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"On Tinder the top 20% of men are competing for the top 78% of women"

GoingToMakeItBrahs

March 18, 2019
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Title "On Tinder the top 20% of men are competing for the top 78% of women"
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GoingToMakeItBrahs

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Date March 18, 2019 5:21 AM UTC
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[–]huhub 134 points135 points136 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I think "On Tinder 100% women are competing for the top 20% of men" should be more accurate.

[–]heeeytherepal 43 points44 points45 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Na G, I feel like right above the ugliest ones are the super self conscious ones. The ones that go for uglier guys that they know they’ll have control over.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

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[–]heeeytherepal 30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Then you got Grindr for the bros 👉🏿😎👉🏿

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

As unrestrained hypergamy reaches it's zenith, you will start to see some incels, who will eventually comprise anywhere from 10-50% of the population, turning to gay sex.

[–]1halfback910 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

As a gay guy I must say I don't buy it. They'll just turn to porn, sex robots, auto-blows, and pocket pussies depending on their income level.

There are SOME people on Grindr (well under 10%) who claim to be straight. Of those people I think, 50% are just struggling to come to terms, 40% are hookers, and maybe 10% are legitimately straight and just want someone to suck their dick. And a lot of those have broken arms.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

How do you explain prison homosexuality then?

[–]1halfback910 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They don't have porn and pocket pussies. Plus I think total isolation from women is different from merely not being able to fuck women. If they weren't different every 35 year old virgin out there would have been fucking guys for years.

Straight guys going gay is a fantasy of the gay community so maybe I'm just being reactionary. But I know I'd never let even a beautiful woman near my dick. I've OCCASIONALLY been stirred by 10/10 bombshell women but not as much as I would have been by a 6/10 guy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. Do you think you could've banged the 10? Or even wanted to?

Out of curiosity, what's your interest in the red pill if you are gay?

[–]1halfback910 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I am a man and I have sex with men and men are being oppressed.

How could I not have interest? There's twice as many men being oppressed when I'm involved!

Edit: Couldn't have banged the ten.

A: She was a literal supermodel.

B: In an entirely different physical location.

Like I said there's very few women I've ever stirred for but it has technically happened.

[–]3chazthundergut[🍰] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No the real dogs and whales are the consolation prize for the bottom 80% of men to compete for

[–][deleted] 347 points348 points349 points 7 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

I love how the 80/20 rule comes up in literally every part of life

[–][deleted] 120 points121 points122 points 7 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

how do I make money off of this though?

[–]Tow1994 127 points128 points129 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Charge women to have sex with you - but charge per lbs/kg body weight.

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A joke, but I guess some guy out there is doing that.

[–]NorthLocation12 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like the guy in Facebook stole 1500 from his date

[–]Duchat 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Roose Bolton figured it out.

[–]Youngyoda89 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Every time I desperately needed money I would have sex with my girlfriend and ask her for 100$. She always said yes. Sometimes gave me more.

[–]WalterEArmstrong 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are women so homely, obese and stinky I'd not boink even if the alternative was begging on the streets.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points63 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Honestly though look it up, if you can find what that 80% if people need you can get rich.

[–]good_guy_submitter69 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

100% of people need food. Am farmer. Am not rich.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Onein1024th2 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

gotta somehow escape selling goods that are commodities.

[–]1halfback910 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think the utility companies are complaining.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Utility companies usually have a monopoly

[–]memphisjohn37 points 7 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Wrong - correct application of Pareto distributions in business means that 20% of customers / prospects will provide 80% of the sales / profits. Don't chase the 80 - instead find the 20 and sell to them.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It applies to other thigs in business as well. For example take a clothing store. 80% of their revenue will come from around 20% of their products.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There it is again! Every part of my life! 80/20 this 20/80 that, it's crazy!

[–]1halfback910 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I guess that just means only go after big customers, then? Don't I want ALL the sales I can get as long as I am making profit off of them? Also each additional sale allows me to capture more economies of scale making every existing sale profitable.

[–]memphisjohn1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

No that's not necessarily what it means. I was just pointing out some interesting discoveries that are often made when examining data with this lens.

I will say that it can be useful for segmenting customers / prospects, one example might be that you discover that since some customers are less profitable than others, you might offer them different services / price points, or, market to them differently.

And no, you don't want all the customers you can get as long as you are making a profit. The trick there is to understand what a profit really means. Many companies understand that it's worthwhile to lose money up front, because you've acquired a customer for the long term. So if you only seek "profitable" customers at the first sale, you might actually be missing out. It all depends on your specifics and how you run the business.

Another school of thought goes roughly along these lines: you want to be the competitor who invest the most per customer / per sale, instead of the least. Reason why is that you can therefore drive other players to the less profitable /leftover customers.

Example: a car service center. Yes, they can do a $40 oil change and technically make a profit. But they would much prefer to do $1200 transmission jobs all day long. Both are "profitable" ... oil changes are a lot easier to sell ... but the transmission jobs, if you can build a reliable system to keep your garage busy, in the long run will make you more money.

[–]1halfback910 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if you only seek "profitable" customers at the first sale, you might actually be missing out. It all depends on your specifics and how you run the business.

I should have said profitable in the long run. I do vendor management and negotiation for a living so I get that companies much bigger than mine can command some very aggressive deals. For instance, if you deal with a car company the negotiation goes something like this:

"Well, because of the knowledge curve your company should get better at producing this stuff every year. So we actually expect your prices to go down 2% every year for the next 5 years."

Another school of thought goes roughly along these lines: you want to be the competitor who invest the most per customer / per sale, instead of the least. Reason why is that you can therefore drive other players to the less profitable /leftover customers.

This is very interesting. I'd not thought of that.

[–]BoringNormalGuy -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Youtube vids are a great example. You only need a few million people to want to watch you and you'll make thousands of dollars. That's not a lot of people when you put it into perspective by percentage.

[–]Blue_Eyed_Brad 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately that's not how Hypergamy works. You can raise that 80% of men, but then you're just creating a new standard. Women will still compete for the top 20%. Just go out and day game it up. There isn't much competition there anymore.

[–]Philosophipster34 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Figure out in which aspect in life you are the 20 %, then capitalise. 'Rich' might be too much, but at least you'll find job satisfaction and have that aspect of your life covered (where your strength lies). Money cannot compensate for or replace personal achievement in that sense, like it can't replace LIFT factor.

Money is usually just a bunch of people saying: I like what you're doing so much that i'm paying for it. So if you can find the intersection of that hypothetical field in which you can be part of that 20 % and what people find interesting, you've got yourself a new goal in life :) A little market research may be required if you want to take the entrepreneurial approach, methinks.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is great advice, for years I failed at building business based on trends.

In Jan I did just this, I decided, fuck it, I’m not going to build the next Facebook but I am well compensated in a competitive field, how can I make a business on this.

I’m balls deep it in now and looking forward to launching in a few weeks.

I’ve never been so optimistic about one of my ideas.

[–]Philosophipster3 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah man, it's like having a mind-baby :D I can imagine it's scary to let go of old constructs and routines 'n such. Probably the hardest part for everyone attempting to throw around the steering wheel, so to speak :)

Either way, good for you man! Hope it works out well beyond your expectations!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup also part of it was I hate my job so much, I have nothing to loose!

[–]2mental_models 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

supply the winners and supply the losers.

I was going to answer your post in detail, but I came up with too many really good ideas to share publicly.

good luck

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]hbPUA 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is literally a book called, 80/20 sales and marketing.

Check it out to get started.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Pareto principle is the name and it was discovered long time ago, and it is present in almost all sciences, sports too

[–]Herdsengineers 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Pareto Principal is even brought up in the Bible in Jesus's parables. It's been a recognized phenomenon for a very long time!

[–]marlowe101 209 points210 points211 points 7 years ago (49 children) | Copy Link

Not surprising at all. It's a reflection of hypergamy.

If you want to grow as a man, stop using tinder. Work on your real life game skills. Even if you get rejected by 5 women in 10 min. then that experience alone is better than having 10 matches a week.

[–]Zech4riah 101 points102 points103 points 7 years ago (41 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but every (high value) man should try tinder at least once just to see the brutal reality of online dating which gives you a nice boost to approach IRL.

It really surprises you when average girls, who would never reject you IRL, rejects you at tinder which happens a lot.

I use tinder rejections as a fuel for my irl cold approach. I think: "There is a hot girl, it would be almost impossible to get her out from tinder but here you can meet her right away".

[–]mrp_awakening 55 points56 points57 points 7 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

A high value man (by looks) wont see a brutal experience. They'll be part of the 20% that all women are fighting for.

[–]Zech4riah 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, maybe I should have used wording "humbling experience".

[–]FederalAnxiety 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Imo you have to be top 2% to really have your pick on Tinder, at least without boosting. I've checked Tinder from the women's perspective in my area, I'm solidly in the top 10%. If I use a fake picture of a jacked model, I get literally 10x the matches. Girls are so fucking picky online you wouldn't believe it

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn’t be using tinder anyways. Only trash girls there now.

[–]FederalAnxiety 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A few years ago it used to be great. I used to get lots of high quality matches even with shitty pictures. Now days unless you're 10/10, it's pay to play, and 99% of the women are trashy sluts. Tinder seems to be degenerating into its final hoe market form.

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Bumble is a fair bit better, but they've just introduced a boost feature too, so that too will be pay to play from this point on.

[–]Praeda18 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. From 2014-2017 Tinder was brilliant, averaging around 200 matches p/month being picky. Good photos showing muscles, tattoos, motorbike, friends, hobbies etc. Girls were receptive, keen to chat and meet, but most importantly the girls were of above-average quality at best. As of late 2017, down to about 70-90 matches a month, girls are much less receptive & expect to be entertained with pick-up lines and worshipped. 5’s, 6’s & 7’s acting like 10’s. Better photos, uggos asking for a ride on the moto or looking for a “temp bf for social events” without offering anything in return (really easy way to make a quick $100 if you’re a chad btw). Also the girls who hit you up, coming out of the gate with openers such as “other than being dreamy, what else do you do?”. Similar to how women have to deal with loser men hitting them up on the reg, 20%’ers have to deal with the plethora of loser women. It’s unnerving being out with a woman and having other girls glare at you and/or your date, or men mate-guarding their missos and being overall dickheads because you’re perceived as being a threat. People in general were much friendlier and easy-going when i was a skinny teenager with clean skin. No issues with the quality/caliber of chicks on the app so long as you have realistic expectations with what you’re dealing with. You’re not going to find da wun & only on an online dating (hook-up) app. Tinder isn’t degenerating, the supply of cooch on the market is at an all time high but smart investors have already cashed out..so now we have a surplus of pussy that wants to be lead & told what to do, whilst at the same time resenting 80% of men for being weak. Even attempting to train up a 7 or 8 as LTR material is a fools game at this point.

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're complaining at 70-90 matches a month? hahahaha that must be a joke/troll, right? Most guys are lucky to get above 0 matches. I got 2 matches right at the beginning (who didn't reply to my opening message), now I've had 0 matches for months now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hinge is the best in my experience. I match with 95% of the girls I swipe right on and I’m selective.

Tinder is mostly hoes and street rats. I right swipe maybe 1 in 30 girls there. And it’s all pay to play if you’re a guy due to numbers

[–]FederalAnxiety 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never heard of it. Thanks, I'll check it out.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K18 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Wanna have well done photos, too. My photos get 8.5 to 9.4 on Photofeeler, but because they are lazy selfies, I struggle on Tinder. I really can't be bothered making better placed photos just for on-line dating.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 27 points28 points29 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Photofeeler is useless. You're mainly being graded by ugly fat women. I've had photos all get 97%+ that led to no matches on Tinder.

Photos that get matches will not score well on Photofeeler, because one element not graded on Photofeeler is emotion. Do your pictures cause any emotional reaction? They have to, to get matches

[–]good_guy_submitter29 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I posted a pic of me in a Trump hat on tinder for fun . Had a lot of liberal girls that wanted to "hatefuck" me.

[–]evilassaultweapon 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You mean change their mind in the morning?

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[–]evilassaultweapon 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, that's one way to do it. As for the Tinder girls, really? Multiple girls saying they want to fuck you because they hate Trump? I'm having trouble visualizing how their messages would read. It's like a damned cartoon lol.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do your pictures cause any emotional reaction? They have to, to get matches

This has been very true for me. This girl I'm dating showed me what her Bumble page looks like. We could scroll endlessly through guys that have already swiped right on her. While we were scrolling, she would click into profiles only when someone caught her attention. She scrolled past dozens of guys that I thought she surely would've wanted to take a closer look at. First, it showed me how important the 1st profile pic truly is. Second, when talking about why she looked at my profile, it basically came down to the expression on my face that she found intriguing because it was difficult for her to read. In other words, maybe I barely exceeded her threshold of looks, and then it was basically sheer luck that she even clicked into my profile in the first place.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K18 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I get what you're saying and agree. I honestly can't be fucked giving a shit, though. Anything I would do to make my photos better would totally just be for validation or attention. I can't think of a single reason why it would be for me, if I'm honest about my motivation with myself.

Looking good and dressing well in real life is for me, so I can do that.

[–]thisiswhyicant 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The key is to take some stupid ass pictures. The majority of guys have the same pictures. Do something different to standout and you’ll see a huge increase in matches. Worked for me

[–]mrp_awakening 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's the same as peacocking. Show you're different and not afraid of social judgement.

[–]thisiswhyicant 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s the word I’ve been looking for. I totally forgot the term, thanks!

My first picture is me wearing daisy dukes and leaving over the fender of my blazer looking back at the camera and that reels in most chicks. Second pic is me sitting on my 80 z28 in American flag weight lifting pants. My other pictures suck, but those two are enough. I ain’t even all that pretty to tell the truth, but I’ve had no trouble getting 8-9s and they always say it’s because of the pictures. Hook them with the pics, them hit them with the BDE. I shouldn’t have had as much success as I’ve gotten but that’s fine with me

[–]INNASKILLZ2K18 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I agree with you guys. Have to stand out. I replied with the same a little below this, but I just can't be fucked making photos that stand out. If I search myself, the only reason would be for approval and validation. I'm just not motivated to do it for ME, and that's what matters.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's definitely the top 5% of men on tinder that get all of the matches and interest. I'm over a 9 on hot or not, and I match with less than 1/20 women on tinder.

The fact is, women will reject 1,000 perfectly decent and good looking men, if they feel they have a chance of getting Chad to commit.

[–]mrp_awakening 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So is the study OP linked flawed? The study confirmed it was ~20%. Hate to break it to you man, but you're likely under that threshold. You got some work to do.

Haven't used tinder myself (married... yeah I know), but the other day I threw some pictures of me up on one of the male equivalents of gonewild just for shits and giggles. The picture was fully clothed, but the shirt was tight/revealing. In an hour or so I had a ton of inbox replies. Women trying to sext. Women sending nudes. Etc... It's eye opening to see how aggressive women can be when they find you attractive. The other interesting observation was how discreet they'll be even when already anonymous. Almost all replies were PM's... very few comments. Even from obvious throwaway accounts which had no comment/post history (but were 5 yrs old). Women were writing long detailed sexts, and all it took to keep it going was short 4-5 word replies. It was all just straight up confirmation of red pill truths.

For reference though, I'm 5'10", 178 lbs, 10% BF. It's not uncommon for me to catch women staring at me during the day or trying to flirt with me unprovoked.

[–]Well_hung_Yakuza 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Provided that you are above average looking, fun photos and photos that project social status are always < professional photos.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless that high value man is in the top 20% of the top 20%, then he is competing with only the bottom 20% of that 80% of women. I've had plenty of success on Tinder and other dating apps (and most likely not in the top 20% of the top 20%), but I could still see the reality of the comment above yours in my experience.

[–]Philhelm 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that the issue is that since there is such a higher male to female ratio online than in reality, even the top 20% men will find themselves to be a lesser option to the woman when online, due to numerical competition.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. In that boat myself and dating apps are an ego stroke for me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tinder is easymode. Im not the most interesting, or in shape guy but i slay on tinder.

Its mostly p2p, and i havent bought recently so im not having as many matches.

[–]Opioidus 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have never tried this cuckery and I will never, ever do. My game is 90% charm, none of which I can demonstrate online. I would rather go to the shittiest towns for pick up in the world like Toronto or DC. When you can look a woman in the eyes and tell her stories of your adventures and tease her, that's game for you.

[–]TheRedLadle 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It really surprises you when average girls, who would never reject you IRL, rejects you at tinder which happens a lot.

For me it went the other way - after having relied on tinder for years, once I actually started going out and speaking to girls, it amazed me how receptive women were to me, especially ones I would have thought out of my league based on my tinder experience.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Are they giving you their numbers, going on dates with you, and having sex with you? Women will act friendly with people who strike up conversations with them in real life, just out of politeness. It's another thing to actually get them to fuck you. Something you probably haven't done with any of these women, let's face it.

[–]TheRedLadle 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Something you probably haven't done with any of these women, let's face it.

Are you that insecure that you can't accept some random stranger on the internet who you know absolutely nothing about might be more successful with women than you?

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you had sex with these women (or at least kissed them), fair play to you. But there's too many armchair alphas around these parts, so I'm doubtful. And you worded it in such a way that makes it ambiguous: "amazed me how receptive women were to me" that could mean anything. It could mean they fucked you, it could just mean they had a friendly conversation with you, with no possibility of ever wanting to fuck you.

[–]TheRedLadle 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not pretending I started talking to women and am now getting laid 3+ times a week. I'm far from alpha, but aiming/hoping to get there. I've had a few lays and a few more make outs from going out and talking to girls but am miles behind a lot of people on here.

I'll admit, I think a lot of the success I've experienced has been from putting myself in the right place at the right time, plus I'm Irish and live in England so I've an accent which definitely helps. The accent is something that doesn't really come across on Tinder.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao If you’re being rejected on dating apps then sorry bud you ain’t high value. I use dating apps as a way to jerk off to myself. It’s a self esteem boost - not the other way around

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never used tinder. I don't mind real life rejection. You just gotta get one.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Someone successful at Tinder would not be saying to stop using it

Just saying

[–]MrBougus2 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They most likely don't really post about it on any kind of forum or subreddit either. . .

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There'd be no need to (unless they are legends like OmLaLa)

[–]CollaterLDamage 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if your looking for alternate avenues of sex, theres no reason not too. if you are putting high effort into anything but the initial profile, go outside. unless youre ugly, you have no reason to limit yourself

[–]Thotasaurus_Rex 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've managed to get my profile into the top 5% of male profiles based on match rate. Why would I not use tinder when it's a constant and unending stream of pussy?

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[–]1empatheticapathetic 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cmon bro, pick your battles. This one ain’t it.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 76 points77 points78 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The author of this tweet has a BS in computer science from Stanford and, as you'd expect of someone with that degree and two X chromosomes, tech companies are falling over themselves for a competent diversity hire. So, she's set for life. She's currently a project manager at GitHub, which is quite an achievement at two years out of school with an undergrad degree - I've personally never met a PM that didn't have a master's degree or at least 10 years experience.

So, this person is intelligent, competent, and has the right identity. She is connected and already influential in the tech community. This is the kind of person who, if you criticize her, your career will be ruined.

...and she's just dropped a red pill on her twenty thousand followers. A red pill which, if a man had revealed it, would have resulted in significant social consequences - I'm serious, if a male employee of github was talking about the 80/20 rule, he'd probably be fired from github for "creating an unsafe environment."

The point I'm getting to is, I'd bet that most of her followers are beta "tech bros" and male feminists. They're primed to white knight if anyone else drops a red pill. I imagine they're confused as hell over how they're supposed to react when she drops one on them. lol

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No doubt a diversity hire, and likely a casting couch hire too.

These male feminist SJW hiring managers love to violate their own principles when it suits them, like most SJWs.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

tut tut. That's how they get added to the list (tl;dw a list of male feminists who have been accused of rape/harassment - starts at 9:21)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the entire SJW class bro. I know plenty of woman feminists (in fact fucked one this weekend) who do the exact opposite of practice what they preach when it comes to what they want in a man

[–]anothdae7 points 7 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I've personally never met a PM that didn't have a master's degree or at least 10 years experience.

Then maybe you should think that she didn't actually earn it.

[–]memefucka 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am an asian male product manager with less than 2y of experience, so I disagree with OP's anecdotal experience. I know this is TRP, but judging from her accomplishments and activities (from her personal website), I think she likely got her jobs mostly from merit. That said, I'm sure being a young attractive female never hurt her odds.

[–]Thinkingard 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. I was looking through her twitter posts and I could not help but think they are meant to make her look smart with an exciting variety of interests. It also felt like a sham. It's a veneer, a sheen, of looking like you are something you are most likely definitely not if you strip away the layers. It's no wonder, though, as many women, this one in particular, looks almost masculine and has the phizz Chateau Heartiste would warn you to stay away from. If she weren't able to artificially boost her SMV by a point (probably only one, tbh) with heavy makeup and manipulation of her hair she would be an absolute dog on the streets and in the sheets. Who would want those thin lips and big teeth caressing their knob while looking deeply into those small eyes and beetlebrows?

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The more I step away from the internet and focus on my mission the less patience I have for the artificial smartness of so many people. I don't care about your 120 IQ interests, artwork, pictures, deep thought quotes, science experiments, or articles. Does anyone else find the things smart women are interested in a big yawn? It's not just how awful the tyranny of the petticoat can get with a smart girl, but the things smart girls are drawn toward never seem appealing. Maybe there is something in dumb hot girls that is more appealing for a reason. Not only do they not bore you and infuriate you with stupid things, but they are mentally moldable to the man with a mission. Men can get their intellectual satisfaction through other men and books instead. Now that I think of it, I don't have any intellectual heroes who are women. The best of literature written by women lacks something I find in men's literature. Is this because the western woman is broken? Has the internet revealed too much of the inane thinking of the majority of people? Social media doesn't have editors in the way old newspapers and magazines and publishers did, so now all the trash those places rejected and sifted is out in the open for all to see. Vox Day pointed out long ago that a problem with midwits (not too dumb, not smart enough) is a desire to be seen as very smart, but then lacking the real mental firepower necessary to actually be smart. This woman's twitter is an example of that being played out in real life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The medium is the message. The fact that she gets to say something redpilled and get away with it is a redpilled truth in itself. She's wielding the equivalent power of a dictator or a cult leader.

There's gonna be more women like her in positions of power and leadership. Not even a high SMV male will escape unscathed if he commits a fuck up like violating the "don't shit where you eat" rule or challenges these female bosses in some other way. Learning about powertalk and the 48 Laws of Power is a must in this new workplace.

[–]BlindingTwilight59 points 7 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Great to see statistical confirmation of everything we already knew. If you want to get laid on Tinder then you had better be in the top 20%. If you are not in the top 20% you need to consider other tactics. Of course you lift, dress well etc but that will not get every guy into the top 20%. If you are short and you have bad genes then game is your best tool. If your game is very tight then you will be able to get laid with hot women. So how do you game if you are not in the top 20%? Numbers, you approach like a motherfucker. You learn tight game, you improve your status through your social ranking or your lifestyle. Go forth and slay

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points47 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Keep in mind this is only for MATCHES. Even a lot of these will be no responses, one word replies, ghosts, girl just looking for attention etc.

Realistically you probably need to be in the top 5% on tinder to be regularly meeting girls

[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe even higher than that in all actuality. Look at the comparisons of response rates on OK Cupid. The top 10% of guys still only got the kind of attention average rated women got. You've really got to get up in to that top sliver of male attractiveness to get the kind of attention "good looking" women in the 7-8 range get.

No man on earth will ever get the kind of attention women who are true 9s and 10s get. And yes that includes your Brad Pitts and Leo DiCaprios. It just doesn't happen. They may have any woman they want, but in terms of response rates on the likes of Tinder... nope.

[–]unn4med 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How will they get any woman they want while still not having a high response rate at the same time?

[–]I_am_Groot69 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I don't use tinder can some one tell me does tinder have pay to win feature?

Like as a male you get matched more if you pay money?

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[–]SpiritStatic 87 points88 points89 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No "Pay to Win" — but you can get these in-app credits called "Super Likes" that basically bonk a girl over the head with an alert that you like her, so she can skip swiping through the stack of schmoes and decide whether she'll raise the gate for you or not.

You get 1 per day..but Tinder definitely incentives you to spend $4.99 at a time to get 5 a pop. It can add up real quick. You'll get suckered in, thinking, "Oh I really want to match with this girl, and she'll never see me because the pool is so saturated...!"

On the one hand, it increases your visibility, and when I was an active user I got quite a few acceptances to my Super Likes and dates that came out of it.

On the other hand, it inadvertently reeks of thirst...even if there is a logical reason why you have to do it to get VIEWED, it still can come across as needy or even desperate to certain women.

All in all, I left Tinder because I really felt like they had a powerful algorithm that was making massive profit off of the pitiful optimism of men...and that the swiping functionality was kind of ruined the moment that the user base exploded the way it did. Seeing 1 profile at a time is just a slow process.

Tinder is kind of like a grab bag, it can be fun to see what you're going to get. You might get something "good" or you might get nothing at all.

The trouble is when you start spending a lot of cash on grab bags or you notice that you have a bit of a gambling problem and are spending a lot of time at the "Casino" if you follow my metaphor.

I was an early adopter to Tinder, dating back to its first year. Before all of the TRP'ers put their guides together and whatnot. I was super bluepilled when I started, but it was actually TRP that shifted my mindset into wanting to leave.

I learned a lot and had a lot of fun. It's a fine supplement to your game, but I do not consider it to be a valid a substitute for it.

That was probably more information than you bargained for.

[–]I_am_Groot69 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for taking the time to write all these info, I would have give gold but sub does not allow.

I expected more from tinder, seems they are using all the psy tricks just to make short term cash like mobile games. Time to research how tinder was founded.

[–]SpiritStatic 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow thank you. And I'm glad you found some value in all the information — I had a long history with Tinder and all of the swiping apps, so I like being able to share my experience and have it benefit anyone else in some way.

That's kind of the thing though; Tinder didn't start off like that. But you are absolutely right to compare it to a mobile game, many of the same psychological tricks are indeed part of the experience. In marketing-speak we call it "gamification" which is kind of a goofy word, but you get the idea.

They've turned it into a game that strings you along in order to keep engagements higher. Tinder really started changing for me when I realized how many advertisements the free version had. Basically forced you to pay for Tinder Plus, at least. Many use Tinder Gold because there's a conspiracy that you're basically invisible without it.

Tinder only wants to give you a little reward here and there — just long enough to keep you in the game.

And the "Swipe in another city" feature? Very clever way to keep people swiping even after they've exhausted everyone in their zip and got that "Nobody is around you" message... with swiping in another city, you can get an even higher SCORE. Think of all the matches you could get over in Miami or Dallas...will it come to any fruition? Maybe..maybe not... that's the game Tinder wants you to play, and it's making them actually billionaires — valued at $3Billion on its own.

[–]u-r-silly 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

95% of my matches were Super Likes. For some people there really is a benefit of having the women open up and read your description. But that's also because I targeted the ones who are likely to do this and like back. All the dates that came out of it were quality moment.

That said, it might be because the demography of the userbase isn't the same everywhere in the world.

[–]300C 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I was using Tinder, almost every girl I met up with was from a super like.

[–]BigMadLad 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have more information for you:

  1. You can get "Tinder Gold", which is unlimited amount of likes and you can see who liked you. Super expensive (30 dollars for 1 month), but it helps clear out old matches that you know are there. Tinder does let you know how many people like you, just not who, so you'll see a gold circle in the top right of how many like you. This relates to a main issue of use, which is mentioned at the bottom of the list
  2. You get a game of "super liked", which is basically a free super like you can give to one of 4 profiles they think you like the most/the algorithm determines is most likely the ones you go for. Idea is that you get a free one so you can use it. Happens every 24 hours or so (more of this can be obtained through Tinder Gold)
  3. There is also the "Top Picks" section, which is a similar idea to the super liked game but more profiles and its not super likes but regular likes. You cant say no to any of them, its just another way to provide input to the algorithm what you like. (more of this can be obtained through Tinder Gold)
  4. Replacing that is "Tinder U", where if you input a college email it will auto-sort people from that university to be in your feed. I am unclear as to if Tinder U users do not show up on regular tinder, but I think its just another way to get categorized.

The problem alluded to above is that men use tinder constantly where as many women use it very sparingly when they lack attention as sort of a free confidence boost. A good example is that I liked a girl a while back (3+ months) during winter break who goes to NDST, but is from California. She just swiped right on me now (presumably because she is feeling lonely in ND), but there is nothing I can do as she is 1500 + miles away. If only she used it normally

[–]Zexxify 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I used tinder for a couple of months back in 2016. Two girls added me on instagram months later saying they found me on tinder and that they just matched up with me, so yeah most of the girls use it that way in my opinion

[–]Lithium- 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but you can abuse it.

Basically, if you pay for one month, it bumps your 'tinder ELO' and puts you more to the front of the queue.

A mate of mine did this, and noticed he had a lot more hits. After he did that, he cancelled the payment feature and it seems to stick for a while.

[–]I_am_Groot69 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks man,
Not sure how complicated tinder's algorithm are but there are no incentive for tinder to make it a fair game then.
I mean, the man are paying the bucks.

[–]1SalporinRP 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The entire app is now designed to get you to pay for gold. Gone are the days when you could swipe right and get 20-30 matches a day with dtf girls.

I've moved onto Hinge now. Much much better.

[–]I_am_Groot69 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

most tech companies work like this now.
free to play -> get a bunch of users -> pay to win -> profit

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think Tinder gold is worth it for the ability to see who liked you, and boosting helps, but overall no you don't have to pay to win

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[–]AwakenedSovereign 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how much game awareness amongst women is contributing to this, because it's true.

Most of my pulls don't come off approaches or sets. They come off of me bouncing around social environments, having fun with my friends, and ignoring bitches until one puts herself in the pocket for a pickup.

[–]omega_dawg93 29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

the classic, "intro/ignore" has always worked for me.

show up smiling, introduce myself to the fellas... kinda smile/wave at the ladies present, then ignore the ladies while having fun with the fellas watching the games, etc.

you'll notice that amongst a sea of thirsty, try-hard guys, ignoring them makes you stand out.

if none of the ladies throw choosing signals, fuck it... you're having a good time anyway.

[–]AwakenedSovereign 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup.

I went to a bar having a D&D event a couple months back. The game-runners (DMs) would go up and talk to everyone to try and get them into their game.

I noticed this one redhead by the bar, talking to some nerd. I walked to and said "hi". She says hi back, asks me if I'm a DM trying to snipe her for a game.

I just smile and say "nope". Shoot her down with some finger gun action and walk away. Go back to talking to random and my friends.

She ends up walking away from the people she was talking to 5-10 min later, drops her drink, purse and jacket on the barstool next to mine. Closed it.

[–]omega_dawg93 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that's how it's done dude.

women like a challenge too, and even tho they want us to pursue, we can't come off as desperate.

my crazy uncle would always say: "the easiest way to get a woman is to act like you don't want her."

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Top comment in Twitter Thread:

These are just the facts of life

Which one of you shitlords posted that?

[–]jonpe87 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Last week I matched with a girl

(I'm good looking, my new account has 400+ matchs and 99+ people that liked me but I can't see

I can have like 20+ matchs in a new account in the first day

My bio is like this: 31yo, 5,11.. 1 billion matchs and no interesting girls)

Than this pretty FACE girl messages me, I go to see the photos of that pretty face: Fat, a lot of tattoos, even with all that makeup and photoshop she was at best a 5. The first photo had so much alteration that didnt look like her at all. She send me the follow message: Wow, 1 billion of matchs! I have only 16XX ... this 5 whale had 1600+ matchs... I cant even imagine how delusional the standarts of those girls are, they all think they are 10ns.. I wouldn't fuck this girl even if she paid me

[–]2kez88 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

probably what every hot chick on tinder thinks when you try start a convo with them

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[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gold is absolutely worth it for the ability to see who has already liked you.

It allows you to not have to swipe(which men can't help from doing and risks you getting sent to the spam queue) and allows you to get the ball rolling on your schedule, and timing is everything

[–]Jabbermouth 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that Gold is worth it if you’re a top 20% man or at least working to get there. However, if you are super cheap or a broke college student like me, then use the Budget Tinder Gold Strategy™️ - When you see the 10+ or 25+ indicator for tinder gold, go to your settings and put your radius down to 1 mi and then start swiping. Every profile farther than a mile has swiped right on you and will be a guaranteed match.

[–]Aggressive_Beta 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I paid to use Okcupid premium for a month because it gave me access to advanced filtering features. I could tell it to only show me women who answered specific questions a certain way.

For example I’d have it only show girls who gave red flag answers to certain important questions, then I’d automatically hide all of the results. Women who admitted to having more than 14 sex partners? Automatic hide. Admitting to having an STD? Automatic hide. Etc.

This narrowed down my search results significantly. Out of the women that were left who still met all of my basic filtering criteria (age, height, distance, etc), I just indiscriminately messaged all of them. Any time one would respond, I’d manually comb through her profile looking for red flags. If I couldn’t find any then I’d respond to her.

Point is that $10 or whatever saved me way more than $10 worth of my time, and it worked. It’s a combination of process of elimination and then the numbers game.

[–]NikolaGeorgiev 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I would say it's 20% IRL and 5% in Tinder.

[–]Zech4riah 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Those numbers IRL are kind of irrelevant because you can have such a great impact by only having a good game.

But with tinder, I kind of agree with you. Or I would twist numbers a bit more to like. Top 5-10% of men go for top 60% of women. Because the bottom 40% of women are invisible for top 5-10% men.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

you can have such a great impact by only having a good game

This is true. Being confident, or even just being funny, goes a long way in real life, but it's difficult to advertise those qualities online.

[–]NikolaGeorgiev 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say on Tinder it's only looks and money. So if you are not great with those - tough luck.
Btw, it was not like that 5 years ago.

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, having "Game" is dead, it doesnt exist no more. Girls dont give a SHIT about ur game no more, cause game is basicly getting the girl to chasing ur validation. Guess what? She dont need your validation no more cause she got THOUSANDS of BETTER LOOKING and higher status men to choose from, in her pocket.

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The red pill is blue pill these days, u guys havent yet accepted that its fucking over for 95% of men, game or not.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering your message history. I think you have some issues. Get some help m8.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tinder is broken because so many guys pay to play to speak. If you’re even top 20% no one sees your profile

[–]adminsaregayniggers 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, but only because the top 5% in tinder is only equivalent to top 20% IRL (high value men don't use it)

[–]Terdmuffin 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow it's almost like the whole 80/20 thing has some merit.

[–]TechRedRaider88 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Cuz it reverses when people are in there 30’s & 40’s, this article is great example:

https://www.capebretonpost.com/news/local/speed-dating-event-in-membertou-cancelled-due-to-lack-of-men-283597/

[–]RightHandWolf 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good find! The interesting thing from the article is that the wall is also confirmed. All of the stats were heavily skewed towards the female participation, with women outnumbering men almost 5:1 in the over 30 bracket and 8:1 in the senior age group. In the 19-30 age bracket, 8 men signed up for the event, but 0 females. This would make an interesting study if those men could be tracked over the next 10 years. How many would take the red pill? How many would go MGTOW? How many would decide to go the foreign outsourcing route since the species Americanus Cuddlebunnus have priced themselves out of the market?

[–]PS2Errol 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would any men sign up to potentially date women age 35-40?

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why not? They're women at the end of the day, as long as you avoid committing to some big ass relationship or marriage, it's all good.

In the real world, 35-40 women do not look that much different to women in their 20's. Their priorities for a man changes, but that's more or less it.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This why you have to hit it hard in real life, nature intended certain advantages for men in reality to offset unhinged hypergamy. This swipe/like/comment picture shit is rigged for women in a big way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed but you can hit it hard and still fail, you do however, have to try to have a chance.

I think this is why women like testosterone, because more risks means more chances for success. And why they walk away the moment you fail.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is why I deleted my dating apps. It's pointless. Real life is wear it's at people. Wake the fuck up. I get a lot of eye-contact and approach signals when I go out and these girls are gorgeous. I paid for Tinder Gold and got matched with fucking bots. Luckily it was only 1 month. This made me feel like shit but later that day I went out and dressed with style and got noticed by 8 girls who where all pretty. 1 flirted with and was throwing me signals. I know my own fucking value and I don't need Tinder's fucking swipe right validation These fuckers should get sued for manipulating men into paying for there god damn piece of shit app. By the way I have evidence on my phone. Women do not base shit on looks like we do. They base shit of sub communication. Looks and style do play a little role but not that much. We men are visual. That's why Tinder works for us and not Women. Once you been in Game for about a year you will understand this concept and how attraction really works. Sorry if I piss anyone off. This is the fucking truth.

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop the blue pill nonsense lol, "Game" is so fucking dead, women dont give a SHIT about your "muh subcommunication", she literally got MODEL LOOKNG CHADS in her PHONE to choose from whenever she wants dick.

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U guys better catch up with time and stop this fucking "game" coping.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I am a CHAD and never new it. I never knew about eye-contact at what it meant because people kept on suppressing me. I get eye-contact a lot now to the point where I don't even have to try. I guess I am then shit. Sorry for the Game BS. Maybe we should just stick with flirting for now on lol.

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Do not use Tinder, stop feeding the vapid head cases and shining their egos even further.

Rent a hot escort and get on with your week, that is how you disrupt this game.

[–]WhiteGhosts 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

need $$$ to do that fam

most of us are poor

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Less expensive than wining and dining whores in the chance they sleep with you.

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's called negotiated desire. Fucking you because you paid for her, not because she actually wants to fuck you. No man wants that, although most men have to put up with it because they are average looking betas.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's all negotiated desire, you think you or anyone is on a forum for mens strategy for how to fuck a women are getting it (if any) from non negotiated desire? If it wasn't women would BE APPROACHING US and we wouldn't have do to the clown act and jump through 10 hoops all for her to swipe left and leave us in the corner.

You are paying for women with your time and money and getting strung along anyway, might as well flip the game and stop feeding their egos, fuck a escort, be done and get on with your mission.

Every man here is an average looking beta, the alphas are fucking all the 7-10's right now.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well many people on this forum sure do talk like they're getting non negotiated desire regularly. Although I suspect it's just a bunch of armchair alphas.

[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's kind of sad that the ones who get the most pussy, don't actually give out their secrets. So it becomes one big circle jerk of guys who are getting little/no pussy sharing their ideas with each other and keeping everyone in a perpetual state of being unsuccessful with women.

[–]ThrowFader 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]TechRedRaider88 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Eh wait 10 years - Then the numbers will have switched

[–]fistinggirls4free 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Why do you say this? Genuinely curious

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Because women hit the wall. Their smv goes down while men's either stays the same or increases. Now the ball is in your court.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Yep, that is IF you take care of yourself. But women in their 30s have no power - none - in the dating market. It’s great to experience

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well hopefully it's a given that men looks after themselves in their 30's+ since they're already reading this sub.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely. But a loser in his 20s will be a loser in his 30s if they don’t make changes. Good news is your competition gets worse in terms of looks as you age

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say "looks" is what declines. Like obviously they do but it's more of a lifestyle decline which leads to the decrease of looks. ie instead of hitting the gym and having active hobbies, you now spend the majority of your days drinking beer and watching sport on tv.

[–]Angry_runt1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Fake news. https://incels.is/threads/women-hit-the-wall-at-40-bro-is-the-biggest-cope-ever-mgtowcels-gtfih.74693/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Get off weird incel boards and get dating experience

[–]wastedlifez -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hahah what? Women in their 30s have THOUSANDS of matches for fuck sake. I just talked to a girl who was 42 and had 1600 matches in 3 weeks on tinder.

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Do u understand that? Women dont "hit the wall", thats a fucking coping red pill myth and its NOT TRUE at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh it's you again. Clearly you dont have dating experience if you havent seen the dynamic change.

[–]adminsaregayniggers 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

because the top 20% of 30+ men sure as shit aren't competing for 30+ women lmao

[–]wastedlifez -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

U gotta be fucking kidding me, right? I made a fake tinder account with a 38 year old woman, within 2 days I had 700 matches.

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Do u understand that? Women do NOT hit the wall, their sexual value is higher than guys all life for fuck sake.

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Its insane how much u "red pillers" actually blue pill urself, jesus christ.

[–]Mangasbzo7 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There was a more rigorous study of this posted on here a few months back. They found 60% of women were fucking the top 20% of men.

Then when you extrapolate that proportion to the wider population it works out as the top 50% of men are fucking all the women, in other words the bottom 50% of men consistently have nothing but their dicks in their hands

[–]PerfectNemesis 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Competing? More like taking turns with the top 78% of women.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Online dating is for waste cadets.

I'd rather just speak to a women that seems interesting on the street if I am in the mood lol.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Spoken like someone who is a total failure at Tinder and Bumble

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not my fault you're too insecure to approach women. You sound like the failure G

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But you just admitted that you are the failure.

[–]ScribeThoth 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A lot of younger men don’t know, but your desirability also peaks at around age 45.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/online-dating-out-of-your-league/567083/

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh no, not for actually fucking hot young women LOL

[–]ScribeThoth 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They especially want men with a wallet.

[–]CaptainBW2 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Tinder is the “attention/validation” real life video game for women. For every 10 matches with chicks you actually wanna fuck, 1-2 will be genuinely easy sluttygirlz. I have mixed feelings about the whole thing. I think every man should try it out at least for the purpose of viewing the current landscape. It’s almost enlightening. They’re pretty much the same entity that’s been copied and pasted over and over in different bodies, and then the hypergamy algorithm runs on top of that. AWALT.

[–]RightHandWolf 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought there were only 12 Cylon models . . .

[–]tchower 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks like woman believe in inequality more than men naturally. Another reason why feminism is stupid. Lol

[–]TechRedRaider88 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Great summary, that’s for that. And yes, essentially the article is a case study that reveals how men chase women when they’re in their 20’s, but when women get into their 30’s or 40’s their SMV drops drastically & they become increasingly desperate; hence way so many women signed up for the older age bracket event

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They only chase beta men in their 30's/40's for their money + stability, not because they actually find the man attractive. Beta men think they've finally hit the jackpot after all those years, but it's actually because she's settling after not being able to lock down an alpha, not because she actually likes you. Have you not heard anything Rollo Tomassi says on this subject? Clearly not.

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, red pillers cope so fucking much, they think that they will "Get all the women when they hit 40!", NO, they just get a few gold digging women who have been fucked and used up by Chad for 20 years LOL

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It is misleading to say a man's SMV peak is in his late 30's. Yeah, but only because women view you as a provider because you make more money in your career.

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No they dont, their standards increase in their 30s and 40s.

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You guys are so fucking blue pilled, I talked to a 42 year old yesterday, she had 1600 matches in 3 week, do u understand that? TONS of HOT YOUNG CHADS who wanted to fuck her.

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Females dont hit the wall, never.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

1600 matches in 3 week

She's a wet hole accepting semen deposits. No one is saying that an old wet hole won't get used for depositing semen. The Wall doesn't close vaginal openings. It closes opportunities. None of these human fuck toys are going to get what they want--commitment from Chad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you’re a guy and reading this then this is GOOD news for you. It means there’s more reward at the top. You think you want to bust your ass to be top 10% only to have a few women to choose from?

Fuck no, strive to be the best. And any man short of disfiguration can be top 20%. Hit the gym, lift, dress well, find a cool hobby, you’re there. And let me tell you - it’s worth it.

Your competition is weak. Work on yourself and you’ll be glad that women only go for 20% of men

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So true, this is why all tolerate the bullshit. For a chance to get to the top!

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, any man can NOT be in the 20% LOL, it is 100% based on facial structure which is GENETIC.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cope and absolutely pathetic. I went from being a kissless virgin dweeb to being the guy that women come up to at bars to ask out and having hundreds of matches on any dating app at a time. Yea I'm tall but my face overall is average.

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Getting built from lifting and diet, being witty, and having cool interests that you show on your profile will carry you the distance.

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But keep on keeping on with that loser mentality

[–]hardly_incognito 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've had moderate success with Tinder, but here's the catch:

Don't give a fuck about Tinder.

It's a dating app. I'd say I have a high SMV (fit, good looks, high paying job) and I get ignored by most of my matches with my first message.

Again, it's the internet. You have to completely detach from it. I do my 5 super likes every other day then forget about it.

If you're a guy looking to get laid. Go lift. Then focus on improving weak aspects of your life, and most importantly - approach. It never gets "easy", I'm no approach guru. But I've had my best experiences with women on the fly, heart pounding, just walking up to them and blabbing some shit.

Tinder has to be something you do on the side, like fucking candy crush. Put some time into getting a handful of good pics, write a simple af bio, then give it no more than 5 mins of your life daily.

PM me and I'll link a highly up-voted guide I got from this subreddit. After you've laid the foundation, if you're working on yourself, living life, etc. Just accumulate some pictures and slowly rotate them in to better fill-out your profile.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

+1. Great advice, Tinder is absolutely shit nowadays. I used to get way more matches but barely match with girls nowadays. The best way is to use it as supplementation

[–]whattodotrp 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had checked the replies on the feed and was disappointed to see only one person mentioned hypergamy or 80/20 rule...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The top 20% of men on tinder are not competing for anything. They are enjoying the plethora of pussy throwing itself at them. I’m 99% of them are not looking for a relationship out of it so there is no competition at all, they are just passing around a bunch of delusional thots Who think that their ugly asses deserve a 10/10 man with a six-figure salary and a 12 inch cock.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A little advice about tinder, even if you are top 20% you're still hamstringing yourself. I don't know if this bitch just rarely used tinder or never got to me or what but I swiped her right on tinder, didn't match, then met her in real life. I of course never mentioned that fact. Anyways, she proceeds to follow me around, text me all the time, cook me dinner and take a ton of abuse from me all with me giving nothing back. I was testing the limits of being an asshole at the time so I never really made an attempt to fuck her but the fact remains, puppy dog in person, too high on a self appointed pedestal to see me on tinder.

[–]valenin 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What do the absolute numbers look like? If 20% of men is a smaller absolute number than 78% of women, it’s not those men competing for women as the article frames it.

[–]Tarmyniatur 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously more men use dating apps than women.

[–]zatham 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can anyone cite the original source for what she quoted in her tweet? my interest is piqued.

[–]Bazino 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stupid question, but how is this "competing" when they can statistically choose 5 girls EACH without crossing each other?

I'd say that the top 5% of them are competing for the top 25% of women more probably, while 15% are probably okay just pumping 26%-78% day after day.

(Also if men would just adhere to the same standards women have, then the game would become easier for everybody, but that's another topic.)

[–]teveza11 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women only want the best genes.

Technology has allowed them and those with the very best genes to have access to each other.

The other 80% of men's life quality has drastically reduced as a result.

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This, yet red pillers keep coping with "The muh wall!", LOL the wall dont fucking happen, women who are 39 are on tinder getting dicked down by men who are 25 and young and hot.

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Guys cope so fucking much, insanity.

[–]teveza11 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So true, the wall doesn't happen.

As men, we just can't admit the sexual superior balance of power that women have over us.

Women in the their late 30s also start being aggressive and talking to hot younger men and know they usually won't be rejected.

[–]ArtDeve 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not scientifically valid "study" at all. Sample size of only 27.

I don't think it as extreme as 80/20.. but my only experience with it is in a relatively small town.

[–]illusiveab 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Online dating is a massive Nash equilibrium

[–]Psychocist1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Will we lament this for the rest of our lives? Who cares?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I never stated my opinion on this, it can be good or bad depending on if you can get to the top 20% or not.

[–]Psychocist2 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I suppose it's good motivation to aim for that top 20%.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, it’s really the only life worth living as a man. Haven’t got there yet.

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol that shit is genetic, nothing u can do about it if u are not super good looking.

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Its not even 20%, rather 5%.

[–]cafeitalia 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On tinder top 20% of men do not compete. They get laid. Every week I can pull a new girl from tinder without much effort.

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

these 80% of women that these 20%ers are getting are women who have gotten used and abused by 50+ men already and who have an addiction to drugs/weed. vast majority of them also overweight, with obnoxious tats as well.

why?

because no woman actually worth a damn would stoop so low as to use tinder and give the common folk hope of scoring her, it's offensive. not even to "see whats out there"

they know theyre eggs are expensive, and that sperm is cheap.

theyre getting their Alpha-fix at parties, events, raves, colleges, even out in supermarkets/libraries/coffee shops. because theyre sexy aesthetic will motivate alphas to approach them in person and make shit happen.

in short, delete tinder, go swipe right on hoes IRL. dating apps are just an illusion built to keep the dumb goyim busy. dont be one of them.

[–]O--- 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

While I agree that any woman on Tinder is automatically not marriage material, you seem to overestimate how low a woman needs to go to end up on Tinder.

[–]chrisname 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women who haven’t used tinder are pretty much unicorns.

[–]adminsaregayniggers 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

so are women actually worth a damn

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

women with lives i described (i.e., the truly attractive ones worth a damn) look at tinder and scoff. they think it's pathetic.

automatic display of low value

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No they dont, u delusional fucking idiot. Im in a class in university, SUPER HOT GIRLS and EVERYONE have used or do use tinder.

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U must be some coping fucking old grandpa, jesus chist

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Eh what? Almost EVERY young hot girl is using tinder these days, u are coping hardcore buddy LOL

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

this dickhead matched with 2 spambots that were using hot girls' pictures today and now according to him """ tinder is full of sexy women brah """

please delete yourself u absolute fucking simpleton

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is what blue pill cope looks like, fucking grandpa, u obviously have NO FUCKING IDEA what hot women in their 20s are doing today LOL

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yawn. You are of low IQ and are clearly a retarded incel paying for tinder plus/gold. Since your dad didn't stick around to raise your simp ass, i have no reason to further stick around arguing with your dumb ass either.

enjoy mindlessly swiping on bots that leave you on Seen/Read all day while hot girls actually go get dick at parties & events, dickhead

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

lol someone got triggered, this is what happen when u BLACK PILL red pillers, who are actually blue pilled as fuck.

"Muh I will peak when Im 49 .. and its over for women!!"

Meanwhile, at 49 ure a fat balding loser while women just get fake titties and is now a "MILF" who can fuck literally 5000 guys in 1 year if she wants.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

you're still using """ blue/red pill """ nonironically

ur a cuck that has lent his ride to a girl u orbit which she used to drive to her boytoy's house to get fucked. dude has fucked her in YOUR car and u were stuck cleaning the mess he made after.

inb4 "at least i have a car and a female friend tho" LMFAOOOOOO excellently played gg

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What, who are you even responding to? Are you drunk?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

nah bro i fucked u up with that 1 smh u hurt right now smh "who r u talkin to" smh

[–]wastedlifez 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jesus christ u talk like a black person LOL, learn how to fucking express urself if u want anybody to understand what the fuck ure saying u low IQ mong ;)

[–]AlexDr0ps -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For a subreddit obsessed with being 'alpha', threads about dating apps catered entirely towards empowering women and providing them with even more SMP leverage than they already have sure do come up a lot, huh

[–]my_mix_still_sucks -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

!! BREAKING NEWS !! water is wet!

[–]wastedlifez -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The truth is that having an active good sex life with hot girls is completely over for 90% of western men. Why? Cause females are hooking up with the top 5-10% good looking men, that is the truth, and it even continues in the womens 30s and 40s.

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I talked to a girl who was 42 yesterday, she had 1700 matches in 3 weeks, she showed me some of them .. YOUNG HOT CHADS.

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Women dont hit the wall, that is a red pill myth and its false. Women can continue to get fucked by hot men thruout all their life.

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And the vaste majority of us will never ever even come CLOSE to that.

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Time to accept the facts and realise that "game" dont exist no more.

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You are born hot or not, this is based on ur facial attractiveness. If u dont got that, its over for u, atleast if u live in the west.

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