Does TRP essentially want women to have to sleep with men they are not truly attracted to?

Purple317 · 2023-06-15T13:08:51+00:00

Guys on here will say they hate the idea of being beta bucks, but then in the same breath they talk about going to impoverished countries to find wives, and/or being able to attract quality women once they are a bit older and have more money / status. So clearly they aren’t opposed to being beta bucks per se, as long as it meets one of the following conditions;

1): The woman is young, attractive, and has had few or ideally no sexual partners prior to him. She also has to be sexually loyal to him and play the part of a loving / dutiful wife even if deep down she’s not really feeling it. In this case they see it as a good bargain and they aren’t getting the short end of the stick, unlike being beta bucks to a 35 year old with 2 kids or whatever.

2): If we went back to a society where women were financially dependent on men, so pretty much all men were beta bucks to one degree or another. Because then Chad isn’t getting for free what they had to pay for blah blah blah.

So yeah, I don’t think men on here actually care about being genuinely desired as much as they claim. I think it’s more of a dick measuring contest between men than anything.

fiftypoundpuppy · 2023-06-15T13:10:16+00:00

I love how many people aren't actually answering the question you asked.

Men just keep on 🐹🐹

TermAggravating8043 · 2023-06-15T12:10:24+00:00

Trp doesn’t think of woman as people with thoughts feelings etc

“Females” are just simple hoes that can’t control themselves around a chad/alpha, their constantly on the look out for the best male etc etc

Trp just thinks woman should fight against their female nature and their hypergamy and to resist being this hoe for chad and instead to look at all these average dudes with their wonderful personalities

RevolutionaryFig929 · 2023-06-15T12:58:12+00:00

The logical soloution of the RP would be going back to forming the sexual cartel we had prior tobsexual revoloution, with a lot of social pressure on men and women to get married (restrictions to renting places, or even jobs), also strong penalties for dicorces and infidelity. And a more rational, transactional approach to marriage.

Most people will not want to go back to that, but ofc the RP guys want also sell zhe dream of sleeping around to men.

DutifulRye696 · 2023-06-15T11:59:14+00:00

Rollo is a simp, he constantly gets mogged by Ragnar and is too cowardly to openly cuck Gabriel byrne

Bandit174 · 2023-06-15T13:16:41+00:00

Thats why my viewpoint is the most based. I think we need to go either the genetically engineered designer baby route or make medical advancements such that cosmetic surgery becomes better and more affordable. That is the only option that has a chance of evening the sexual playing field. Anything else is cope.

nycgymbro · 2023-06-15T14:12:56+00:00

TRP is the sexual arena equivalent of Marxist philosophy. Take from those who have and give to those who need regardless of things such as human rights, property rights, autonomy, etc.

grown_folks_talkin · 2023-06-15T22:47:45+00:00

For the most vocal posters here, TRP sounds like a blend of wanting women to sleep with men they’re not attracted to, and wishing women were more attracted to them.

I am completely unsympathetic to arguments about reducing women’s sexual choices.

I think there needs to be an entire movement educating young men on how to be more attractive to women, knowing which social positioning is more likely to induce attraction while still respecting women. Education that does not encourage dark-triad traits. Inducing attraction while still maintaining your essential niceness, from experience feels like the ultimate flex and it is possible for most.

wtknight · 2023-06-15T12:10:28+00:00

I think that they want women to be attracted to their attractiveness matches and not to “Chads” who are out of their league.

JNRoberts42 · 2023-06-15T12:50:01+00:00

Yes, but men in general want that. They’ve been whining about the mythical friendzone for at least a decade now, which wouldn’t be a thing if not for men’s habit of falling for women who feel no attraction for them. Unrequited love is male real estate as well, deified forever in the mushy nerd-gets-the-girl romcoms written by men and referenced hourly on Reddit. Catcalling women who don’t know they exist, cold approaching women who would otherwise ignore them, and simping on social media photos are also typical male habits.

The idea of lonely, desperate men wandering the earth pining away for women who don’t want them would be tragic if not for men’s utter disregard for women’s feelings. They don’t require reciprocity for some reason.

EverVigilant1 · 2023-06-15T13:57:07+00:00

Does TRP essentially want women to have to sleep with men they are not truly attracted to?

No. They want women to be sexually attracted to them.

If there were a fairer balance between male and female sexual strategies, from the TRP perspective, doesn't that essentially mean that more women will need to go back to sleeping with and being sexually loyal to men they are not truly attracted to?

Yes, that's how it would shake out. But it's not what anyone really wants. In fact, as I'll demonstrate below, it isn't shaking out that way now. Women have made it worse.

I don't see how this is a problem, since women are saying that right now they are able to find men for sex and relationships. Women here at PPD constantly say they have great sex lives and relationships. "I have a great guy. All my friends have great guys. What's the problem? Huh?" Even some men here say this.

And yet, there are still to this day women married 1, 3, 5, 10 years in, complaining that they love their husbands but aren't in love with them. So they went ahead and ... married men they're not sexually attracted to anyway, despite not having to and despite being the most liberated women in human history. Or, they can't get anyone to marry them. Again- despite having every freedom, they can't manage to find and keep a man they're sexually attracted to.

Women's lib and feminism were supposed to solve all these problems. Why are these still problems? You women are more free and yet less happy. More liberated and yet poorer. More educated and yet can't find even basic happiness with one man.

Women have all the freedom in the world and somehow still manage to fuck it all up.

DarmakJalad · 2023-06-15T16:09:34+00:00

Absolutely. It’s basically: women should make this sacrifice, and if they don’t, then fellas , enjoy the decline- lean into hedonistic behavior that broadly damages women (women didn’t compromise, so why should we?) and unfortunately, causes some collateral damage to betas— but they already got screwed by women and why should we have to be the only ones to sacrifice our sexual strategy to spare betas if the women aren’t sacrificing theirs?

SD_Dinosaur · 2023-06-15T18:36:42+00:00

TRP began as an offshoot of the PUA scene and it wasn't about forcing women to sleep with men they find unattractive, it was more about making yourself a better man that women would want to sleep with.

Now it's definitely devolved into a pity party where men just sit around feeling sorry for themselves and hating on women.

neverendingplush · 2023-06-15T18:38:47+00:00

Ive been asking myself this lately. So women now due to economic and societal freedom.coupled with birth control are now free to to choose whom they spend their time with. Even having a kid out of wedlock isn't the death knell it used to be.

So having read the redpill for a decade it seems that men seem to lament that women are going for whi they truly find attractive and to be quite honest even though I'm straight, most men are quite fucking ugly. So the ones that are attractive are going to be the top 20% naturally as their competition is basic non existent . Many men seem to resent this paradigm because it conflicts with the method of pairing off that our forefathers had in recent decades I'm which the woman perhaps didn't have the greatest access to men , and economic means and made due with the best with what she had in front of her.

Hence why men rage for tradcon women because it levels the playing field for them if women fall in line with God fearing morality. The catch is is that redpill teaches these men to want this and in the meantime become the man all woman want to fuck . Quite hypercritical.

In my opinion why would I want a wife that doesn't want to fuck me and simply is with me because of my somewhat ok qualities and stability,ability to provide. These men delude themselves into thinking they are a catch and because of fierce competition now for desirable women ,project their inadequacies on women's desire to perhaps naturally get whatever wants, the best.

My take, chill the fuck out and be better you and the options will be there. Both sides have delusion

Rude_Macaron2021 · 2023-06-15T14:26:58+00:00

Yes.

Just as men have to marry the best they can get.

Iakobos_Mathematikos · 2023-06-15T18:04:33+00:00

If a fair society entails most men living their lives alone because women’s standards are that high, then I don’t want a fair society.

Educational_Ad4410 · 2023-06-15T13:08:13+00:00

I’m not red pilled but women can do what they want. Men are allowed to complain and find ways to mitigate the problems that affect men in the modern dating market, this doesn’t mean force women to do anything.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2023-06-15T14:23:12+00:00

from the TRP perspective, doesn't that essentially mean that more women will need to go back to sleeping with and being sexually loyal to men they are not truly attracted to?

"Go back to" what? I would take issue with the premise here, as if this was really a thing at some point back in the day. Too many tend to look at past eras through the lens of the oversexed, hedonistic, orgiastic playgrounds of the current era.

Maybe there were some women who didn't really care all that much if they were sexually attracted to the man that they married. Or maybe there were other things that were more important at the time.

I suppose if women were being asked to do anything, perhaps it's for them to demonstrate a greater sense of responsibility and show that they're enlightened, civilized beings and not primitives acting only on impulse, frivolity, whimsy, and superficiality. But that may be asking too much.

NationalistGoy · 2023-06-15T14:43:22+00:00

Men almost always have some genuine desire for any woman they sleep with.

But then you get post nut clarity and you forget about desire.

Safinated · 2023-06-15T14:47:26+00:00

TRP doesn’t care what women want. Says so right in their sub description

horonlapsi · 2023-06-15T14:54:57+00:00

the point of trp is to pick up woman and for that you need to improve yourself which they try to do

Outside_Ad8196 · 2023-06-15T15:33:42+00:00

No the idea is for the women to stop punching way up and be realistic if they want an actual relationship. Casual sex they can get above their league, but then cue “all men are dogs who just want sex” because these guys will never commit.

Let’s take a decent looking 6/10 woman. It’s not that she’s not attracted to the 6 & 7 guys.

It’s that she thinks she can get a 9/10 guy to commit because she’s slept with one/a few, so she will reject even a 7 and chase 8 & 9’s hoping one does commits to her.

-Starship · 2023-06-15T20:02:24+00:00

The ideal world would be one where all men and women have the opportunity to date and sleep with an abundance of partners when young. These interactions would be consensual, enjoyable, allow for positive personal growth, and without any shame, STDs or pregnancies.

They would date until they reach a point where they choose one monogamous partner to raise children and spend the rest of their lives with. The partner they choose would align with their life goals and values.

Unfortunately, life doesn't play out this way. Instead, as in the economic world, you have the "haves" and the "have nots" where there are men who are effectively locked out of the dating market and women unable to fine partners who will commit long term to them.

I don't know what the solution to this situation. As technology advances (AI gf/bf, VR games/porn, etc.), we may see these problems exacerbated, but there may also be a reactionary pushback.

tired_hillbilly · 2023-06-15T21:17:47+00:00

Do you think pickiness is immutable? I don't.

Like this idea that women HAVE to only be attracted to the best guys just isn't true. It reminds me of the fat people shows on TLC, where they have some 600lb person who wretches at the taste of a brussels sprout. Because they're so used to sugary, fatty foods; i.e. the best tasting foods, less tasty, healthy food tastes downright gross to them.

Well, why wouldn't the same be true of physical attraction? Our culture puts such an insane emphasis on physical attraction, and puts so much effort into showing us the best-looking people all the time that our standards get warped. By seeing so many of the best guys on social media, and by being able to get casual sex from the best guys via OLD, women's standards for what is attractive get warped.

operation-spot · 2023-06-16T02:20:50+00:00

I don’t think there is a solution where the majority of men will get sex so I think y’all are just gonna have to get over it.

You cannot force attraction, commitment, or love and which has been shown in the past with dead bedrooms and cheating. Sex and relationships are not a fair game and someone has to loose. The bigger issue is that forfeiting the game has different consequences depending on gender.

For women, you get to be the cool aunt, travel the world, have disposable income, and get support from friends and family. For men, it looks like dying alone in an apartment by themselves. Men will always want women more than women want them because they place their entire self worth in the hands of others.

Men will be alone and maybe that’s how it was meant to be. Historically, most men died so women had to make do with what was left, that is no longer the case. I really do wish y’all the best and hope you can find a way to exist without the life you were promised.

bizk55 · 2023-06-15T12:18:43+00:00

well I do it; sleep with women I'm not particularly attracted to. Ive dated several that I thought had good personalities as well.

the problem is that women often think they are in leagues above what they are in reality because Chads pump and dump them, and then they think that's the standard

Title	Does TRP essentially want women to have to sleep with men they are not truly attracted to?
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Date	June 15, 2023 11:40 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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