ADL says MGTOW is an extreme misogynist movement.

Turbulent_Ad_9727 · 2024-03-30T23:00:18+00:00

Wow, it's astounding how many contradictions and lies this article contains.

This vitriolic and separatist position reinforces men's existing misogynist beliefs, which contributes to existing cultures of misogyny and jeopardizes women’s safety.

Can someone explain how exactly it jeopardizes my safety if someone doesn't want to have anything to do with me? Because their article failed in doing so.

MGTOWs discuss their ideology, mental health, hobbies and more.

Oh no, men have hobbies and ask other men for help to improve their mental health. That is clearly an indicator for a hate group.

First Paragraph:

MGTOW is a distinct faction of the “manosphere,” the [...] sometimes violent extremist movements that exist largely online.

And at the end:

There are no known incidents of violent extremism attributed to MGTOWs.

Which now? Is it a violent group or not? Make up your mind. If they talk about other movements, why do they have to connect MGTOW with these? It almost seems like they have to make up reasons to build a narrative. But that's probably just my internalized misogyny.

Suspicious-Sleep5227 · 2024-03-30T22:59:31+00:00

I skimmed through the content on ADL. Their main reason for classifying it as a “hate group” is because of its anti-feminist stances. If that’s the case then this is the most unique “hate group” I’ve ever heard of because I can’t think of any hate groups out there which has a “live and let live” mentality. It’s exactly like trying to hate monks and the whole of idea of monasticism.

ConsiderationSea1347 · 2024-03-30T22:46:58+00:00

It is really telling that it is viewed as “hateful” for a man to just stop being a wallet for others and enforce the most basic boundaries to protect his dignity.

Grand-Juggernaut6937 · 2024-03-30T23:20:32+00:00

Meanwhile when Women say they never want to interact with another man again they get praised for dismantling the patriarchy

aigars2 · 2024-03-30T23:25:57+00:00

So basically men having their free will mysogonistic...

newsformgtow · 2024-03-30T22:21:38+00:00

This is wild. MGTOW is way more than that... it's empowering and they don't like that... crazy

DifficultPapaya3038 · 2024-03-30T23:13:17+00:00

Ideological persecution.

What’s new?

Yet feminism is allowed to rip apart the fabric of society and harm women, men, boys and girls and no one bats an eye

Geselshaft · 2024-03-30T23:04:52+00:00

Meh.

ADL, if you don’t know, is the Anti Defamation League. Which exists to point out perceived defamation against Jews and anti-semitism.

The actual article is here.

Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) is a distinct faction of the “manosphere,” the broad set of male supremacist, anti-feminist, misogynist and sometimes violent extremist movements that exist largely online.

Pretty much copy and pasted from Wikipedia, which is controlled and locked by Wikipedia for feminists. Which is why I will never give a dime to Wikipedia as they decided to only allow violent leftist feminists to “control narratives” and man hate.

If you want fun, look up MGTOW in Wikipedia in a different language and country. You don’t see all the feminist propaganda because the hate groups are primarily US and English speaking based.

Also, how is one violent (can someone show me MGTOW violence), yet is online? Are mgtow shooting up people in CoD?

The primary threat posed by MGTOWs comes from their dangerous and disingenuous antifeminist rhetoric, including lies about the nature & consequences of feminism

Let’s say this is actually true. So and what? Who decided feminism is a by default good thing when all they are is man haters? For an anti-defamation league to defame men and support man haters seems odd. I wonder how much money the man haters raise for the ADL?

Sounds like a standard operation. ADL clearly supports man haters. For money.

This vitriolic and separatist position reinforces men's existing misogynist beliefs, which contributes to existing cultures of misogyny and jeopardizes women’s safety.

How dare men online troll violent man haters. Next they’ll support punching naughty 1930s Germans in the streets.

One of the most popular frameworks used to evaluate and categorize subcultures is Robert Merton’s typology of deviance, first published in 1938, which recognizes separatist movements like MGTOWs as a deviant response by a subculture whose values are fundamentally incompatible with the central (existing) culture.

Umm…you supported it when feminists did it. So a non-political community of men eschewing marriage is that violent and negative?

Those must be some spicy memes. And I guess sense anti-semitism has a long history we wouldn’t want to stop that central culture. Which means the ADL is a terrorist organization as they seek to undo the dominant anti-Jewish opinions.

The core tenets of the MGTOW subculture have been a popular object of study for social scientists since their emergence into the public consciousness in the mid 2010’s.

You mean by the violent man haters who, guess what, hate men?

Scholars like Shawn Van Valkenburgh have focused their research careers on all elements of the manosphere, including MGTOWs, whereas other teams of researchers, such as the team led by Scott Wright, focused their efforts exclusively on understanding the MGTOW phenomenon.

You mean cucks. They haven’t done anything but justify the results the ones funding them wanted. Then changed their study to “reflect” that. Nice try. Academics don’t work for free. They’re bought and paid for.

I’m MGTOW, and I was a moderator of a number of MGTOW subreddits, and have “studied” it every day for a decade. I’m guessing I know far more than some paid off cuck.

MGTOWs believe modern “Western” society has been corrupted by feminism.

Already wrong out of the gate in the first sentence. Those are trad cucks. Trad cucks aren’t MGTOW. They worship pussy, hence thinking it’s “corrupt”.

MGTOW more looks at the asymmetry in the legal system between men and women, more in linen with MRAs talking points and co cause the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

Trad cucks worship the juice and demand it taste like “the old days”.

which is characterized by its attention to the intersectionality of misogyny, sex and body positivity, and its focus on redefining traditional gender roles for both men and women.

Posting memes and cringe tik tok videos sure is violent. Don’t like them? Blame the stupid women posting their dirty laundry hilariously online

MGTOWs argue that feminism ensures that men are either actively subjected to (or at serious risk of) discrimination

I’m pretty sure the laws in the US and many countries make that plainly obvious.

Their “proof” is what they term double standards evident in the workplace, legal rulings and dating.

Um. Yes?

If there were, say, some antisemitism laws in 1939s Germany would that be proof of discrimination? Stick to what you know son. You’re making me not want to contribute to your man hating group.

to minimally interact with women, men who do not share their positions, and any culture they perceive as feminist.

More that they’re just simps and cucks. And pretty much only when they openly attack mgtow with their bluepill feminism worshipping. Like this article for instance.

MGTOWs perceive all people and cultures as feminist until proven otherwise- their separatist behaviors stem from a paranoid

More that all societies are gynocentric and worship women.

Btw, your own religion is filled with MGTOW. Did you know that? Tons of Jewish men are MGTOW too. Are they anti-semites?

Is this just an attempt to save your own people from their self-hating and to start increasing population? So far you haven’t shown a lot of antisemitism in MGTOW that is your stated group mission.

MGTOW separation ideology is categorized into four distinct levels:

Copy and paste from Wikipedia. Absolutely no one brings up that cringe teenage “levels” in years. It was stupid from day one. I don’t know anyone who does that, they pretty much stick to non-committed relationships. Is this a problem in your own group perhaps?

MGTOW groups experienced substantial growth in the early to mid-2010s, driven largely by the proliferation of memes and testimonials by members, who criticized perceived “feminist corruption.”

My god that memes! You can tell any groups criticism is valid because of memes being brought up. “They use memes!” Just a reminder this app are you MGTOW hating group has millions of dollars. And they’re terrified of memes.

By 2020, numerous academic papers had been published on MGTOWs and the manosphere, highlighting MGTOWs’ presence on platforms like Reddit and as influencers on social media sites.

“Academic papers” means “man hating propaganda pieces”. Feminist hate speech. But I digress.

Some of these communities and individuals were banned from these platforms, including the subreddit r/MGTOW, which was removed in 2021.

Which had the highest engagement rate of almost every subreddit on Reddit. I have the numbers I ran monthly showing this.

It was removed entirely for political reasons and to attract Chinese investment to use Reddit as a propaganda platform.

As always, it’s money. Good luck on the IPO Reddit!

Despite these bans and the disappearance of many MGTOW websites and communities, a few continue to operate today, including the imageboard known as Wizardchan, where MGTOWs discuss their ideology, mental health, hobbies and more.

Clearly antisemitism and online “violence”. They sound terrible. A real dangerous group. Are they still using memes?

Are they over at over at https://communities.win/c/MGTOW/ ? What total assholes. Hobbies? Memes?

Users in these communities frequently employ misogynistic language, including the use of derogatory terms to describe women, and engage in other forms of hate, including racism and homophobia.

Hobbies and memes. Man you guys are really trying to drive lots of men to support Gaza or something. Not sure your goal in <current year>. Pushing more hatred? Worshipping the powers in charge?

There are no known incidents of violent extremism attributed to MGTOWs.

I’m actually floored this sentence was wedged in.

So no violence. No semitism. Hmm.

While there is no singular voice representing MGTOWs on the internet, several alt-right and manosphere influencers produce content that promotes MGTOW ideology, including H. Pearl Davis, 21 Studios, SandmanMGTOW and ManospherePodcast.

Wait ‘till they get a load of me.

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Da_Famous_Anus · 2024-03-30T23:54:26+00:00

Men going their own way = misogyny.

Got it.

loldave87 · 2024-03-30T23:57:47+00:00

Meanwhile femaledatingadvice…

runner557 · 2024-03-30T23:59:22+00:00

They are basically saying that if you aren't providing for and taking care of a woman, then you are a misogynist. That's your value to women and society. And if you refuse it, then its viewed as anti-social behavior.

king_rootin_tootin · 2024-03-31T01:27:05+00:00

Basically, if a man doesn't want to have a woman, he's a misogynist.

If a man wants a woman but can't get one, he's an incel misogynist.

If he has a girlfriend or a wife, he's a misogynist who is guilty of rape because, as feminist high priestess Andrea Dworkin said, "heterosexual sex is always rape."

Oh, and also I've heard feminists argue that gay men are misogynistic because they only have men in their bedrooms

🤦🏽‍♂️

juuglaww · 2024-03-31T01:24:35+00:00

Imagine taking the adl seriously. Clown organization.

raging_pastafarian · 2024-03-31T01:11:16+00:00

I am not MGTOW myself, but I do stand for equality for all, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc etc etc.

MGTOW is about men who want to withdraw from interacting with women, right? And the reasons for this withdrawal are varied... some might not like being abused by feminist policies that have threatened or ruined their lives. Some might be incels. And I'm sure there are more reasons.

But regardless of reasons, isn't it a HUMAN RIGHT to decide to not interact with society, or portions of society? As long as you are not discriminating in an illegal way (eg, refusing to serve women if you work at a restaurant), then it is a purely personal choice. How can it be extremist to just want to withdraw and be a hermit / partial hermit or something?

Carbo-Raider · 2024-03-31T00:37:57+00:00

We should sue the Anti Defamation League for ... defamation.

Other-Medium5577 · 2024-03-30T23:56:28+00:00

The ADL is a hate group, just as the SPLC is a hate group.

CommunicationDue9265 · 2024-03-30T23:40:14+00:00

Wtf is the ADL

norwaydre · 2024-03-30T23:35:54+00:00

ADL lol

kkkan2020 · 2024-03-31T00:11:17+00:00

who cares... haters gonna hate.

Tiny_Professional358 · 2024-03-31T03:23:14+00:00

It’s another desperate attempt to shame men into being money slaves for women. The less men that are willing to date the less potential ATM’s.

entingmat2 · 2024-03-30T23:58:59+00:00

lol, as if the ADL is any better

jbr945 · 2024-03-31T00:35:03+00:00

Funny, would they say the same thing about a " women going their own way" type of organization? I don't think so.

queenAlexislexis · 2024-03-31T00:35:16+00:00

No man are not misogynist for going their own way smh 😡

Traditional-Bunch-56 · 2024-03-31T05:59:46+00:00

"MGTOW s are terrorists for not serving women",

Jokes on you ADL, iam into these kind of terrorism...

elebrin · 2024-03-31T02:01:41+00:00

How long will it be before a single man without any history with a significant other is targeted by law enforcement as a sort of default "person of interest?"

KPplumbingBob · 2024-03-31T08:37:16+00:00

TFW feminists tell us to do the work and make our issues known. Immediately get labeled a terrorist.

Sid3612 · 2024-03-31T02:54:40+00:00

Fun Fact: The ADL was formed because a Jewish Man falsely accused a Black Man of raping a girl that the Jew raped, but the evidence against the Jew was so conclusive that even the KKK sided with the Black when the court tried to prosecute him. The ADL was formed because a Jew falsely accused a Black Man but couldn't get away with it.

KelVarnsenIII · 2024-03-31T03:51:52+00:00

Feminism and feminist ideology should be defined as a violent terrorostic hate group because that's exactly what it is. There is no centrist or moderate faction. It's a far left radical terrorist female ideology.

DrewYetti · 2024-03-31T04:17:21+00:00

So men who avoid getting married, date, cohabiting with western women is misogyny? The ADL is stupid.

Impossible_Policy_12 · 2024-03-31T05:15:48+00:00

Look at how the Korean women’s movement 4B is praised by everyone. It’s the same as MGTOW but with women. Double standards gonna double standard.

nuudul2 · 2024-03-31T13:38:19+00:00

getting labeled by adl as something bad is a sign that were doing the right thing

cum_dragon · 2024-03-31T00:01:53+00:00

I am so glad I don't know what the 'ADL' is

KD93AQ · 2024-03-31T07:05:13+00:00

The ADL is an ultra-hardline leftwing hate group.

The_RedWolf · 2024-03-31T09:59:03+00:00

The ADL is a hate organization

Ignore them

denvercaniac · 2024-03-31T02:26:58+00:00

Dgaf

Ahielia · 2024-03-31T06:16:15+00:00

Adl is hateful in itself. Don't care about what they have to say really, if anything I rather think the opposite of what they do.

Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2024-03-31T02:20:37+00:00

The same stuff they say about us, is true of feminism of the 60s and 70s.

barkmagician · 2024-03-31T02:59:14+00:00

its not even a movement

WitnessOld6293 · 2024-03-31T05:27:26+00:00

Not surprising for a group that exists to defend Israel's pointless wars and conscription

Common_Lime_6167 · 2024-03-31T14:41:26+00:00

"Boysober": Inspirational

MGTOW: dangerous

Trail_of_Jeers · 2024-03-31T22:40:00+00:00

The ADL was created to protect a pedo rapist. Anyone they hate goes up in my estimation

Professional-Lab-157 · 2024-03-31T22:40:29+00:00

The ADL is a leftist run hate group.

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gentlemanwitch · 2024-03-31T07:31:02+00:00

How very odd - it’s would seem a perfectly appropriate response when a small vocal group of feminists influencing the majority of ‘women’ to develop a position not need the other group ‘men’ as in partners (this has changed their perceived attitude (social media perpetuates this) - that that group would decide to reconsider ways to redefine their positions too.

If women are opting out making their men a priority in a relationship and becoming focussed on themselves more - when men are doing the same too, seems quite balanced in doing the same - seems a logical consequence and the ADL definition seems a little brief - through - when I read a lot of their FAQ it reads like an agitated person getting defensive rather than a confident organisation or professionals.

Bottom line if men are finding some modern women’s behaviour unattractive - then they have a choice to not take part and devote their time improving themselves and elevating their own self and situation without feeling they have to take a unacceptable partner to not bring more happiness to the lives.

BigBrilla · 2024-03-31T08:23:07+00:00

focusing on myself and making sure I am stable and steady is my goal, so I can in the future provide a beautiful life for children and my partner

right now, I can’t get caught up in dumb shit especially with club girls that will waste my time and ruin my pursuit of peace

Therefore I’m obviously a hateful misogynist because I want to ensure I build strong foundations for my future (hopefully) wife and children

LeftcelInflitrator · 2024-03-31T15:47:34+00:00

Didn't the ADL also call Nelson Mandela a terrorist?

DaJosuave · 2024-03-31T21:53:40+00:00

Lol, MGTOW is far from misogynistic.....it's actually the very goal of third wave feminism. Men just turn over and take it.

ilikehotasfuckwomen · 2024-03-31T23:22:45+00:00

I like MGTOW but those bastards hate me because I've fucked so many women...

Drakin5 · 2024-04-01T07:58:53+00:00

Remember when MGTOW was branded as the Taliban of the manosphere by GQ? Good times.

Imaginary_Score1980 · 2024-04-01T22:56:46+00:00

The ADL exists to keep the narratives going. The days of them guilting everyone are numbered and they know it.

Ok-Switch9383 · 2024-03-31T02:37:02+00:00

Perhaps for those in tge US we should report an incident of discrimination for being forced to sign up for the selective service.

reading_alot · 2024-03-31T02:51:45+00:00

Who the fuck is ADL? And why should we care??

Minimum_Disaster1910 · 2024-03-31T02:02:40+00:00

While the general idea behind MGTOW is very important I do think the movement has had a history of being hijacked by genuinely misogynistic and hateful men to harass women, which has given it a pretty bad name in the media

fatshendrix · 2024-03-31T06:38:16+00:00

Stop noticing.

BrainCluster · 2024-03-31T05:53:04+00:00

Well it is. But it's a reaction to the opposite extremist movement of modern feminisim which the ADL will never aknowledge as such.

None of this should be this way. Men and women should love each other and create families. Anything else leads to extinction.

Brave_Bluebird5042 · 2024-03-31T00:11:14+00:00

I'd like to think MGTOW is about moving on without women, but it seems obsessed with women. Hard to go your own way, or move on without while obsessed.

Forsaken_Hat_7010 · 2024-03-31T07:44:13+00:00

The ADL is a sexist, racist and zionist organization among others, but as much as people in this sub may not like it, they are right about this.

Many here defend MGTOWs by arguing that their concerns are legitimate and that their theory only seeks to liberate men and stuff, but if we accept to judge based on that instead of acts and speeches, then we would have to do the same with feminism.

The unfortunate reality is that they, and the attempts they have had to reform it, have ended up being mostly sexist movements.

amongstTheIdiots · 2024-03-31T02:59:56+00:00

There are some MGTOW guys that are just shitty men. They’re harmful to the movement because they play into the stereotype that MGTOW are just incels.

Title	ADL says MGTOW is an extreme misogynist movement.
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Date	March 30, 2024 9:57 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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