"Women find it easier to survive, men find it easier to thrive"

KayRay1994 · 2024-04-12T14:12:59+00:00

I think so - at the end of the day, at a more societal level, women are valued more for their looks and are generally more wanted for just existing (even if said wanting is entirely objectification), to be clear, this also doesn’t resonate with a good or fun existence - but, as far as just existing goes, women can exist easier (ie. women and children first, etc) - and at an evolutionary level it does make sense, women are physically weaker and a pregnant woman is out of commission for 9 months. So I do get it.

Men are more expendable in comparison, and as such, go out in the world far more, as such, men have a higher ceiling for thriving because what a man can be socially valued more is various different things, but, the value doesn’t come from pure existence as such, while there is a higher possibility to thrive, survival is more difficult.

Both have their ups and downs tbh and we should stop seeing one side as an advantage, cause it so far more complicated than “this is easy” vs “this is difficult”

AdEffective7894s · 2024-04-12T12:21:43+00:00

I dont think it is that simple at all.

I think women can thrive and survive. without really compromising on their wquality of life at all

Men can survive but frequently at the cost of their own health and sanity points. Sure some men can thrive, most men are not that driven, and given the lack of role models to tell them how to succeed, more of us are gonna fail

and we are not women. we are not ballett dacers and asrtists who can get married to someone who doesnt expect us to monetarily contribute.

Life is intensely sink or swim for most men. Its grind or die. You feel unhappy? depressed? wat to take a mental health day? You just signaled you dont deserve success.

Dog eat dog world

Charming_Parking_302 · 2024-04-12T12:14:05+00:00

I've heard the saying "If you want to do nothing it's easier to be a woman. If you want to do something it's easier to be a man"

Safinated · 2024-04-12T15:28:37+00:00

Most women cannot or will not become hot enough to snag a rich husband

There’s just not enough of them to go around

Sure, these men will fuck them, but marry? Naw, cuz they have options

It’s easier for men to become top tier, because aggressiveness, risk taking, ambition, self interest and sociopathy is more prevalent and also more accepted in men than women

SupposedlySapiens · 2024-04-12T15:23:39+00:00

Most women can’t just “marry a high income man when she wants to”

WilliamWyattD · 2024-04-12T12:04:06+00:00

I dunno about that. Maybe referring to male variability in that the worst men are more numerous and worse than the worst women, but the top men are also more numerous and more capable.

In general, the relevant literature suggests boys and men are more fragile than women in terms of needing the right structure to develop properly and then behave productively and morally as adults. So to the extent society is going to shit, it will hurt men more. And maybe when everything is in place, even median men do a bit better than median women. Hard to say since we've never had emancipated women at the same time as a great social structure that supports men in pursuance of an effective and relevant masculine ideal that is widely celebrated.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-04-12T11:20:25+00:00

Redpill would call this apex fallacy. My guess is, the minority of men who have no problem surviving usually go on to thrive. Women are too hamstrung by their own biology to do so.

bluestjuice · 2024-04-12T12:37:22+00:00

I don’t see anyone really thriving easily. I really think most people are going to find that extremely challenging, gender notwithstanding.

OtPayOkerSmay · 2024-04-12T14:45:50+00:00

I wouldn't say men find it easier to thrive, but that there is immense pressure on men to thrive.

We give passes to women who fail, often redirecting the blame to some outside force (oppression for example); but men who fail get no sympathy, even when faultless, and are expected to do better.

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Creation_Soul · 2024-04-12T11:49:07+00:00

isn't this a similar line of thinking as the male variability theory?

if it is so, then you also missed the part where it's also easier for men "to fall through the cracks" and become total failures.

tacticaltossaway · 2024-04-12T18:57:00+00:00

It's an obvious case survivorship bias and the apex fallacy. You cannot thrive if you do not survive.

apresonly · 2024-04-12T20:34:07+00:00

i feel like men love to brag about how they don't take care of themselves bc they're so tough. ex: going to the doctor

i would say its the opposite.

izoldetales · 2024-04-13T00:01:39+00:00

I think the proverb that say " duck babies either swim or sink ' is basically the best description for men .

We kind of downplay how hard for a man to be successful. The richest men on earth has a may worth of 220 BILLION $ . So yeah , it's hard for men to shine if they keep comparing themselves to successful men but probably do what women do which is comparing themselves to the other gender. Most male athletes would be considered successful if they were compared to their female counterparts. So yeah, men need to ditch the hierarchy, cause men in general are sinking regardless of the winners.

Cethlinnstooth · 2024-04-13T02:36:46+00:00

Some people are literally obsessed with trying to find fine distinctions that may not even exist in who has it easier. That can't possibly be a healthy or balanced way to go through life. It's not reflective of the reality that having it easy is actually quite uncommon and most people you think have it easy are just making it look easy.

The reality is that to achieve average results the average person born at a time of average opportunities works damn hard all their lives. Male or female. Life is not easy.

DatabaseAfraid7176 · 2024-04-13T07:36:55+00:00

"marry a high income man when she wants to"

Doubt it.

Kagenikakushiteru · 2024-04-14T02:18:45+00:00

Very true. When I was in my 20s I was in a serious relationship that ended in marriage. By divorce I was an average rich guy with around $3m net assets.

By late 30s I’ve hit $10m+. I gym, use tixel and resurfacing laser and r&f and look 27. Chuck on some gentle monster Sun glasses and drive around in my Porsche 911, I kill it. Feel like a king. My family even owns the office building I work at in downtown/cbd/celery center hahaha.

I look at these cute girls from 23-25. Man they’re still cute at 28-34. But they’re fucked. No successful guy like me wants to touch them, they’re either single mum’s or have been around the traps. I ended up impregnating some fresh young 22 year old Japanese instead and bought a house for her to raise my kids. The 22 yo is smart - I moved her to my home country but still go travel including to Japan alone, she doesn’t mind or care. Never asks where I am.

In meantime these 28-32 year olds who used to have more sway over me, now are always asking when I’m free to go out. I don’t even want to touch them they’re so old.

My 2 businesses are now on the verge of leapfrogging and I’m probably yet to make my own $100m these few years. By then I probably would’ve stopped contacting most 30 year old flings they’re just too old

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-04-12T11:17:59+00:00

I wouldn’t agree. There’s literally no where in the world where men are oppressed and struggle to get work/education or not allowed to date.

Things are just getting more equal

SillyMushroomTip · 2024-04-12T11:23:37+00:00

Men find it easier to c o p e

Title	"Women find it easier to survive, men find it easier to thrive"
Author	theTrueLocuro
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Date	April 12, 2024 11:10 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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