Imagine a world without slutshaming

hairy_bamboo · 2024-08-02T16:41:55+00:00

Lack of slut shaming doesn't and will never mean women will be more likely to sleep with dudes like us( aka unnatractive)

wtknight · 2024-08-02T15:23:52+00:00

The problem is that women often don’t sleep with men right away not because they fear being labeled as sluts, but because they are not as attracted to these men at first and need to develop chemistry with them. When men hear about these women having sex right away with other, more attractive men while they themselves have to wait, they often become resentful.

obviousredflag · 2024-08-03T07:08:43+00:00

I've always considered slutshaming a sad own goal no one benefits from.

Women collectively benefit from restricting sexual availability to maintain its value.

Slutshaming is a tool to keep the price of sex high.

https://www.evolvingyourman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/cultural-suppression-of-female-sexuality.pdf

Here is a summary in bullet points of the paper "Cultural Suppression of Female Sexuality" by Roy F. Baumeister and Jean M. Twenge:

Main Argument: The paper posits that female sexuality is culturally suppressed, not solely due to male dominance, but also due to intra-female competition and societal structures.
Theoretical Frameworks:
- Sexual Economics Theory: This theory suggests that sex is a resource that women control and trade for various benefits, including commitment and resources from men. Women collectively benefit from restricting sexual availability to maintain its value.
- Male Dominance Hypothesis: Traditionally, it's believed that men suppress female sexuality to maintain control and ensure paternity certainty.
Evidence and Findings:
- Historical and Cross-Cultural Data: The analysis includes data showing varying levels of sexual suppression across different societies and historical periods, correlating with changes in social and economic structures.
- Women's Role: Contrary to the traditional male dominance view, the paper argues that women often enforce sexual norms and restrictions more strictly than men to preserve the value of their sexual currency.
Mechanisms of Suppression:
- Double Standards: The persistence of double standards in sexual morality, where female promiscuity is condemned while male promiscuity is tolerated or even encouraged.
- Social Sanctions: The use of gossip, ostracism, and other social tools by women to enforce sexual norms within their communities.
Implications:
- Understanding Gender Dynamics: The findings challenge the simplistic view of male-imposed sexual repression and highlight the complex interplay of gender dynamics and social strategies.
- Policy and Social Change: Insights from the paper suggest that efforts to change sexual norms need to consider the roles both men and women play in perpetuating these norms.

Street_Language2736 · 2024-08-02T18:28:09+00:00

TheAvocadoSlayer · 2024-08-02T18:30:24+00:00

You know what I fully support shaming? The sexualization of teens in the clothing industry. It’s so weird to me that every single shirt at a girls clothing store is a crop top. 13 year olds are wearing adult clothes but “noooo let them dress in what they want!”

Maractop · 2024-08-02T16:29:35+00:00

Slut shaming has 0 impact on anything IRL. Women with high counts get married and date with no issue. Slut shaming has 0 connection to unattractive men not getting attention from women. Women will do what they want to do regardless. No amount of slut shaming is stopping a woman from sleeping with a guy she thinks is attractive

stats135 · 2024-08-02T15:34:43+00:00

Unattractive men are losing the most at this.

Is it really?

We can compare the West to the Middle East and see a stark difference. In Middle Eastern cultures that slutshame, normal bottom 80% of men can get young virgin wives just as the top 20% can. While here in the West, where there is relatively less slutshaming, normal bottom 80% of men, only get the leftovers of what the Chads don't want anymore, after Chad enjoyed their youth.

Junior_Ad_3086 · 2024-08-02T15:53:15+00:00

women won't sleep with unattractive men whether not or not there is slutshaming, get real lol. shame is a useful tool in discouraging negative behavior on a societal level. promiscuity is only normalized in the west and only in modern times because of free love type of movements.

Feisty_Response_9401 · 2024-08-02T19:38:28+00:00

Slut shaming works, and is important to regulate sexuality, which has huge health, social and demographic consequences that everyone has to handle.

Besides, slut shaming comes mostly from other women because it basically takes away *men and quality men from women as a group.

Men focus on other forms of shaming other men, such as men who don't contribute or are pervs.

Ok-Active8747 · 2024-08-02T23:09:04+00:00

I think that the internet has opened up the world in a way that anyone can find the answer or opinion they are searching for. Before the internet local communities use to keep people in check by shaming them. I support shaming for community betterment. Cancel culture was exactly that, a community of people who believe the same thing and publicly shame those who act outside of those views. An example of this was Kevin Hart and the Oscars.

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-08-03T05:46:36+00:00

In a world without slut shaming, *does a Buzz Lightyear hand wave* "Sluts, sluts everywhere!" That's pretty much the west today anyway.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, without slut shaming women will not magically start looking average or ugly men, so you're absolutely full of shit about that.

Cicero_Johnson · 2024-08-04T05:34:44+00:00

Imagine a world where women are honest about their sexual past.

I mean, if a woman wants to be a slut that is fine. But when a guy indicates he is looking for someone who hasn't had their ability to pair bond completely fried, women should be honest about their past.

TheSinofSodomy · 2024-08-02T15:02:30+00:00

I'm not sure who you're trying to appeal to here. I think most non-RPers would agree that slutshaming is bad. I think most people in the West don't believe in actively slutshaming, save for the very conservative types.

It doesnt harm anyone when two ppl meet and have sex.

This isn't necessarily true, even as someone who agrees with you for the most part. I assumed you were implying consent, so I won't touch on that. I don't think you even believe this statement though. You know how many regretful one night stands people have, both men and women? What about post-breakup makeup sex?

I'm not an RPer, so take what I say next with a grain of salt. But, as far as I understand, they think that the SMV of a woman drops if she's had many past partners. In a world like that, slutshaming might not be inherently bad. After all, if you thought murder was wrong, wouldn't you want to make murder socially unacceptable?

LevelCaterpillar1830 · 2024-08-02T15:33:11+00:00

If i dont want a promiscuous woman, in a world with no slutshaming she wouldnt be as tempted to lie about it

It's precisely the fact that you wouldn't want a promiscuous woman that incentivizes her to lie about it, not the shaming, which is just an extension of men's lack of desire towards promiscuous activity in women they want to wife up.

The truth is that women will never beat the desire for purity out of men who are actually attractive, and have access to women. Most they'll ever do is beat this desire out of men they weren't planning on getting intimate with anyway (aka unattractive guys).

Do I agree that people should stop fucking pestering women about what they should do with their bodies? 100% yes. It's their life and they are free to do whatever.

Are there consequences to promiscuity? Yes.

Will a lot of attractive men look at this type of behavior and go "nah, I wouldn't wife up this chick in a million years"? Also yes.

Changing this is as realistic as changing women's desire for strength or masculinity. An uphill, pointless battle.

Just a bunch of lost souls crying into the darkness, as if anyone is going to care about what they have to say.

BananaB0yy · 2024-08-02T18:04:09+00:00

why is so much of this sub about "how could the world change for losers to get laid more without changing anything about themselves?" lol

SaBahRub · 2024-08-02T16:35:12+00:00

That would be a world without ambition, social awareness or hypocrisy

In other words, unimaginable

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OtPayOkerSmay · 2024-08-03T17:45:51+00:00

What you fail to mention, possibly because you simply don't understand, is that women are the biggest slutshamers. Sluts keep chads riding on the never-commit carousel, so this has an impact on the pool of options for women.

BadMuch2033 · 2024-08-03T18:00:43+00:00

Shame is a healthy emotion that protects from unhealthy outcomes. They correspond to the violation of intuitive boundaries.

ScarletRedShadow · 2024-08-02T20:01:47+00:00

Outside of this sub there isn't a whole lot of slut shaming going on.

The more progressive the country the less of it there is.

PrettyBoysenberry867 · 2024-08-02T17:58:51+00:00

A world without slut shaming would be amazing, but it needs to be approached from a gender equitable perspective if we want it to actually change. Slut shaming is perpetuated by men and women jealous of the sex that others are having. We often relegate it to insecure men shaming women, but women claiming that men's sexual appetites is a sign of disrespect is also a form of slut shaming, and pushes men to slut shame those women to reaffirm their own respectability.

Title	Imagine a world without slutshaming
Author	Jazzlike_Worth_9908
Upvotes	0
Comments	148
Date	August 2, 2024 12:21 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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