CMV : RP's standards mainly filter out high libido/mutual attraction and lead to transactional relationships/ dead bedroom and is a terrible dating tactic

WilliamWyattD · 2023-05-04T06:33:20+00:00

There is no one TRP. But yes, if you filter for very low body count in today's SMP, you may also end up filtering for many bad things that could contribute to a low body count. It makes more sense to avoid excessive (by today's standards) promiscuity.

That said, if promiscuity were more actively discouraged then there would be a lot more benefits to filtering for low N Count.

As for money and status, they do have an impact on actual female desire. However, as you say, they have a much bigger impact on women's choice of mate rather than their sexual desire for him. If you rely too much on status/money, then you are more likely to get a woman who has chosen you for security or lifestyle, and not because she is attracted to you.

If you are not exceptionally attractive or charismatic, but have money and status, you should tread carefully. I would personally not get the best looking women I can get, but go down in looks so as to be more likely to get a woman who is truly attracted to you. Or use your resources to improve your game and appearance so their level is closer to that of your status and money.

TheRedPillRipper · 2023-05-03T23:16:08+00:00

i see no positives

Lifting is one of the first things TRP promotes. That’s positive. Making bank. Honing your social skill. Grooming, and dressing well. Having solid boundaries.

TRP isn’t about filtering out choice. It’s empowering it.

Godspeed and good luck!

Reptheft · 2023-05-03T23:08:09+00:00

RP theory only strictly advises you to avoid women who slept with a bunch of men casually but want you to wait.

If she's consistent (ex. low N and only ever had sex in relationships, or high N and wants to sleep with you right away) it's fine.

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-05-04T17:13:38+00:00

This is more trad con, from RP I’ve seen more of the sentiment that it’s bad if she doesn’t sleep with you right away, but they also don’t want a woman with a high body count. Which basically eliminates most women, and will automatically filter for high-n since you won’t usually even know her body count and you’ll just get women who tend to have sex on the first date. Which can be okay, but not if you have an issue with n count.

The rest I mostly agree with. The worst part is RP filters for women with poor self-esteem and mental health problems and in some cases attempts to cause those problems. For example, “dread game” - no healthy person is going to respond well to thinking their partner might cheat or could be cheating. Never apologize? Anyone worth anything (or with any sense of self-worth) knows when you owe them an apology and expects one.

my_alt_has_alts · 2023-05-03T23:04:07+00:00

Can you send me a link to where you got these standards from? Like an EC post on TRP or something

UnusualInjury5506 · 2023-05-04T00:11:30+00:00

As always the people who are against the red pill don’t actually listen to or understand it. The red pill strategy is to be the best man you can be in as many aspects as possible so that you can have as many options as possible. Then pick a woman who meets your standards who is genuinely attracted to you. It makes clear that only the men with the highest sexual market place value men can truly have their pick. The less sexual value you have the less options you have and the higher the chance that you have to settle. The red pill does not have or offer standards it simply states the nature of men and women. Men are not attracted to women who they perceive 304s. Men generally find women with lower body counts more attractive. The acceptable number of previous partners varies from man to man. It does not say women are 304s for sleeping on the first date. It simply highlights issue men have with 304s making men wait when they’ve slept with other men who have put in less effort.

Most women care about how much money a man makes. General the more money a man makes the more options he has and the same with status. It does not tell men to lead with their wallet it just tells them that it matters to women.

There is a transactional element to all relationships and that is a fact. Most women would divorce their husbands if they couldn’t provide. They may tolerate it for a while but they won’t tolerate it forever.

SootyBlueGlass · 2023-05-04T13:20:50+00:00

I agree but I think the whole point of RP existing is that some men don't have access to that mutual attraction and genuine interest you're talking about so they take the next best thing

thisreallyisnotok · 2023-05-04T03:57:54+00:00

God I really hope there was data about how often redpilled men get cheated on. Sometimes I feel like that insecurity partially drives a lot of the logic behind the movement

nemma88 · 2023-05-04T08:20:25+00:00

RP's standards

Low N is not really a RP standard. It was introduced by the Blackpill and Incels.

Standard LTR advice was to spin plates, and when you find a plate worthy you can LTR if that's what you want (but RP didn't really give much LTR advice as it wasnt the primary discussion). RP was actually more grounded in the situation, vet the women not a statistic. RP considered N count questions irrelevant because AWALT.

VehementlyDrawn · 2023-05-03T22:52:14+00:00

Whether you want it to happen or not, your money matters. Like even if a woman is RP aligned or not, she cares about your money. So there is no way to avoid the BB aspect of relationships.

I guess you could lie and say you're flat broke and drive a padiddle but in reality what would happen is you'd pre-disqualify yourself from higher value women.

dowehavetoreally · 2023-05-03T23:58:07+00:00

You have it backwards.

Blue Pill teaches the "value" of the beta-male transactional relationship.

Red Pill teaches the folly of this approach, and ways men can avoid it.

CapsuleCorpLogo · 2023-05-04T00:49:00+00:00

Three positive things I took away from the few red pill videos I’ve watched is to 1)Lift weights 2) Make your small dent in the world 3) Avoid dating single moms

Ok_Tomorrow_3963 · 2023-05-03T22:45:16+00:00

Hoes are ok for casual sex, modest girls are ok for LTRs (or casual sex if they want to explore with you).

I don't see RP men saying that every single woman must be modest, or taht every single woman must give it up right away. I do see a lot of hoes insisting that they shouldn't be judged for their past and changing it up to making guys wait, that shit won't fly.

And that's where a lot of the disagreements come from. You've got a generation of 30 something year olds who have fucked around in their 20s, and are finding out now that it's hard to find a good relationship when they try to make guys wait. Good

januaryphilosopher · 2023-05-04T05:05:30+00:00

There's a difference between having a high libido, being attracted to someone and sleeping with them immediately. You certainly don't filter the first two out by excluding the latter.

Cactus2711 · 2023-05-04T01:50:03+00:00

RP specifically says you never lead with your money. You should learn this stuff before spouting off about it

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-05-04T10:39:34+00:00

The main critics of RP always say that the "good women" aren't attracted too looks, money, status.

That's just straight bullshit. Every women is attracted to looks, money and status. Even the "good women" who these people mythologize.

I'd say 99% of marriages would fall apart if the husband stop making any money. Clearly all women care about how much you make. Suprise, Suprise! Even the ones who say they don't.

Even me, when I was younger the girls I liked would always pine after the clear dickhead jock on the football team. Highschool is a good annecdoate most people can relate too. Cause almost every highschool had the same dynamic.

No women wants to date a looser. Whether they are asain, white, kind, mean, humble, narristic, etc... Every women wants a winner.

Same argument is used against passport bros. That somehow these women in America would love them for more than the lifestyle they could provide. Women in America are no different than Women anywhere else in the world. Even more generally people in general... Most shallow af.

Rfupon · 2023-05-04T12:12:45+00:00

Filter out high libido? Don't you understand nothing about TRP? Having sex early and often are qualities number 1 and 2 we look for

nicethingyoucanthave · 2023-05-04T18:52:33+00:00

My attempt to change your view is to point out that the claims you make in your post don't actually come from TRP.

Do you disagree? If so, please link me to a few posts in TRP that you're disagreeing with so that I can see what you're talking about in context.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2023-05-03T23:03:30+00:00

Coupled with using money and status in order to get women is imo a terrible dating tactic. It weeds out any genuine interest.

This is myth. The lifestyle that comes from having money and high status is a turn on for women.

If i was unable to make her cum i'd definitely worry

Sounds like you got one who cums easily, so "making her cum" probably isn't that much of an accomplishment.

Maybe weeding out genuine attraction is actually the end goal. Would make sense for someone who believes he cant generate that in a women.

You're playing fast and loose with "genuine attraction."

I tend to screen for women who have high sexual interest, too. But that's because I've been promiscuous, and I don't really care about a woman's n-count.

However

The fantasy of TRP is best stated as finding a girl with a low bodycount that the man can then cause to have a sexual awakening. He can be her alfalfa. That's the undercurrent of those requirements IMHO.

Further, women who wait awhile to have sex with someone aren't necessarily "not attracted" to their potential partner.

Scarce12 · 2023-05-04T23:24:04+00:00

Women lose interest in sex in a committed relationship.

I've not seen any research indicating that a high n-count indicates that a woman then holds a higher interest in relationship sex, and higher sexual satisfaction.

In fact, the only research I've seen, is that women who are highly social-sexual and have high n-counts, report higher levels of sexual dissatisfaction in a relationship.

Second wave feminists argued that men have a Madonna-Whore complex, well women have one too, and TRP is a response to this.

And women with Madonna-Whore complexes will delay sex for the "husband material" and will and will be secretly promiscuous.

Apprehensive_Boat_70 · 2023-05-04T00:34:19+00:00

Hmmm, im far as im concerned what the redpill says is that your status and money is what makes you attractive to women, nothing else will, thats why it is called the red pill, cuz it is rather an uncomfortable and harsh reality, is not an standard, is the only way women will value you as a man,

Regarding dead bedrooms thats strange too cuz the redpill doesnt advocates for marriage, just casual sex, it is up to the individual what to do with it, some men try to stay in relationships as long as they get some, other make it an standard to only date modest women who have no history, redpill isnt an ideology or movement or way of life, it tries to explain the truth about dating, relationships and women like a book of physics explains the laws of thermodynamics,

Regardless, dead bedrooms have happened to men who have married high n women, there are many high n women who also chase after clout, money, status, if im going to get used by my money rather get used by a virgin than a high n bitch who pretends to be modest, of course this is not ideal but if have to settle then this is what i rather take, not that it makes a difference anyways since women can just lie about it so a guy might as well just spin plates for the rest of his life.

Redpill has become an strawman at this point.

ComfortableOk5003 · 2023-05-04T01:13:51+00:00

Tell me you didn’t actually understand RP, without telling me…

LingonberryGood3915 · 2023-05-03T23:06:46+00:00

your argument is flawed, because the primary motivation should be family and community, not sex. sex should be a byproduct of being attractive enough and liking each other for their role and need.

relationship based on sexual attraction doesnt work primarily doesnt work. it needs to be based on a non impulsive, non sexual, rational choice to commit to something above the individual, and attractiveness should be there to glue people together.

a woman who dates people for sexual attraction, exitement and emotion is guaranteed to leave you because its natural to loose attraction and there is always someone better and new available.

Epiphanic_Eros · 2023-05-04T13:31:07+00:00

Totally agree. This RP stuff, and so much of sexual/dating norms in the US, are completely made up bullshit.

People should date widely, and learn to trust their gut. Life is not a video game

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2023-05-04T04:49:48+00:00

You sound very young, so I'll go easy on you. Everything you described is perfectly fine for a short term relationship but everything you think doesn't matter (body count, sexual history and a lack of sexual discipline) manifests itself in a long term relationship. Keep living and give me a call in five years and we'll see if you still feel the same way.

AidsVictim · 2023-05-04T16:02:02+00:00

Asking for a girl with a low bodycount,who never had any casual relationships, who wont fuck with you until 5+ date etc etc or she's deemed a worthless 304

That isn't RP, that's trad.

RP has no problem with having casual sex with "sluts" (high n count women) it just says don't have relationships with them.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-05-05T03:15:25+00:00

The thing you said isn't RP, it's grifter talking points.

RP used to just say "girls go for hot guys, be hot asap"

BullfrogKind5123 · 2023-05-04T02:28:42+00:00

One thing I have to say on the topic is men who try to weed out 304s to avoid potential problems are literally creating themselves the problems they are trying to solve. Anybody who spoke with virgins knows that these bitches are a literal headache: there is some serious reasons why they stayed this way until 23. Men, if you think that 304s will compare you to Chad, I’ll disappoint you: virgin will compare you to some dude that she pictured herself ever since she started menstruating, and that doesn’t even exist.

Atomic_Thr0away · 2023-05-04T16:25:18+00:00

All relationships are transactional.

It might start all hot and heavy but the transactions have to keep going after the honeymoon phase.

The honeymoon phase ends. Transactions, specifically financial transactions, and even more specifically financial transactions from him to her, can go on long after she cuts off sex or leaves altogether.

And I highly impulsive high libido high body count woman can find herself caught up in the heat but then once the heat wears off she's bored and wants to leave to find some new excitement but she wants to keep the financial benefits that she received.

If you're being prudent and looking for a long-term relationship it's best to stick with a woman with a lower libido or a lower impulsivity level and make sure that she knows how to measure when transacting. Yep it doesn't sound all that hot and sexy but it sure is a safer bet if you're looking into marriage and children.

Barneysparky · 2023-05-03T23:09:50+00:00

Does your girlfriend enjoy your company? Do you get into arguments often (more than once a month)? Do you talk daily? If you have those bases covered like likelihood of being cheated on is small.

Do you go on a date every week or so, and don't talk much in-between? Your risk is higher, as neither of you are cemented into the relationship.

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Title	CMV : RP's standards mainly filter out high libido/mutual attraction and lead to transactional relationships/ dead bedroom and is a terrible dating tactic
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