There are 3 genders in dating: High-value men (HVM), Women, and Low-value men (LVM).... And it seems like the HVMs, and LVMs have more practical approaches than Women.

wtknight · 2026-05-13T02:14:39+00:00

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fiftypoundpuppy · 2026-05-11T22:15:08+00:00

I find the take that everything men do is borne of logic and reason, and everything women do is borne of brainwashing and popularity an ironically solipsistic male take that uses its own bias to reinforce and justfy its conclusions. When you start off with the idea that men are de facto logical, everything you think about male behavior will be filtered through that lens and vice-versa for female behavior.

However, actual reason would lead you to the conclusion that as men and women are part of the same species - and, notably, women give birth to males - the idea that the same species would have their propensity to act in rational self-interests is the only conclusion that makes sense. The capacity to be human is not entirely contained within the Y chromosome. There's zero reason why the ability to reason and act in one's self-interests must necessarily be restricted to only one sex. The fact that the sexes have different reproductive strategies isn't borne from male "practicality" and female "impracticality," it is borne from the nature of those differences.

So this post is akin to denying that each gender's reproductive strategies make sense for their goals. Women have no reason to be given the same advice men get, because women do not have the same risk/reward ratios as men.

Your feelings about that, as a so-called "red-pilled man," do not change those facts. Allegedly red pill at a certain point was about accepting those "truths" of female reproductive strategy, but now I suppose it's about complaining that they exist at all and trying to portray them as unreasonable and unfair. And also I guess must be artificially created by "corporations" lmao

Purple_Cruncher_123 · 2026-05-11T22:09:09+00:00

Wait, you think men were the first to do what is essentially looksmaxxing? Brooooooo.

Your forum example is also limited because women by and large strategize and seek community/venting in person and not on chat boards. I would even say that the type to blow up FSD or 2X are highly unrepresentative of your average woman in the dating pool. My wife for example finds relationships and dating to be interesting topics, does not browse any of these subs. She thinks I’m a bit insane at times chatting or debating with strangers on these personal things.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2026-05-11T22:46:36+00:00

This whole thing reads like terminally online men trying to turn dating into an RPG because normal human interaction isn’t going well for them.

“HVM” and “LVM” aren’t genders. They’re just labels men made up to rank each other and cope with rejection. And acting like the manosphere is mostly “self improvement” is insane when half the content is just endless obsessing over women, feminism, body counts, hypergamy, divorce, and why they’re mad.

Meanwhile women apparently “have no strategy” because they’re not sitting in forums inventing acronyms and pseudo-science to explain why someone didn’t text them back.

Also the irony of calling women “corpo influenced” while manosphere guys are buying courses, supplements, coaching, crypto garbage, alpha male subscriptions, and “how to get women” programs from single podcast dudes with ring lights is incredible.

KayRay1994 · 2026-05-11T22:07:35+00:00

Aside from the fact that literally none of what you describe falls into ‘gender’ as a term…. What?….

Like you start off with this whole “men implement all these intricate strategies depending on their pill gender, but women, the woman gender? They’re cooperate sellouts who have everything handed to them”

Like none of this is analysis. Say nothing of the fact that manosphere and TRP creators are mainstream as well, and even outside of that men have a series of mainstream figures they follow as well.

This kinda broke my brain ngl

NiaMiaBia · 2026-05-11T22:03:53+00:00

“Whereas women don't seem to have much of a plan.”

——-> A plan for what?

“Mens spheres tend to focus on self improvement and strategies for finding mates.”

——-> This is pure lies.

“Womens sphere (often 💙BP/feminist) focus on self acceptance and glorification, heavy push for therapy, and gaslighting of opposing perspective especially that of manosphere. Not much is focused on for finding success.”

——-> How would you know any of this?

Fondacey · 2026-05-11T22:20:14+00:00

And men wonder why they repel women when they concoct this poppycock.

QuestioningThink · 2026-05-11T23:13:00+00:00

If only young men put the amount of effort it takes to write pure nonsense and misogyny like this online all day into their education, professional lives, having actually fulfilling male friendships and hobbies we would be finally be able to advance as a society.

ta06012022 · 2026-05-12T02:49:01+00:00

HVM apply ❤️TRP

Attractive men who are naturals with women are the least likely to employ red pill tactics. It's not necessary.

-mixedsignals · 2026-05-12T00:42:49+00:00

Men discovered going to the gym 10 minutes ago while women have been "looksmaxxing" since literally forever.

There's a gazillion media content about fitness, skin care, fashion, hair, botox, plastic surgery, make up, filters, diets, by women for women. But sure, only men are looksmaxxing lol

Also what's there for women to do other than vetting? We also have a million content creators giving their opinions on how to vet men better

Lift_and_Lurk · 2026-05-11T22:45:38+00:00

So what is a HVM? How do you calculate it out?

MllePerso · 2026-05-11T22:52:28+00:00

If I understand your flood of acronyms correctly, you're saying that hetero male dating discourse tends to focus on strategies to find a woman, whereas hetero female dating discourse does not focus on strategies to find a man. This is exactly what you'd expect when one gender is socially conditioned to be the pursuers in the early stages of dating, and the other is socially conditioned to do more to maintain the relationship quality once actually in it. A lot of the female discourse you're describing is really about women telling other women in crappy relationships/situationships to leave.

wtknight · 2026-05-11T23:17:07+00:00

Women's approach is very practical. Labor strikes do often work. This approach definitely works as there are fewer sources for "alternative labor" for men to "strike break" when it comes to dating compared to in the labor market. Passport bros are the only ones who seek a solution like this, but traveling to another part of the world is not a convenient solution and has its own complications independent of the quality of the women in those other places.

Trying to tell women that their approach to get men to improve by dropping out of the dating market is not effective smells more of a psychological operation than an actual criticism of their approach.

middleoftheroad133 · 2026-05-12T04:23:39+00:00

Because women’s issues are different than men’s

Women’s issue in dating are that there are not enough quality men to go around. As a woman you could look max or femme max or education max or youth max or whatever , it doesn’t matter there aren’t enough men. So there’s less focus on self improvement and more focus on vetting

TheKindlyPoltergeist · 2026-05-11T22:09:12+00:00

Assigning men and women value is why men and women are so miserable dating.

toasterchild · 2026-05-11T22:24:35+00:00

Depends on what you define success as. Its almost like women and men don't typically have the same goals and priorities.

drelevonne · 2026-05-12T13:17:03+00:00

Why do all the women get put in one group?

NoClerk951 · 2026-05-11T22:08:12+00:00

There is some truth to what OP said but the majority of what he wrote sounds like blabbering of a schizophrenic person

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Axis_Control · 2026-05-12T08:30:04+00:00

If you think HVM know what redpill or blackpill is you are wrong lmao

Sea-Rip3902 · 2026-05-12T14:06:43+00:00

I’m a LVM according to women. I’m not tall or handsome. I think women are kinda evil imo. They have brought me nothing but misery, sadness, and bad dreams. Nowadays I avoid contact as much as I can. Being free from women has helped me a lot

Outside_Memory5703 · 2026-05-12T15:18:34+00:00

That is not gender

Words have meanings

And using AI is unattractive

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2026-05-12T00:48:36+00:00

I think a big reason why this happens because men are more solution based in our thoughts process and women are more emotional in that aspect. For example, a man who wants to improve his dating life literally asks what works and does a trial and error until he finds a solution for his problem, whether that be the red pill, black pill, self improvement, lowering his standards MGTOW or becoming a Passport Bro. Women on the other hand want solutions that line up with their emotions or beliefs.

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