Q4TRP: What parts of TRP do you disagree with?

reluctantly_red · 2018-08-18T16:50:03+00:00

The assertion that women shouldn't have careers makes zero sense to me.

cxj · 2018-08-18T20:25:47+00:00

That anything politically will make much difference in Men’s sex lives.

That virgins will pair bond better than sluts due to virginity.

That marrying a young virgin after spinning plates a good idea, let alone achievable for most men.

That marrying a SAHM in a country with divorce laws/statutes/whatever is a good plan today.

The Personalized insights into why women behave the way they do.

That STEM is a good career choice for the player lifestyle.

blackedoutfast · 2018-08-18T19:56:42+00:00

the circlejerk over career and money and "muh mission" when the "mission" is something lame and betaish like getting IT certifications or maxing out their 401k contributions.

i'm not saying those things are bad, and we should be trying to be more successful and all.

but that focusing on those things isn't a particularly AF thing to do, and it's not going to make panties very wet.

what's happening is that more and more betaish guys, nerdy IT guys, Pajeets, etc are finding TRP and deciding to to start following a RP path in life.

but most of these guys are already doing fairly well at work or school. they're already being fiscally responsible. those are their strengths. what they should be doing is focusing on their weaknesses - they need to be hitting the gym and getting fit and maybe consider spending some time and money on making their lives a little more fun and interesting.

but these guys see "muh mission" and the work/career/money aspects of TRP and latch onto them because it allows them to remain in their comfort zone. they know they've spent most of their lives as BP betas and want to be RP alphas, but instead of actually making changes to truly become RP alphas, they merely reinterpret aspects of TRP in a way that allows them to keep doing whatever BP beta shit they've been doing, but imagining that they're doing RP alpha shit.

passepar2t · 2018-08-18T16:39:37+00:00

Apparently, if you're not a hardcore pro-Trump 'conservative,' you're not really Red Pill. This is stupid.

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-08-18T17:52:54+00:00

That you shouldn’t seek monogamy. Plate spinning is fun and everything but it’s more work than it is worth in the long term.

lucky_beast · 2018-08-18T21:52:27+00:00

Disagree with as in think are flat out incorrect I would say the literalist interpretations of AWALT and the wall. The idea you can bully women into being sexually attracted to you. Being super alpha will cause you to be a winner in all social situations.

Disagree with as in not my cup of tea I don't care if a girl is promiscuous (not like I'm going to marry anyways) and I don't think she's morally flawed or a bad person. I have no desire to spin plates since I'm a serial monogamist. I'm really not into the bro conservative stuff you get from people like gaylubeoil or general macho posturing.

Also every single fucking "field report" is cringelord thatHappened fanfic. No, you didn't get some 20 year old HB9 at the nightclub you're a vip at to have a threesome with you just by being aloof. Those kinds of posts and the "Don't forget to lift!" posts from kids who have been doing Starting Strength for two weeks and the cringe "how tos" from the Vasily guy are why I might look at the actual trp sub once in a blue moon now. Goddam it's so cringey.

I don't know if I'd call it red pill specifically, but it exists in the altright crowd of the red pill, but all the racist, homophobic, and transphobic stuff is not for me either. There's less of that on the trp sub itself than just elsewhere on the internet though.

[deleted] · 2018-08-19T00:24:04+00:00

Coming from a MRP perspective:

That women are the oldest teenager in the house.

Most women are running the house while their husbands come home from their shitty dead end jobs and crack open a 6 pack and park their assess in front of the PlayStation for the night.

The motte/baily of AWALT.

I fully support passive dread, but active dread is just flat out abuse. If you can only get your wife to fuck you because she's afraid you'll fuck some other chick, that's pretty weak.

I support the captain/first mate dynamic, but to many men want to make huge decisions without consulting with the wife first. That's making major life changes for her too.

Pope_Lucious · 2018-08-18T20:13:01+00:00

There is irony with posting AWALT arguments on an Internet forum which self-selects for “NT” women.

Most women in this sub are atypical. Reddit is where you will see the least AWALT behavior yet hear the most venting about AWALT.

Taipanshimshon · 2018-08-18T18:02:39+00:00

First of all - being stoic does not mean not having emotion. So if that’s how you’re going to interpret something ( off the bat wrong) - there is nothing to discuss

ElbowStrike · 2018-08-19T02:12:10+00:00

TRP is a great description of women with B-cluster personality disorders and otherwise emotionally immature women.

Basically teenagers, women in their early twenties, and women who've never had to deal with real life shit yet to smack the puppy out of them.

abaxeron · 2018-08-19T00:00:18+00:00

I mainly disagree with the notion (maybe not as prevalent on the TRP subreddit but occasionally emitted by the "gurus") that stable relationship is possible if you find the women's cheat code, or as it was once put on MGTOW subreddit, "women don't care about politics if you screw them right" (which was shopped onto a picture of male black widow spider). In fact, while many radfems use the high reoffending by men and enormous amount of first-timers among female offenders as an indicator of male broken-ness or something, I consider it a red flag for women. For a woman to avoid getting trapped in relationship with an abuser, she mostly just needs to avoid men who committed abuse in the past, and anywhere up to 80-90 percent of the risk is gone. The same advice doesn't work for men; you can have all the self-control and know all the game in the world, and it still may not help if she decides to take advantage of her situation.

Jokengonzo · 2018-08-18T18:56:04+00:00

You shouldn’t play video games (f that) and the whole constant pursuit of sex as the main driving goal for life

[deleted] · 2018-08-18T20:00:08+00:00

. I personally feel like it's more like 75% to 80%.

Hum... where do you live? Couldn't that be just statistical variance? Its not like it is 95% everywhere (I see as 90% where I live, Brazil) but it is always a great majority of behavior correct?

NalkaNalka · 2018-08-18T20:25:30+00:00

Just about everything that is prescriptive rather than descriptive. Then take the remaining descriptive parts and filter them through the edgelord to English dictionary and what you are left with is what I agree with.

Ubermensch-1 · 2018-08-19T02:53:13+00:00

"Spinning plates" is not an effective strategy and is more useful for draining the "spinner's" wallet and time than it is for attracting more women.

Having a couple women who hang around you to prove you're not a rapist is useful. Maintaining any degree of a serious relationship with them is not.

chazthundergut · 2018-08-20T15:49:19+00:00

You are naturally outgoing and funny, but did that translate into sex with the quality of women that you wanted?

I tend to be outgoing and funny too. But I started to hold back and do less "entertaining" and it has helped me quite a bit.

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above_theclouds_ · 2018-08-20T14:27:23+00:00

I think there is alot of truth in the red pill. What I really dislike are the people there and the discussion culture. Everyone acts like he can teach you anything about the world, because he got in the panties of a girl once while he actually still lives at home and has no job. I'm exeggeratting of course.

genethedog · 2018-08-19T14:25:49+00:00

I also think I'm naturally outgoing, personable and can be funny at times. However here's the rub.

Women's brains are relatively easy to set off in one direction or another and their brains also hate change once they, more or less, become accustomed to something.

Their brains figure out, if i press A, C happens, if I press B, Q happens and so on. 95% of the time, this works just fine for them. But when it doesn't, their confusion turns to frustration, then to anger, then they lash out and blame the person or machine. They don't stop and reflect, start over, or adjust their strategy. They feel like they don't have to due to their entitlement complex and aversion to abstract thinking and refusal to do work.

This leads to problems for the outgoing person. It causes problems for the stoic person too, but I'll get to that.

The outgoing guy can get them excited. Women LOVE fun and excitement (this can also be called drama). They do prefer the 'good' drama, but will take the bad drama is there is no good to be had or if they get bored of it.

If you're the fun, extrovert, outgoing guy, this can be very attractive to them. They see confidence and they know that most of the time, they can count on you for a fun exciting time.

You are usually the leader and they like that too. It makes decisions so easy for them. Just hang out with you, you take care of everything, you lead, and they always end up having a good time... well, until they get bored. And they will.

They are watching every move you make and sooner or later they will start to be able to predict your behaviour. When this happens, they don't feel a challenge anymore. They have decided they figured you out and even if the fun times are objectively the same level of fun, they will start to get bored anyway. Even if it's a different restaurant every time, they will still know and be able to predict, for example, that you'll strike up a conversation with the waiter with a light hearted joke or something like that.

When they get bored, they never ask themselves why they are bored or if they are being reasonable in this feeling. It becomes your problem and they will want to 'fix' it somehow.

Perhaps this comes in comments like 'do you always have to.... ' with the insinuations that you are predictable and even annoying. She will start to take the stand that "you can't take him anywhere" (she's embarrassed) and/or "he's never serious" and shit like that.

They will always want to tame/temper your behavior and it will always come with some sort of shaming tactic.

The flip side of all this is the stoic man. They can't "read" you. They fucking HATE that but they want to figure you out anyway so they will poke and prod to try and get a reaction out of you. All of this is in an attempt to figure out how to push your buttons in a certain sequence to get certain reactions from you. But yet, you don't react. So then instead of A, C, D, D, they may try A, D, C, D... oh that didn't work either... oh, C, A, D, B, that didn't work either.

Now they think you're fucking with them. Now they will think you're acting/pretending or they will go with the shaming thoughts of 'is he autistic' and/or 'he's emotionally unavailable". This is because at least one of those 3 combinations has pretty much always worked before.

The amount of time she will tolerate this and the number of attempts they will try all depend on your SMV. But this challenge to them provides far more entertainment value to them than the guy that displays everything like the outgoing/extrovert who makes it so easy.

Women want to believe they can reduce a man to tricks like a dog. Push this, he does that. But at the very same time, they are never careful what they ask for because once they 'get it' they are bored.

I, along with most men (I believe) value consistency. To us, being predictable is a good thing. To us, it's how we can build trust. To women, it dries up their pussy.

The key is to be able to do both because girls don't feel comfortable or enchanted/excited/interested in the stoic guy at the end of the bar unless he's clearly a bad ass alpha that's high in SMV. They are also not interested in the guy who's too easy to read. You're not going to get girls interested by sitting by yourself being stoic. Well, that's not true exactly. They'll be interested, just not in the way you'd want. They will point out to their friends or the bartender or the alpha that "the guy at the end of the bar is a creep."

In the beginning they have to be excited and intrigued by you. You have to be somewhat, the fun/outgoing guy. However, the push pull principles apply. If the first night she met you, you were the fun outgoing guy, the next time you have to be the stoic guy. This can be accomplished by making her wait a long time before you call after getting her number.

And it can be all-to-easy to have that second meeting and start to naturally have fun and even that might work. But she's already believing she's got you figured out. If she figures you for the "fun guy", she will put you in that box and not only will you almost always feel compelled to stay in that box, to keep her entertained, she will want to keep you in that box too.

If you are fun a few times and now you're in the fun box, and then she comes over one time and you're not in a very good mood or just not as fun and perhaps you don't have money to go out and you just want to netflix and chill, this will irritate her and may even downright turn her off depending on your SMV. Once women think they've figured you out, they don't like change. And especially not in the UP to DOWN direction.

This is why women like a 'broken' man. If he's down (not necessarily emotionally but he's in a weakened or vulnerable state) or has a criminal record or his parents just died in a horrible car wreck, then they feel like they are in the power position. They feel they can help him and that he need's them more than they need him. They have a project.

When the man seems like he's got no problems at all, they like the confidence and the fun and shit, but it holds a mirror up to them and they feel like they are in the weak position and he doesn't need them. They know that, with this man, all they can really bring to the table is their pussy. This reminds them how little value they, and the average women, brings to the table. And they fucking hate that. If you are high enough SMV to keep them interested, they will actively try to find a 'problem' or even incite one, just to have the drama and a problem to fix. And no matter how small this problem is, they will make it their one point of focus and it will become this MASSIVE mountain because they have nothing else to focus on.

The stoic man reveals nothing to them. They are constantly guessing and trying to figure him out, fix him, and bring him UP. But not too far. If all of a sudden he's floating again and everything turns around and starts going his way, this holds up a mirror to them again and they begin to resent him and feel they are owed something.

It's funny how when a woman does help a man, how much she feels she's owed something. But when the situation is reversed, they don't give a shit about what you did. "I don't owe you anything" is the refrain. They will repeat this over and over in their heads until it becomes crystallized.

[deleted] · 2018-08-19T18:09:35+00:00

That a woman’s “number” has something to do with how attached she is capable of getting.

That makes zero sense to me (22F). I don’t care about my partner’s number but the opposite makes sense in my head: if you have to fuck the same person for the rest of your life you want them experienced, right? The whole “number” thing screams insecurity to me.

themormonchurch · 2018-08-19T01:02:13+00:00

women should work. sahm's are fucking leaches, it's inefficient, and their children would be much better off at a halfway decent daycare than staying home with 95% of america's mothers
women are not as horny as men. they simply don't have the hormones for it. they will always happily give it up to alphas though for two reasons: a. as an attempt to lock him down (they usually start doing this after they turn 25), or b. to tangibly confirm their desirability among that demographic--meaning validation (before they turn 25)
af/bb is bullshit. there's plan a and plan b. plan a is to marry a true alpha, plan b is to marry a successful beta if plan a fails. but they never forget plan a, and all the post-wall, former hotties who cheat on beta bob with chad are simply still trying to lock down chad--they're just not able to. chad sees them only as pump and dump
all the trump love. trump is actually ten times cooler and better than they give him credit for on TRP. fuck all you bitch ass pussy mother fuckers who say otherwise. trump forever

Title	Q4TRP: What parts of TRP do you disagree with?
Author	Kaz__Kaan
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Date	August 18, 2018 4:34 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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