With so many modern/strong/intelligent women in my life, is it possible for me to accept TRP even if I genuinely wanted to?

IIHotelYorba · 2017-06-07T05:41:26+00:00

Really? None of you guys have figured this one out? Ok I'll say it:

How hot are they?

Probably not very. This is why "alpha female" bullshit is retarded. It's like being the tallest midget. I'm not even that RP either but so far this seems like an easy answer.

NalkaNalka · 2017-06-07T00:24:44+00:00

You only mention technical characteristics like looks and money. You are only looking at half the puzzle then declaring that it's missing pieces.

Game, personality, masculinity, social circle, humor and last and most importantly level of effort.

sublimemongrel · 2017-06-07T02:41:07+00:00

None of your examples are that drastically contrary to TRP.

My best female friend from 7th grade is now a lawyer making $250,000 in London one year after graduation from a top law school. Her boyfriend is an anime-loving weirdo who works as an accountant making half her salary but she has genuine love for him.

Why is she making dollars not pounds? According to this study the average pay for a lawyer n the first 5 years is around 59k pounds, so if she is in fact making this much in her first year she is in the top 0.001% of lawyers, she is not anywhere near representative of an average lawyer let alone an average woman.

One of my acquaintances is a "tall dark handsome" type of guy. Like you'd think he has the physique of a professional European soccer player or something. He just graduated dental school. Now, TRP would say his SMV is through the roof and he'd be banging a different hottie every week, but he's been with the same (7/10) girl since undergrad who is a dentist herself, and they just got married.

This is a meaningless example. A high SMV does not correlate it being used. Many athletes and movie stars are married.

prodigy2throw · 2017-06-07T00:35:12+00:00

How do those situations disprove trp?

KrispyMcSockington · 2017-06-07T00:00:06+00:00

If you don't need TRP and are one of the lucky guys who gets female attention and loyalty without too much difficulty, then don't bother. Certain things may help you, such as how to pass the odd shit test, but you have to keep in mind the target audience: men who desire sexual and relationship success with women but absolutely suck at it.

There is a reason why so many BPers cannot fathom the need for a RP mindset. Many of them are women and struggle to understand the challenge many low SMV men face. And BP men who never needed RP concepts to get laid think it is a waste of time. But I don't know how many incels are Bpers here as opposed to some other pill colour. Unattractive men are the bane of their existence because BP leaning folk would rather wave their problems away as entitlement when men all desire some sexual or relationship success.

So no, if it doesn't work for you and you have women in your life who adore you, sleep with you and treat you well then taking on RP ideas would not make sense. If, however, you noticed a trend where your relationships ended in similar fashion or getting a woman's attention is difficult, you may want to consider a different approach.

alreadyredschool · 2017-06-06T23:50:01+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/66irra/limitations_of_smv/

There is your problem.

One of my acquaintances is a "tall dark handsome" type of guy. Like you'd think he has the physique of a professional European soccer player or something. He just graduated dental school. Now, TRP would say his SMV is through the roof and he'd be banging a different hottie every week, but he's been with the same (7/10) girl since undergrad who is a dentist herself, and they just got married.

Is his SMV high? Where does SMV theory become a prescriptive model? Do you really think someone could make a perfect model explaining relationships, pair bonding, sunk cost fallacies in a market like the RMP? This is not a market with perfect information, such an effort would be futile.

I could keep going but you get the idea. My whole life is filled with women like this. Yet TRP paints the picture of a world in which women are "the most intelligent teenager of the house", bratty, catty, vindictive, devoid of empathy.

https://bookofpook.neocities.org/#ch-16

Women as vindictive?

Assess women based on their character, not their beauty/gender

Men are taught from a very early age that in order to be valued in society, they need to bring value to the table. Men focus and hone crafts, trade skills, personality for sales, strength for labor, and a myriad of other value-adding traits.
Do you suppose you should deserve an equal amount of value in the eyes of all if you do not provide something valuable? Or are you making the very simple mistake of believing that having a vagina has somehow equated you to these things?
The problem is that you're used to society saying that because of who you are, you somehow have an intrinsic value. I have just shown you that this is false, there is no intrinsic value beyond that which you have for yourself. Your vagina has given you inflated value to most, since most men are biologically programmed to trip over themselves trying to gain access to one.
We aren't denying that women can bring value to the table. We're just denying that merely having a vagina gets you that value. If you want to be valued by us, you'll have to do it the hard way- the same way we do.
You don't have to though, there are plenty of sex-deprived betas drooling at a chance to worship your vagina. To them you hold value. To us, you're just another person until you've shown us value.

Also women are pretty bad people towards omega guys, which makes TRPs criticisms pretty useless for most normal people.

[deleted] · 2017-06-07T02:22:24+00:00

I work under a woman, married one, and am firmly on the left politically. So, anything's possible.

The only part of TRP you should have any real contradiction with is the idea that women are actually dumber than children. And that doesn't even matter. Understand that women like being "treated like children" in that they like men with an authoritative presence and not in that they're retarded and just call yourself an evolved TRP subscriber or something.

[deleted] · 2017-06-07T00:51:58+00:00

you could; it's not that hard to 'deceive' yourself into thinking a certain way, especially (but not exclusively) when that certain way of thinking helps soothe or justify pain or anger. from your OP though, i see no need for you to do so.

disposable_pants · 2017-06-07T07:14:59+00:00

I know a number of gay Republicans. This doesn't change the fact that gay people largely vote Democrat. Your argument is essentially that you knowing gay Republicans must mean most gay people are Republican.

Eastuss · 2017-06-07T08:58:50+00:00

If you ask my wife's friends, wife is smart, has her shit together, very mature, very fair, ect...

If you ask me, she's a child that is great at faking being an adult.

Your view of the world is just through people's public masks. You know many people that apparently look stable, but you don't know their life, you don't know them in their every day, in their every moments of weakness. You don't know how much their emotions boil and influence them when they're at home with their beloved.

And besides, knowing many great females doesn't make TRP wrong.

So you got a couple friend where the male is obviously higher SMV and others where the male is obviously lower SMV, and you use both as if it was prove that TRP is wrong. I don't get it.

Are you an incel?

exit_sandman · 2017-06-07T11:03:38+00:00

Okay.

nice newborn account. One might think it's an alt. Oh, and you stories might just be you lying your ass off, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt.
this. Read it. If you don't, you're automatically disqualified. I know it's long, but this shouldn't discourage you, because after all, you want to really understand and not just score some cheap jabs, don't you?
You literally haven't told us anything about these women except their profession/qualification and earning potential. Not their looks, not their age, not their dating history, not their personality or anything else that might matter.
You're making the huge mistake of taking what they say at face value. I've made the experience that women can say that they're incredibly in love with their boyfriend with a straight face while they're already on the lookout for an opportunity to branch-swing, or they can say (and at the time truly believe) that he's the best thing since sliced bread even when his shortcomings are obvious for everyone with eyes to see (and also are the reason why they break up somewhere down the road).
What you're describing is a snapshot of their relationships at the moment. Who knows who things will pan out 10 years down the road? 20 years? I've seen relationships that for all intents and purposes looked very happy only to come crashing down for very "awalty" reasons.
Two stories of mine of modern/strong/intelligent/cool women who nevertheless turn out to have their share of AWALT-traits after all. Case study one I've already nailed down elsewhere (read it and don't just pretend you did). Case study two I have to describe in more detail here: She's 25 year old, intelligent, likable, mature, realistic, genuinely cool and nerdy, reasonably attractive (then again who isn't at the age of 25), and has been in a relationship with an equally nerdy STEM-guy for 5 years. The guy looks like piece of modern art (which she is aware of, his only positively remarkable physical trait is that he's 6'5") and is a bit of a doormat to boot, and she constantly tells us she's very much in love with him. Sounds like one of your stories, doesn't it? Except... well, except that once you try to look deeper into it, it becomes obvious that she has a pretty hard case of FOMO and still isn't really sold on the guy. They've already broken up once (of course in her words their relationships was stronger for it), she has the opinion that open relationships aren't really infidelity and already subtly pitched the idea of an having one to him (at least she said that he wasn't on board with it, and how do you get that information without prodding for it?), she already said that he agreed that she has one free cheat should she ever meet her favorite actor, and she wants a black stripper for her stag party (which he's also on board with, and after all this you might get an idea why I say he's a doormat). She knows that the guy is very loyal and stable (contrary to her prior and possibly first boyfriend who cheated on her) and would be a very dependable father even in case they broke up after having a kid (she's pretty lucid about the fact that you can't predict with 100% accuracy that you'll stay together forever)... but I can't shrug off the feeling that if she could do so without repercussions, she would basically freeze their relationship in time, date and sleep around (and possibly upgrade to another guy), and then unfreeze it a few years down the road. And suddenly the modern/intelligent/strong/cool/mature young woman becomes very much AWALT if you know what you have to look for.

Now in light of all this, your three cases:

Okay, she's a high earner and got a partner who... is also a high earner! Who would have guessed. Because even if he "only" does half what she does, he still earns 10k a month. Gee, what a leeching pauper he is! No, seriously, just because a woman will ideally want a guy who earns more doesn't mean that it's a complete non-negotiable, especially if it's exceedingly difficult to find a guy who qualifies for this in the first place. And yeah, regarding genuine love... you can't look into her head, and I have the hunch that you would probably said the same about my two examples above.
TRP says what this guy could do, not what he necessarily does. Besides, having a reasonably attractive and loyal LTR isn't the worst thing that could happen to you if plate-spinning isn't your thing.
Again, you're saying what she has told you. And who knows how she came to the conclusion that the hobbit is the best thing that ever happened to her? Maybe she has only dated Chads and fall on her face over and over again, so she finally settled for a decent but sub-par guy? Of course she might also be an outlier, but given how much information you haven't given us, everything is still on the table.

Glad I could help.

i_have_a_semicolon · 2017-06-07T00:24:58+00:00

I am a purple pill and I agree. The red pill doesn't know good women exist ? Too bad for them.

voteGOPk · 2017-06-07T02:46:33+00:00

One of the things that brings red pill men together is their genuine lack of experience with women in general. It's no coincidence that there is such a high percentage of incels, 40 year old virgins, and guys who have been divorced and now dear they will never have another relationship.

They come to red pill because they don't understand women and they want answers. You, on the other hand, already know a ton of different women in different contexts, so that sets you apart from the average guy who will "swallow".

Think about it. The majority of red pill guys are filling in a VOID in their lives with answers from the sidebar. You would need to erase answers that are already there and rewrite that space with sidebar bullshit. That is the conflict you are having.

[deleted] · 2017-06-07T00:44:14+00:00

What is attracting you to it in the first place? For me, I got stung once too many times and wanted to think a bit deeper about relationships. Having a bunch of friends in happy relationships wasn't helping me. Is there a particular reason you want to evaluate this aspect of your life?

Also,what age is your general social group? You offer little context for your examples.

GameOverTheySaid · 2017-06-07T00:50:09+00:00

Looking through OP's post history, this is the only post. This looks like trolling. The scenarios he talks about don't seem realistic

midnightvulpine · 2017-06-07T11:13:36+00:00

Why do you want to get deeper? There's nothing wrong with cherry picking things that make sense to you from any ideology. To continue your religion analogy, I'm agnostic and I see positive things in religion. And get along well with religious folk. But I have no interest in church or learning more about the nuts and bolts of religion. When they say something I agree with, I keep it in mind. But I leave it a that. There's no reason to force yourself into a box you don't fit into.

the_calibre_cat · 2017-06-07T13:45:31+00:00

With so many modern/strong/intelligent women in my life...

Gonna stop you right there and go ahead and say, "no."

[deleted] · 2017-06-06T23:47:40+00:00

With this in mind, can I ever get to a point where I accept TRP wholly?

It's not necessary. To get the most benefit from TRP you should just gauge and experiment with what dating advice they have works the best for your situation.

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RockinSocksII · 2017-06-06T23:50:07+00:00

Depends what type of women you want.

despisedlove2 · 2017-06-07T00:18:05+00:00

You are confusing RP with TRP.

RP consists of RP Tradcon, RP MGTOW and TRP (aka RP PUA).

ClarityofDisaster · 2017-06-07T00:41:50+00:00

You'll probably always be Purple, having knowledge that while some women are "like that", not all are. Or, as I like to put it, EWALT and EMALT. Enough men and women are "like that" to warrant keeping an eye out and your wits about you.

[deleted] · 2017-06-07T01:38:39+00:00

Can you ask that radiologist what made her attracted to her boyfriend/husband? I need to know how I can get a fighting chance.

SeemedGood · 2017-06-07T10:36:05+00:00

You're young. Observe closely as you age. You'll see.

[deleted] · 2017-06-07T12:14:34+00:00

It's a front to mask their nature. Wait till they're 29-32 years old.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-06-07T13:41:54+00:00

100% of the people you mentioned were nerds in high school. For this population, the blue pill / egalitarian hypothesis fits like a glove. R squared is close to 1.

TRP is about attaining TV style high school popularity: jocks and cheerleaders and getting into jock parties, except its for people aged 25-35. TRP is also filled with proles: it basically is, what would a rapper do.

Like religion and science these are non overlapping magisteria. RP works better in a different environment that is akin to a rap video.

AnalJihadist · 2017-06-07T13:44:51+00:00

you shouldn't accept trp because it's a repugnant cult

namaste

MagicGainbow · 2017-06-07T15:47:42+00:00

None of your examles necessarily disprove trp at all:

''My best female friend from 7th grade is now a lawyer making $250,000 in London one year after graduation from a top law school. Her boyfriend is an anime-loving weirdo who works as an accountant making half her salary but she has genuine love for him.''

You don't mention how he looks and anime isn't that weird anymore, plus as an accountant he possibly has room to grow.

''One of my acquaintances is a "tall dark handsome" type of guy. Like you'd think he has the physique of a professional European soccer player or something. He just graduated dental school. Now, TRP would say his SMV is through the roof and he'd be banging a different hottie every week, but he's been with the same (7/10) girl since undergrad who is a dentist herself, and they just got married.

Just because a man can do something doesn't mean he will...plus the fact hes gotten married is a big tell of how he thinks.

''Another female friend of mine is 1st year radiology resident, so we're talking an alpha career with high six figure potential. Know what her fiance does? Works for HR at a local insurance company. Oh and he's 5'4'' and balding with kind of a potato face. She loves him to death and told me one day while we were drunk that this guy brings her the most peace and happiness she's ever experienced.''

For all we know he could be great in bed, or he could be like many I ve seen in the cuckolding community, ugly guy willing to put up with better wife who sleeps around, also talk is cheap.

zerobones · 2017-06-07T15:56:55+00:00

Ima say no. You cant accept Red pill 100% as a rational human. Its by nature to extreme a view point to be functionaly workable

I have a mom whos a legend

two older sisters

and three beast nieces.

Where i can see female flaws, i cant get around the fact that these women in my life are amazing despite the inherent bullshit they have picked up being women. Thus i cant really turn around and demonise women behaviour the way alot of other RP dudes do.

If my moms out getting sex from one dude while setting up another dude for a LTR by not fucking him, im applauding her.

TRP typically has this weird double standard where women are bashed for doing what the RP strive to do, and have their positive quality skimmed over while the negative is aired out for all to see.

Its basically impossible to separate yourself from the real world facts about women unless you are some sort of shut in (which imo alot of the more extreme red pillers sound like they are)

One of my fave ironic things about all this is that the masculine traits that RP's would celebrate of mine, are quality i learned from my mother, who most RP's would drag under the bus as the problem.

letmepostnowplz · 2017-06-07T18:12:00+00:00

those girls still want a strong chad to rough fuck em breh

[deleted] · 2017-06-07T19:27:03+00:00

It's not anyones job to convince you of anything. Read the material, or don't. Apply it, or don't.

If you find it reflects life in a way you find useful, good on you. If not? Theres no shortage of people who will let you shit all over it for giggles.

[deleted] · 2017-06-07T23:02:28+00:00

Man, stop wasting your time with this shit.

badnews4u · 2017-06-08T16:04:03+00:00

trp is good to introduce you to deeper aspects of how people treat each other. doesnt have to just be about dating. could help you overall and see things you didnt before

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