Q4All: What views and beliefs held by people on this sub do you strongly disagree with?

sublimemongrel · 2017-04-04T14:52:51+00:00

With red pillers:

-That women marry men who are vastly different from the men they used to date. What I see much more often is women generally dating the same "type" of man, and eventually settling down with one of them.

-That most women have one night stands. (NOTE: I do believe most women have casual sex in their youth, I just don't think it typically takes the form of ONS with a stranger.)

-That "high value" men don't marry sluts.

-That average/unattractive women are showered with male attention.

-Just in general, their claims about how women experience attraction (or lack thereof) and sexuality are wayyyy off.

With blue pillers (or many of them, anyway):

-That men and women have similar sex drives.

-That women don't "owe" sex to their husbands.

i_have_a_semicolon · 2017-04-04T16:29:47+00:00

woman have morals when choosing a partner, also some woman select men by personality more than by looks. if real life was like this the MGTOW movement wouldn't exist.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2017-04-04T14:08:21+00:00

That men are capable of unconditional love but women are not, that masculinity is rational and thoughtful whereas femininity is emotional and volcanic, that women have no responsibility in the creation of the present-day gender dynamics of both the SMP/RMP and the gender roles more broadly.

There, two beliefs from each 'side' which I reject.

IamTheWalkingMenu · 2017-04-04T12:00:56+00:00

Women only want Chad. 🇹🇩 Lies.

Eastuss · 2017-04-04T11:28:11+00:00

That the struggles of post-wall women are only a red pill revenge fantasy. (Even some red pillers say that "the wall is softer than you think). I don't agree.

It's easy to say that being single over the age of 30 as a woman is not a problem if you are young, married or live in L.A. or wherever.

For 30+ women who want to settle down, marry or even want to have kids, it's a pure nightmare. (Judging from what I have seen).

BPremium · 2017-04-04T12:22:36+00:00

That womens taste in men varies. Ive seen enough of life to realize thats a huge lie. The vast majority like tall good looking rich guys. The personalities/behaviors/etc of men they profess are so important are nothing more than slight flavor variations of the same damn ice cream. Those behavioral traits are a distant second place to abs.

I disagree with the self improvement peddled in RP as well. Nobody wants to do it, and it takes way too long to get any result. I actually support the new RP stuff that says you may as well give up if you arent Chad from the start. Life is pointless unless you can get what you want without effort, and the quicker people realize that, the better.

bala-key · 2017-04-04T12:57:16+00:00

That asking women about their stated preferences helps understanding the actual intergender dynamics.

This sub likes to pretend that there is no difference between stated and revealed preferences.

goatismycopilot · 2017-04-04T14:30:02+00:00

Stuff I disagree with....women are only attracted to Chad who they also give funky monkey sex to while giving vanilla starfish to beta chumps, women primarily marry betas they are not attracted to for the purpose of reproduction, men are the true romantics, only men can offer unconditional love, only women react based on the feelz, slut tells, average men are happy with any attention a woman gives them and would basically date anybody who is not three hundred pounds with three eyes and have minimal preferences whereas average women want Brad Pitt, the idea of the mythical high value man who has some super power that makes him high value who also coincidentally every TRP guy here, and the moral and emotional superiority of the virgin of either sex.

Alth12 · 2017-04-04T13:02:22+00:00

That anyone has an obligation to have a family and/or that less people doing it is a bad thing.

The alt-right tradcons splurge that all over the place with a lot of emotion.

badnews4u · 2017-04-04T12:19:53+00:00

that looks matter for men. if youre ugly yet confident as hell with men and women in general, it wouldnt matter. by thinking this isnt possible, the ugly guy loses at the start.

plastic surgery level is justified since you look like a deformed human, but not slight or moderate ugliness

cxj · 2017-04-04T14:27:30+00:00

Disagree with Blue Pillers that --

-- Men, in the main, are able and should be able to find women very easily. I think this is a result of Blue Pillers just refusing to see how average men live in 2017 America.

-- NOthing can ever truly be known or predicted about male nature, female nature, how attraction works, etc. That these aspects of intersexual relationships can never be predicted or understood

-- humans and relationships are so infinitely complex and multivaried, such that they don't reflect human nature, the nature of men or women, or how attraction works

-- all a man has to do is just be nice, just be himself, that he doesn't have to change, and that someday a woman will love him just for who he is

-- N doesn't matter at all -- a woman can sleep with 10,000 men, and once she decides to commit, she can do so with no problems at all

-- high N is not indicative of some mental/emotional problem or deficit in a woman

-- A woman's high N has absolutely no effect whatsoever on her later LTR or marriage

Red Pillers:

-- One major disagreement with Red Pill I have, that many others hold that I don't, is the concept of when women hit The Wall and the effect of the Wall on a woman's later prospects. Women are hitting the Wall later and later mostly because of good genes and women taking better care of themselves. The Wall is less like a concrete structure she "hits", and more like a trampoline she "bounces" from or a paper wall she 'breaks'.

cxj · 2017-04-04T19:27:09+00:00

I for example strongly disagree with the importance of n-counts and I think that looks disparity by Hollywood is helping to ruin lives.

I kind of agree here tbh. I always hated movies with Michael Cera, especially Zombieland (the intro was cool and Bill Murray saved the show imo) where some shy, passive normie dude gets a smoking hot babe in a world he would realistically not last 2 minutes. A more realistic depiction was the part of "28 days later" where the UK Marines kidnap and are about to rape both the 25 year old and the 10 year old they find because pussy and who's gonna stop armed men in a Zombie world lol.

That being said

that doesn't give Hollywood an excuse to shirk responsibility for their own actions.

I don't think Hollywood has a responsibility to the public in the way you seem to. They are making films people want to see, they have t heir market research or whatever, they're just giving the people what they want.

cxj · 2017-04-04T20:09:42+00:00

RED

I disagree that there is a universal top 20% of men appealing to all women. Rather, I think it breaks down to the top 20% of various social circles/cultures/scenes, where men who are in the top 20% will have hugely disproportionate options compared to other men within that environment.

The wall exists, but is much softer than TRP thinks. Only a minority of women hitting the wall experience the worst case scenario TRP talks about.

Strongly disagree with the recent wave of "lookism" defeatists flooding TRP who seem to believe that everything boils down to physical looks based on genetics. Lots of it does, but not in its entirety.

Women are attracted to the "bodybuilder" physique more than anything.

BLUE

Average guys have as many sexual options as average girls, or even many sexual options all.

"Like attracts like" is incompatible with hypergamy, or contradicts it.

Most women are genuinely, sexually attracted to the men they marry.

Lifting does not make men more attractive on average. (average lifters don't look like bodybuilders).

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-04-04T11:56:00+00:00

That there's something special and unique about TRPs advice.

Getting into shape, learning how to talk to people and dressing better, yeah there's like 1000 other places to find that stuff. I guess you can go understand The Sexual Marketplace or Gender Dynamics, but I don't really see how that matters.

alreadyredschool · 2017-04-04T13:02:35+00:00

That we are most attracted to people similar to us. We are most attracted to super attractive people even if we aren't super attractive ourselves and often men are attracted to weak small cute women thanks to a protective instinct.

Also average men doing well, maybe with ugly girls or with relationships but one night stands are rare.

That talking about sluts is a worthwhile endeavour. You don't have to justify your preferences. You don't have to shame someone for preferences.

Muh genetics - lookism in general

Muh mens rights - the way MRA waste their live

Muh mgtow - giving up is not winning

EliteSpartanRanger · 2017-04-04T14:58:59+00:00

Here's a few I disagree with:

That men have it worse in the world than women.

That women are more selfish than men and that men are the more honorable gender.

Women only want Chads.

There is only 1 type of Chad which is the muscular gym bro look.

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InformalCriticism · 2017-04-04T14:53:33+00:00

If disagreement could be divided further:

Most emotionally jarring.
Provably false.

I get pretty flamboyant when people make emotionally jarring statements like when rape gets redefined to include people who are emotionally unstable to begin with.

When people make provably false statements, I tend to tease with humor.

But, there are, of course topics that cross both of those lines, which lead to any mix of reactions from me. The wage gap myth, the legal double standards western men are up against, and how they manifest themselves in courts of law - making a farce of jurisprudence.

PPD seems to have succeeded, at least in great part, parsing out the fact that TRP definitely works, and the only resistance to it can be moral in nature. While I think that's an understandable line in the sand, I don't think it's valid to try to bridge that divide.

GaiusScaevolus · 2017-04-04T15:07:23+00:00

Women forgo agency when intoxicated, but men do not.
Men need to be taught not to rape/ Women do not need to be taught how to assert their desires and minimize their potential victim hood.

locriology · 2017-04-04T18:26:00+00:00

That women have it significantly worse than men in Western culture.

IDontGiveADoot · 2017-04-04T23:41:46+00:00

Redpillers thinking that they're nice guys who deserve to have sex.

IIHotelYorba · 2017-04-05T07:40:16+00:00

Feminism aka patriarchy theory and the ideas which stem from it
Lookism
Attraction models that don't include a MAJOR focus on preselection or behavior
TRPers: People who think you can improve your sex life passively, without really going out or approaching women

[deleted] · 2017-04-05T13:22:08+00:00

Some people think I'm a dick.

I strongly disagree, I'm pretty sure I'm fucking awesome

Title	Q4All: What views and beliefs held by people on this sub do you strongly disagree with?
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Date	April 4, 2017 11:21 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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