The Mommy Track is real but it’s not a punishment, it’s a consequence

Eastuss · 2019-10-03T12:55:16+00:00

"If you work less hours, you will be passed over for others. This is awful and shouldn’t be the case but it is right now."

Why should you get promoted or given a raise for working less hours or producing less work product than the man or woman who actually did their job?

Mr_Smoogs · 2019-10-03T12:58:01+00:00

Yeah it’s largely a consequence of biology. The person breastfeeding is typically going to take off more time. Beyond that time period, mothers end up wanting to spend more time with their babies relative to men. They could go back to work after 3 months, but that’s exactly the time period your baby starts to recognize faces and you’ve just spent 3 months physically bonding with them via breastfeeding. This inherently sets women up to be more inclined to take off work. That’s just how that would work psychologically. The only argument against that is if you argue breastfeeding isn’t bonding with your baby - which is just obviously false.

I’ve read many daycare workers have stopped disclosing first steps and first words. The reactions from mothers when they learn that they themselves didn’t witness those milestones is oftentimes devastating. It is kinder for the daycare worker to pretend those milestones didn’t happen.

Aaren_Augustine · 2019-10-03T13:08:22+00:00

This is awful and shouldn’t be the case but it is right now.

Got three kids. Its just reality. Workers with new babies are useless. They're tired, overwhelmed and often times work IS the break between caring for your baby.

The solution to this consequence is find a new family friendly job

It doesn't exist. Business aren't that charitable. I work a government job with my wife. It's virtually impossible to get fired. So in that, they had to accept it.

And I don't get this mentality. My wife had it too. She was passed over from people that would stay late. Couples that were childless and weren't ever going to have them. And I routinely asked her "is this what you want?" You want to get paid slightly more for double the work, 10 more hours tacked onto your work week and less time with your family?

Eastuss · 2019-10-03T12:57:29+00:00

I'm a man and I've not had the celibate men's raise because I work less and am sometimes sick.

Both concepts are right: people should get back the amount of work they put in, people should all have a balanced life and not spend their life at work. Which one to choose?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-10-03T13:23:30+00:00

If you work less hours, you will be passed over for others. This is awful and shouldn’t be the case but it is right now.

why?

katymarx · 2019-10-03T13:48:40+00:00

Best way to get a promotion - interview at another company where their director is bff with your director so he's sure to find out. Voila, $10k more in Mama's pocket. Ur all welcome 🏃💪

CamoWoobie10000 · 2019-10-03T13:05:29+00:00

How is it not fair? Having kids is a choice.

strickyicky · 2019-10-03T19:34:10+00:00

Working longer hours is not how you get promoted, the person that is most likable gets promited regardless of hours worked.

Besides who wants to be promoted to management where you spend your life answering emails. I suppose you get paid more but wowzee such a boring life.

30dirtyfingers · 2019-10-03T12:56:43+00:00

It may not be fair to the employee, but look at it from the employer side.....why would they I nveat more in someone who does less?

Ur right, it is a consequence, but it's not of being a mom, it's of being less of a investment risk. I do t see how this is not fair.

goatismycopilot · 2019-10-03T21:20:08+00:00

Family friendly jobs are a myth.

i_have_a_semicolon · 2019-10-03T22:07:53+00:00

I have a co-worker who was telling me, that it's actually morally wrong for anyone to work more than 40 hours a week because not everyone can do that. Not just people who have kids , but more so, people who just DONT want to put in extra hours to keep up with others who do. And for that matter, people who put in extra hours and get ahead as a result are behaving immorally given that they are giving themselves an unfair advantage over others.

To be honest. I agree with him. I think we should all have the ability to work 40 hours a week without the worry someone else is getting ahead because they would rather use their free time to work. We all deserve time off from work, to recharge, to focus on other aspects of life, work is not life, and those who make their life work shouldn't be rewarded for doing so. Not when it's a salaried job that everyone is working on in the same capacity; it changes the playing rules of the game and gives others unfair advantages because they value their own free time less.

Willow-girl · 2019-10-04T04:14:25+00:00

If you work less hours, you will be passed over for others. This is awful and shouldn’t be the case

Why? Why is it "awful" and why shouldn't it be the case? Why is it wrong to reward the people who are working the hardest?

If people were working less but were being promoted over the more dedicated workers, I'd call that "awful"!

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gill_ambrose · 2019-10-03T13:21:40+00:00

There are people who work more hours and still don't get promoted.

abaxeron · 2019-10-03T13:55:56+00:00

In ideal world, promotions wouldn't exist, because jobs wouldn't exist, because robots would be doing everything for us. For as long as resources are scarce, we'll have to optimize for their best usage.

Since it's a cmv, my best take is to point out that, several crazies aside, no-one claimed it was a "punishment"; the word ideologs usually use is "penalty". Obviously, women are as "penalized" on the workplace for having babies as they are "penalized" on the running track for having lower muscle density.

The current men's world record is 9.58 seconds, set by Jamaica's Usain Bolt in 2009, while the women's world record of 10.49 seconds set by American Florence Griffith-Joyner in 1988 remains unbroken.

wtknight · 2019-10-03T14:30:14+00:00

Usually the people who the bosses like and value get promoted. If the bosses like and value women who take time off to have children and raise them, then they’ll get promoted. If they don’t like it, then they won’t. Success at work is a consequence of what the company values and the personalities of the people in power.

Littleknownfacts · 2019-10-03T14:33:01+00:00

How are you differentiating consequences from punishments?

Teflon08191 · 2019-10-03T16:33:25+00:00

If you work less hours, you will be passed over for others. This is awful and shouldn’t be the case but it is right now.

So meritocracy is awful?

villanelle23eve · 2019-10-03T17:56:34+00:00

Doing reproductive labor for a society not getting paid for it, having that work not be appreciated, and having your money drained back into capitalism for it, is something to "bitch about."

IHeartDay9 · 2019-10-03T20:06:50+00:00

It's not that the "mommy track" is unfair, per se, its that the career hit from having children disproportionately falls on women. Men with families are expected to work as hard or harder than their childless peers, because apparently working 50+ hours a week is how men demonstrate their dedication to their families, but women with children are expected to "prioritize" their families by scaling back their hours and calling off any time the kids have doctor's appointments/parent teacher meetings/get the flu etc. Now obviously that's the way that many families want it, but for those that would prefer a less gendered approach to family life, they have an uphill climb.

MuleFool42 · 2019-10-03T20:19:49+00:00

Yep. Wage gap is a myth. Your life is reflective of the choices that you made. You have to take responsibility for those choices.

poppy_blu · 2019-10-03T21:55:50+00:00

I willingly made the choice to take a family friendly job. I’m not bitter. Life is about choices. But if you look at it from 20k feet, society can’t afford to make people choose between family and making a living, because people are going to chose making money because you gotta eat right? The consequence for society is low birth rates and less tax revenue for the next generation. And I think there’s a realization of this and I’m encouraged by the number of companies that are becoming more family friendly, because they don’t want to lose out on talent and thus profit.

The other part of this is that for most women working isn’t a choice. Let’s help those families out. Less stressed out parents makes better kids which makes better adults.

theoracleofosiris · 2019-10-04T00:11:20+00:00

Think of it from the employer’s POV for once. If you had to put in your own sweat money in a company only to pay salary to women on maternity leave who are not generating revenue for you, would you do it? I wouldn’t.

And if the laws mandate I have to, then either I’ll move my business elsewhere or I’ll liquidate my company and invest the proceeds into other asset classes.

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-10-04T01:39:18+00:00

This isn’t fair.

Life's not fair

If you work less hours, you will be passed over for others. This is awful and shouldn’t be the case but it is right now.

No, that's exactly how it should be. Jobs don't exist just to distribute money to employees based on some arbitrary "how things should be." Jobs exist so the owners of the company can make money. If you work less hours, you are bringing in less revenue and so obviously you should be paid less, if not fired completely.

cxj · 2019-10-03T17:06:57+00:00

Congrats, you have broken the cycle of striver faggots. I am very impressed (srs). This is especially rare for success driven Asian cultures.

Tbh it seems very rare any of the strivers make any significant difference in lifestyle improvement or wealth. At least not proportionate to overtime. It’s a scam really. The only time it’s worth it is if you own the business or maybe if you are paid a sales commission and truly have the abilities. Most people aren’t either of those

Title	The Mommy Track is real but it’s not a punishment, it’s a consequence
Author	azngirl7689
Upvotes	11
Comments	153
Date	October 3, 2019 12:47 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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