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Let's Talk Pillow Talk

by amphix339 on /r/TheRedPill
07 October 2019 08:14 AM UTC

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I feel like this isn't talked about enough and I haven't seen any specific mention in the sidebar.

Stop. Talking. After. Sex.

You Mr. Thundercock has slayed Miss Karen after weeks of passing frame and holding shit tests. You've been going into your local gym without swiping your membership because you're alfa AF and been meditating in Tibet to channel your inner Chad.

But the moment you bust your nut and your women lays next to you, you start spouting all your life stories. Now don't get me wrong, good pussy might get you delirious. Feel free to say whatever the fuck you want. But don't start talking about your emotional bitch shit; she doesn't care your daddy spanked you till you were 15.

I apologise if I come across a little feisty, it's just that I had an 8 hour shift with the town thot and she had the nerve to talk shit about this dude who poured out his heart to her. Now here she is the next day telling me how much of a bitch he is and sharing his business with me, shit that he shared with her in confidence and in the confines of his bedroom. But ofcourse this slut doesn't give a fuck because she just thinks her doormat of a pussy was made by God's right hand.

Anyway, this is all to reinforce the importance of frame. Use your "post nut clarity" to plan and execute something productive with your life, not to give validation to some excuse of a female. If you were a rock of a man before the lay but then turn into Kenny the Parrot after, she's going to feed her ego thinking her pussy was so good that she broke you. This is a guarantee that her pussy will remain drier than an Arab's nutsack on Ramadan.

Keep the pillow talk to a minimum. Don't talk about your negatives. Don't talk about your exes. Don't talk about your friends or family. Ofcourse this might be different if she's your LTR but even then what you say must be calculated.

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Title Let's Talk Pillow Talk
Author amphix339
Upvotes 805
Comments 164
Date 07 October 2019 08:14 AM UTC (6 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/289165
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/degi09/lets_talk_pillow_talk/
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90 upvotesTheGweatandTewwible6 months ago

I mean, there's huge middle ground between just talking and chilling versus telling a gal your life story. So imo, just talk and have normal convo. Don't confuse fellow RP autists even more than they are

25 upvotesesirnus186 months ago

This! After i bust a nut, we're just chilling on the bed and have some interesting convos, you learn a lot from girls after the deed is done. Of Course don't tell her your problems...heck don't tell anyone your problems

15 upvotesAgentSmith19925 months ago

heck don't tell anyone your problems

Whoa there I think an important part of being able to keep yourself together with your woman or any women you're banging is to make sure that you have some buddies who you can talk to about your problems whether they be drinking buddies or just other close friends I think it's important to have those people who you do talk to your problems about

14 upvoteseight-acorn5 months ago

If you, as a dude, start "spilling your guts" to a bimbo after one sweaty night after busting a nut in/ on her, you have issues.

  1. You have no real close friends or anyone to lay your shit on, hence the only chance is the forced intimacy of sweaty naked sex. Which is pathetic.
  2. You must be pretty fucking mesmerized by pussy/ sex to think it's some kind of awakening moment. Yeah it could be fantastic but so can food. I don't go back to the chef and tell him about my dead dog. You're not getting laid enough and putting pussy on a pedestal. But it's probably mostly #1.

Life as an adult male --- even with tons of good friends and girls -- every leader/ alpha male will live somewhat of a solitary existence in some respects. Can't really fully share everything with everyone.

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 5 months ago

Well said, the alpha path is lonely

2 upvotesTheGweatandTewwible5 months ago

I agree. That's why I said there's a lot of middle ground between spilling guts and just chilling. What does "spilling your guts" even mean in this context, anyways? Because I'd like to think that if you at least follow the ground rules of TRP, you should have some common sense and not turn into an absolute simps the moment you bust a nut.

4 upvotesChaddeus_Rex5 months ago

Protip - instead of telling your life story - ask hers!

185 upvotesviensviens6 months ago

I'm one of those dudes who like to talk and sometimes I reveal too much unneeded info. As much as during these "bonding" sessions it feels right opening up, I've had plenty of cases where it was used against me later on.. I guess its human after all, to open up our vulnerabilities, since having been able to just talk about superficial stuffs gets boring really fast.. Grandpa once said to me: "speaking is silver - silence is gold" he continued "think about how many times you've regretted opening your mouth.. and think how many times you've regretted just not saying anything.." if only these relationships lasted for a lifetime.. then it would be different.. but since it's a matter of weeks, months and maybe.. couple of years, one must be very specific regarding whom to open up.. its sad bros..

41 upvotesrainier-3516 months ago

Your grandpa is spot on! Wish I had learned this years ago. Before beginning my TRP journey I would try to emulate the “players” in my small hometown. Their game was basically run your mouth non stop and to compete with each other you would talk louder than the guy next to you. I wasted a lot of years doing this.

75 upvotesnicethingyoucanthave6 months ago

its human after all, to open up our vulnerabilities

Not to your girl, and not to your children. In both cases, it's just an inappropriate audience.

A parent who "opens up" to his kids about how he's worried he might get fired and they'll be homeless is a bad parent. A man who opens up to his woman about something similar is an idiot boyfriend.

Your grandpa was right, but I'll add this: get yourself some guy friends; some drinking buddies. You can talk about this stuff with guys, but don't lay it on your girl or your children. You should be a rock to both of them - act like nothing bothers you.

6 upvotesChaddeus_Rex5 months ago

Why was the Soviet spy program so effective?

Because they would have women seduce enemy officers and dignitaries and then they would open up to these women and spill state secrets.

Don't be like foreign officers/dignitaries - she may be a Russian spy.

4 upvotesmiserablesisyphus5 months ago

After you slay it, just lay down and pull her to you and wrap your arm around her. She'll almost certainly curl up and put her hand on your chest and wrap her leg around yours. Put your other hand behind your head and bask in the glory. Now just shut your mouth. You might want to complement her, thank her, or whatever but just let the silence linger. She'll likely ask you a question or comment how great it was and without using words just give a quick "mmhm", etc.. Lay there with her until she gets up to clean off or whatever and then smile as she walks bare ass to the bathroom. Assuming you killed it, she's going to be rambling some non coherent shit about how great it was. You know, you do it all the time. Enjoy watching and listening to them gush over it.

3 upvotesfrognads5 months ago

Nailed it. Even better is when she goes "what the fuck did you do to my legs!"

1 upvotesMayin_5 months ago

It is fine to open up if a person makes fun of you for who you are, with a goal of hurting you in mind they are probably a shiity person that are not worth the time of day.

254 upvotesMR_SKINNYPENIS696 months ago

Speak for yourself, I continue to game even after I've shot my load. Never stop, bros.

163 upvotesRedHoodhandles6 months ago

As your username implies, you damn well should..

63 upvotesMR_SKINNYPENIS696 months ago

It may be skinnier than a cigarette but it's incredibly long bruh

45 upvotesTheGweatandTewwible6 months ago

Pencil dick bois unite

6 upvotesMR_SKINNYPENIS696 months ago

Come brother, let us gingerly touch tips!

9 upvotesmasterpiece006 months ago

Average isn't measured in length for nothing, 6 inches is close enough to it.

1 upvotesMayin_5 months ago

My pinki is thicker then a cig not by much though.

1 upvotesSexdictatorLucifer5 months ago

Same sitch here. No sensation other than my pounding spearhead. Straight to the cervix, no bullshit. True masculine design.

-4 upvotesshark30k6 months ago

Reminded me of Something xxxtentacion said in an interview. RIP x.

4 upvotesChaddeus_Rex5 months ago

After I bust my nut, I just want her to leave and to do my own thing. My patience wears thin....

I dunno how you do it.

1 upvotesILikeToBurnMoney5 months ago

I like to give her the good ol' "And, how was I?"

198 upvotesbearholdingbeer6 months ago

AWALT. Its not different in LTR if you want her to respect and look up to you, as you said, Mr. Chad Thundercock just fucked his girl and now its time to move onto something productive, hand her napkins, take a shower and do whatever you feel like doing but dont ever share your emotions especially after sex.

Good post

40 upvotesCasaDeFranco6 months ago

My natural impulse after sex was to lay back, light a cigarette and enjoy a deeper conversation.

I no longer smoke, but still I find a woman is most honest when she's naked and physically exhausted.

Often in the silence they just reveal truths they otherwise wouldn't.

2 upvotesChaddeus_Rex5 months ago

Is it just me or do all women say they're tired half way through sex, when i'm just getting warmed up.....

1 upvotesQba19946 months ago

When is the best time to tell my LTR that I love her if not after sex/ during? We’ve been together for 4 months and I haven’t told her yet. But I developed feelings and now I do love her and her behavior varies a lot from being horny and wanting sex to going without sex for 3 weeks. I simply want to give her some comfort and be nice to her from time to time but I don’t know if saying I love you will give her a lot of power over me...

86 upvotesnicethingyoucanthave6 months ago

best time to tell my LTR that I love

Like the other replies, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or trolling either, but maybe some other guys will benefit from these answers even if you're not serious.

u/100kmhperminute's comment should say "The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon" not "Poor" - definitely read that.

But I have to tell you, man, I've had several girls tell me they love me since I found the red pill. I haven't told any of them "I love you too." Before the red pill, I would reciprocate immediately - just jump right in. If she liked me I liked her too. If she loved me I loved her too. If she wanted commitment she got it. That's me being a "good guy" and what I got in return for it was the standard blue pill relationship, which just fizzles out.

After taking the pill, I haven't told any woman I love her, not even the ones who loved me. And here's the thing, all these relationships lasted longer, and all these women treated me better and were more devoted to me than any before. I get exactly what I want and frankly, I think the women are happier too. They're happier because the feeling stay stronger for longer.

To be clear, I felt the same way about them that I felt about every girlfriend before, going all the way back to high school; the same way I felt about my wife too. I just didn't say the words, because the words are commitment.

The most I gave to any of them was along the lines of, "you treat me really well" - more often it was, "I like having you around." These women were more thankful for those comparatively bland words of validation than any woman I've ever dated was thankful for me saying "I love you"

And I reward them too by treating them really well. I take them out and I pay for shit, etc. Obviously, don't do that hoping a girl will fuck you - she wont. But a girl who is fucking you and acting the way you want her to act - go ahead and splurge a little.

When a girl says "I love you" the first time, I hold her tight and give her a lot of comfort, but I don't really say anything. It's a big turn on (because it's a bit submissive) so I usually end up fucking her again right when she says it. Some of the best sex ever is when a girl really gives herself to you like that.

Next, they usually repeat the statement in a text conversation. I'm flirting with them, being sexual and funny, and they'll say "god I love you." I use this moment to establish it as a one-way street. She says it, and I joke about it. It works really well and I'm not kidding when I say these women seem happier than girlfriends who had the full "I love you" commitment from me.

When I say "joke" I mean that I literally make a joke out of it. Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ZdJtJo4Ok - I've sent that to three women, no shit. And then I start saying it in person. "Shut up baby, I know it." It's not cruel or dismissive. Women enjoy being in love with a worthy man, and it's not necessary for you to return that commitment. They've got legions of Instagram followers giving them love. What they want from you is strength.

But okay, I'll also answer the question you actually asked. If I was going to tell a girl I love her, when and how would I do it? I would treat it like it was as big a deal as a marriage proposal. I would take her to a beautiful spot, we'd watch the sunset, I'd look into her eyes and tell her that she's been good to me and I appreciate the way she's been acting, "and I want you to know that I love you too"

I definitely would not do it while lying flat on my back after sex.

17 upvotesBACONisKEWLEST6 months ago

Top notch comment, thanks for articulating this.

14 upvotesinfamous32386 months ago

Great reply, thanks I needed this. Shame it’s buried deep in the comments after a heavily downvoted troll.

2 upvotesBeneathTheSassafras6 months ago

So much truth here. Preach it

90 upvotesXLNC-6 months ago

I can’t tell if your comment is sarcastic.

Let’s presume you’re serious; never say I love you before her and definitely don’t be saying I love you just 4 months in.

Even if you have these feelings/thoughts, seek abundance to ground yourself again and realize you’re not in love with her, you have just become attached to her pussy.

22 upvotes100kmhperminute6 months ago

Look up The Sixteen Commandments Of Poor. The first one is Never say ‘I Love You’ first.

-8 upvotesQba19946 months ago

She did write me “love you” when went on a camp once. Then she is telling me that I never say anything to her, which was the indication of “I love you” words. But she never said it to my face. And I didn’t respond to her message with I love you, just hearth emoji. She’s sixteen and I think she might need some sort of validation from me. She also stated to having dreams about me cheating on her and vice versus. Don’t know what to do. She is extremely attractive and I’m not that of a Chad yet so her SMV might be higher in aspects of looks. I have great body and can play piano well and do a lot of extreme sports but I don’t know how to make her hamster spin. Do I just keep online contact to minimum and always go for meetings / sex.? I have no idea how to keep her around and have abundance other than having good Instagram which I’m considering to start. I have model looking body when shirtless (since I’m skinny) and 7/10 face. I don’t know but posting might bring me some abundance...

31 upvotesXLNC-6 months ago

No, don’t start an instagram for the reason of trying to gain abundance through insta likes; all that will happen is you’ll become addicted to external validation and will gain a feeling of false confidence.

Instead I recommend you try and be as social and flirtatious as possible with others girls, this will give you a real sense of confidence founded in competence with women and not external validation via social media.

Or another option, after receiving TRP advice is to try and be blue pill with her and see how that pans out for you. Some times experience is the best teacher, and after experiencing the failure of your blue pill theories, you will know where you went wrong and to apply TRP theories for next time.

10 upvotesjihocech6 months ago

There is nothing wrong about saying ILY. Just do not say it too often. Action, not words. Don´t be needy, don´t be despair, live your life with her as part, not as center.

1 upvotesjihocech6 months ago

Abundance is mindset, it has nothing to do with looks. I have seen really handsome guys despair for the ONE. Among my college roommates, the only succesful alpha married a single mother.

Love her, just don´t be obsessed.

19 upvotesredhawkes6 months ago

Trolls used to be more creative. 2/10

You gotta be retarded to think that saying I lurve you would change anything if she's making your balls blue for 3 weeks. You're and eunuch in training. Eject.

5 upvotesaGodofmyownmaking6 months ago

Jesus dude there are still people out there learning this, cut some slack for an honest question. Not all of us have been reading and practicing rp knowledge for 5 years.

1 upvotesChaddeus_Rex5 months ago

if she makes my balls blue, I make her ass red

-3 upvotesnixon9936 months ago

The only way for me to be blue balls for 3 weeks is to be really far away from my gf otherwise i dont care if she is not in the mood i am.

2 upvotesDirtyBastard136 months ago

Yeah, telling her that is an invitation to take your manhood. Love is a four-letter word. Also may as well be a cussword. Also does'nt exist brah. That's the hormones/ evolutionary programming to have kids fucking with your head. That feeling will pass in seven years for both of ya, probably a lot sooner for her. Also, I guarantee she wasn't going horny for 3 weeks. The fact you stick around her and play the game is enough for her to think you might love her (which is hamster feed for her).

2 upvotesxjx5456 months ago

When is the best time to tell my LTR that I love her if not after sex/ during?

When she asks you dude. When she says "Hey qba1994, do you really love me?", then you tell her "Yeah babe, I love you, you're so hot when you do that". You don't need to pour your heart out like you're in a Shakespeare play. You don't need to affirm your commitment to her. It's implied, otherwise you'd be with another women.

If you want to go deep on your feelings I'd suggest calling up your mom to get that out of your system. The women you're dating don't want to be your mom. They want you to fuck them and be the man in the relationship.

1 upvotesQba19946 months ago

Thank you for insightful answer :) Will apply

1 upvotesBeneathTheSassafras6 months ago

Your concept of giving comfort versus feeling comfort are conflated. Sharing isnt caring, when it comes to cause and effect. What you experience and what she professes are two different things.
Its not a disney movie youre in, its a poker game.
The stakes are high.

29 upvotesGayLubeOil6 months ago

Bruh I don't know about you but post nut sleepy time is best sleepy time.

5 upvotesPandaLitter6 months ago

You're gonna get sperm jacked if you sleep right after nutting

23 upvotescx-s6 months ago

I have had surprised reaction from girls when i told them that if they want they can stay (basically, stay or leave does not matter to me). even some of my friends were suprised when i said, i've had ONS sleeping over.

what is the stance of TRP on letting the girl sleepover in a ONS. they usually spend the night and leave in the morning at the same time i am leaving for work.

45 upvotesForrestAlpha6 months ago

let them stay over if you want. i let plates sleep over. doesnt mean she means anything to me or im gonna get attached - if anything the more time u spend w/ a girl the more likely she is to get on your nerves.

i let them sleep over and then the next night theres another girl in my bed anyhow

2 upvotesSamVimesFucksDimes5 months ago

I'm the same way. If they want to stay over they're welcome to if they're on the upper end of attractiveness. I like sleeping with a person, and morning sex is always a good start to the day. Plus it sets the hook a bit

60 upvotesINNASKILLZ2K186 months ago

This is very important. I think it can signal low status and scarcity. You're telling everything, which shows that maybe sex isn't a common occurrence for you.

It's also low status. She's suddenly higher in the hierarchy and is worthy to hear all your inner shit.

Why would a man of higher status start telling all his secrets to someone lower in the food chain?

Women are solipsistic, so they only give a shit about how it makes them feel. You could be telling your most intimate stuff, but if it makes her feel less attracted she might tell all her friends you're a sappy loser.

22 upvotesmasterpiece006 months ago

Who cares? tell her everything, lose her, find a new girl and do it all again.
I feel like people pretend to follow rp, and then get paranoid over 'saying the wrong thing' to them and 'losing' the pussy.

14 upvotesTrposh6 months ago

It’s not binary. For those who are already in the top 1% and have women lining up, then sure who gives a fuck; for the rest who are working their way up, not disclosing too much is still a valuable strategy.

10 upvotesgood_guy_submitter6 months ago

make a bad decision that forfeits your previous efforts

Great idea.

Next, give out your atm card and pin to the girl too.

Money? Who cares. You got another paycheck coming.

4 upvotesmasterpiece006 months ago

Yes you're getting the hang of it now.

5 upvotesINNASKILLZ2K186 months ago

Haha, it's not paranoia it's simply something you don't do.

Why would you tell a chick you barely know all of your shit?

5 upvotesmoltenw6 months ago

Don't be a sperg.

I've seen Fedora tipping autists in college reminding the teacher about a homework and walking around shouting stupid shit. Yeah, they had "IDGAF" mentality by your definition, but they were retards nonetheless and everyone laughed at them behind their backs. Did they care? Probably not, but again - they were still retarded and didn't do themselves any favors by acting that way.

Social awareness matters.

1 upvotesi-like-vagina6 months ago

Why would a man of higher status start telling all his secrets to someone lower in the food chain?

Because there is nothing you can use against me. I own everything. Thats high status. I own my losses, i own my successes. The way you think in terms of food-chain is so insecure. From my expierience most girls cant impress me, i mean most people in general, why would i fear their judgements?! Makes no sense. I dont care if a bitch thinks im weak. I happens rarely only with the most insecure as a defence mechanism. Those girls are pretty low in status i can tool them effortlessly anytime. lol.

5 upvotesjojo2446 months ago

that makes no sense. there's nothing to be gain by it other then feeling as if your emotional neediness was fulfilled, which isn't a good sign because it shows you're emotionally dependent and thats bad. you should only up about a specific aspect of yourself that your partner can relate to. For instance, if you both know how its like to deal with divorce but that conversation should come naturally if the topic naturally arises. You should never just spill the beans unsolicitied (or even solicited). These are issues you should deal with or solve by yourself or through professional help. she is not your psychologist. She did not sleep with you because she cared about your issues but because you came across as if you didnt have issues and seemed cool and confident.

1 upvotesChaddeus_Rex5 months ago

Why was the Soviet spy program so effective?

Because they got females to seduce high ranking officials and these officials would then tell the women state secrets (they didn't know that the women were spies).

Don't be like a sappy high ranking official - remember she might be a Russian spy!

1 upvotesserynada6 months ago

had a hoe accuse me of toxic masculinity last night as i smacked her ass and she laughed lmao

-5 upvotesReformed656 months ago

Find that difficult to believe.

13 upvotesosirise6 months ago

Really? I find that most girls thinks it's a joke as much as we do deep down inside. And I live in a very liberal area

45 upvotesLLL3peat6 months ago

You can talk and have a conversation after sex. Jeez you guys a really are still in the anger phase and don’t realize being human is being human. Share a couple things to create a little bond with your plate but you don’t have to say your whole life story lol. when it’s time to go it’s time to go and you don’t share more until next time if that.

I swear this sub is becoming so binary it’s not even funny

16 upvotesthebadguy896 months ago

Lol this is true but most of the time girls are very good at asking questions acting like they want to know you better. The instant you tell them everything they get bored.

Pillow talk should mainly consist of comforting and asking them questions about themselves. If it's the first fuck then they need a decent amount of comfort so that they don't feel like you're treating them like a pump&dump slut.

2 upvotesthetrpdino6 months ago

Hi man could you expand a bit on the ways to create comfort during pillow talk? I feel like I could improve this a lot

4 upvotesgood_guy_submitter6 months ago

Tell them that they were good at sex compared to most of the other dozen girls you've been with in the last week.

Either this way this true.

Either you haven't been with any other girls so that makes her good compared to nothing.

Or, you really have been with 12 in the last week, and since you havent left yet so shes good enough that you're interested in banging her again.

2 upvotesxjx5456 months ago

Lol this is true but most of the time girls are very good at asking questions acting like they want to know you better.

Ding ding. Not all women do this, it's a personality type, but a lot do. They ask pointed and personal questions that are frankly not appropriate. Weak men tend to answer these questions matter-of-fact and instantly out themselves as losers. Red pilled men tend to pass the shit tests and get the girl. I would say the next level beyond Red Pill would be to simply filter these women altogether, since they don't have enough class to respect social boundaries.

1 upvotesserynada6 months ago

i think you kinda missed the point though, dude. the point was not to speak unattractively after sex, not to be literally mute.

it’s not a “binary” idea, it’s actually a very important one. you’re nitpicking and being pedantic unnecessarily. this is a message a lot of guys need to hear and internalize.

it applies outside of the bedroom as well, but post-nut it’s a common, tricky terrain to navigate. a woman senses your vulnerability and will use your momentary weakness to dig her claws into, test your frame, and extract compromising information.

1 upvotesAAtmozfears6 months ago

What are some examples of unattractive talk? Like things you're constantly worried about? Eg work or study commitments? Things other males say to you that make you feel insecure?

1 upvotesTheEgyptianConqueror6 months ago

With one exception, no woman I've ever told anything even mildly personal to took it well. The one is my only female friend and acts more like a guy

1 upvotesLLL3peat6 months ago

Then that’s your fault. Female friend that doesn’t care about you or nothing you have to say isn’t a friend. Drop them if the friendship or relationship doesn’t benefit you at all

1 upvotesTheEgyptianConqueror6 months ago

Well that's exactly what I did. BP me tried to be friends with women. Now I just have the one (and a half) and they are more guys than they are girls

1 upvotesxjx5456 months ago

Find some more close male friends. As long as you're not unloading your feelings on them all the time, most guys will tend to listen and give good analytical feedback on the situation.

30 upvotesnotaselfdrivingcar6 months ago

weeks of passing frame and holding shit tests

You mean Passing shit tests and holding frame?

2 upvotesZone_Box6 months ago

Was thinking the same thing.

8 upvotesBusterVadge6 months ago

If it's a one and done, I'm more apt to show some emotions. It helps build comfort and we all know that comfort helps thwart off false accusations. Just don't go full retard. It's not rocket science.

8 upvotescartersweeney6 months ago

I sometimes talk about Brexit. Is that OK

1 upvotesamphix339 [OP]6 months ago

Nah bro, keep your political affiliations for facebook

10 upvotescartersweeney6 months ago

As long as she's happy to do frictionless trade with my hard border it's all good

3 upvotesrussian_nigger6 months ago

talk about building the wall next

12 upvotesAndgelyo6 months ago

+1 after fucking my girl yesterday somehow got into talking about dick sizes and the whole conversation fell into this rabbit hole of my insecurities (from my dick size, how goodlooking I am compared to her past boyfriends, to my insecurities about paying off my school loans). Would not recommend talking about anything that can put you in a negative light. Doesn’t matter if it’s a thot or LTR, don’t do it. You will be portrayed as weak.

2 upvotesxjx5456 months ago

It's a shit test. Women don't care about your dick size or what you look like. A good fraction of women have fucked other women, and trust me, they had a smaller dick than you. This is gonna be controversial on this sub because of the emphasis on lifting. Being in shape and going to the gym is still super important, but having a chiseled body won't magically fix your insecurities, it's about taking care of yourself.

7 upvoteshazelstein6 months ago

her pussy will remain drier than an Arab's nutsack on Ramadan.

I chuckled. Great reminder. Whoever been on redpill for more than 6 months should know this.

1 upvotesEdmondDaunts6 months ago

True yet there is also the CRP - Common Ramadan Problem. Because you are swearing off your vices you get way more female attention. Not muslim myself, just heard this a lot from muslim friends.

20 upvotesForrestAlpha6 months ago

The only thing you should talk about after you dick a girl down is how damn fucking good you just dicked her down.

16 upvotessebastianconcept6 months ago

Even that you should be careful not to pass the impression that you are requesting validation.

5 upvotesKn316 months ago

"Shorty wanna tell me secrets about a rap niga, I told that bitch it's more attractive when you hold it down"

6 upvoteschazthundergut6 months ago

Yup. Shut the fuck up fellas.

Pull back a little and she will chase your love by being more giving and feminine.

If you enter into your feminine frame (by pouring out your heart and soul, caressing her, etc) she will respond by entering into her masculine frame.

The more you behave like a man, the more she will behave like a woman

4 upvotesZone_Box6 months ago

Relevant: https://youtu.be/NWWeQlXfSa0

4 upvotesethical_pa6 months ago

I strongly agree with the specifics:

don't start talking about your emotional bitch shit;

Don't talk about your negatives. Don't talk about your exes. Don't talk about your friends or family.

But post sex validation can be a powerful tool for the long game. Attractive girls are constantly getting compliments as thinly veiled bribes for sex. They know it. They're "so pretty" and everything they do is "so interesting!" (thirsty ass chodes). But if you compliment her when sex no longer is on the table, then it can have much more of an emotional impact on her. IE, she knows it's not a bribe. She knows it's meant "just for her" and not for her body, the way she looks, or sex. As a high value guy, this is a great gift you can give a woman, and she will love it.

Ok, so you may not want or care to do this if she's simply a thot to you, but I just thought I'd mention it anyway. I mean, girls have done it to me. "You're so confident!", "So hot!", etc. It's validation. It's her rewarding my frame and honestly feels nice. Why not return the gift? As long as you recognize it's a validation game and don't get too wrapped up in it... Stay focused as a man, but appreciate the small things.

2 upvotesserynada6 months ago

good point. making a “genuine” compliment post sex will be taken more seriously, true. i’d just add that that tactic can be used to be machiavellian rather than genuinely complimenting the girl e.g to lead the girl on or sell her a dream to keep the plate spinning.

12 upvotesmenoyzoe6 months ago

I'd say that your game is still weak if you think that sex is the end goal of the red pill

1 upvotesMetalxZebra6 months ago

Take a second & go re-read the sidebar description.

2 upvotesSMRII6 months ago

Sounds like you should. Sex is just a by product of being the best version of yourself you can be. The principal of TRP

3 upvotesKillaJewels6 months ago

Used to do this nearly every girl without fail. Sharing way too much (early or especially without being asked) takes out any mystery = lower attraction. It also communicates that you have weak boundaries and that she doesn't have to do anything to earn your attention.

3 upvotesJohnIan1016 months ago

Keep the pillow talk to a minimum. Don't talk about your negatives. Don't talk about your exes.

Why would any sane man do that?

4 upvotesthetrpdino6 months ago

This morning I was thinking about this subject and wondering if giving information after sex can also also be used as a reward for the sex in some way.

A FWB slept over last night. I'm not really giving her much info about personal stuff and am definitely not being an emotional bitch with her.

However last night (after sex) she asked me for the second time about the stretch/grow marks on my abdominal. (the ones that came from my time of being a fat fuck) I told her it wasn't anything special and ended the coveration, but I know she'll keep asking, since she's very curious.

Would you use this as some kind of reward for good behavior, since it isn't that difficult to find out what the marks are or never tell her anything about it?

4 upvotesNYCMusicMarathon6 months ago

I told her it wasn't anything special and ended the coveration, but I know she'll keep asking, since she's very curious.

This could be considered a Shit Test.

Be careful giving away info that doesn't need to be said.

1 upvotes_DeezNuts714_6 months ago

You could say you were overweight as a kid/growing up

4 upvotesherpaderpadont6 months ago

Shit happens ALL OF THE TIME. Women talk, that's what they do. If they are talking about other guys, they will talk about your dumb ass as well.

If you absolutely need someone to lay your shit on...get a therapist.

Use your post nut clarity to plan an escape route.

2 upvotesImhaveapoosy6 months ago

Next thing I know red pill is gonna teach me how to cum too. I mean I wouldn't mind or anything.

2 upvotesredHussar6 months ago

Thats silly. Post sex talk is usually good moment to get honest answers

2 upvotesserynada6 months ago

but you’re speaking to being on offense. the OP is discussing defensive strategy.

2 upvotesMotiMorphosys6 months ago

For n00bs, yes. As a rule.

As many people have mentioned, I usually do talk after sex.. only about things that interest me though. After you've spun a few plates, treat this one on a case-by-case basis. Some girls literally WANT to leave/you to leave afterwards. but most aren't going to flip into relationship mode just because you have a conversation. One loves to take a shower with me.. one I trade phones with and we fuck with each others' tinder matches. Sometimes we watch a collection of my favorite funny youtube videos.

Spending the night is still always a no-no for me... unless she's driven more than a half hour, and it's negotiated before plans are set.

2 upvotesMarcozy146 months ago

Great post. I'd like to clarify from the back and forth argument going on in the comments. From my experience, if I pillow talk with a woman of higher SMV than myself, then yes- she will likely lose attraction.

When I've pillow talked with women of lower SMV than myself, they usually get very excited that I'm opening up to them, and they become hooked. They also become conditioned to keep wanting to have sex because that is the only time they get to see that side of me.

tldr: Don't pillow talk with woman of high/higher SMV than yourself. If she's lower than you, do what you want, she'll likely get more hooked with the pillow talk, but will most likely be hooked regardless.

2 upvotesgmikeygdizzle6 months ago

Use your lesser plates to do beta shit and experiment. I always reveal my soft side to a plate that’s low in my rotation

2 upvotesStandgrounding6 months ago

As an extrovert I find it difficult to "just shut up".

1 upvotesrussian_nigger6 months ago

same here, i obviously don't talk about shit that's none of her business, but I'll have a good convo every time and they love it. then they want me to be their bf at which point shit falls apart because that ain't me, shorty

1 upvotesStandgrounding6 months ago

At least you're likeable lol. I often come across as dumb, naive and obnoxious, and I don't think red pill can help me much here.

2 upvotesafterthe_fapocalypse6 months ago

Guys who confide to loose women are lighting the fuse to a bomb and rolling it toward their reputation. I made this mistake. No woman you sleep with who is not your wife can be trusted, and even then, you have to take precautions. When I slept with her and just stayed, that was one thing. But gushing about insecurities after sleeping with someone is a betrayal of frame. The woman is now forced into a maternal role. And naturally hypergamy kicks in because the guy beta-ed himself.

2 upvotesEdmondDaunts6 months ago

I think it also highlights another point: people in general don’t want to hear about anything but themselves. It’s not their fault, it’s the default human condition

Save your talk for true friends

2 upvotesi-am-the-prize6 months ago

post nut, do bond, if you want to have your LTR (oxytocin) bond with you or make the plate want you more. just be gaurded. know that what you say post nut is not "in a magic cone of silence" just because you're more naked than usual with her when you speak.

as my OYS stated, i've come to think of my Frame not as a suit of armor i have to remember to put on (and i'm weaker when i take it off) rather the skin I am in. So always maintain Frame, especially in traditional times of vulnerability.

2 upvotesThriceLeggedPirate5 months ago

It seems like this post is common sense until you actually feel like you did everything right and get your nut. All of a sudden, she's in your face asking "what are you thinking about babe?" and you break without realizing it. 6 hours later she's getting off her shift at work and tells you its over so she can fuck the next Chad who won't spill his guts. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS.

2 upvotesChaddeus_Rex5 months ago

Use your "post nut clarity" to plan and execute something productive with your life

After a wild night with a nurse at a sanatorium, Schrodinger kicked her out and came up with the wave theory of the atom.

Be like Schrodinger

7 upvotesAndgelyo6 months ago

There was a time when I would go to the gym and the gym employee (Adrian) would just let me go without swiping my membership, not gonna lie, I felt alpha AF whenever I would just bolt in and he would let me just walk in haha I miss that guy. Too bad he transferred out to another gym.

26 upvoteskantianluvboat6 months ago

Did you at least get to suck his dick before he left?

22 upvotesAndgelyo6 months ago

Nah I should’ve though, maybe he would’ve gave me access to free tanning lol #thotlife

2 upvotesGlassland5 months ago

This is how you properly agree and amplify, gentlemen.

2 upvotesTheManWhoSlays6 months ago

It’s funny cause I was think about this just 9 hours ago after fucking a new possible plate for the second time.

I was laying there and she kept rambling on and on about how dramatic and stupid her friends are, while she herself kept saying “I’m not a girl who likes negative vibes” and that typical bullshit.

I just kept laying there with her resting her head in my chest. Saying shit like “oh shit that’s a crazy story” or “haha that’s pretty funny.” Not because I didn’t want to talk, but when I’m post coital I’m practically mindless and can’t really say much.

Is that what your supposed to do?

4 upvotesmasterpiece006 months ago

You Mr. Thundercock has slayed Miss Karen after weeks of passing frame and holding shit tests. You've been going into your local gym without swiping your membership because you're alfa AF and been meditating in Tibet to channel your inner Chad.

This is weird and none of it makes somebody 'alpha', sorry to say.

4 upvotesredditor67tny6 months ago

i fuck with this post, but it’s posts like these that makes reddit wanna ban us

i obviously gain immense value from it, just saying

3 upvotesokuli6 months ago

posts like these that makes reddit wanna ban us

What exactly? All he said is to not get too comfortable after sex.

2 upvotesredditor67tny5 months ago

“don’t talk about your emotional bitch shit.” “the town thot” “her pussy of a doormat” “daddy spanked you until you were 15.” Just some specific ways the message was communicated that could make people at Reddit be like “woah that’s bullying and sexism!1!” even though there’s actual value for men to take from

2 upvotesrestorerofmorality6 months ago

Now here she is the next day telling me how much of a bitch he is and sharing his business with me, shit that he shared with her in confidence and in the confines of his bedroom.

important point, they do not have any concept of trust and honor as we do, betrayal is simply in their nature

1 upvoteschasingexcellence6 months ago

You had to wait weeks to smash??

1 upvotesJust_Isaak6 months ago

The story of Sampson from the Bible does a great job outlining the same scenario.

1 upvotesWadKnock6 months ago

Well technically if we pump and dump so many whores because we're right chads, getting some load off our chests with like 2 of them should not have too much of an impact other than making us feel better right?

2 upvotes102117991075 months ago

Spilling your emotions is reserved for your close male friends granted you come up with a solution and not just bitching.

Women don't respect men who act like women.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 6 months ago

I apologise if I come across a little feisty, it's just that I had an 8 hour shift with the town thot and she had the nerve to talk shit about this dude who poured out his heart to her. Now here she is the next day telling me how much of a bitch he is and sharing his business with me, shit that he shared with her in confidence and in the confines of his bedroom. But ofcourse this slut doesn't give a fuck because she just thinks her doormat of a pussy was made by God's right hand.

Do you think he would have cared if it had been the other way around?

1 upvotesredpillcad6 months ago

she had the nerve to talk shit about this dude who poured out his heart to her. Now here she is the next day telling me how much of a bitch he is and sharing his business with me, shit that he shared

She did exactly what you rightfully advised not to do. She lost girl game because she felt the thrill of an AlphaFux (you that moment)

Women reveal the whole game to men who make them wet. They cant help it. Nothing will Redpill a man like being a bitches AFux once.

Most men wont ever get there

1 upvotes102117991076 months ago

Not barfing up your emotional bullshit is correct, but you're missing the point of the period after you fucked and "laying there"

1 upvotesomarbradley426 months ago

Turk's nutsack overflow on ramadan.

1 upvotesStevenMcballsack6 months ago

I just try to plan my escape immediately after.

1 upvotesoldboldpoet6 months ago

I understand the rationale behind the anti-marriage animus on this sub, but it must be sad to not have someone you can share everything with in a post-coital chat.

1 upvotesUnbreakableButts5 months ago

Weeks? I think that's way too much time invested in anything other than a high payout client.

2 upvotestriavatar6 months ago

Muslim, not Arab. Plenty of Arab Christians

-4 upvotesmasterpiece006 months ago

Who cares, all third world peasants beneath society.

4 upvotesSerbianChadnik6 months ago

Christianity and Western civilization started in the middle East. The Arabian peninsula today has the highest standard of living in the world. Take a trip to Dubai sometime or visit the ancient quarters of Baghdad, Damascus, or Istanbul. I promise, it will improve your opinion of them especially in contrast to the shining metropoli of Detroit, Baltimore, or Jackson, Mississipi.

1 upvotesTheRealCher6 months ago

Western civilization started in Greece/northern Europe. Egypt and Mesopotamia weren't created by Arabs. The Arabian peninsula is wealthy because of oil not productivity. Istanbul was made by Greeks and Romans, not Turks, and Europe is far more beautiful than Baghdad or Damascus. Much respect to Arabs and Muslims but let's not act like the middle-east is as civilized as the West.

2 upvotesWhopper_Jr6 months ago

Iran literally means Aryan

1 upvotesmasterpiece006 months ago

So terrorist street shitters in other words.

1 upvotestriavatar6 months ago

Very very technically, Arabs invented society.

1 upvotesTheRealCher6 months ago

No, they didn't. Egypt and Mesopotamia only became Arab after the Arab conquests.

1 upvotestriavatar6 months ago

You mean the Muslim conquests? Because like I said, there is a lot more history of non-Muslim Arabs than there is of Muslim Arabs. Remember, Islam is the most recent abrahamic religion and only about 1500 years old. People were settling in the fertile crescent long before there was ever a Mohammed.

1 upvotesTheRealCher6 months ago

No, I meant Arab conquests often also called the Early Muslism Conquests. Before Islam and the subsequent unification of Arabs they were little more than warring nomadic tribes. Egypt was created by ethnic Egyptians and Mesopotamia was created by Akkadians and Sumerians. During the Rashidun and Umayyad caliphates the Arabs spread into their newly conquered territories but it was only under the Abbasids that they began extensively intermixing with the native populations causing widespread Arabization. Arabs by no means invented society.

1 upvotestriavatar6 months ago

Okay I have a few points I'd like to bring up.

First, states do not "become" Arab, if anything, the population gradually shifts towards whoever is in control and that process takes time. What happened to those states is that they were conquered by a bloody savage and were placed under his territory after losing.

Second, way before any of the Abrahamic religions were a thing, people settled in the Levant region of the fertile crescent. Those people are the ethnic root of a significant portion of the current "Arab" population (please don't equate Saudi Arabia/the Arabian Peninsula with Arabs, it's simply wrong and foolish) and since the fertile crescent is perceived by many anthropologists as the location of the first human settlement, Arabs invented society.

1 upvotesMOSFETBJT6 months ago

Is it okay if I fall asleep afterwards?

1 upvotesserynada6 months ago

yes, but make sure you trust her first ;)

1 upvotesSaneMan296 months ago

Yeah this is a good post. And I do agree with the sentiment, but 90% of the time there's a "hidden" humble brag in posts on TRP.

This one is:

After I fucked this girl, she started telling me stuff the guy she fucked a few days before had told her in confidence. Here's my advice, so you don't end up like him. Here's my advice, so you can be me and not him.

I really wanted to brag that I fucked a girl, especially one that betrays the confidence of beta dudes, but I'll sandwich that in the middle of giving advice.

36 upvotesamphix339 [OP]6 months ago

She works with me you doof, I didn't say I fucked her

11 upvotesDihydromorphine6 months ago

He never said he fucked her.

3 upvotessurethingjanet6 months ago

Disagree - even though he didn’t brag about fucking her- any FR has some piece of advice attached to it that’s gonna be valuable at different level of TRP. Even when the block’s writing sounds like bragging.

This one was one I personally needed to read and am grateful toward OP for it.

-16 upvotesTamadeus6 months ago

This is so fucking dumb, and shows whats all wrong with "The red pill" Pillow talk is the best place to actually bond with this person..

21 upvotesIsbjornsolo6 months ago

If it is used effectively. Get her to bond with you not the other way around. As OP says don’t start spewing “beta” talk at her.

4 upvotesjedicreed6 months ago

Some people never learn. And no, it’s not!

If you are referring to the fact that the pillow talk is the best way for you to bond with her, fell “in love”, get cheated later and everything you said used against you, then yeah, maybe you’re right.

If you want her bonded for you, do your thing. As someone earlier said - pass her the napkins, take a shower and feel the confidence. Even if it’s an LTR.

-3 upvotestraumatix6 months ago

Ah, the anger phase..

Me too

3 upvoteshrm08946 months ago

This isn't the anger phase, it's the delusional phase

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