How far will you go to get to that finish line?(Get her in bed)

reluctantly_red · 2019-07-01T19:43:39+00:00

I have even done or said things I hated just to get there, no shame anymore.

And men wonder why their bullshit doesn't fly... women are expecting you to be full of shit based on their experience or that of their friends and will vet you hardcore before they give you anything.

AndemanMan · 2019-07-01T19:45:54+00:00

I realised at some point that more important than the act is the validation that the act implies. If you misrepresent the merchandise, the quote the buyer gives you is not worth anything.

Zeebuss · 2019-07-01T21:57:04+00:00

I exert little effort, it turns out that if you're a decent person with your shit together you don't have to act like a sociopath to have sex.

kurwajebanamac · 2019-07-01T19:43:36+00:00

No. First of all, sex is not that important to lie, cheat, pretend act or manipulate. 2. As a man, i got my worth, and i dont enjoy when i am in a race that has no ending - chase women. And last and not least, no matter what women have become, i still respect them and consider lying to be a less manly thing a man can do. A man is better than that. If i am getting sex, then it is because i deserve it and not because the dude, i pretended to be deserves it.

wtknight · 2019-07-01T20:04:10+00:00

I’m not going to pressure her in any way. In the past it has happened naturally through mutually strong feelings of love that we had for each other. I don’t believe in casual sex and did not really enjoy the one time that I was in a possible casual sex situation.

throwawayhouseissue1 · 2019-07-02T01:10:08+00:00

I have never wanted casual sex (past age 20.) Been offered several times with the mutual understanding it's just a fwb thing but I turned it down. I only want to have sex in a committed relationship. It makes all the difference in enjoyment for me. Call it a fetish if you have to, but I only enjoy committed relationship sex. So no, I don't lie, exaggerate, or fake anything at all. Is a relationship the end goal or sex?

qantuum · 2019-07-01T20:37:22+00:00

I will maybe hang out sometimes and throw seductive moves. If it's a catch cool, if not I go home and watch series while eating ice cream lol.

blackedoutfast · 2019-07-01T21:18:47+00:00

there is no objective Truth. as long as you have enough frame control, then whatever comes out of your mouth effectively IS the truth for the people listening to your bullshit.

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WestsideMoonWalker · 2019-07-02T02:29:43+00:00

Lying, cheating, pretending, acting etc how much will you do to get a girl in bed?

None of those things. Dishonesty is not worth it to me, and I have no reason to be that way. Being my genuine and authentic self has landed me with wonderful people in my life that actually like being around me without having to bullshit.

Both the validation and the actual act don't particularly matter to me, since I only do LTRs anyway.

[deleted] · 2019-07-02T13:14:15+00:00

Serious question, why just not pay for it?
Why is this deception necessary? just go for a honest exchange between you and an escort

sadomasochrist · 2019-07-01T20:17:36+00:00

This depends on your goals and view of LTRs etc.

Most men on here are LTR focused. That's why they're here. They're trying to keep the dream alive.

It's also why a lot of guys refuse to identify as red pill or fully unplug. They will do anything to avoid amorality.

Hypoagency is built on the backs of honest men. When they refuse (poor urban outcome), it all falls apart and naked hypergamy emerges.

So your question is ultimately...

Are you red or blue pill?

revosfts · 2019-07-01T20:32:23+00:00

"I'm a liar and I really don't care. I tell a hoe whatever she wanna hear." - 50 cent. Words to live by.

ColCrin · 2019-07-01T21:03:37+00:00

Not much.

MakeMoneyNotWar · 2019-07-01T22:17:31+00:00

Depends on the context. If it's within my own social circle, I'm pretty squeaky clean because I have a social rep to maintain. But for anonymous hookups or random online dating outside of my social circle, I think anything is fair game as long as it's legal. Personally, I avoid outright lying. I prefer to keep things open to interpretation and generally don't make any promises.

MisterJose · 2019-07-01T22:48:42+00:00

Once upon a time? I was willing to bend and twist myself, or at least attempt to, into whatever person I thought she would want to go to bed with. Weirdly, although that was a 'lie' in a real way, I wasn't willing to blatantly lie, like "I'm a millionaire" kind of a thing.

Nowadays? Not far at all. It's almost more about making a point more now than it is about getting success. Win or lose, I'm not giving you any compliments or attention I don't think you deserve.

UTC24 · 2019-07-02T00:12:56+00:00

Just be yourself, LOL. Any extra effort is not worth it. Or I should say, any extra effort beyond what you want for your self is not worth it. So, want more FOR YOURSELF, be the best YOU.

[deleted] · 2019-07-02T00:16:09+00:00

I'll talk to them for a few weeks. I know my audience and I don't chat up girls who don't like guys like me. So usually it's just a matter of "Are you currently available and looking" and if they are, a bit of conversation later they come hang out and fuck me generally. I have alot of success fucking girls in open relationships with guys who are actually really chill about it. I tend more towards FWB and avoid ONS, if I'm going to fuck someone I wanna do it more than once.

Tyler_Gatsby · 2019-07-02T00:49:23+00:00

I get the argument that the kind of women we're actually talking about here probably lie too, so may deserve being hustled. I just don't see it necessary to lie. That's just another story you have to keep straight, and something else to mess you up. I hate lying to people in general, and usually only do it when I think I have to to protect myself or somebody.

Can't really say much about putting on an act, b/c it depends on where somebody draws a line. I've played meaner (asshole) to get women before, but I haven't ran into a woman I wanted badly enough to do that in a long time.

I get that being a dickhead works, I'm just tired of that part of the game. Also been not laid for a while for pretty much that very reason. Just tired of getting in the same ol' shit situations that come out of this.

ppdthrowawai · 2019-07-02T01:32:48+00:00

If you improve yourself enough, you don't need to lie and cheat to get women into bed. Honestly, its way easier than you think to be swimming in women, just have to cross a certain bar that isn't actually that high.

That's how you know that alphamalestrategies guy is a big joke. Can't get a girl to sleep with him unless he lies. Anyone can fake it, much harder to be the real deal (and yet not that hard at all).

ohheyhi99 · 2019-07-02T02:08:27+00:00

This is gonna sound like grandstanding, but if my only way to get in bed with a woman is lying, it’s not worth it to me.

CosmicBioHazard · 2019-07-02T02:27:39+00:00

I don’t care for casual sex, but if I did...

I’d just cough up the two hundred dollars or whatever.

reluctantly_red · 2019-07-02T04:59:44+00:00

All I'll do is show up. If she doesn't want to fuck me that's fine. I'll just find someone who does.

wtffellification · 2019-07-02T05:23:38+00:00

how can you live with yourself

passepar2t · 2019-07-02T05:54:20+00:00

Every sexual encounter I've had has been the result of lies and manipulation. If I didn't use those tactics, I would be unfuckable. I'm every woman's regrettable decision.

LeJacquelope · 2019-07-02T07:27:32+00:00

I had over 300 Japanese Animation tapes back in the 1980s era until 1988 when I left home. I hid my anime habit from women to get laid, then destroyed all the video tapes while moving out into an apartment. If you knew how big an anime fan I was back then you'd qualify that as a big league case of lying. Up until my mid 20s I adapted to idiotic American music, dancing, boned up on the sitcoms, engaged in social activities that I hated... in my early dating life there was a lot of pretending in my game.

I never lied about my job or who I knew, or cheated, but yeah, in my youth I did everything in my power not to be identified as a gamer, anime fan or a nerd. That changed in my 20s but one thing stayed constant, I never talked about anime with anyone but my wife.

FairlyNaive · 2019-07-02T10:29:37+00:00

> My dating history has me being from many parts of the world, having done many professions, having different ages and many different personalities and perspectives about things just to get to the end of that rainbow( all lies),

Why on gods green earth would you do any of this? It has little to no influence on desire.

_derekhawkins · 2019-07-02T15:34:23+00:00

I don’t lie. As a principle that I just follow. I just approach women and usually ask for their Instagram(it’s 2019 people who asks for numbers)

From there small talk and then meetups. I don’t need to lie

MDMCrab · 2019-07-07T20:20:18+00:00

Depends on the woman in question. I think there are some who are more worth that much effort than others. Of course, I'd rather be truthful, even if not wholly truthful, than lie outright. I don't resort to lying in case this one ends up being the one.

Aaren_Augustine · 2019-07-01T20:28:15+00:00

I have no moral issue with it, as I see no reason why men should be obligated to uphold themselves to a higher standard than women, but as an experience I hate the idea of having to engage in persuasion.

I'd rather go ahead and pay in money than pay in facade construction, as to me they're basically the same level of distance from validation of the self.

diffdedbed · 2019-07-01T21:22:51+00:00

I'll pretend to sympathize with some crazy left wing ideal (and change the subject) if its a ONS but I've never lied once to get laid, not even a little.

Want me for me or don't want me, for me the game isn't just getting laid, but call it validation in that I want them to be into me.

pnadlerlaw · 2019-07-01T21:24:53+00:00

Contrary to stereotypes and popular belief, not that far. Maybe I’ll reach over to grab the remote.

When I was 15-17, I would have done almost anything.

When I was 18-21, I was willing to wait about 2-3 weeks, but after that, I just assumed she wasn’t “strongly” into me, and I was looking only for girls who were “strongly” into me.

After 22, I kind of lost interest in sex tbh.

Now at 33, I have the odd 23 year old who flirts hard with me maybe once a year. Beyond that, 27+, zero interest in fucking. Zero, none. The 23 year olds, again zero interest in fucking, but definitely interest in seeing how much they want me. Being desired and flirting is more interesting to me than cheating on my wife and sex.

If my wife were to get hit by a bus tomorrow, and I would date again, I would only date 20-23 year old women. Sex with anyone older is honestly not interesting or appealing to me. Maybe that will chance as I get into my 40s. We’ll see.

In terms of my patience, infinite. I could care less about the actual act of sex. I’m all about the knowledge of being desired and wanted, and the flirting. That’s more exciting to me than sex.

I legit don’t get the guys who cheat on their wife or pay girls like $2,000 a month to be their sugar baby, etc. It’s like, dude, you’re 30+ year old. What the actual fuck. Not saying you’re dead, but don’t you have more important things to concern yourself with, like your retirement, your children’s education, your business, etc.?

That’s just my opinion.

hentaipolice · 2019-07-01T19:44:31+00:00

Personally, I won't do anything that violates my values and beliefs. That's probably why I can't even get a date.

CamoWoobie10000 · 2019-07-01T20:35:22+00:00

Literally anything as long as its legal.

Zeebuss · 2019-07-01T20:51:23+00:00

Anything other than sitting on the sidelines until she calls you over is rape.

Period.

Title	How far will you go to get to that finish line?(Get her in bed)
Author	enpower56
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Comments	153
Date	July 1, 2019 7:09 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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