I just went out with a woman "my age", and you should too... but not for the reason you might think.

2015-05-01T03:09:57+00:00

I actually enjoy fucking with those kinds of people. You should have gone on the offensive instead of playing defense the whole time.

abdada · 2015-05-01T02:41:18+00:00

You've got more stamina than I do. I've never made it 20 minutes before rolling my eyes and walking.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2015-05-01T07:19:55+00:00

I'm in my 40s and don't date women anywhere near the fuck my own age. Why? Because I'm not running an outreach program for (as you so beautifully put it, copralalic), "entitled, self-absorbed, cynical, burnt-out-and-worn-out bitches". Give me a chick half my age who isn't miserable cunt, doesn't bitch all the time and is never "too tired" for fun.

R_E_D_1 · 2015-05-01T04:15:27+00:00

I initially didn't want to, but now I actually agree. This kind of shit testing will help improve your game so that when you're with chicks that are actually worth your time you'll be in the zone at all times. I like this idea. I like it very much.

MGTOW_player · 2015-05-01T04:49:07+00:00

It's situations like these when I wish I was sexually attracted to men, shower curtains, or even stuffed animals.

God damn these women.

bakbakgoesherthroat · 2015-05-01T03:16:22+00:00

Oh god, I hope she doesn't raise her kid to be a "nice guy," who's different than all the men who fucked and chucked her.

OKJaded · 2015-05-01T06:26:34+00:00

I find 30 y/o+ shit tests are easy to deflect. Maybe it just fits my natural frame better. Kino, directness, and leading pretty much seal the deal.

Only one date with a 30some lady didnt work out. She showed up and her pictures were definitely years old. She looked and dressed closer to Mom-40 than Single-30. Pictures she had long hair. She was currently rocking a maintenance free lesbo fade. Her first question was how much money I make. Fastest date ever.

"Why won't you tell me how much you make?" "Would you like to date me or date my bank account?" "You're an asshole" She leaves .... My drink comes. I stay and enjoy. 5 minutes later she comes back in "You're not going to answer my question?" she asks as she storms up to the table "This date is already over" She storms off again. I head to the bar to settle my tab. Two early twenties asian girls comment on my muscles, I have a great story to tell them. We laugh the night away.

68461674897051454980 · 2015-05-01T07:15:13+00:00

there was a part @ the end of 'girl with a dragon tattoo' (spoiler) where the guy asks daniel craig to come back into his house and after tying him up to kill him, asks him why people are more afraid to offend someone than afraid of pain

your post is a good example, and a lesson. If you don't like something, just get up and leave. You knew after the first 10 mins it would be complete shit, so just leave. The looks on people's faces when you break social convention and do what's in your best interest is nice, and sometimes it even snaps them back in line and you can salvage the situation. I guess they think if you're so ballsy to break a social norm like this, you must be a big deal

alpinehighest · 2015-05-01T02:45:19+00:00

here here brother, I think we've gone out with the same girl I bet if you ever did make it home, you would have found the local pharmacy in her bathroom medicine case, like I did...but I have to say i enjoyed the challenge, cuz it did exactly what I excepted, made me that better at dealing with the gatlin gun of shit test. The funny thing is I laughed during the entire night, ever shit test she dished out, i just kept laughing..At one point i told her "honey if your trying to get a rinse out of me, your going to have to try alot harder than that" her look was priceless

imnotsupersure · 2015-05-01T16:08:48+00:00

"Why are all the good guys taken?" They're not, they're out there dating younger women because no one wants a 30 something cynical i hate the world bitch. Some of these women think they are on top of the world because they've been riding the cock carousel so long they think they are still a catch. It's a shame for the man that decides to settle for a divorcee, raise someone else's kids, or tolerate a woman like this.

PlanB_pedofile · 2015-05-01T13:09:41+00:00

Only time to date a 30 something is when she's half your age :)

RPJapan · 2015-05-01T04:30:08+00:00

I met an amazing 35 year old woman at the gym the other day. Feminine, amazing body with gravity defying tits, the works.

Check out my username if you want the location.

scarletspider3 · 2015-05-01T04:36:23+00:00

I almost laugh at those old hags. They still think they got it and they're hamster and standards are thru the roof. I just walk away cause I don't need all that bitterness fucking up my mojo.

Revo_Luzione · 2015-05-01T05:17:29+00:00

I had a ball with these dames when I was on Tinder last fall. They're my age cohort. I made it a point to only meet at a bar on my block, or within 10 minutes walking of my house.

The rapid fire shit tests usually quit when I'd casually mention my ex-gf was 23.. that usually nuked the whole date. I did get a few sloppy makeouts & BJS from it, but never called any of them back. I lost frame exactly one time, when a late 30's crossfit chick, ripped to shreds, full of tats, bleach-blonde, she was pinging IOIs on the date, self deprecating humor--it threw me off. She was from Wyoming. Maybe a dude? I don't know, but I don't do Tinder currently, and I don't do cougars.

2015-05-01T07:56:13+00:00

I imagine myself sitting at a bar and you plopping down next to me after that experience, ordering three fingers of Glenlivet 15 neat, handing me a glass as well(this is my imagination), and then downing it all with a sigh of relief.

ShitfacedBatman · 2015-05-01T09:27:20+00:00

No way, I'll pass on that bullshit.

Want a quick red pill truth? Single mothers, post wall women, and women-who-don't-want-children will self-sabotage the shit out of their dating lives. Like how Vyvyan from the Young Ones handles the atom bomb in the kitchen, that's how they "date."

Doomsday_ · 2015-05-01T15:24:30+00:00

Mark Manson has a good point about situations like this, where he says you should be prepared to walk immediately if a woman doesn't cease rapid-fire shit-tests after a volley or two.

The example he gives is literally him getting up and leaving in the middle of a conversation, just because a woman insists on calling his hitchhiking road-trip irresponsible (after he's swatted away her first comment about it). He just says "clearly we have different values" and fucks off.

Remember that shit tests aren't just about the attitude you respond to them with, they're about the boundaries you set--what you're willing to tolerate. All your power comes from your ability to walk away.

derkonigistnackt · 2015-05-01T12:05:23+00:00

it's all good fun. Back when I was dating I would go out with absolutely all kinds of women, if they bored me or gave me shit I would go full retard and make over-the-top stories up. I never gave most of these women my real name anyways. My highlight was asking one of them to give me a beat and start rapping about how bad our date was going so far. Seriously,.. when you go on a date, the right attitude is that she is there to entertain you and if she fails to do so then you have to entertain yourself.

asdfghjkltyu · 2015-05-01T11:36:01+00:00

Your experience is the opposite of mine with women of that age. I find them to be blatant suck ups until you get to know them a bit better then it basically goes how you say it is.

The funny double standard is if men behaved this way they'd label them as having mental illness or being an absolute asshole, but its normal behavior for women.

2015-05-01T06:14:32+00:00

its not shit testing with them its power playing. if you dont bend over they walk, some of them like the challenge but the powerplays are relentless and as soon as you cave they treat you like garbage. i have had my fair share of cougars and fuck that

MentORPHEUS · 2015-05-01T07:38:44+00:00

Some women in this age group are bitter, burnt-out husks. Others are low N-count women who stuck out a crap marriage till the kids grew up and are now hitting the market eager and willing to be with a better man.

Both kinds have their place. The bitter damaged goods, heavy shit-testing kind is often DTF for a time if you can stand it, and there's no doubt you can use the experience to hone your Machiavellian and Red Pill skillsets. When I was new to the sub, I started seeing one of these who was sweet at first and quite good in bed, but the claws came out way too early in the relationship and way too sharply. It didn't even last two months and I mentally regaled in how well Red Pill techniques worked under heavy fire, and came out unscathed, wiser, and stronger myself, leaving her sending me unanswered apologetic emails promising to reform her bitchy ways.

On the positive side, I've had good LTRs with women up through their late 40s who had the foresight to know that a woman's youthful SMV fades fast and cultivated Charm and worthwhile pursuits. Many women also find their sex drive goes way up for them over 35.

OP is right that dating a woman like he describes can be a useful challenge for an aspiring Red Pill man, though a modest one. Now imagine meeting a charming, intelligent, educated, successful (think Physician), attractive, all around top notch 40 something, where it's honestly debatable who is the prize. How do you handle this challenge?

BlatantTRPThrowaway · 2015-05-01T04:59:32+00:00

Maybe she's used to getting pumped and dumped in the mausoleum, but then again, maybe she was so used up, she had a bunch of pesky STDs that would've snuck out of the condom and onto your balls. Definitely not worth the night.

This sounds like a shit test barrage you should be happy you failed.

AK27ABROAD · 2015-05-01T08:22:29+00:00

This would be an interesting exercise, from a "how well can I hold my frame" point of view.

Discomfort makes you stronger. I might just go to a local harpy hang out and ask one out tonight. Now where can I find one…?

Postboned · 2015-05-02T10:55:42+00:00

Finally she started talking shit about gay guys. Fuck that. You can't say gay guys are the problem because you don't know what to say to your kids.

Dude. Come on. You're gonna make others think we are not homophobic bigots they portray us to be!

copralalic · 2015-05-01T04:22:48+00:00

Now now. Not all 30+ women are like that! No, really. I've met some nice ones. I've also met some really venomous, nasty 20-somethings.

As soon as you discover someone is an asshole, cut your losses and move on. You can just say, "Well, I can see why you're single. You're utterly lacking in charm! Good-day!"

HeadingRed · 2015-05-01T16:09:13+00:00

The more I pay attention the more I come to the conclusion the wall is in her head and her mouth. I live in a very large city and there are ton's of women in the 35-50 bracket who are in amazing shape and attractive to this 40-something guy.

Then the attitude shows itself and internally I go "not again"

DaphneDK · 2015-05-01T09:51:42+00:00

Conjugal fidelity of married partners of an equal age is more onerous on the husband, since we all know men are a lot more attracted by youth and innocence than are women. So in that way rather unfair deal. I suspect a lot of successful marriages are based on the wife turning a bit of a blind eye to a reasonable level of leeway and straying here. Could also be interesting to see the age differences in successful marriages compared to those that break up.

ostroman1989 · 2015-05-01T11:32:20+00:00

So basically you dated a woman your own age but with remaining SMV , big mistake. the only ones worth dating in that category are those who had no smv in their youth due to some problem factor, I have a theory though that the reason we humans aren't wrinkled and look kinda cute (relative to our ancestors, look at those fucking skulls and try to draw a face on top of em...) is because men would select for youthfulness in women. so an older woman, say 32 who hasn't hit the wall might be a result of some good genes , without them the pre wall period might have been 5 years? who knows. its an interesting thought experiment, our whole society would differ.

back on point, women with high smv at this age who had higher smv in their youth obviously cashed out on it meaning that their own ego is through the roof, as the bigger it is the harder it falls, one could bring it down and up with enough skill thus ending the shit tests.

CryptoManbeard · 2015-05-01T14:55:29+00:00

Maybe I have a special demeanor that can pull this off (I'm very lighthearted), but I generally just call these women out. "Wow, you hate gays? You're a real asshole." And then I will find things to tease them about throughout the night. "Oh that waiter looks gay, we better leave before Jesus gets offended."

Now you're on the offensive. If she continues to act like a bitch, you didn't like her anyway. My goal is to make them laugh at themselves, if they start realizing they are being an idiot, I win.

Sounds like you dug a trench and were too committed to the date itself.

thepillwastaken · 2015-05-01T15:00:29+00:00

My first question is why the hell would you take this creature to dinner?

Older women (really any woman) like this need to be a little uncomfortable. You can't sit across from her and eat salad. That's her sweet spot. Of course she filleted you. The table was set for it - if you will.

Doomsday_ · 2015-05-01T15:20:04+00:00

I don't know why I didn't end it after the annoying dinner

You fucked up in the first place by taking her to dinner.

2015-05-01T16:55:31+00:00

You resorted to God bashing? Really? it couldn't have been that bad.

the_red_scimitar · 2015-05-01T21:51:04+00:00

As others have said, you tolerated this for far too long. Actually just letting her rant on is a total loss of frame.

I've been there, though. The instant I realize a rendevous is not going to have any future, I end it. I have nothing to lose by doing so, and an evening to gain back that might still be salvageable.

But while I like your point, and have certainly dated in that range, with children, etc., I wouldn't say there's no fun, life, etc. Innocence? Nah, and I don't care about that, personally. But since I don't participate in any shit test I can detect, even 10 minutes of such crap will have me getting up to leave.

To be honest, though, this hasn't happened in a while. I think I've gotten better at reading just who may be of that ilk.

fhghg · 2015-05-01T22:34:58+00:00

I have had my fill of Shit tests. I could not stand to go on a date with one of these older women with their destroyed vagina. I cant accept anyones tests if there pussy can take a fist. There confidence is a lie, how can a man get hot for them.

2015-05-02T05:08:01+00:00

"Because these entitled, self-absorbed, cynical, burnt-out-and-worn-out bitches will remind you what is wonderful in a woman -- because they have absolutely none of it. Joy? Joie de vivre? Fun? Innocence? Nope, nope, nope and are-you-fucking-kidding-me?"

And yet we men of their age are all supposed to be lined up around the block to date them. Yeah right. Bitter, bitchy, & entitled coupled with their introduction to The Wall? Oh hell no. Shit tests galore...but yet they've been introduced to The Wall? Oh hell no. And let's not forget - as it was said here on TRP - their creeping eccentricities...and their introduction to The Wall. Oh hell no.

The carefree, playful, fun, and zest-for-life attitude of younger women is so much more appealing. When I think about getting out in the dating world knowing how women my age are, I quickly move on to more pleasant thoughts.

So I'll be in for a: bitter, bitchy, entitled and demanding personality who puts her kids first and may give me some of her time after she's finished being mom for the day? So I'll willingly sign up to be at best fourth or fifth on her lists of priorities?

I think it would be fun to call them out on their tests by saying, "You're running shit tests on ME but yet you've been introduced to The Wall? I don't think so." Then walk away.

C00l_Guy · 2015-05-03T02:22:24+00:00

Stopped reading when you mentioned louis ck and queers. You need some help OP you've got some poison in that brain of yours.

qualia00 · 2015-05-01T02:45:38+00:00

Why waste your time on a woman this age, especially when she is a single mother? The effort/time/resources you spend won't nearly equate to a payoff, unless you're actually trying to learn how to game women this old. I think you're better off lifting, reading or spending time on yourself or on actual prospective plates.

cock_pussy_up · 2015-05-01T11:37:50+00:00

Sounds like a reason to avoid those women at all costs. For one thing, going on a date with a woman like that costs me time and money that I wouldn't want to waste on a physically unattractive, worn down, baggage-addled, bitter, unpleasant individual.

2015-05-01T14:02:36+00:00

If a woman shit tests you it's because she already wants to sleep with you. She just wants to know if you'll crack if she softens up and trusts you. That being said, I put a stop to them after Just a few. One or two is for her comfort, five or six is trying to punk you out. Women aren't aware of what they're doing and they think they are being playful, or challenging. Some do know, and that's even worse.

TheRealMouseRat · 2015-05-01T14:57:31+00:00

It sounds like you also got to work your shit test handling skills. If you're used to a minigun, a pistol become easy.

isaacavatarr · 2015-05-01T15:13:51+00:00

aging single mom who used to be hot shit hasnt let reality catch up. the whole point of dating women past their prime and with kids is supposed to be not having to deal with the usual bullshit.

2015-05-01T22:42:45+00:00

Just imagine being married to her...

Jokoran · 2015-05-03T20:58:22+00:00

At that point you need to immediately forget she's thirty-something (or whatever your age is) and treat her like the spoiled brat she is. If she behaves like an 18-year old "princess" then she's going to be talked down to like one.

waynebradysworld · 2015-05-04T23:33:18+00:00

You think they are burned out at 40? Just wait and add another 10 years.... LOL

2015-05-02T02:13:55+00:00

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Title	I just went out with a woman "my age", and you should too... but not for the reason you might think.
Author	copralalic
Upvotes	133
Comments	131
Date	May 1, 2015 2:29 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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