Honest Observations after 8 years in the game

TheNathanW23 · 2017-09-18T08:46:29+00:00

This is a great post that shows the best of red pill. Most love to believe we're all paranoid assholes who think women are out to get us, when in reality we just don't want crazy women. We want to become great men and achieve our personal life goals and get a woman who understands that, supports that and doesn't attempt to make us her lap dog. There is nothing wrong with that. It is smart and it is what a relationship should be. Men trying to be the best men they can be for themselves and the women worth keeping around on the journey.

PaperStreetVilla · 2017-09-18T16:33:22+00:00

Treat women like men, of course you begin to think of them as shitty, evil men. Men have never been able to get away with acting like that.

Treat women like fun children, and you begin to appreciate them for their impulse driven actions. When a child screws up, you aren't mad at them, they didn't know any better, it was just what they were wired to do.

Of course, you don't let children near the things you value most, they will just break them

Hellsteelz · 2017-09-18T08:21:36+00:00

This is a very good and simple post for the newcomers that have read the sidebar. It almost feels like an synopsis of the subreddit.

I especially like the the two first points:

Women are not inherently evil. It's not their fault.

Every woman is different, Every woman is the same.

They really go hand in hand, just the way you described it. Often you see too many posts and comments on this subreddit that puts women down. You should not hate them or dislike them, they are like they are by nature and its going to be much easier for you if you accept it. The journey is about you, not them.

ozaku7 · 2017-09-18T14:20:29+00:00

One last thing, no one's perfect. If you slip up don't freak out - girls realize that we all make mistakes and no one is perfect. They care more about who you are inside over the long run. They will look over a occasional breakdown or episode here or there if you are a quality guy. P.S. One more thing. You don't have to have a pornstar dick to please a woman. But learn how to do it right and drive her crazy. She will keep coming back for more. Unfortunately there is no substitution for practice. A steady girlfriend is not the worst thing ever.

Steady girlfriend are fine. In my opinion, you have mastered TRP. You just accept the game as it is, you know how to play it and you can still find happiness in the common life like having a long term relationship without having to stroke your ego by ramping up your n-count. After a couple of one night stands I just got sort of tired and just want a steady girlfriend that respects me, looks forward to me, who can brighten my day with her humour and just be a great companion in general. And I will return the favor by being the man she desires. Women are looking for men, not a son to take care of. Everything you said is right on point.

Fusion_power · 2017-09-18T18:41:58+00:00

There is a nugget in there that can be used.

"Girls just want to have fun"

I asked a woman why girls go for "bad guys". Her response was certified redpill. "because they are fun!"

You can have a ton of flaws, but if you do interesting things and are a "fun" guy, the sky is the limit.

Rudeyyyy · 2017-09-18T16:02:17+00:00

I'm 5'4 and ironically all the girls my height or shorter that I've asked out have said that I'm too short and they need someone a lot taller. And the women that were taller then me were more receptive ironically.

TunedtoPerfection · 2017-09-18T20:43:16+00:00

Try to drive a nice car, have a nice place and have a decent job

This should be changed to:

Try to drive a maintained and clean car, maintained and clean place and have a job your interested in

A 2017 S class is a "nice car" that any girl would love to be seen in. A 2017 S class with faded, chipped paint, that sounds like it's running on half it's cylinders is still a "nice car", no chick would want to be caught dead in it. It's much more important, both financially and from a red pill stand point to have a cheaper, maintained car then a POS with some rims, exhaust muffler and LED lights. Same goes with your personal place. You could live in a 5 bedroom house at the top of Malibu Canyon, if it looks like a landfill everyday it's not going to help you.

It all boils down in taking pride in yourself, your image and the image you give off every time you step out the door. Some people argue that things like these all boil down to seeking validation from others. I once agreed with that group until I made these changes myself. What people who don't make these changes fail to understand is people don't give you validation for these things, they give you respect and trust.

Very few people tell me how "clean" my car is and are actually referring to the cleanliness of it. I have however gotten business because of how clean my car is consistently. See a man that pays attention to those small details and has those small aspect of his life handled signals that to the world. It signals to everyone that he is responsible and commands respect.

First impressions are huge in the modern world, sometimes it is the only impression you have on a person. First impression are such that you may not even know your giving it. People will use their first impression of you to base their whole line of future interactions with you. First impressions are so powerful that even with a mountain of contradictory evidence people will still compare you to their first impression of you. This can be for good or bad. An amazing first impression can offer give you quite the halo effect and vice versa.

Even if you overcome that impression, there will always been the memory they had of you in their mind. You must be relentless in your maintenance of your life. Take it from someone that use to have to fight hard against the impression I gave out. Much more opportunity seems to roll your way, at a much quick rate, when you make good first impressions.

SextupleRed · 2017-09-18T07:38:57+00:00

This is good but I lost track of the number of things I learned in here.

UrsusG · 2017-09-18T11:47:13+00:00

This is a good summary, OP is reasonable and balanced.

Phoenixtorment · 2017-09-18T10:06:15+00:00

Women are not inherently evil, it's not their fault.

This is an essential component of achieving inner game.

And really isn't letting them off the hook but is rather a confirmation of AWALT. They weren't evil for rejecting me they were simply robotically responding to my lack of alpha. Now they do the reverse.

The problem is the bollox about you meeting "that special someone" or "there's someone out there for you."

These are hideously limiting beliefs. Those girls are the same girls - the rejectors and the special ones - YOU make all the difference.

InfiniteAscent · 2017-09-18T20:18:51+00:00

6's and 7's can often be a lot more fun to hang out with and sleep with than perfect 10's. In fact, they usually are. The hottest girls are often not worth the headache.

This is good confirmation, but I don't think that statement is appropriate for men who haven't mastered TRP yet (myself included). It gives them an excuse not to try for the 10's - to allow themselves to give up before they've reached the top. I see so many posts here by guys talking about HB7-8s thinking they're nailing this TRP stuff. I don't want to diminish their efforts, they put in some solid work and are getting results and that is all well and good. I just don't want a comment like this to become an excuse for guys to stop short.

BTW, nice post!

Grim-Reality · 2017-09-23T02:03:25+00:00

To be honest, this drive behind the red pill, is so empty and fucking shallow. It is so lifeless it irritates me to hear about. For fucks sake. The guys doing, this must be quite painful. you kill your own self and personality to become something you are not. And the women that this works on, must be on another level of shallow. This game is tasteless and meaningless, but if you want to play it for the rest of your damn life, by all means. Just know that this game is the worst thing a man can do to himself. Take a good look at yourself, and search as to why you doing this in the first place.

sh0ckley · 2017-09-18T10:25:20+00:00

What great way to begin my day. Thanks for the good post. Lots of wisdom in here and OP has clearly earned it.

bananabankr · 2017-09-19T01:07:58+00:00

Dude this is a really great post, good summary of what TRP is really about.

[deleted] · 2017-09-18T16:02:13+00:00

I started doing it to conquer my loneliness and sexual frustration but that was years ago. Now I do what I do for me.

That's the red pill. Women won't ever complete you, your own sense of self worth will.

pugh88 · 2017-09-18T07:08:27+00:00

Great post. Nicely balanced.

DysfunctionalBrother · 2017-09-18T12:50:29+00:00

"Women are masters of emotion. If you succumb or react to her getting angry, upset, or vindictive, she will subconsciously sense weakness and question your ability to provide for and protect her."

Great post, but just to confirm by reacting do you just mean caving in to make her happy? Or are there other reactions you feel are not helpful and some that are?

Man-with-a-pitchfork · 2017-09-18T18:04:19+00:00

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Here's what you can do about it:

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uebermacht · 2017-09-18T11:58:28+00:00

Awesome reference experience written in a beautiful text!
I really appreciate the sharing.
In addition to this, a visual form of the male-to-female dynamic: https://youtu.be/d8ZPwIn82GU
~ Cheers!

fartingaround · 2017-09-18T18:02:16+00:00

This is arguably the most level headed post ive read on here so far👍

drqxx · 2017-09-19T01:01:20+00:00

Saved for later review.

Also

The hottest girls are often not worth the headache

I had to learn this the hard way.

Luckyluke23 · 2017-09-19T07:10:45+00:00

I knew all of these things, but it's GREAT to hear them from a different prospective. great write up man

Scymnus · 2017-09-18T14:50:01+00:00

Women are not inherently evil. It's not their fault. They are fundamentally different than us. Their brain has a different chemistry, and it's not their fault. They are the more vulnerable sex, and their brains have evolved to maximize their ability to survive and reproduce. They will always look for a man who provides them with status, safety, and security, while secretly or overtly desiring the alpha male - I don't think I need to explain what an alpha male is on here. There will always be someone better looking, braver, manlier, more successful, wealthier, or better looking than you. Accept that if your wife or girlfriend encounters this man she will be extremely attracted and her instincts will scream at her to sleep with him.

And how would you define who is evil and who is not? Is evil some inheritable trait making you commit evil actions on others? Or is evil a description of someone who has a tendency to commit evil on others?

You can't blame women for being fundamentally different from us, but exactly because of what you describe they have a tendency to fuck men over in the form of shaming, destroying their reputation, taking their children, taking their resources, alienating them from loved ones etc. I would describe all these actions as evil in a traditional moral sense, which is the basis for most guys definition of evil. So in the sense of the word as we understand it you could call women evil because they have inheritable traits that make them commit (or at least capable of) such actions. Or you can keep your belief in women's virtue until enough of them reveal their true nature for you to come to the same conclusion.

You're trying to make the point that men shouldn't hate women, to which I can fully agree because it is very unlikely that it will help you sleep with more women. However women's inheritable traits are not going to change, so as long as we keep our traditional morality it will be next to impossible to view women through a red pill lens without regarding them as evil. The solution is not to absolve women of their agency or making yourself blind to their true nature, it is to absolve yourself of your traditional morality.

Every woman is different, Every woman is the same. Don't treat a girl like a robot. They are human beings. They are extremely different in their interests, goals, passions, desires, idiosyncrasies, etc.

This sound like another attempt at watering down the message, and even though it could be argued, the point is moot because it won't help you have sex with more women. In my experience women are all the same at their sexual core, but they adopt the habits of the men they're with or trying to attract. This means that even if a girl has a specific interest for football and mostly fuck high status football players she won't hesitate to fuck the tatted up thug alpha because he still fills up the criteria that her sexual nature demands. Thinking about how women are different just isn't helpful when you're trying to increase your sexual options.

Take what comes to you, you don't need to sleep with every girl on the first date, you are allowed to be yourself, and not every girl is going to like you, whether you like it or not and no matter how good your game is.

Accept being a second-rate alpha, JBY, stagnate and admit defeat. Sure you can get away with this when you've fucked 100 women and don't care as much anymore, but this is all terrible advice for new guys looking to get laid or spin their first plates. If you're talking about advanced game you could make a point about relaxing a bit as your game improves and your options increase, but when you gloss over it like this it just sounds like blue pill bullshit. This is why you should write in-depth theory posts instead of bullet-point lists, what you're doing here is shortening the message to the point where you come off completely contradicting core red pill principles. Remember that there are a lot more new members than experienced ones around here, they won't understand what you're trying to say and will go out making the same mistakes based on the same lies they've always been fed.

M0RKET · 2017-09-18T06:42:51+00:00

Truth and nothing but truth. Well written, brother.

excal10 · 2017-09-18T10:43:50+00:00

Don't treat her like a robot. [...] "The game" is never over, it's always on.

They are human beings who in the area of dating are pretty much controlled by their biology. In the context of dating, they behave like robots or slaves to their biology.

Very few women can detach from their biological scripts.

LeeHarveyShazbot · 2017-09-18T14:01:12+00:00

lol

you guys are fucking losers

Shakydrummer · 2017-09-18T21:19:34+00:00

Easily one of the best posts on TRP in a while

fromthecrypt8 · 2017-09-18T22:29:18+00:00

Great post. Going on a first date with a unicorn this weekend, and needed this reminder.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2017-09-20T08:31:51+00:00

Perfect. Balanced, humanising and delivered in a relaxed manner that counteracts the anger and frustration that its felt in the sub more often that I would like to experience.

Empathy. Women crave alphas? We men also crave hot, young women. Infidelity occurs pretty much 50/50 between genders and we are even a lot more open about expressing our lust for attractive people.

Women crave stability? We also do. A lot. Whether that stability comes from our own self-improvement (great TRP principle) or from having a relationship (boohoo beta buck!) we also want to feel secure, appreciated and wanted.

Shit testing. We are also shit testing them constantly and checking whether or not they are still suitable plates/girlfriends/wives. In the end, quality control is something needed in our lives.

Frustration comes from unmet expectations. You can work yourself to be the best man you can ever be and if you still are raising the bar too high, you will feel frustration. If frustration leads to to action, then keep raising that bar because the sky is the limit. If frustration leads to depression and inaction, take a step back.

And for the frustrated/angry guys out there. Hold on and be patient because it gets better. Teenage and college years can be a grindstone of hormones and unmet sexual and romantic expectations. You feel that women just have it easy and that they just have the bargaining chip, which is true. Afterwards, the tortilla flips and you will be coasting through life and finding women and relationships will just be second nature because in the end, we are just humans learning how to play human.

excal10 · 2017-09-18T10:52:38+00:00

They care more about who you are inside over the long run. They will look over a occasional breakdown or episode here or there if you are a quality guy.

Quality in the sense of being a good provider and protector? Or being an alpha male?

FROST11254 · 2017-09-18T19:16:01+00:00

Judge women by there actions not words, yet don't hate them when they act like shitty whores?! I just don't know how I can not get mad at the dog that bites the hand...

Roaring40sUK · 2017-09-18T08:48:01+00:00

Great post. Nicely balanced and a welcome chnage from "they are fucking Ho's"

Your point about accepting Hypergamy and finding peace in that, hit home for me. Its like you can look at them and feel a bit sorry for them, having this Hypergamy hamster running around 24/7.

kaane · 2017-09-18T11:45:59+00:00

This is probably one of the best posts that I have read here ever. You should be honored as "the monk of the red pill". There is nothing I can say or add to what you have written here. Even a noob can see the experience and maturity in your message. You are well past the anger phase and become peace with the system, and functioning as a true alpha.

Although you don't mention about it, I know the struggles and hurdles that you had to pass thru. As they say, every obsticle is a test to your determination. And you seem like you are well past those tests, and with flying colors.

Have a good and healthy life brother,

OGlancellannister · 2017-09-18T08:22:44+00:00

https://i.imgur.com/0mKXcg1.gif

Awesome post. Been at the game for about 5 years myself and this completely reaffirms what I've seen. Love the balance man, love the acceptance of female nature while being able to see the incredible things that the masculine/feminine polarity offers. Men and women are so very different, and the ways in which we differ can be beautiful to behold.

It's so important to gauge women using feminine standards rather than the masculine as you say here. Honour and loyalty are masculine ideals and serve no real purpose for women evolutionarily speaking. Recognizing that emotions is the primary currency on which women operate is so crucial for having any sort of nuance in your game.

The part about relationship management is gold in my view. I feel a lot of guys lose their frame, and their game goes to rust once they've shacked up with a girl for a while. Constantly surrounding yourself with attractive women is great to keep the skills sharp, and encourage your woman to keep investing in you, continue to stay fit, attractive etc. It really incentivizes her to be the best woman she can be.

ibpod · 2017-09-18T14:36:17+00:00

Am i only person here ,male 19 had sex with same girl past 4 years planning on getting married soon? Haha

Doomfox81 · 2017-09-18T17:11:17+00:00

Preach. spoken like a master.

SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 · 2017-09-18T23:37:33+00:00

Everyone seems to love this post, but honestly this is just a bunch of general stuff to me that I already knew. You've been in the game 8 years, I was just hoping for more. Don't be offended. I'm irritated because someone like you probably has a lot you can teach me, but in this post you haven't. I have been practicing RP for 1.5 months (reading for about 5 months) and after getting down some of the main principles and still not being too successful, I want to learn what the turning points were for you.

What really made you attractive to women?
What got you from a beginner to being more advanced?
How did you build the confidence you needed coming from awkward and socially unaware?
What advice would you give to those who are awkward and have weak social skills?

I understand going out there and gaining experience is the best teacher. I go out every night, but it's easy to plateau, and gaining valuable insight from a veteran can help us along our journeys.

dewzahundred · 2017-09-19T01:44:44+00:00

For once i don't roll my eyes reading the thread here

HierEncore · 2017-09-19T02:40:13+00:00

What about the 50% of married couples who stay married and never divorce? I guess those women ran away too...

excal10 · 2017-09-19T04:22:13+00:00

Again subconscious and not her fault.

I don't buy this "not her fault" theme. Yes, it's not her fault because she has those instincts. But it's her fault if she's not doing her best to control them when they are obviously harmful.

cesarfd · 2017-09-19T15:45:02+00:00

Never let a girl feel that she is your only option and that you are desperate to keep her...once she feels that she controls the relationship she will start treating you differently, attraction will fade, and she will leave you at the first opportunity.

Not only "options". Options must be translated into actual lays. Never, ever stay sexually monogamous, no matter how amazing you think your current LTR is.

7mil · 2017-09-20T20:08:49+00:00

This is amazing, love from Texas!

rchsun · 2017-09-20T21:25:26+00:00

Great post OP! Good to see a post that doesn't just treat women as objects to be plated.

Every woman is different, Every woman is the same.

Love this. AWALT but that doesn't mean we shouldn't treat them with any less respect, because that's just the way we humans are wired. Sidebar quality OP.

MrEscher · 2017-09-24T22:04:43+00:00

yeah great contribution. was insightful and useful.

Some of the comments in this forum are cringe worthy.

But not yours

godfatherlebron · 2017-09-18T14:07:37+00:00

Great post, but every point you make is " 1. "

njohnson_nj2 · 2017-09-18T20:02:29+00:00

It's been some time since I have read related to women like this without an once of anger. Thank you so much for your comments.

Cozc · 2017-09-18T18:17:22+00:00

This should be retitled "6 reasons you should be gay"

PIQAS · 2017-09-18T10:08:35+00:00

fuck this sounds like rocket science wtf all this trouble for women, imma go abstain from anything sexual, fuck this

MeisterMGTOW · 2017-09-18T12:50:18+00:00

stay calm and mgtow - all problems solved

bellyscratcher86 · 2017-09-26T10:49:01+00:00

I feel sorry for you. 8 years and you're not even close.

victor_knight · 2017-09-18T08:46:03+00:00

Accept that if your wife or girlfriend encounters this man she will be extremely attracted and her instincts will scream at her to sleep with him

You can count on it. ;)

Title	Honest Observations after 8 years in the game
Author	red_rover_red_rover
Upvotes	1612
Comments	208
Date	18 September 2017 06:12 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/46059
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/70t64r/honest_observations_after_8_years_in_the_game/

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