The Welfare State the root enabler of the rampant sexual degeneracy of western society.

TheRedPillMonkey · 2018-09-20T00:05:59+00:00

Lots of men fucked lots of women well before your mom fucked your dad. In all societies, all over time.

If you think that the cock carousel exists because of taxes, you're insane. That's some real blue pill bull shit right there trying to take the responsibility of ones choices away from women. Do you even know what the state pays for?

Also, how are beta men the tax payers here? Lots of tax paying alphas out there.

Or are you saying beta men marrying women are paying the real tax? If so, how the fuck does that relate to actual government taxes?

JamesSkepp · 2018-09-20T07:47:58+00:00

The Welfare State & government policies that favor women through involuntary taxation of men is the root enabler of the high promiscuity among the modern western woman.

Not the "root" one. It's more akin to systemic save-a-hoe. Instead of a BP whiteknight, it's the state.

women are free to indulge in their darwinian alpha fucks desires

Women indulging in their darwinian alpha fucks desires is completely in line with how both genders evolved. On one side you're against un-natural intervention of state, on the other you're bashing women for being women.

That no man is gonna want to commit, or have kids, with a courtesan who cant cross her legs.

Unless he doesn't know about it, which is another part of female sexual strategy that women evolved with. It's not that state covers it up, women do it on individual level.

So that Women in their prime fertility years can ride the cock carousel with the top 20% of men, only to then turn 29 about to hit the wall they and sadly settle with some boring beta provider.

100% in line with their sexual strategy. If you have a problem with that, don't blame society, don't blame women, don't blame state - blame evolution.

This is unsustainable.

It was sustainable without state, civilisation and culture, it will be (is) sustainable with that 3 elements too. Civilisation doesn't rely on SMP.

And most importantly, completely immoral, mainly because it relies upon the involuntary taxation of hard working (usually) betas

First of all, there is no morality in sexual strategy. What you call immorality is actually philosophical or political accusation against the state, while in fact the focus of your post is mostly on how m-f relations evolved.

Betas are gradually waking up to this scam. Hence the rise of mgtow and incels for example.

The proper way to end the beta "slavery" is to become alpha, not incel or a MGTOW b/c both these 2 movements change nothing for the betas at large.

Hence the quote; "enjoy the decline".

Here's an argument against women relying on husbands for support. You're writing - "enjoy the decline", so let me ask you this: decline of what? Tradcon society who FORCED men to commit and provide for a women just b/c he was fucking her? Forced the man to remain in sexless marriage b/c said marriage was arranged? Forced the man to remain in a shitty marriage b/c only infidelity could allow for a divorce? The same society that elevated women to the heights of nothing short of systemic pedestalization via gentleman-ly rules, savoir-vivre, endless damsel in distress drivel, women and children first bs? You're telling me you want THAT society to come back? All in the name of "betas have less sex now"?

But it's not what builds societies & civilizations

This DID build the civilisation where physical capability of the man was the thing that built it and was thus valued. We now have enough technology behind us not to rely on men, but to put the burden of building the civilisation onto machines and automation. This process is an ongoing one, it gained momentum with the scientific progress that we made, starting from the very first agricultural evolution, perhaps even before that from the invention of fire.

the strong sexual bonds and relationships people had prior to the sexual revolution. A nuclear family.

Nuclear family is not "strong sexual bonds". Stron sexual bonds are between alpha and woman who submits to him b/c he's an alpha. Nuclear family is male oriented child conception and rearing, you know the kid is yours, so you'll stay in the marriage. Which brings me to another thing - in order to have nuclear family you HAVE to be married and monogamous. That's not male sexual strategy - we sacrifice that in the name of having nuclear family and BOTH of these things play directly into female sexual strategy (get him to commit, get him to become monogamous, get him to foot the bill). IOW while nuclear family is important for the man, it's ADVANTAGEOUS for the woman. This is an imbalance in the SMP that tradcon exacerbated.

Casual sex gets tiring for men,

No, it doesn't. Find hotter girls, find cooler girls.

and leaves womens ability to bond with a man destroyed.

Woman's ability to pairbond did not evolve to be lifelong. It's "designed" to keep her as long as the CHILD needs protection, which back in the "caveman" days were something around 6-8 years old. After that the cycle repeated. Another man, another woman, another kid. The "lifelong pairbond" is a BP myth. A romantic one, but still a myth.

They get their infamous thousand cock stare. Its unsettling.

Don't fuck high n-count women, as simple as that.

and a natural, stable order between the sexes will occour

The natural order between sexes was not stable. 80/20 rule applies b/c it's grounded in biology, not in any form of equilibrium. What you want is for "society enforced stability" to happen.

You're onto something, but the problem is you're mixing 3 things that don't mix: biological sexual strategies, SMP regulated by society and Stefan Molyneux.

DancesWithPugs · 2018-09-20T00:20:37+00:00

Don't forget unwilling child support taken from men who actively want custody. Pay up or be thrown in debtor's prison, in 2018

VasiliyZaitzev · 2018-09-20T02:35:05+00:00

What do you think about this?

The real problem is the Cultural Marxists and SJWs, all of whom should be shot, but that's another matter.

The Welfare State creates selfish populations who, rather than think about what they will do to earn a living think about "What do I get?" Basically, the bottom half doesn't pay any income tax and thus are happy to vote for every larger lollipops for themselves at someone else's expense.

So that is one contributing factor, together with the birth control pill (not that I'm against, per se but it did enable a lot of sluttish behavior) and the destruction of the family (by the Welfare State and the CM/SJWs).

You are correct it is unsustainable.

huckfinnegan · 2018-09-20T05:11:01+00:00

What the actual fuck did I just read?

Everyone gets taxed, not just 'beta' men. I'd say the rising tide of promiscuity has more to do with society's moral shift in relation to marriage and monogamous relationships than the tax gap.

The idea that beta men are settling for marriage at 30 and all the alphas are out fucking younger babes is laughable. In fact your whole idea of what is beta and alpha and what defines a man is probably screwed up if that's the view you take.

mc_md · 2018-09-20T01:28:59+00:00

It is correct that women benefit from state sponsored largess of men, but this is not the root cause of sexual degeneracy. Cultural decline overall is to blame, and our welfare state is a symptom, not a cause, of an overall loss of individual responsibility and accountability within modern society.

Don’t forget that women have always benefitted by taking resources from men they aren’t committed to. This is the primary female strategy and always has been. The only difference now is that men aren’t voluntarily giving them things for nothing, but make no mistake that society has always had some kind of system for taking resources which men produced and giving them to women.

Furthermore, the highest income earners in society aren’t beta males, man. The ones getting taxed the hardest are the alphas. The top 1% of men pay about 50% of income tax revenue. Unless you think there are a lot of betas in the top 1%, it’s alphas who are being coerced into providing. To be sure, we are all getting fucked by Uncle Sam, but it’s not chiefly a beta problem.

Finally, it isn’t desirable women who are living on the dole. The government treats all women better than it treats all men, certainly, but the kind of women you want to pursue, and almost all the women riding the so called carousel, these are not the women being supported by the welfare state. Those women are gross, strung out, have many kids, live in a shit hole area of town that you wouldn’t dare drive through, let alone troll for a date. It’s not as if the aging sorority star really is going to lean back on welfare as her reason for promiscuity. That’s just a function of culture, as I said above.

blaine_freelance · 2018-09-19T23:56:06+00:00

This sounds like a lot of over-generalizing.

mrBatata · 2018-09-19T23:52:42+00:00

Well I don't know what you mean by

involuntary taxation of men

But I'm assuming this is it:

When the State takes care of women's need for financial stability & security, through the taxation of stable & secure men, women are free to indulge in their darwinian alpha fucks desires.

I don't want to get involved in politics because we all think x is better than y and vice versa when both have flaws. One thing I notice is that Americans have a hard time understanding welfare state often associating it to Marxism. Well yes and no, it's not socialism / communism but it isn't capitalistic either. Welfare is more like a safety net for citizens and this is where imo the problem lies. People abuse the system and the government does not move a finger in fear of repercussions.

The abuse will be found in any type of government that tolerates that shit. It's not just women that abuse it men do it too.

In my country for instance the gypsies abuse it without giving a fuck while they steal, rape, threaten, beat, kill, have sexual intercourse with minors, disrupt the community, refuse integration, list continues ad nauseum...

But when you look at their interactions, they are as redpilled as can be if you are a woman you aren't allowed to do shit. But then again they still abuse the system and if they were any other race they would have been picking up soap from the prison bathroom halls for a long time by now.

So what gives?

In my opinion it is the "cuckning" of countries mostly because of "muh FEELZ" and "Daz razist" but also because there is no intolerance for the intolerant. And then we enter into a spiral of degradation. "why should I do x if h doesn't do it? And gets away with it. "

That for me is the problem, and you also see that shit in America. So yes although women found a way to break (from and) the system. This is not caused by them, at least directly. But by a fucking bunch of uneducated voter base and a excessive amount of thirsty beta cucks.

GayLubeOil · 2018-09-20T01:56:24+00:00

You're on the right track connecting sexual behavior to economic policy but the ultimate culprit isn't the welfair state. Plenty of countries have a much more robust welfair state than the US and had much less hypergamy than the US.

China Vietnam North Korea and Belarus are still full blown Communist and the women are less hypergamous than America. If your thesis was correct the opposite would be true.

Neo Liberal aka post Industrial economies grow by transforming everything into a commodity. Divorce is a commodity. Your tinder swipes are a commodity. Your girlfriend's attention is a commodity.

Boyfriends and dresses are disposable in neoliberal economies. But in Communist countries you can only afford one dress and one boyfriend...

wss5112 · 2018-09-20T01:37:59+00:00

I doubt that current state of welfare state sufficiently supports this thinking. People are still concerned with resources. Everyone now needs more money to pay for higher price housing, luxury goods etc. Welfare seems to reduce the tension but not entirely remove it. Whether the slightly alleviated burden on women leads to promiscuity perhaps is a question of degree.

A perfect example is the experiment with rats. Providing completely unlimited water and food in sandbox with rats and they turned out to be a fucking mess may support your thinking but still we are far from that.

This experiment is really interesting. Documented in 1962 called Rat Utopia Experiment studying the behavioural sink of animals in a society when they have no need of any concerns.

Thunderbird93 · 2018-09-20T00:09:15+00:00

I disagree bro. It isn't the welfare state that is the contributing variable towards hyper sexualization. It is TECHNOLOGY. Think of contraceptives and the idgaf ONS mentality, how about abortion and the lack of responsibility? How about internet pornography? When we were brutes we lived more in accordance with nature, now that through capital we have subjugated nature our hedonic capacity is expressed in more extremes.

PhantomCowboy · 2018-09-20T10:13:31+00:00

100% spot on aegir98, it blows my mind to see so many comments in a "red pill" sub from posters who are so deeply in denial

TheStumblingWolf · 2018-09-20T15:12:30+00:00

Speculation upon speculation. Nothing to substantiate anything.

Pascolino · 2018-09-20T16:03:48+00:00

Like my economics teacher used to say: the only reason we give 600$ a month to people living in misery is to buy social peace. It's a lot cheaper than dealing with a revolution. Living at the cusp of abject poverty is not a party. It's been proven many times over that the majority of poor people in the west are indeed challenged to hold a job. Whatever the reason, if we gave them nothing they would steal and violently push back against our social system. I know some people here would be happy to shoot them and claim self defense (killing people who are miserable doesn't appeal to me) but the problem would not go away. It is no fun to have to be on guard 24/7 for fear of your shit getting stolen or worse. With food stamps or rent money the potential for violence goes down dramatically. This is not just women - lots of men are on welfare too.

bigflame123 · 2018-09-20T01:56:17+00:00

I love how you mentioned that people are basically tax slaves, that’s exactly the situation right now, we’re forced to pay for people’s mistakes and lifestyle choices

javixm · 2018-09-20T01:43:47+00:00

I half agree.

Half my disagreement comes from the fact that women can work. Just a little bit of effort into a college degree and a decent job can more than cover for the expenses of living however the fuck they want.

Butt_Man_69 · 2018-09-20T06:10:22+00:00

“Enjoy the decline”? You just got done reading some of Aaron Clarey’s books I’m betting. He has some insightful thoughts and opinions, but they are just his take. They’re not backed up by much. He also calls himself “Captain Capitalism” and has mentioned he was picked on for being poor growing up. Such obvious contradictions. Sure they exist in everything, but he can’t even admit others’ opinions to see his own contradictions.

untonyto · 2018-09-20T10:58:17+00:00

"Enjoy the decline" to a conscious man is actually an oxymoron. First, decline enjoyment further exacerbates said decline. Second, when the decline is over, there will not be much enjoyment left to be had if any. Third, the decline itself is cause to weep and mourn for our future and for our children's future, so that anyone who can enjoy the licentiousness afforded by collapsed moral order is only happy now and for a short period to come, at least until the disorder takes a big dump on them. Fact is, we are at the end of the ages, and "enjoy the decline" sounds like just the kind of catchphrase to lure the unwise to abandon principle and sink down to the level of the prevailing filth. Enjoy what part, competing with other men for the privilege of tumbling in bed with a litany of STD-infested banged-out heartbreak survivors, rinse and repeat? Someone explain this to me.

ColdIceZero · 2018-09-20T03:42:40+00:00

Mods, please remove this political garbage post.

OP ignores the fact that without taxes, there can be no government. Without government, there can be no laws. Without laws, there can be no marriage. And without marriage, hypergamy operates unchecked.

Our forefathers saw the wisdom in limiting marriage to one man + one woman. The alternative is to allow the upper 20% of men have 80% of the women, leaving hordes of angry betas to literally cause mischief and mayhem, disrupting social order.

Despite popular imagery, Viking raiders were not hardcore alphas. Alphas in Viking society had homes, farms, wives, families, and responsibilities. Betas with no lands, no wives, no families, and no responsibilities had the angst and free time to become raiders, pillaging neighboring communities and raping the women they came across.

And this was not isolated to just Viking society. History has taught us that bands of irritated betas become highway robbers, thieves, and other social disrupters, inflicting violence, rape, and death in their angsty wake.

But by orchestrating one woman + one man marriages, this forces the domestication of the otherwise savage and destructive betas.

So in order to have a more stable society, we need to manage beta aggression. To manage beta aggression, we need to pacify the betas. We pacify the betas by artificially increasing the supply of women. We artificially increase the supply of women by limiting the number of women each man can marry. Then we place social and cultural pressure on men to marry.

Marriage is a law. Laws require resources to be enforced. Those resources come in the form of taxes and full time employees who see to the law's enforcement.

Taxes don't increase the incidence of hypergamy. Taxes actively work to decrease hypergamy!

Everyone is a libertarian right up until someone bigger, stronger, richer, or better organized than you wants to take something you care about. Then all of the sudden you become a socialist and cry out for someone else to help you.

LudwigVanBlunts · 2018-09-20T01:33:28+00:00

More Patrice O'Neal mentality type posts, less of this heavy reaching political theorizing BS

Wowitstheinternet · 2018-09-20T03:58:39+00:00

You realize that rich and powerful men have been taking on harems of beautiful women since antiquity, right?

This has nothing to do with the welfare state.

This goes back to King Solomon, and even before him.

Here's something that'll trip you up: those top 20% of men **are** the providers.

The most powerful men are often the richest, have the most resources, and have the most friends. Most "chads" are actually Betas - and that comes with a heavy burden.

Make yourself look better, practice dancing, get some god damn social skills, get some female and male friends to help you out with looking sharp (fashion and exercise), and get out of your fucking house and live an interesting life.

StrongLikeBull503 · 2018-09-20T05:26:22+00:00

This reads like some Incel mass shooter masturbation material TBH.

UnderFighter · 2018-09-20T04:43:56+00:00

The bluepill in this subreddit regarding taxes is so strong. You only need police, courts and military. Every other entity can be closed. People who make mistakes should bear the consequences. It is survival of the fittest after all. I neither want to pay for the SJW welfare, nor for an unfortunate poor old guy. They both should not have made poor life choices and should suffer for their incompetence.

I left the west for this reason, even though I have a Masters in Economics and one in Comp Sci and was in the top 10% income wise. You have almost no regulation, can keep 85% of the money you earn and government does not shit on you for being an entrepreneur. Did I mention that because of the lack of government support, woman need to secure YOUR ressouces? But YOU get to decide whether you give it to them or not. If you have money and/or are skilled you can live a much better life. You pretty much get an easy six-figure salary, because of your western education. And get to keep about 75k. In Germany I only would have kept about 40k. But also the living costs are way lower. Boosting the effective salary to at least double the purchasing power.

I am very happy in estonia and very happy to have left the communist hellhole of cucked Germany.

Seriously, fuck the state and you bluepill fucktards that support it. Go vote for Hillary and feel the Bern you fucking commies. Really, to anyone living in the western world, who despises communists / sjws, move to a former soviet country. They still know the horrors of socialism first or second hand, they fought for democracy and freedom and are still willing to defend it.

I normally do not care about politics and dont discuss it, because it is a time sink and waste.

State provides a safety net. More women are unemployed (or underemployed) compared to men. An individual from which group is statistically more likely to receive benefits from the state? A woman is, generally speaking, a far less capable worker compared to a man. They can not think big and have a larger picture in mind. They are more suited for repetitive tasks, like accounting and the likes. But this is not their purpose in life. Her only purpose is to bear your children.

We got subverted by marxists in this sub. I do not frequent reddit that often anymore, because I have a lot going on in my life and only read it occasionally. But the pro state marxist propaganda gives me a stomach ache. 2 years ago this sub was mostly conservative and some libertarians. Now you have all the leftist losers of society pouring in. Fuck you lefties.

MRPFuckMe1 · 2018-09-20T10:55:54+00:00

So where is the sexual degeneracy part? Not that it’s a bad thing. I’m a pretty big fan of sexual degeneracy myself. Part of the TRP M.O. is spinning plates, so bring it on I say. We’ll just ignore that we encourage following our ingrained male sexual strategy out of one side of our mouth and whine about “the state” and taxes so we can shame women doing the same—which is somehow connected I guess?

Let’s call this what it is... just another Ill-informed political rant on TRP, fueled by the shit-stirrers like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, and gobbled up by Trump-loving douchebags who are just mad for some reason.

Society isn’t working 110% in my favor! I’m mad! It’s taxes! It’s those sexually degenerate women! Immigrants! Feminists! Obama! Hillary! Oh my!

I just survived a hurricane. The speed with which they turned my power back on. The sheer amount of helpers, road crews, shelters, food banks, etc that came out of the woodwork was staggering. Society works pretty damn well around here and I don’t really pay all that much for the privilege. And if young fine ladies want to gobble some cock through it all, more power to ‘em. Quit your bitching.

championchilli · 2018-09-20T02:10:35+00:00

What happened to this sub. It used to be post-pickup lifestyle advice for the man navigating the world through an understanding of natural social, hierarchical power dynaimcs, wtf is this crap.

shelteringloon · 2018-09-20T10:03:24+00:00

I think your confusing the welfare state with laws that favor women.

Edit: I also think your post is mostly claims with little evidence, even ancedotal.

Aktiv8r · 2018-09-20T10:33:29+00:00

You're making a mistake if you think people here want a civilization that is fair. I mean shit, there is a constant smattering of guys proud to fuck another mans wife and laugh at him when he unknowingly raises their seed. That should be your first clue.

Many dont want more people unplugged because that increases their competition sexually. Your pleas will fall on deaf ears.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T10:38:45+00:00

This sounds like some Jordan Peterson grade spiel.

MentORPHEUS · 2018-09-20T00:22:39+00:00

True, much as the Fed Government making student loans nondischargable even in bankruptcy has served to drive college costs through the roof, acting as a backstop for men who impregnate and disappear has exploded hypergamy and single motherhood.

Mind you, the state does not WANT this. They do everything they can to get the biological father to pay for their child, so "everyone else" doesn't have to. Some states will bill "deadbeat dads" for years of welfare payments made to the Mom.

People here like to attribute it to a grand top-down scheme to destroy the nuclear family. I see it as an easy way to build and expand a bureaucracy, which large numbers of voters would readily approve of because of (annoying falsetto voice) the Children.

ryeprotagonist · 2018-09-20T00:38:26+00:00

Truth. You can't truly be RedPill and have lefty political leanings.

Anyone who says different is hamstering.

genuine_destructive · 2018-09-20T02:12:49+00:00

Technology (sometimes made accessible by government funds like contraception, parental control, etc) has made sexual promiscuity possible for women.

It used to be that only men could be promiscuous because we faced the least biological repercussions.

Now we are increasingly on an even playing field.

Fucking deal with it.

You’re the carpenter complaining about IKEA.

Personally, as a hard working male this world has opened up a much larger pool of women to sleep with.

And I’m so down. Evolve or die friend.

king_of_red_alphas · 2018-09-20T08:47:10+00:00

Why are Alt-Right, Trumpet chest beaters are so desperate to link sexual strategy and “alpha-hood” to political ideology.

The fuck out of here with that nonsense.

Far right puritans and far left SJW’s are equally unrealistic about the reality of human sexuality.

And for all the discussion about food stamps, the pill and social security encouraging slutshood, nobody is talking about capitalism’s hyper-commodification of hot ass and men’s (that’s us) worshipping of it.

You do realize that girls can make a good living in the free market being Instagram ass models and twitch cam girls right? That money isn’t coming from your taxes.

You don’t think our elevation of status of the hot chick showing off her half naked body and bragging about sucking cock like Riley Reid has more to do with this trend?

Girls emulate what’s popular and what men like. Were poodle skirts and bell bottoms caused by welfare too?

The media, corporate and cultural feedback loop that has ALWAYS existed.

The difference is commodified culture is now fed back to us (men and women) through a thousand forms of media that weren’t even conceivable 20 years ago and at a speed that can’t be calculated.

Girls want to be slutty because they see guys like slutty girls that fuck like porn stars. No market, no supply.

Welfare didn’t turn porn stars into celebrities. We did.

Welfare didn’t deify Instagram ass models, we did.

Welfare didn’t create a society in which “sex tapes” turn vapid women into multi millionaires, we did.

Live your fucking life and be the best person you can be. If some welfare queen in Georgia is even on your radar in terms of what upsets you in life, you might want to consider your part in the cause of your frustration.

Look in the mirror and take some fucking responsibility. It’a what an alpha would do.

mermella · 2018-09-20T17:17:47+00:00

This is delusional, I'm a woman and I probably pay more in taxes than you do. Why don't you work on yourself instead of blaming the opposite sex for your shortcomings?

Balgoth55 · 2018-09-19T23:26:40+00:00

What do I think about this? I think it's absolutely correct. Watch BPS video series on this. BPS is red pill AF and breaks this concept down perfectly. Watch these and you will have a much better understanding of the topic.

"Why Women Destroy Nations" https://youtu.be/UxpVwBzFAkw

"How Women Dismantle Nations" https://youtu.be/kOMkl3ApTK0

"Only Patriarchy Builds Nations" https://youtu.be/hN1GwOLgjVs

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T01:00:24+00:00

The welfare state emerged as a response to the rampant inequality of capitalism causing The Great Depression. Single motherhood is a symptom of the atomization of the individual from the family, spearheaded by capital, to create more laborers and consumers, and drive down wages. Sexual degeneracy is a symptom of modernity. You're pinning the blame soley on socialism, without acknowledging that socialism is a reaction to capitalism. Its son.

warwolverinewarrior · 2018-09-20T02:27:21+00:00

So you're saying that chicks have better chances at mating with higher quality guys "alphas" and you're blaming society for this new evolutionary strategy of mating muscular "alpha" guys like this sub is guiding you to be?

propranolol22 · 2018-09-20T14:20:50+00:00

I don't know how such a politicized post got so many upvotes...

Your trying to draw a false equivalence to push your political ideals. Hypergamy has existed long before the "welfare state", something which even cursory reading of TRP material makes clear.

HeadingRed · 2018-09-21T10:50:19+00:00

This feels like if The Onion wanted to do a satire piece of TRP they might write this as a mock editorial. Governments collecting revenue = promiscuity and no taxes = monogamous bliss?

The nuclear family ideal of the 1950's is a bit of nostalgia. Much of what we call the decline was going on- it's just that no one talked about it. Divorce rates went up, spouses cheated, we drank did much of what we did now. Back then nobody talked about it.

I'm in my 50's. I have\had boomer friends. When women\sex came up they all pretty much summed it up this way "everybody was fucking back then - it's just that nobody talked about it".

Look at ancient Greece, China and Rome. All ahead of other cultures around them. All have boatloads of sex not occurring between a married couple in the sanctity of the holy bedroom.

Every generation thinks they invented sex, drugs and rock-n-roll. Everyone things they just missed "the best of times" and if we could only go back to just a little while ago all of our problems would be solved.

You're not living in the worst of times - your not living in the best of times - you're just living. Don't get yourself depressed wishing for a past that never was and a future you can't predict. Just live in the now - which is the best\worst ever with the most\least of amazing things and the most\least awful time ever in the history of human civilization.

Skiffbug · 2018-09-20T00:32:59+00:00

Leave politics out of redpill. There are subs for this sort of discussion, and this isn’t one of them.

JamesSkepp · 2018-09-20T00:03:39+00:00

The sexual revolution enabled the welfare state. Not the other way around.

Luckyluke23 · 2018-09-20T01:59:28+00:00

mainly because it relies upon the involuntary taxation of hard working (usually) betas.

I think this goes beyond that and it's ALL man are tax slaves. it just comes with the burden of performance. women can find some guy to give her money. men cannot find a woman to give him money ( generally speaking there could be some arrangement made or something but yeah.)

the problem I have with this is alphas need to work too and they do get taxed. however, they won't support the women if that's what you mean by " taxation"

IRunYourRiver · 2018-09-20T04:28:08+00:00

Ah, but you have the red pill. So the playing field is level once again. Evolution is selecting for a broader set of characteristics than it was in the past. Physical fitness is important, but so are a set of behaviors and communication that indicate a level of intellectualism and flexibility that is greater than in the past. This way, fewer people starve (welfare) and evolution can still meet its relentless demands.

graceful_aggression · 2018-09-20T05:54:56+00:00

Reading too much between the lines.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T05:59:46+00:00

You have some good points but its not this simple really.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T06:17:42+00:00

Meh civilization should fail at this point. I'd hate to see it keep going in its current direction. A large cull and a dash of instability would do wonders on getting traditional roles sorted out.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T08:48:51+00:00

// strong sexual bonds and relationships people had prior to the sexual revolution.

Did they, though? Just because women couldn't fuck around and swing branches as easily doesn't mean they weren't thinking about it. Women were women before the sexual revolution.

ledbymorpheus · 2018-09-20T09:18:24+00:00

Is this what happens when you monk mode too long?

_typhoid_mary · 2018-09-20T10:48:27+00:00

Not to mention if a woman has a child she gets more benefits**** pisses me the fuck off

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T11:41:34+00:00

I would argue not taxes in general, but child support and alimony are the specific tools the government uses to destroy the nuclear family

whatplanetrufrom · 2018-09-20T12:19:24+00:00

I agree for the most part. It isn't just men being taxed to death though. It's responsible women too. We are paying nonproductive imbeciles to mass produce more imbeciles who then grow up, and most of them don't contribute to society in any meaningful way, except crime. So it isn't just sexual degeneracy that's being produced, it's generation after generation of criminals and burdens to the taxpayers also.

mult1versum · 2018-09-20T12:53:07+00:00

Excellent post. I would like to add that the spread of the birth control pill also plays a major role in the increasing sexual degeneration of society. Colttaine made a great video about it.

Acerp321 · 2018-09-20T13:29:36+00:00

Same game. New referees with some new rules.

Each player searching for way to exploit the rules for power.

Women are winning.

Blue pills are batting .000.

Red pill guys are all over the map. Life still isn’t fair. Might get fucked anyway. Accept it.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T13:40:21+00:00

You're basically just talking about the feminine imperative with a weird emphasis on taxes.

confusedguy911911 · 2018-09-20T14:07:49+00:00

I’m astonished how a lot of you people just don’t seem to understand the simplest concept of supply and demand .Ive seen endless posts about how woman should be this and that,it’s their fault for our modern society ,and betas enable this ..... all wrong.Everything you see that’s working so poorly my brothers comes down to simple supply and demand.Woman want sexual freedom and their is ample supply alpha or beta to give it to them, betas want to care for a woman and a child (even if it’s not theirs) so they can feel they are fulfilling their genetic role as a provider, and their are plenty of save a hoes for that role to.

Nobody cares anymore about the evident decline of society because frankly it doesn’t suit their agenda,what’s their agenda you ask ? Looking out for number 1# themselves .They don’t or won’t look at statistics and ask themselves “hey I wonder why more and more people are miserable,depressed or have epic anxiety”why? Because they don’t care , you can’t play the perpetual victim and have a clear view of how the world works at the same time ,those two ideas don’t ever meet on the same street.

With that said as a fellow Redpiller , my personal position on this great society of ours is accept the good parts for what they are and what we have (modern medicine,capitalism where you get back what you put in meaning no limits to growth,the easy availability of information take this site alone as an example ,the easy availability of literature and education).The second part and less glorious is to accept and be aware of the bad parts which when done properly can be advantageous ( the decline of the nuclear family,pandemic of personality disorders, future generations of useless contributors to society caused by piss poor parenting, the shift in wealth and slow death of the middle class )which you can easily avoid if you aren’t retarded, and this list goes on and on.

So in final just being aware of your surroundings doesn’t mean it becomes your role to change everything to your liking “good luck with that”. We are all part of this game it doesn’t matter if you like it or not ,just be smarter than the guy beside you and near the end game you won’t be a victim or byproduct .All one can do is have forward momentum no matter how bad these times are or will be .

One way to keep momentum going is to have constantly greater goals.

Shuttlekilla · 2018-09-20T14:32:05+00:00

This video explains what OP is trying to say, as well as all the comments.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T14:42:08+00:00

First comes the decline. Then chaos. Then the new world order.

MattyAnon · 2018-09-20T15:57:56+00:00

This is unsustainable. And most importantly, completely immoral, mainly because it relies upon the involuntary taxation of hard working (usually) betas. Betas are gradually waking up to this scam. Hence the rise of mgtow and incels for example.

The problem is that "waking up to this scam" makes no difference. Pay your taxes or go to jail.

The third party called "The State" distorts sexual relations in society for the worse.

It distorts sexual relations for the better, so long as you're not a beta provider who has to rely on female financial need to get sex. If women fuck you because they want to, not transactionally, the more secure and happy and non-commitment-demanding the better.

Remove the forced transfers of money through the state, and a natural, stable order between the sexes will occour

There is no stable order between the sexes. Even when women need beta bucks from specific men they still cheat and still get their alpha fucks.

Personally I'm rather enjoying being freed from the obligation to provide for the women I fuck.

We will "enjoy the decline", live out our nihilstic hedonism, and leave future generations to deal with the consequenses of our selfish desires

I'm not making any future generations any worse by fucking women.

saargrin · 2018-09-20T17:09:47+00:00

sounds like some kind of atavistic rant

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T17:41:34+00:00

To an extent, yeah, but you could also blame birth control, condoms, and abortion. None of those are really the cause though.

Society is changing. Values are changing. Children out of wedlock used to be shameful, now it's normal. Divorce used to be unthinkable, now the average time to divorce is seven years (not counting those who don't divorce, of course)

In the grand scheme of things, this is all a very new trend. I imagine the pendulum will swing back. Europeans were pretty skanky during the Renaissance and that was followed up by prude Victorianism.

STALUC · 2018-09-20T19:11:11+00:00

The ascertain that the legislative branch of the US government is systematically sexist against men is preposterous. Fiscal policy in the US is written by congress, which is historically male dominated. Currently, 22 of 100 US senators are female and 84 of the 435 House of Representatives are female (19%). Why would a parliament of ~80% men write tax code to explicitly oppress men? They wouldn’t.

Rian_Stone · 2018-09-20T19:24:44+00:00

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reluctantly_red · 2018-09-20T20:11:34+00:00

And most importantly, completely immoral, mainly because it relies upon the involuntary taxation of hard working (usually) betas.

At least in the United States the pittance paid to single women on welfare is not what distorts the sexual marketplace. What really distorts the market is millions of Beta guys who willingly and voluntarily transfer untold billions of dollars worth of cash, goods, and services to women they fall in love with.

My ex is getting remarried next month. Her new guy is Beta AF! He paid for her to go on a bachelorette cruise without him last week. He's paying for a honeymoon in Italy. And, this is the kicker, instead of a prenup he's transferring title to half his separate property to her (he's already had his lawyer draw up the paperwork).

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T21:17:47+00:00

The issue is literally going to fuck up or at least drastically alter civilized societies.
Personally, I think VR and sex bots are going to be the death and rebirth (hopefully) of women. So many women nowadays offer literally no real-world value other than sex, and even that is only if you are Chad or a beta that is able to jump through her hoops or wait long enough for her smv to drop to less than yours. The pool of beta providers are going to dry up faster than their vaginas during sex with them as more and more men withdraw from the dating scene and satisfy their urges with VR/bots. The decline is real and it is a scary thought that we are all leading to a giant social and political catastrophe in the years to come. What a time to be alive

re4d3 · 2018-09-21T07:29:45+00:00

Totally true. Remove the excessive state and most of the modern society diseases will vanish.

Since women pine for 20% top men, it is obvious that in the past, most of the women had to agree with marriage with "substandard" men. Funny enough, they were more happy than today, being busy with kids and household. Also beta men being the primary breadwinners had in their eyes higher status.

Result of state-sponsored unchecked hypergamy is unsustainably low birth rate, messed up kids from divorced or single moms and state burdening working class by taxes, needed for providing for unproductive society members.

If you want to do something against the decline, teach your daughters to capitalize on their youth wisely, vote for change of unfair welfare, alimony and no fault divorce laws. Alternative is Zimbabwe or South Africa: whites wiped out because "their men wanted just blow jobs", basically being unable to handle their own bitches. Wannabe redpill weaklings.

abudun79 · 2018-09-21T08:40:01+00:00

The root enabler, that's interesting. What are you going to to about it - other than complaining in an online echo chamber?

BurnoutRS · 2018-09-21T12:31:12+00:00

Women have figured out a way to get their betabux at a societal level. Used to be you had to show some skin in front of a rich simp and get him to move you into his estate. Now youre practically born into the estate and all you have to do to cash in is raise awareness of your "predicament" to the man with all the money.

Whats really happening is that we have become entirely disconnected from all that which would instill us with a sense of what humanity truly is. Men, being the more powerful sex, must be aware of both their own nature and women's, to maintain balance within a society. Women, to gain power over men, must strip them of this awareness.

The idea is that neither hypergamy nor polygamy provide the most suitable environment for raising the kind of child that might go on to be one of the top 20%. These are the people from which, according to the pareto distribution, 80% of the collective wealth of humanity (resources, goods, services, etc) come from

Another thing you have to consider is the role the unwashed masses have been playing thus far. Bigger picture what are we working towards as a society? Whenever I want to get an idea of what might be happening on a macroscale, I look to a microscale example. When you start a business like, lets say, a warehouse, you might pay a bunch of guys to help set up your shelving, rennovate the building you'll be using. Then when the job is done, the guys collect their pay and leave. The difference when you scaleit back up is that a job is temporary whereas life is permanent. The middle class, serving their purpose as the workforce on whose back society is borne intothe future, cannot collect their pay and leave once the work is done.

With the coming of artificial intelligience, are we encroaching on the final hour of the middle class in the workplace? Fuck if I know.

As a final point, the best videgames are ones that get progressively harder while still keeping you in a place where you feel competant, yet challenged. You are constantly pushing for new heights of acchievement. Achievement, is a senze of reward and validation. Heroin can give you a sense of reward and validation but theres no upward growth. The best career an opiate user could have would be starting at the bottom with codeine and working up the ranks gradually, through to fentanyl. Experience the highs of lesser opiates and gradually move on to stronger ones. the idea here is time. If you go right to heroin you screw yourself out of being able to enjoy the effects of lesser opiates because your tolerance is through the roof.

Chad dick has a similar effect on women as heroin. Same effect pussy has on guys who slay. We become desensitized. When youre desensitized you have only two options. Short term you find something with a bigger kick. move from codeine to tramadol, move from last weeks boring old chad to this weeks exciting new chad. Or the long term option which is to abstain. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. This is why heroin users often overdose upon relapse. When your tolerance was so high that you had to bang a big old chunk of tar to get off, its really damn hard to figure out what a proper dose is when youre getting back into the game after a couple months being clean. Those big rocks that barely did anything with your high tolerancd, are now a lethal dose with the low.

Anyways the whole point is that hypergamy, left unchecked, legitimately restructures a chicks ability to derive reward and satisfaction from just one dick. shes had so many, so much variety, that its all kind of boring now. Men, being the more powerful sex, have a better chance at corraling the female biological imperative. If a man is more powerful than a woman, then a man who can control himself should have no problem controlling a woman

added todays human can get their fill of sex, drugs, television, food, and get sick of it in a fraction of the time our ancestors could. Small town Sally of 100 years back only stopped at fucking everybody in town because she didnt have as easy of a time contacting a guy in the next town and getting him to pay her way there. The average time it takes for a girl to go from entering the SMV to becoming damaged goods is getting smaller and smaller. If you want my opinion on it, thats progress baby. We, collectively, have gotten so fucking good at meeting peoples needs that there are people who are having their needs met to the point that it destroys them psychologically and eventually kills them. People born into this decadence are like lottery winners. they dont know what to do with it, they didnt earn it and they dont know how to keep it. Im one of them and here's hoping I can see these pitfalls well enough to avoid them

Hjalmbere · 2018-09-24T13:30:21+00:00

”many of you long for the strong sexual bonds and relationships people had before the sexual revolution” - Well boo-fucking-hoo: There’s no going back. Tradcon marriage was a very fragile institution and it’s impossible to restore it. Get used to it. If you want loyalty, buy a dog.

chances_are_ur_a_fag · 2018-09-20T03:29:59+00:00

the slaves are defending their godverment hard in this thread. the state is a helluva drug

GorgeousGamer99 · 2018-09-20T04:24:19+00:00

Can we stop upvoting posts that are clearly soyboys bitter that their oneitis fucked someone else, just looking for something external to blame

hva92 · 2018-09-20T04:45:51+00:00

No, it's not the welfare state, it's chemtrails and galactic waves!

Viking_RnP · 2018-09-20T00:48:33+00:00

Expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T08:15:58+00:00

Anger phase is fun isnt it, also quit trying to apply mortality to hypergammy ya weirdo, it doesnt care and neither should we :) As for building a future, I'm doing my part while doing my part.

andthesilverspoon · 2018-09-20T16:27:57+00:00

I would express my laughter at this in LOLs, but I would end up breaking those keys on my keyboard and I have stuff to do next week.

Meowmixez98 · 2018-09-19T23:51:09+00:00

There needs to be a politician who regularly makes these arguments on television.

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T05:08:28+00:00

So you basically want to remove welfare just so women take your dick in exchange for your money?

I would not be happy with that. Welfare isnt just for women, at least not in my country. And paying women for sex is called prostitution here. not really a good start for a serious LTR. Also, having a beta provider doesnt stop some women from chasing after other mens dick.

I am pretty happy with having welfare in my country. you lose your job? no problem, state got your basic needs covered until you find another one.

what i am not hapy with are parasitic people just sucking out the benefits of the system and never providing anything into it.

mattizie · 2018-09-20T15:50:00+00:00

Fucking spot on, mate.

Socialism or leftism in general is the root cause behind almost everything. From obesity to negative relations between the two sexes.

And you're right, it is fucking unsustainable. Men will only work into the system if they can be placated by purpose: family, career, sex. Take that away, and young men especially will just say to hell with it and flip the system on its head, they don't have anything to lose, and everything to gain.

longduckdongger · 2018-09-21T23:35:01+00:00

This is the most autistic thing I’ve read in a while

dragonite12 · 2018-09-22T08:49:32+00:00

Ok we get it you’re an incel

AlaQaida · 2018-09-19T23:59:34+00:00

There's nothing we can do though. The elite and the Zionists are creating a new world order to prepare for the Antichrist

AriesAsF · 2018-09-20T14:47:59+00:00

I agree with you. Basic economics. People will always respond predictably to financial incentives and social pressures. If having children out of wedlock means social rejection and financial ruin, women will make very different choices than if it is socially accepted and they are guaranteed financial support ( via government sanctioned theft).

[deleted] · 2018-09-20T19:44:17+00:00

Truthful text. Solution is to be alpha male all the time and to move to healthy society. If not possible, never to jump into society's trap.

dezwatz · 2018-09-20T11:32:25+00:00

So, what’s the point?

Here’s the bitter truth:

“Nothing is true, and everything is permitted. ”

There is no such thing as immoral. What you believe is good/bad applies solely to you and not to others.

Instead of complaining, start bettering yourself and seek perfection, become the Alpha Fucks that woman desire.

Afrofreak1 · 2018-09-19T23:41:20+00:00

What makes you think it's unsustainable? Who is to say that men are gradually waking up and going TOW? What if, perhaps, we have reached or are close to the maximum % of men who will ever go MGTOW? What if the rest are simply too far gone and will remain wage slaves? Then society could continue on its course.

Big_Homie_Mozi · 2018-09-20T04:52:15+00:00

The red pill isn’t about misogyny, or about issues like this. it’s about sexual strategy rooted in masculinity. I’m tired of seeing these shit posts. Keep this garbage off this subreddit.

Title	The Welfare State the root enabler of the rampant sexual degeneracy of western society.
Author	aegir98
Upvotes	324
Comments	288
Date	September 19, 2018 10:44 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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