Men who have satisfying sex lives, why do you think some men who follow all TRP tenets still struggle so hard to have fulfilling sex lives?

DareyFathom · 2020-04-13T21:48:48+00:00

Red Pill tools can help improve your chances if properly employed. They don't guarantee anything. Someone starting out at a very low level, isn't going to turn into a superstar overnight, if at all.

Barely-moral · 2020-04-13T21:51:39+00:00

Assuming he is doing everything to improve himself and he doesn't have any success then he either needs plastic surgery because his face is hideous or he is selling in the wrong market. He needs to move where the customer wants what he is selling.

throwawaygang21 · 2020-04-13T21:58:45+00:00

Because they're really ugly in a way that can't be fixed, they're really short, and/or have no status at all. They probably bought into the PUA BS (Not all PUA is BS, I know) that any disgusting dwarf can have a harem of hot girls as long as he goes out 5 nights a week and acts like a positive dancing clown with a bag of tactics.

When in reality PUA stuff really only works when you're already at least average if not a little higher. I know this because PUA stuff didn't really work when I was fat and wore video game t shirts with baggy jeans, but since I've gained a more muscular body type and dress in fit clothes. I dont even really have to think about mind games or tactics. Women don't wanna fuck ugly dudes, period. Not all red pill content creators and mentors are the same, some have an agenda to sell courses and some actually tell the truth. Some dudes just can't utilize red pill to the same degree as others which is why the black pill does have some truth to it.

LowCreddit · 2020-04-13T22:08:00+00:00

TRP is for Average Frustrated Chumps. If you are a 5'2" ugly quadriplegic with an IQ of 73, then you are going to have a bad time. That's a tiny number of men though. There are a lot of men who think they are hopeless, but they are just lazy. Putting in the work is hard. Blaming the world is easy.

MisterJose · 2020-04-13T22:59:28+00:00

90% of the time if a guy is struggling to get sex, it’s his looks/height.

Lots of red pill guys like to imagine a just world where if you try hard enough and act alpha enough any man can be successful, it just isn’t true.

90% of a woman’s decision whether to fuck you or not is made the moment she sees you. For shorter guys, most of the time that’s an immediate no, regardless of how he behaves.

Occasionally, you can win a woman over if she discovers you are wealthy or socially successful. But generally, if you’re not physically appealing, little else matters.

M0rtAuxRois · 2020-04-13T21:57:14+00:00

> Is there a point where everyone, even a fellow red pilled brother, has to look at these angry sexless guys and just say sorry dude, you’re just unappealing to women to the point where you can’t even use them if you wanted to?

Yes. And the people who can actually get laid need to be honest about why they get laid. I think that's where a lot of the misunderstanding and side-taking is coming from.

The only reason I get laid is because I'm tall and thin and approach women. It is not because of any other metric. It is because I am TALL and RUN SOMETIMES. I am not handsome, nor particularly rich, nor particularly interesting, I do not have "game", or any of that other bullshit.

More to the point, short dudes, fat dudes, total losers with no job or skills or anything, yeah, we need to say to those guys: it might just never happen. Or, at least, if you don't become a millionaire overnight, the probability of you fucking women you find attractive is extremely low. Getting jacked and getting money help. If you're short, you're at a stupid disadvantage, but it's not impossible. If you're fat, lose weight. If you're poor, find some way to be just poor enough to take bitches out (I did this when I was poor, no one else has any excuse, and saying 'Don't be poor anymore' is unhelpful shitty advice). If you're an unmotivated slob, clean up a little.

Being tall and not fat are the two biggest boons I've had when it comes to women and they always will be. If you do not have these two things, you are starting at the bottom.

2020-04-13T22:01:43+00:00

why do you think some men who follow all TRP tenets still struggle so hard to have fulfilling sex lives?

One of more of the following:

not working hard enough on themselves
believing that TRP is just "game"
believing that TRP is about women/having sex with women
some form of unaddressed mental illness: anxiety and/or depression and/or some other; from mild to wild
victim mentality
too early to see results

I am sure there are more, and I am sure that different people will have different lists with variations, edits, additions, permutation, combination.

So, what is a new entrant into the scene do?

Here's an ordered list:

Take a breath
Hot the gym and fix his diet (yes really) and fix your diet
read/study. read/study as much as you can, think things over; try in real life as many of the things you read
continue reading/studying
continue trying

That's enough for now, that's at least 1 year of work; by the end of 1 year of hard work, he'll know what will be the next steps for the next 6 months... and then on and on for a lifetime.

If you were looking for a 5 minutes quick fix to having a fulfilling life including - but not limited to - sex life... I don't believe it exists. One can't undo years/decades in 5 minutes. Usually fixing a problem takes just as long or longer than it took to create the problem.

2020-04-13T21:49:42+00:00

Is there a point where everyone, even a fellow red pilled brother, has to look at these angry sexless guys and just say sorry dude, you’re just unappealing to women

Yeah you got it. I mean look, not everyone gets a happy ending.

TRP is to help AFCs not like the completely hopeless.

901735 · 2020-04-13T21:52:52+00:00

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Salt-Season · 2020-04-13T22:33:15+00:00

Because Red Pillers believe women are less than men. They believe that women are driven by their, nature. Men, however, are graced, with the ability of independent thought and action.
And to make this a complete disaster, they want to have sex with those women they objectively believe they are better than.

That kind of belief structure shows itself in a hundred little red flags. Women with high self esteem and self awareness shy away from those red flags. Which mean red pill men either to pump and dump women before they are found out. Or be in a relationship where they never become intimate enough with a woman to admit how they feel. Both are ultimately unsatisfying.

SeemedGood · 2020-04-13T22:40:51+00:00

why do you think some men who follow all TRP tenets still struggle so hard to have fulfilling sex lives?

They aren’t actually following all of TRP tenets.

Other than the sub being unapologetically misogynistic,

RP philosophy neither teaches nor advocates hatred of women. It does criticize women’s behaviors, but contrary to the common cultural criticism, criticism of a group does not mean that you hate the the group. In fact RP philosophy advocates the acceptance of women for what they are - what they truthfully are (both good and bad). It even goes on to suggest that men adapt to what women truthfully are so as to reflect what they (truthfully) desire in a mate.

Yes, most men who find their way RP philosophy express anger with and negative feelings towards women. They do so typically because they have had their souls defecated upon by women, (often multiple times) in ways that seem incredulously callous, and that experience doesn’t reconcile with either what they have been raised to believe about women or with what women say about themselves. So of course they’re going to have anger towards and negative feelings about women. The philosophy is the answer to the negative feelings and anger that were generated by experience with women, not the progenitor of those feelings and anger.

2020-04-14T06:56:11+00:00

Because TRP only helps tall fat divorce raped white guys. If you're an ugly brown manlet you're not gonna do shitall with TRP.

Genetics > everything

Dan240z · 2020-04-13T21:54:05+00:00

Trp helps men the ones that are struggling are incels types ever since their subs where shut down they migrated to other subs.

TheKarmicWoosh2 · 2020-04-13T22:39:21+00:00

Ugly and really Short. The guys who can overcome that are extreme outliers.

At a certain point if you're like 5'1 with an uggo face there's kind of no point approaching 1000 women to get rejected 997 times.

2020-04-13T23:22:43+00:00

For TRP to work, you'll need to have a bit of alpha naturally in you. The perennial beta guy will never get laid consistently because he can't sustain the activities that TRP talks about because it's unnatural to him.

Your average TRP guy is a natural beta. He might have an angry phase but the moment some chick shows interest, he'll drop everthing TRP talks about and reverts back to his natural self i.e a BETA.

You see, it's extremely tough to act alpha all the time if it doesn't come naturally to you. You either have it or you don't.

DraconianDebate · 2020-04-14T00:26:07+00:00

If you actually work out, have a decent career, bathe regularly, don't live like a slob, and approach women; you will be able to find women who are interested in you.

If at this point you are failing that you are not doing at least one of those, or you are going for women who are way out of your league and need to be realistic. Even if you look like you got hit with a shovel, you should be able to attract a woman; she just isn't going to be on the same level of what you could attract otherwise. If that is you then work harder and get some plastic surgery to fix the problem if its really that big of an issue for you.

Most men don't need to do half of those things to get a woman, but if you are struggling then that is what you need to do. There is no issue that cannot be overcome, as long as you are realistic with your expectations. This last part seems to be what the vast majority of men here struggle with, they expect to be able to attract the most beautiful mate when they are not on that person's level and then get angry about reality. Usually ignoring how shallow they are as they attack women for being shallow.

There is a lot I disagree with in red pill ideology but the things they tell us men to do to become more attractive are right on point. I don't actually see any men doing all of this and failing, just a bunch of men who refuse to improve themselves and then get mad that women aren't into them. As well as a lot of really shallow men that are completely unaware of the fact that they are their own worst enemy.

Meydra · 2020-04-13T22:31:05+00:00

Because a satisfying sex live as a male comes down to either dumb luck or being a top male.

GrapeCulture69 · 2020-04-14T02:21:01+00:00

Same reason tons of dudes in the gym aren't in shape. It takes time AND they might still be doing it wrong.

Also the red pill rage you are discussing is still those guys shedding their blue pill ways. If they are still mad about human nature, they aren't really accepting reality.

TheJim66 · 2020-04-13T22:09:49+00:00

I haven't seen many dudes that follow rp tenets having a problem getting a great sex life. Rp works and it works like a cheat. The problem is many just don't put in enough effort.

Although even though it will always improve things there are limits. If you are a short bald ugly indian you aren't gonna be banging 8s(obviously)

Troy016 · 2020-04-13T21:53:06+00:00

Could just be really unattractive?

renfsu · 2020-04-13T21:57:38+00:00

Expecting instant results from trp, still putting women on way too high of a pedestal, and taking what they read on rp literally. Lots of good advice there but bad advice as well, so you end up with a lot of guys that think treating their girlfriend like shit will make them more attractive.

reluctantly_red · 2020-04-14T01:18:34+00:00

Because they're not attractive. Ugly guys struggle. This isn't news.

TheSnowyPlover · 2020-04-14T01:41:38+00:00

Reasons some men still don’t succeed:

They lack foundational attractive qualities: Too short, ugly, fat, lacking education, a good job, interesting hobbies, etc
They’re not as RP as they think they think: Everyone who discovers TRP thinks after a year that they’re bonafide RP alphas. In reality it’s a long journey (5+ years) of going from ‘fake it til you make it’ to internalizing it all
The treat TRP like a pick up artist technique and revert back to their beta ways: If you’ve ever read The Game by Neil Strauss, one thing that becomes clear about many pick up artists is that most of them are betas who know a few tricks to get women into bed but fizzle out in the long term once their true inner beta comes out. My guys end up like this
Many “RP guys” are really just bluepill, purplepill, Blackpilll, MGTOW, or straight up incels: RP praxeology is incredibly difficult for most people to internalize. As a result, many guys get 60% of the way there and stop, often times because they achieve some goal (get laid, get married, etc)

M4sterDis4ster · 2020-04-14T07:37:55+00:00

Vast majority of men dont have looks. Point blank.

DerekMorganBAU · 2020-04-13T22:51:22+00:00

Some of these niggas don't even get the basics.....

I read what some of these dudes say with a huge "wtf" look on my face. Or I laugh.

Pulling bitches is not hard. It takes calibration though, but some dudes have too many hangups. They can't let loose because of bad experiences, which I understand, but you gotta get over it.

I'm a 5'5 niglet and I've never had issues getting pussy. I use "underhanded" tactics but who gives a fuck. I get my dick wet and I keep it movin'

Kagayami · 2020-04-13T22:29:22+00:00

Is there a point where everyone, even a fellow red pilled brother, has to look at these angry sexless guys and just say sorry dude, you’re just unappealing to women to the point where you can’t even use them if you wanted to?

Yes. It's called the blackpill.

For some men in 2020, it is indeed truly over.

basedmillennial95 · 2020-04-13T22:34:35+00:00

Men who have satisfying sex lives, why do you think some men who follow all TRP tenets still struggle so hard to have fulfilling sex lives?

The Red Pill cannot turn a beta into an alpha it can give the beta the appearance of an alpha. Alpha/beta is genetic. It's not just a mindset.

2020-04-13T23:32:41+00:00

While my sex life isn't as good as it could be, its deff way better than it was.

When i was around the most available/sexually active women in my life (high school/College) i wasn't attractive or confident. Now that i'm out of college, i'm better equipped due to experience but significantly less opportunity lol.

I found out about the whole PUA and later RP spheres after my abysmal freshman year(in terms of hook ups).

At the same time, i began reading Stoic literature and such. Eventually i just dropped paying attention to PUA and RP stuff because it wasn't genuine for me.

I think a lot of young guys use RP as a "fake it till you make it" strategy, which is often used in PUA circles as well. That works if you are determined to just hook up, follow the guides as closely as you can, etc. but still masks over the actual faults and issues.

For me, the only really important things i learned from RP were that the realities of dating and male/female interactions are very different across different races, income levels, and most importantly sex/gender.

The rest really comes down to confidence and understanding what, in general, the opposite sex finds attractive.

Financial_Plant · 2020-04-14T03:43:11+00:00

I'm pretty sure it mainly has to do with their mindset. It's like they're giving up before they even start. Thinking everyone is already attracted to something by their nature is incredibly dumb IMO. People forget about sexualities, fetishes and kinks. Everyone is different in small ways. I have a masochistic side from how I was raised and other people will have different things they like. Some girls thought I was a 5/10 while some think I'm an 8/10 or 10/10 it all depends on who you are talking to and adapting to them and having a discussion. Learn about them and if they're the type to put out why not if they're the type that are more romantic be a cheesy lactose in tolerant freak. I don't get why people are so narrow minded. Just because you're ugly, short, tempered doesn't mean you'll be single it's about working on yourself and social intelligence.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-04-14T03:56:25+00:00

Because mindless casual sex with randos is not necessarily good

Johnnycage456 · 2020-04-14T12:26:44+00:00

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that social skills and "game", or whatever you want to call it, can be incredibly hard to conceptualize. Theres a certain X factor to charisma, and the line can be thin between a genuine cool guy and a sort of awkward try hard. Surely you all have seen the dweeb guys try to (poorly) mimic the behavior of cool guys? That's how I picture alot of red pillars. They've never really lived the life of a cool guy yet, so it comes across as a phony imitation.

I also think thats why theres a hyper focus on looks from the incel community. Looks are important, but its also easy to quantify and understand what you're missing. Height, muscles, even facial bone structure etc are easy to measure.

The nuances of social behavior? Less so. Abd the type of people obsessing over this stuff online are likely the type to not be great with this stuff.

There are some unfortunate folks where their genetics will hinder them no matter what they do, but I think there are alot of normies who just apply alot of the red pill stuff poorly and probably dont realize how much women pick up on it.

justanalt319 · 2020-04-15T07:58:58+00:00

Women often measure male success as if he's currently doing well. Men measure their own success if progress is being made. Better than where we were, is still not success according to women, TRP also doesn't have a necessary goal post. For some its getting a girl to talk to them, others losing their virginity, others having sex once a year, other's being chad, and some having a girl that's essentially enslaved to him while he fucks girls on the side.

Some also use TRP to find happy healthy relationships. Those that do accomplish that goal won't wind up sticking around. But there are subreddits for married TRPs which I'm sure you never visited.

astrobrah · 2020-04-15T20:34:13+00:00

they're ugly and/ or non-ambitious.

Bahmanis · 2020-04-13T22:31:26+00:00

Red Pill is just a leveled up Incel that still can't get laid or land a relationship and uses the excuse that he's MGTOW in order to further mask his reality and lie to himself. It's his only defense against self destructing.

I actually feel bad for incels. They don't normally lie to themselves and seem to be more humble. Angry sure. But honest.

MGTOW's and Red Pills on the other hand try to become the messiah of unwanted men and just figure out a way to amp up the anger and increase the cult until they can lead the followers into buying their books and stupid shit. lol

It's all so silly to watch. I actually think non of them really even like women for women. I'd say they are almost gay and don't want to admit it to themselves, or just straight up woman haters and won't ever change.

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cuckspace · 2020-04-13T23:24:18+00:00

Maybe they just have small dicks.

XtoDoubt · 2020-04-13T23:36:53+00:00

Who are these guys? Do they exist?

2020-04-13T23:43:48+00:00

Casual sex sucks. /thread

SteveSan82 · 2020-04-14T02:20:31+00:00

You don't know what TRP is. You described Black Pill thinking with some Purple Pill thrown in.

TRP you accept how women are and use tools to avoid problems with them. Just as you accept your cat kills and eats mice. Its their nature. Why complain?

richlad · 2020-04-15T10:45:39+00:00

How many approaches have you made?

Unless you've made 50+ approaches, you aren't going to get much success.

If you are anxious person, there are many drugs which help you calm.

Then go on making approaches and see what happens, you need to learn proper game while simultaneously increasing your value.

It's not risk free but if you want pussy, you'll have to do this.

Unlike beta buck strategy, the more you polish your game and polish yourself, the more number of women will open up to you.

But if you go blue pilled route, a woman can drain all your resources then you are back to square one.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-04-16T07:15:19+00:00

Which brings me to my question: Men who have satisfying sex lives, why do you think some men who follow all TRP tenets still struggle so hard to have fulfilling sex lives?

I'm a Raging Red Pill MGTOW Monk Volcel (tm) and my left hand is tighter than any vagina I've ever encountered. And it never gets a headache. Or demands half of my possessions.

How do you know all TRPers have shitty sex lives? Some of them pay for sex and bang 9's while simps buy $200 dinners for fat 5's and don't even get a thank you hug for it.

Why jump through hoops when sex is CHEEP?!? Either free on Tinder or $200/hr for guys who would rather not waste time left-swiping fatties.

groovydude6969 · 2020-04-16T19:37:44+00:00

Dudes. This whole pill thing is weird. You guys are talking about these things like they're some kind of weird walkthrough that if you follow these steps, then the girls will throw themselves at you. Honestly if a girl ever heard you talking about this stuff it would be an instant dealbreaker I'm so sure of it. Be a nice guy, don't do mean (this includes doing things with the ulterior motive of having sex (unless thats what she wants too)), take care of yourself physically and mentally, and if things happen they happen. No one is owed anything in life. Trust me, meaningless sexual encounters won't change you for the better, the best sex is with someone who you connect with emotionally. Don't be weird guys, not everyone gets to meet someone they connect with these skin suits we wear are only temporary so don't be superficial.

901735 · 2020-04-13T22:03:48+00:00

Because they don't know how to relax and have fun. It can be difficult when non-stop demands, frustrations, "No." and serious. Oriented towards performance instead of,... co-existence? Oh, and stepping out of the comfort zone, or perhaps into the unknown would be a better way to put it.

Other than the sub being unapologetically misogynistic, I agree that a man working on himself is his best bet to improving his relationship with the opposite sex.

I actually disagree.

1. It's not misoginy, it could be just you being fragile and feeling entitled AND frustrated sexually. (BB is boring, and you're looking for an AF?)

2. Pfff, not at all. Far from it.

If women are so evil and hard to figure out, why are you more successful then these angry sexless men?

Women can be and often are evil, but only if in leading position and/or not around good looking guys.

And no, females are not that difficult to "figure out" at all. What you can be and are, is difficult. But difficulty has an expiration date.

So if a man still can’t manage to do it, what then?

Then you're maybe projecting your bitterness? Are you chicks at FDS getting bored? Are you lonely?

you’re just unappealing to women to the point where you can’t even use them if you wanted to?

Males and females are different. You're projecting female envy. Males in general bring each other up, especially "behind the back", and we all know that's the truth.

resolutions316 · 2020-04-13T23:54:04+00:00

“Gee, why are the people in this sub that is explicitly about helping sexually unsuccessful men struggling sexually? Does it mean RP doesn’t work?”

“Jesus! Get a load of this cancer ward! Everybody’s sick. Does this mean hospitals give people cancer????!”

By the way, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, ESPECIALLY online, because those that grow, improve, and have success do not typically stick around and post.

This post is so front-loaded with false assumptions it is literally dizzying.

siempreloco31 · 2020-04-14T00:01:12+00:00

It's an internet ideology for people that have been raised by the internet. The way to have a fulfilling sex life begins 30 steps back that they seemed to miss.

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