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Reminder: Keep Your Problems To Yourself

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My main girl (a cute, fit, orgasm-machine of a woman) was telling me about her “problems” earlier today and a classic shit test popped up on my radar. As I’ve experienced it many times before and read ALL about it here on TRP, it seemed like a good experience to share.

I want to preface this by saying that we have been seeing each other for over a year and have gotten a good bit closer over the past six months so I’m reaching the point where some men may find themselves getting more comfortable with the idea of opening up to their lady friends.

As she starts confessing her issues with the problems she’s currently facing in her life, she paused and thought for a minute.....and told me I should have a drink with her because it makes it easier to talk about our feelings.

LOL. OUR feelings????? That’s funny. I see where this is going.

I laughed and looked at her and asked her how she was doing....as she clearly had something on her mind.....

And like the solid, slightly invested guy that I am, I listened and nodded and answered her requests for advice for 5-10 minutes before I made my move to steer the interaction to something a little more fun.

She proceeded to tell me how her life is so different this year compared to last year and how “she’s having a hard time adjusting right now....blahblahblah...”

“I used to have this friend and these co-workers who I would check in with weekly and for whom I was a confidant... and I miss having that in my life...blahblahblah....”

“I miss having people tell me their problems and being there for somebody.”

Oh really, do ya now?

Anybody see where that drink was supposed to come into play yet? Rookie move lady.

So I decide it’s time to steer things and get back to the good times at hand and I make a joke and ask her to go make me a cup of coffee.

“Ok!” she says as she hops up off the couch.

On her way to the kitchen she looks back at me and asks, “Self-honest, why don’t you ever share your problems with me?”

BOOM. Been waiting for that one for a good 10 minutes at this point. Nice casual buildup by her, but I didn’t take the bait so she had to come straight with it.

My life flashes before my eyes. The real problems I’m facing, intentionally, as a man are ten times as serious and dramatic and REAL as the “problems” she invents for drama in her own life.

If she only knew the risks and consequences and magnitude of the shit on my plate right now....

With a sly look I responded back, “Because I don’t have any problems, babe.”

Now let’s be real. She’s not an idiot. She knows I’m a human being and we all face problems in our lives. I mean...shit...Covid-19 lockdown has me furloughed for the past 4 months, I don’t know when I’ll work again, if I’ll have unemployment money for much longer, when I’ll be able to resume my normal social life, when I’ll be able to go to the gym to fix my shrinking muscle mass....god the list seems endless right now like I’m sure it is for a lot of you guys out there... so on the real, she knows I’m just playing the game when I say I don’t have any problems.

She paused for a second, “........am I a problem for YOU?” she asked very provocatively.

I chuckled and shot her another look, “You????” I laughed. “I don’t have annnyyy problems and somehow YOU are a problem?! my only problem??? You’re funny baby”

She smiled, then she literally ran like a little kid and flopped onto her bed, telling me to come jump and flop next to her.

“Why does flopping into bed never get old?!” she asked as she moved her face close to mine and wrapped her legs around me.

I kissed her.

I’ll spare the rest of the details only to say, the intensity and passion of a woman possessed is unrivaled.

In the past I might have felt that there was a point where opening up was equivalent to moving the relationship forward with a woman or something that signified a certain status we had achieved together.

Had I told her of my concerns and fears for the present and future I promise the outcome would have been VERY different to say the least.

Happy hunting. Your intermingling with women should be about having fun and spreading good vibes. Keep your problems to yourself.

TL;DR Be a fun loving guy who doesn’t need or want a mommy figure in his life or be prepared to get grounded and sent to your room all alone without dinner.


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Title Reminder: Keep Your Problems To Yourself
Author Self-honest
Upvotes 685
Comments 150
Date 22 July 2020 04:45 AM UTC (1 month ago)
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[–]oldgreggsplace278 points279 points  (16 children) | Copy

This is one of the biggest things recovering blue pillars have a hard time accepting. That desire for the mother figure to share all your inner fears with is so strong most can't imagine having a relationship without it. It's okay if this makes you sad, it's swallowing the red pill for a reason. I haven't seen anyone quite articulate this, but I do think there is a certain balance. To build comfort you should share your problems to a degree. Smart women can be a friend as a sounding board and they fucking love giving advice about social matters and trivial bullshit. So share you're dumb problems with them. They will think aww he trusts me and I help him blahblah. But don't ever show fear. So if you tell her your coworker Claire did some dumb shit and you haven't decided if you're gonna confront her or take it to the boss, that's probably fine. Women can be social operators and can offer good advice if it's playing to their strength-- although most thots will just say the same predictable worthless bullshit. But don't ever tell her the serious shit. You CAN but you have to frame it like you don't give a fuck. Lost your job? Don't hide it that would be weak. But you're gonna have to play it off like you're not worried. That said if you need specific help with something "I'm sending you my resume can you print off some copies." then utilize her. Women love being used. But don't show fear or ask her to do something that you're avoiding and want to dump on her. She is just the assistant and you delegate little tasks to her, but she doesn't need all the details. You're the president she's the secretary. Put her to work but don't make her an emotional crutch.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 70 points71 points  (6 children) | Copy

Well said.

I will ask for her advice when I have a problem getting flavor right when cooking complex dishes. She’s got a knack for that and I like to encourage her.

My grandmother had a stroke the other day and I told her right away. She responded how she usually does when someone close gets sick or dies or like when I was laid off due to Covid, “I’m sorry baby.” Then I reassure her that it’s all good (mostly through my tone and body language).

Good stuff man. I’ll try to play around with the social stuff a little more when socializing starts back up.

[–]samram1234568 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree I think you can utilize the female social intelligence to your advantage and get solid advice. Okay to get advice. But repeat what has been said and stay in frame and show no fear or loss of control. That will tank you. I think you must have balance as it is impossible to not share problems, must be skillful about it though.

[–]Eccentricpsycho2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

What do you say to this, I have this problem when someone knows something bad has happened to you and they try to mother you you can’t say it’s okay coz it’s kinda not okay if your dogs just died

[–]1Self-honest[S] 38 points39 points  (3 children) | Copy

This girl does this a lot. She also wants to take care of me if I get sick, which I don’t need.

I just face life head on and accept that these things happen.

I remember last year I had a friend go missing and turn up dead. I was out looking for him and didn’t return her calls/messages for a couple of days.

When it was all said and done, I texted that I was sorry I didn’t respond earlier, I had a friend pass away and was busy. When I saw her, she said something nice, I told her I was ok and she responded, “no you’re not, your friend just died.” Her pushing me to show my “true self” didn’t change my stance. Death is a part of life. It’s unfortunate and searching for a missing friend with hope they will turn up then finding out they found a body is traumatic, but I’m a fucking man, I’m honestly fine. I’ve been through enough terrible things in my life that I am relatively unaffected.

When someone really close in my family dies, I’ll shed a few tears driving around in my car alone and then move forward in honor of their memory.

[–]Eccentricpsycho9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the reply that’s a good frame on death

[–]YouNeedToChillDude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is honestly inspiring, good stuff.

[–]redknightcrusader0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One thing I will say, I agree that men should avoid talking to women about personal problems. However, you can talk to other trusted men when you need to. That’s what brothers (actual or adopted) are there for.

[–]kayne200019 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

And to add to that men are humans and we gasp have emotions and its OK to show them..doesn't mean you have to be a giant crybaby but nobody wants to fuck a robot.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

The problem happens when we forget expressing in masculine ways (This post is a good masculine example). Somehow both the crybabies and the wooden blocks have it in their head that emotions refer to only feminine emotions and feminine ways of displaying emotions.

There is more to it than just tears or crying. Most people have such an extremely poor understanding of men and masculine displays of emotion they think only of crying vs not crying -- that itself shows you how poor their EQs are.

Instead I suggest watching sports.

Determination, anger, drive, passion, sexuality, warmth, pain, joy, wildness, humour, stoicism, intensity -- all these are also emotional energy. All of them can be expressed very well in masculine ways. And seriously the world can only think of masculine emotion in terms of crybabies? It's insulting to have masculinity defined by these dumbasses who have no idea what they blabber about.

There is a masculine aesthetic for emotion too. Of course you will be shit tested for that too, and how you brush that off is the key.

[–]MilkMoney1118 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. I think the point is you can express emotions but to not give a fuck about how you're coming off to a female when you do. It's your frame, your world, your rules. If you decide a close friend dying is worth some tears at his funeral, then that is YOUR decision and you shouldn't give a fuck what some girl besides you think... that's entering her frame. In fact a shit test in response to that would be enough for me to toss her for simply being a low EQ idiot who couldn't navigate social situations properly.

[–]RainySeasonInPH7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

100% this.

Took me soo long to get to grips with this shit. Partly because there is this emphasis on the so-called "captain / first mate" dynamic on married TRP here.

B ULLSHIT

It's not captain first mate, it's CEO / secretary. You cannot delegate any task to a woman, that would require her to rise to the level of taking responsibility.

She's NOT a teammate, because women are not team players. She's the waterboy.

[–]themidwestcowboy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have traversed this. I only share the problems that I have a solution for. This has helped me immensely. So it’s no longer whining and talking about an insurmountable problem but I share problems that I have a solution for and then tell them how I am going to solve it and that’s the end of it. I think you are spot on when you never show fear.

[–]yomo861 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I guess you are right. And to be honest wrong at the same time. Many men including myself were looking for a mother replacement instead looking inside and find myself not on the lookout for a mother figure but for some good ol' understanding and, yes, empathy. Those basic human needs, even Marcus Arelius and Aristotle wrote about that. But you do not find it in women's love but in reasonable men. TRP got this wrong I guess, it is not keep your problems to yourself but rather share is insanly sparsly and never share with women. Being stoic is not about being a robot.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was definitely implied that “keep your problems to yourself” only applies to women you’re fucking or want to fuck.

This is The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

[–]1Sir_Distic59 points60 points  (3 children) | Copy

Get rid of her ASAP! She never brought you that coffee. She can't be trusted.

In all seriousness, good job. I might have answered with something along the lines of "Yes, where's my coffee?" with a smile.

Plain and simple guys, Be a rock. Be her rock. 100% of the time when she tells you her problems she doesn't want a solution. She wants to be heard. If she asks "what should I do?" or for advice then you can offer it. But otherwise she just wants to vent. So listen and let her know you're listening.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol dude... you better believe I got that coffee.

Great comment. You get it.

[–]flight2121212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

100% this im 30 and f wished I knew this before

Women (like kids btw) want their feelings acknowledged, they don’t need you to formulate a “problem” nor a solution, just listening is enough

[–]PlainTundra2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

100% of the time when she tells you her problems she doesn't want a solution. She wants to be heard. If she asks "what should I do?" or for advice then you can offer it. But otherwise she just wants to vent. So listen and let her know you're listening.

When you comprehend this it's very easily to deal with women. Just try to look concerned on whatever shit is she explaining, nod, agree with her and profit. You don't even have to really care or rumiate a solution. How many times some girls just told me I am a good listener while in reality I couldn't care less about their problems.

[–]Tzar_93122 points123 points  (23 children) | Copy

To be honest, while this works for girls you’re seeing, this can only go on for so long in an actual relationship. I’m speaking from experience currently right now. After a while, the whole “I’m a superman with no problems in life” facade will wear off on women and you’ll just start to look like a cold emotionless monster. Also it’s not good for your own sanity imo.

If you’ve been seeing a girl for a year+ and you still can’t show one moment of vulnerability I’d say that theres something deeper within yourself. Maybe you don’t want to look weak or you’re afraid she’ll lose some respect for you.

A girl that truly likes you, won’t care and will even respect you more for showing some vulnerability rarely. Key word is rarely. Even if she doesn’t respect you after that at least you know she’s not someone worth keeping.

We’re not this emotionless monster we feel we have to be.

Turn a moment of weakness into a moment of strength.

[–]Hock3yGrump28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy

Also it’s not good for your own sanity imo.

This is why you must have a stoic-like-minded inner circle of male friends. If you can't work out your liabilities with them, you will 100% be depressed with the women in your life.

A girl that truly likes you, won’t care and will even respect you more for showing some vulnerability rarely.

This is indoctrinated purple thought. The Oprah / Dr Phil crap your mom watched and read about in magazines. Women can get "comfortable" also, this does not mean you should follow and live in her frame. This does not mean she likes you more and it certainly doesn't mean that it is "healthy". It means she has a higher tolerance, and her tolerance level is relative to her laziness.

Moments of weakness should be seen as accidents that need correction and create growth/maturity. Not something to be repeated and hamstered away with a weak mind similar to, "its my cheat day" with your workout routine.

If you want to eat a donut, eat a fucking donut and own your inner bullshit. If you want to get emotional with your woman, go ahead, but don't bullshit yourself about the consequences.

[–]Tzar_934 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

It’s all about perfect balance. I’ve been there with the whole nothing bothers me, I’m an unbreakable spirit bullshit you fake to yourself.

While I can be vulnerable with my closest male friends, I believe you can also rarely be like that with you women.

Key word is RARELY.

I’ve been with my girl for a year and we’re in an open relationship. I can fuck whoever I want, whenever I want and she can do the exact same.

I see too many guys make the game about the girl when the game is about themselves. Last thing I could give a shit about is if my woman still respects me. I RESPECT ME.

And if it got to the point where it got outta hand, I next her.

If I wanna tell my girl I feel like shit, I can and I do. What I do exactly after that is say this’ll pass and move onto something happier.

It’s so easy to talk about how to maintain frame and show no weakness with women you’re not interested in or you can keep at a distance.

Maintain your frame and composure with a girl you’re committed too or interested and I’ve seen time and time again men crumble.

I can leave my girl right now if she acts too outta line or violates and I won’t think twice. She knows this herself. I can do all this while still telling her I love her and meaning it.

I can honestly say if my girl left me tomorrow, I’d feel it but I definitely won’t be sending paragraphs and teary voicemails.

Point of the matter I’m trying to say is if you’re afraid to get emotional with your woman it means you’re scared. You’re scared you’ll lose her and scared you’ve lost control.

Any other excuses is just your own delusion.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I RESPECT ME

Agreed.

Being able and willing to walk away is always the key to everything.

I’m not afraid to tell her if something is bothering me and I feel like telling her. I’m just not going to open up just because she’s asking me to randomly. This instance was clearly a shit test.

[–]Hock3yGrump2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

By clinging to and over repeating your "cold emotionless monster" point of view, you are being disingenuous about men raising their emotional strength and maturity.

I’d feel it but I definitely won’t be sending paragraphs and teary voicemails.

Why not? Are you scared to? What if you didn't want to lose her? /s (you hung yourself in your conclusion). Your closing argument still sounds like someone trying to BS away guilt for eating the donut.

committed too or interested and I’ve seen time and time again men crumble.

"Interest" and "commitment" are not synonyms, therefore their outcomes to do not carry the same weight.

Crumbling over interest is for beginners and is what most of the sidebar is for. Crumbling from (and then learning and correcting) a failed commitment is end game territory.

You are not committed to your GF, you should stop mixing the advice you give as though it is the same situation. There is a huge fucking difference between confidently "chatting with your girl" about your shit, and openly moaning and making yourself look pathetic tool for no rational reason.

[–]Tzar_931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like you’re trying to purposely poke holes in what I’m saying to make me look stupid. I don’t even think you’re reading what I’m saying to understand but just to argue. So this will be my last response to you.

“By clinging to and over repeating your "cold emotionless monster" point of view, you are being disingenuous about men raising their emotional strength and maturity.”

Brother no matter what way you want to spin it, not wanting to express your own emotions or feelings with your girl isn’t a sign of emotional strength.

If mine and yours businesses both went bust and I cried to my girlfriend about it, you didn’t but we both bounce back, does that make you emotionally stronger than me?

“Why not? Are you scared to? What if you didn't want to lose her? /s (you hung yourself in your conclusion). Your closing argument still sounds like someone trying to BS away guilt for eating the donut”

Brother, I wouldn’t do it because I would have accepted that she’s left and that they’ll be other woman out there for me.

If you got laid off from your job tomorrow would you call them back tomorrow crying to take you back?

"Interest" and "commitment" are not synonyms, therefore their outcomes to do not carry the same weight.

“Crumbling over interest is for beginners and is what most of the sidebar is for. Crumbling from (and then learning and correcting) a failed commitment is end game territory.”

“You are not committed to your GF, you should stop mixing the advice you give as though it is the same situation. There is a huge fucking difference between confidently "chatting with your girl" about your shit, and openly moaning and making yourself look pathetic tool for no rational reason.”

As I said in my original post. I’d prefer chatting with my girl RARELY about my problems, thoughts and feelings than putting on a facade to her but telling my friends the real stuff.

Wish you all the best bro

[–]Gordon-G25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

Must always maintain frame, whether married for 20 years or spinning plates. Attributing factor to the 80% of women filing first for divorce is that they have lost respect for their husbands which is the death blow.

[–]Wingflier7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Woman can lose respect for men who never admit or show weakness too. Especially when they begin to sense that it's all an act, which it is.

[–]juicebox41434 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some men here are autistic, you shouldn't expect practical advice if you see a long-term relationship with someone you can feel vulnerable with.

[–]flight2121217 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree there is a middle ground between the OP stance and being a full emotional trainwreck

Where I stand now I share “some” things with my dates, but I never go full emotional with them, when you do that women will take advantage of it one way or the other

[–]1Self-honest[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I share things I love. That’s an example of an emotion I’m very open about.

[–]flight2121213 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed, light stuff, achievements

For the deeper emotional stuff, I go talk to my psychologist, parents, close guy friends, in that order too

[–]Schultzie982 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is why I really enjoyed reading Models by Mark Manson. It seems like a much healthier and functional approach to relationships. Obviously you don’t want to complain about your problems all the time to your girl, but letting them know that you have problems is only human.

[–]Tzar_933 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Honestly.

You haven’t got to be a pussy to show some emotion or vulnerability. Just know when to show it.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The V word is a concept many people understand differently. To me, true vulnerability is being willing to be rejected and putting yourself out there for the things that you want. You can’t be a pussy and be vulnerable at the same time.

Now talking about FEELING vulnerable is just stupid and is not the same thing at all in my opinion.

[–]klayser_Soze0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

When are the times you can show it?

[–]Tzar_931 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You know what bro. I’ve think you shouldn’t think about it as some sort of thing where there’s only certain times to show it and anything else is a massive no.

It’s about whenever you feel too. Could be after watching a soppy film, rough day at work, someone did or said something that really disturbed you etc.

Most important thing is to be comfortable and confident in yourself enough to show it so that no matter what response you get, you don’t care.

Youre not supposed to feel like you showed it at the right time or wrong time, you just showed it.

Whoever you showed it too at that moment is just there to acknowledge and accept it.

I hope that makes sense.

[–]klayser_Soze2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It does. Thank you for taking the time to write a proper response.

[–]jawnzoo0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I was gonna reply with something similar to this tbh, good points.

It's not bad to open up and talk about problems, just don't lose frame and show weakness. I've opened up to plenty of ONS, plates, and gfs, it really depends on the type of women they are. In my opinion, with the right girl, it creates more comfortability.

I feel bad for some of you guys that don't have anyone to open up to emotionally. Some of you view it as kryptonite, if you can't talk about it with your bros or girls who tf is there? When your self identity is strong, it's not a weakness to ask for help.

What's the end goal if you're just gonna be an unemotional shell of a human?

[–]1Self-honest[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Making a woman more comfortable kills attraction

[–]jawnzoo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Sure, if you're in a LDR it would with the wrong girl. Or she's a thot but I'm not always trying to fuck those kind of girls. That's why I said the right girl.

Confidence is basically the ultimate comfort with yourself. There's usually no attraction without comfortableness.

Are you saying if you're calm, easy going, and fun (comfortable to be around) girls wouldn't be attracted to you?

How are you initiating then? If it's not making a girl comfortable enough to be with you?

I get that this sub's all about spinning plates, being high value, and not giving a fuck but what's your end goal? Cause mine's finding a high value woman.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro, you have it all backwards.

Sure, if you're in a LDR it would with the wrong girl. Or she's a thot but I'm not always trying to fuck those kind of girls. That's why I said the right girl.

I’m talking about ALL women

Confidence is basically the ultimate comfort with yourself.

Yes YOU need to be comfortable

There's usually no attraction without comfortableness.

This is flat out wrong. Agitation is the key to making a woman’s pussy tingle (aka attraction).

Are you saying if you're calm, easy going, and fun (comfortable to be around) girls wouldn't be attracted to you?

No, I’m saying if they are uncomfortable because they perceive your SMV to be higher than theirs, then that dissonance creates attraction. If you do something to intentionally lower your SMV like opening up about your feelings in order to make a girl more comfortable, her attraction is going to decrease.

How are you initiating then?

By approaching and polarizing and spiking a girl’s emotions. Which is anything BUT making them comfortable. Friends are comfortable. Lovers agitate until the only cure for the tension is to fuck.

If it's not making a girl comfortable enough to be with you?

Non-neediness, outcome independence, and abundance mentality are the only comfort builders you need. You don’t actively build comfort.

I get that this sub's all about spinning plates, being high value, and not giving a fuck but what's your end goal? Cause mine's finding a high value woman.

You don’t go out in search of a high value woman. You fuck multiple women and let the cream rise to the top. But a high value woman is still a woman and should be understood and treated accordingly.

[–]Tzar_930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree wholeheartedly my brother.

[–]boy_named_su6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mean, if you're struggling for real, you should NOT keep your problems to yourself. You should keep them away from chicks though

It's good to have a trusted male family member or friend to talk to, or a counselor if that's not an option

[–]1Self-honest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah dude. This is only in regards to chicks you’re fucking or want to fuck. Of course if you need help, find someone you can ask for help.

[–]FreeRadical558 points59 points  (33 children) | Copy

Honestly if I can't even share things that are on my mind, what good is a connection anyway? It would be much simpler to just see a prostitute in that case.

[–]look_up_there97 points98 points  (16 children) | Copy

You can share things, just keep it light hearted. Don't share things like how your scared of your father dieing, or that you might genuinely be flat broke in a month and cant sleep.

That's what your best friends are for, your good male friends or maybe a family member if you are close with them.

The girl your fucking is not your best friend, and while she might want you to share it all with her, it will ultimately kill her attraction to you.

Unfortunately it's the truth, I learnt it the hard way.

[–]TheStumblingWolf27 points28 points  (11 children) | Copy

I also think it's important to demonstrate that you have a plan for how to handle things and that this is just momentary. I think, what turns off women, is hopelessness and lack of power over your own destiny.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] -3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy

It’s not a fear of being beta. It’s defining the function of different relationships and understanding how women work.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don’t think YOU understand how women work. They can’t help the fact that that kind of stuff makes them dry up faster than the Sahara. But they will stick around if the relationship benefits them. Doesn’t mean they will like it.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol ok buddy.

You say this isn’t a criticism of me but go one to repeatedly call my SMV into question which you know nothing about.

Let’s break it all down:

I don’t think YOU understand how women the women I am capable of attracting work.

You’re not talking about how women work. You’re talking about how you work.

If your SMV is high enough, and you have a lifestyle designed to bring you into contact with lots of women, you should have tons of attractive women to choose from.

Agreed. Having abundance solves most problems. This doesn’t have anything to do with how women work.

You can then vet them for empathy, genuine compassion, willingness to help, at the very least not 'drying up' in response to anything less than a pure carbon copy of Marcus Aurelius.

This comment is counter productive at best and terrible advice at worst. To vet a woman for not drying up when you open up about your feelings to her, you would have to dry a lot of women up in hopes that one doesn’t react that way. And for what?

If the women you are dating cannot help but dislike you when you voice your problems, then you have either:

• ⁠Fucked up badly on your vetting • ⁠Fucked up elsewhere in the relationship • ⁠Not raised your SMV to a point where you >can date a girl with all the traits you want (i.e. empathy in ADDITION to physical attractiveness, etc.)

All I hear is you talking about how you work and what you want. This post was about how women work and regardless of your individual experience with one special girl, the majority of women react this way when a man opens up about his problems, fears, emotions. Since most men will deal with most women, it is valuable to understand women’s natural reaction.

Even if you are much higher in SMV your SMV will take a hit.

But this is nobody's problem other than yours,

And the thousands and thousands of other guys who experience this all the time

and my experience doesn't match yours.

It must match mine, because you’re vetting these women for that trait, so you must experience this phenomenon unless every woman you “vet” isn’t like that, in which case you wouldn’t really be doing any vetting on those grounds.

My current LTR is absolutely fine with me talking about issues I'm having, and I've yet to experience any decline in sexual attraction because of them (either at the time, or in the weeks after I've shown 'weakness'). And I do look to see if there is an impact, each time, because I'm cognizant that some here thinks there will be — but there simply hasn't been.

That you have noticed. And good for you if you need a mommy to talk to about your problems.

This isn't a criticism of you.

Is

It's just a note that, well, TRP is a playbook effectively oriented around getting guys laid, and attracting women who meet a very narrow set of criteria (mostly physical attractiveness).

If you actively want to expand beyond that, and start stacking healthy relationships etc. on top of that without having to sacrifice anything, you are a) going to need to raise your SMV even higher, b) going to need to draw 'playbooks' and modes of operation from sources other than TRP.

My relationship is healthy. I don’t burden my girl with problems and I do what I should to maintain high levels of attraction

There are levels to this shit, you know?

And you are king off the men, who need women to talk to about their problems, because that’s the highest level of achievement. My SMV is so high I just earned a new mommy.

Just because you haven't reached high enough SMV / relationship capability to acquire the skill of voicing problems without doing damage to your relationship, doesn't mean other men haven't acquired that skill.

Lol, there is no skill in the world that shuts off a woman’s biological gag reflex when she sees a man cry. I agree that you should be valuable enough to be able to cry in front of your woman and not take a hit for it, but I’m clearly writing this post for the 99.9 percent of guys who aren’t there. Not sure why they fuck you’re even commenting on this.

Speak for yourself, and not for all.

Lol. I don’t know why someone would ever speak about single dicked guys when we all know there are people out there with two dicks... like...the audacity to speak to the large majority of men, when you know someone in the minority is going to include themselves into that grouping and then call you out for it....

[–]look_up_there-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Starting to get the vibe that you don't actually have any experience with this. No women jumps ship immediately, it just starts the process.

Also, don't cry to your mates. Didn't say that, your just being dramatic.

[–]shawdowr-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

The more posts I see pop up the more I realize how bullshit this subreddit has become. I’m happy I saw your post because you just spouted complete facts. I’m also disappointed because you have 3 upvotes.

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[–]Redagogue2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

As far back as you could care to look, this sub has repeatedly said not to emotion dump onto women. If you think that this sub is in a downward spiral from this big "revelation", then you haven't been paying attention.
It's amazing how someone can pull out their limp dick and jerk themselves off about how the sub is devolving when a post is reiterating something that has been advocated for years.

There is no woman that is not immediately looking for a new branch when her man starts blubbering his insecurities to her. Just another case of "jUsT NeEd To VeT hEr Bro". AWALT. There is no vetting something that is intrinsic to the sex. It's like a woman vetting men to find the one who wants a tub of lard woman who harps on them all day. Don't exist.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Me too brother. All that men should cry bullshit will further weaken us. It's better to talk about that irl with close group of male friends.

[–]TheBloodEagleX2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

What's the best route to take if you don't have anybody?

This isn't my issue but I also wonder, what do you do, or who do you talk to, if your male friends really want to fuck your girl?

Being vulnerable to anyone seems damn scary and feel like you need to be strategic about it. Like I can't have an actual "burst" of bad emotions without trying to plan it out properly.

[–]look_up_there7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a difference between "wanting" to fuck my girl and actively trying to fuck my girl.

If they want to? Good, thats all part of the game when you have a hot girl with you.

Actively trying to? I wouldn't ever associate with them again, at least while she's around. It's a disgusting sign of desperation to go after a good mates girl, there's plenty others out there.

My bursts of bad emotions are dealt with in my own time. I do talk about that shit with male friends. It's important to be funny and make light of it if you can. It seems to work, at least for me anyway.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pay a social worker to listen to you confidentially.

[–]1chopping_livers19 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy

Because it's not even you she's dating.

It's her IMAGE OF you.

You've got to realise that, if you're dating a woman, you, as a person, are not even a part of the equation. It's what you provide. Be it affection, desire, status, safety, tingles etc.

She doesn't care what your thoughts and feelings are. Neither do you care about her professional achievements.

[–]ProductivityMonster4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

this is just two people using each other. This is a very shallow relationship. It's probably how most flings start but they should progress if you want a better, stronger connection. A real relationship should be based primarily on how you treat each other, not what you do for each other. I believe Mark Manson or some other guru addresses this.

[–]1chopping_livers2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

based primarily on how you treat each other

Yes. And you, as a man, should know that first mates don't want to see their captains crumble and ask for their guidance. Man up and treat your first mate respectfully.

First mates also know not to bother good captains with their increasingly more awful shit-tests. A smooth sailing is how they express their appreciation.

You're spot on with your observations.

I'm not so sure about course of action though...

[–]shawdowr0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

All true. Along with a captain who can ask for help and advice is respected by his first mate.

[–]bcvickers2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Along with a captain who can ask for help and advice is respected by his first mate.

The problem with this line of advice is that it's too easy to go blue on it. Meaning a guy can fall into the trap of leaning on the first mate for Every. Little. Damn. Thing. Boom, he looks like a weak turd of a human and he's single. Again.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Keeping my problems to myself is treating her well.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

A woman is there for fucking and fun. Your male friends are there for connections and sharing life problems.

Your girlfriend doesn’t have to and doesn’t want to wear all the hats. I promise. She wants to escape the bullshit with someone fun who makes her feel good and fucks her hard.

[–]juicebox4142 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its seems like a problem that you've dealt with yourself. Not everyone is malicious..

[–]Hock3yGrump2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You shouldn't accuse someone of solipsism when plenty of people are squeaking the same wheel.

Its seems like a problem that you've dealt with yourself. Not everyone is malicious..

Covertly hinting at Unicorn's is malicious.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly if I can't even share things that are on my mind, what good is a connection anyway? It would be much simpler to just see a prostitute in that case.

Can't bareback with a prostitute unless ur batshit insane.

Also, prostitute ain't gonna cook your dinner or do your laundry.

If you do things correctly, it can be like having a maid that you also fuck, minus the #metoo bs of fucking an employee.

[–]Korrangar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

People try to make you believe that everybody should be your friend. Parents are your friends, your children are your friend, the teacher is your friend, your wife is your friend, your boss is your friend... If everybody is your friend then nobody is. Truth is that true friends are extremely rare. A wife is good to make and raise children, if you don't want any or if it's too early, it's indeed pointless.

[–]R9-295x2-x20 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think the point some are missing is that you can be vulnerable, but you have to hold frame. You still have to be a man about it, and by that I mean that you have to stay on top of your problem and should be doing something about it, you can't use her as a crutch. She doesn't mind the vulnerability in doses, but she doesn't want a broken man, a cry baby. No one does. Opening up doesn't mean you crumble and shift your frame. You still need to hold the lead and still be a very capable man.

Basically; you should be honest with yourself and be striving for the best version of yourself (the most whole you). It isn't even really about the girl, she's just kinda there.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For sure. I would offer this. What benefit do you stand to gain from opening up about feeling vulnerable?

She doesn’t mind vulnerability in doses

But she doesn’t LIKE it so why even go there?

[–]Lordadidas18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a very simple rule I follow to make sure I do not fuck up on this. If my girlfriend can help me, truly, to solve a problem I have, I will tell her about it. If she can’t, I will not. She has questioned why I do not share my problems with her often and my answer is simple “because you can’t help me with my problems”. I’m stronger, smarter, and more capable than my woman. But sometimes she can aid me, and I don’t mind that. But most of the time, she can’t, so there’s no reason to share. You’re the most fit person to solve your own problems. Ask yourself, before you bitch and whine to anybody about anything, can this person actually help me with this problem? If not, shut the fuck up.

[–]Sam_Hog42 points43 points  (8 children) | Copy

I really like this subreddit and the idea of the redpill in general, but most of the time the “stories” shared on this subreddit read out like a fantasy novel

[–]1Self-honest[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

I get that response at least once or twice on every post I make. What is it in particular that comes across as a fantasy to you?

[–]Sam_Hog28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy

I want to preface this by saying that I do not think you are lying, and I do agree with the overall message of your post.

Usually, when people add a lot of details (specially details that are not particularly relevant to the story) that’s an indicator they might be lying.

a cute, fit, orgasm-machine (too much irrelevant detail, first thing that caught my eye)

i looked back with a sly smile and responded (sounds straight out of a book)

the paragraph that starts with “I chuckled” and ends with “unrivaled” (i’m reading it , and I don’t want to say it’s cringy, but I definitely have a hard time)

Overral, I think it’s the tone with which the post reads, and the way you are writing the conversations you had with your girl. Example: I chuckled and shot her another look “YOU??!?” then laughed “I don’t.....” etc. i expect this kind of writing in a book not really on a post in this subreddit

[–]1Self-honest[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

Got ya.

Orgasm machine was simply to nail down the fact that she’s getting nailed down so everybody’s head is in the right place. So many dudes are policing everything they read like it’s written by some incel who has never even touched the girl in the story. I didn’t want anybody to get trapped in that box and miss the point. Guess it may be a double edged sword.

As for the tone and the conversations, I try to capture it exactly how it went down. I am a bit animated in real life. It’s how I entertain myself. Shits fun.

Appreciate the response.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Book of pook is a great example.

Uncle V's posts also have far superior flourish.

I thoroughly enjoy both of these.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I happen to sound like a movie character in real life. It took a lot of practice. I got sick of being the boring brooding type.

[–]BloodSurgery1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Billions of people in the world, having different lices, and a simple story of OP holding frame is suspicious?

Reality is stranger than fiction.

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The way she behaved toward the end made this interaction seem like a child asking their parent what their problems are after crying over spilled milk. Of course, the parent says there are no problems or pacifies the child and all of a sudden they're in a good mood again.

[–]1Sir_Distic20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

What do you think women are?

[–]panergicagony10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nice post. This is also a nice segue into a topic far deeper than sex and women:

The OP does NOT suggest you repress your emotions, bottle them in, or otherwise let them fester inside you.

Masculinity is about transcending your feelings, including worries and doubts. You feel these because they're real and relevant messages from your subconscious, your instincts, your procedural memory, or whatever other name you prefer for this concept.

Stoicism, meditation, and self-reflection are all tools which let us observe the causes of these feelings within us. By acting on these insights logically, you'll find the feelings will naturally follow suit. If your behavior is true to your deepest self, you'll find anxiety and worry naturally begin to dissolve as you continue acting to the best of your ability.

This is the OPPOSITE of repression, in which preoccupation with counterproductive distractions from those feelings actually perpetuates symptoms such as depression and self-loathing.

This doesn't mean you can't ever mindfully discuss your issues with others; talking about your problems is healthy, complaining about them is not.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

There it is. Thanks for sharing, this is spot on.

[–]arakouzo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good stuff. Complaining about problems is something women and children do.

Even if you had a problem last week that you heroically solved like a boss, talking about that problem you had and then solved like a boss is something women and children do. It is seeking attention and a pat on the back and is a turn off to see men do it.

Women come to men like us for fun. They want to be uplifted into a fun experience, not drowned in problems.

When a woman tells you something stupid like she wants you to open up and talk about your problems, that is not for your benefit. It is for hers. She thinks that if you do this, she will feel more connected with you and that will feel good. She is asking you to do this so she can feel good.

She doesn't know that what she actually wants is for you to have no problems to speak of and to instead give her a fun experience. She thinks she wants what she is asking, and that what she is asking will be fun and feel good, but if you give in to what she's asking, she then wonders why she feels worse instead of better.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For sure. This is a reminder example of a common shit test. Open up if you want to when you want to how you want to. But never when she’s asking you to.

Also I just like starting discussions because that’s where the real value around here lies.

[–]bottled_butts3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Listen to this man. I have slipped up and paid dearly.

I am 2/2 on women leaving me when one of my family members discovered they had cancer and i shared that with my exLTR.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for sharing. Apparently those stories appeal to some of the people here more than a story about not fucking up.

[–]ProductivityMonster-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The trash took itself out. I mean if you dumped this on them early in the relationship I can understand them not wanting to be your therapist, but if you were committed and then opened up about it, the women weren't worth it.

[–]WhiteGhosts1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Minor problem won't be a problem

Anythinf bigger than that tho is wrong

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. My A/C went out on my car and I told her about it. She offered to let me drive her car the next day while I got it fixed.

[–]ArcangeloPT1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Get a close male friend circle and share it with them and even there, with caution. Solid post though.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. I have that. It’s solid for talking through actual problems.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m doing everything I can at home. I’ve honestly just been missing lifting heavy recently and actually felt a little depressed about it the other day. That’s why I mentioned it. It was one of the few things that actually bothered me in recent weeks.

That being said, it is what it is. Gotta move forward with what we’ve got.

[–]odue1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

„I mean, when I‘ll be able to go to the gym to fix for my shrinking muscle mass“ is a much more ridiculous problem then hers...

But seriously, what do you say if she wants your opinion on her problems? I always become borderline insulting, telling her that these are no problems for grown up humans in this world.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn you guys are harsh on the gym comment. It’s something I love and have worked hard on and regressing so much has taken its toll on me.

I tell her what I think. I ask her what her goal is. What she wants to accomplish at the end of it. And then I just try to tell her what I would do to accomplish that goal. No judgement. Unless it’s something I think she should just drop. In that case I’m not going to engage her beyond that sentiment and will leave if she starts wasting my time talking about some stupid shit.

[–]Tzar_931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can agree with this wholeheartedly brother.

[–]Raizen-Atreides1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maintain frame, and get your ham sword wet. Sounds like a win

[–]JCX_Pulse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is an exercise in frame right here. You moved right on through her shit test with your powerful mental point of origin and shifted her mood from sad and depressed to horny. Excellent.

Edit: typo

[–]Rakosnik1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only temporary effect of sharing your problems and shit with a woman is that you will feel heard for a bit and it will make you feeeeel good for a second. I am guilty of this but I learnt the hard way. While you are sharing your problems with your woman all she is doing all that time is thinking how your shit and problems are gonna effect HER !!! She will not think of solutions but rather think what impact will all his shit have on me. Dont do it because when the shit starts hitting the fan it will all be used against you.

[–]DouglasPR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sharing and spewing your problems, fears and feelings to your girl is a great risk. I've used it once to actually end one relationship that was creating me problems. She bailed real quick after I showed how "tender and emotional" I could be during our "trust and sharing session". Branch swingued to a more "determined and secure" guy. Chad sent his thanks

[–]1Self-honest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hahaha yes the old classic, become the beta move. Works like a charm.

[–]hmsthinkingmeat2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It sounds a bit like lovebombing that fruitcakes use to hook you into a relationship.

They very quickly start to tell you all kinds of traumas and personal shit, and you feel compelled to reciprocate.

It creates the illusion of something deep and meaningful, but you've just given them all of your darkest thoughts and fears, and so now they know exactly what buttons to press to fuck up your head.

Big red flag when they start revealing their problems early on. Or at all. Problems they are thinking about and feel compelled to share = problem woman.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

As in it was definitely a game. A test to be passed or failed.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Nice takeaway and great addition to the conversation.

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[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a reminder that when women are directly asking for you to open up, it’s always a shit test.

[–]Zech4riah2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Next step:

Improve your mindset so that you don't consider things as problems but only things which need to be taken care of. Then you don't have to consciously to fake your behavior. Then you can also talk about your "problems" because you convey them in such away that you are a man who gets shit done and therefore you don't have to hide behind illusions.

This behavior also builds connection with females and they feel more included because you are sharing things and as a result the duration of a plate spin extends.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t consider things as problems. As in: “I don’t have any problems.” All those things I listed are things that need to be taken care of, that I have confidence in my ability to take care of - but there is still no reason to list them off for her.

I’m not faking behavior. I’m just not falling into her frame. Believe me if there is a specific thing I’m having to face, like losing my job, I mention it and my intentions to move past it. But that wasn’t the time or place to accept her invitation to open up and would have done no good.

That’s why I said she knows I have “problems” because I’m human and knows I’m just playing the game.

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[–]Regergek1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah who the fuck talks like that? fucking lol

[–]1Self-honest[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

This response is the only thing I’ve read here that I would call “pathetic”. What’s good my dude? Why you hating on people and not offering anything of value to the conversation?

[–]Fakercel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All these dudes criticizing but not giving their own take to be evaluated

[–]warsie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, if she asks for problems just give the double barrel about them all fuck it

[–]theguytheguy10000 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

i think the key to it is to not need her.

you can tell a girl all your problems no matter how fucked up, but as long as you aren't emotionally leaning on her then it's no problem.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

But what good does it do to tell her? Just because you can do it and maybe get away with it, doesn’t mean you should.

[–]theguytheguy10000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

it's more a matter of who gives a fuck. tell her, don't tell her, whatever.

don't stress it basically.

you can do practically anything and a girl won't lose attraction as long as it's apparent her opinion of you means zero.

the key to it is to not seek her approval. by all means have a crying session in front of her, if you don't care what her opinion on it is then how can she lose attraction, it's against woman logic. the only time a woman will lose attraction is when you need her or care what she thinks. So ironically if you're really stuck on not looking like a bitch in front of her then that might on some subtle level even imply to her that you DO care what she thinks.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean... we could just cease all conversation because abundance. It’s good to discuss though.

[–]Splacchj0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I am very new to TRP and I am very interested in this topic: so in TRP vision of long term relationships, or primary relationships, it's never allowed to open your heart to your woman? To share "everything"? To find support? Or is there a way to build this?

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s not something a woman wants from you. She might say it’s what she wants, but she won’t like it. It’s also not something a man needs from a woman.

[–]nebraskaguy4020 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

" In the past I might have felt that there was a point where opening up was equivalent to moving the relationship forward with a woman or something that signified a certain status we had achieved together. "

This hits close to home. Just fucked up with the last girl I was dating. The blue pill conditioning kicked in, sent her a text saying "When can I see you again?" and she was out the door in 5 days.

[–]bonusfruit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wait, so she never made you the cup of coffee? Cut her loose

[–]ArmannAthiel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

hum, i find it a bit simplistic actually, i'm just at the starting point of my redpill journey. But i do think that only thing we should avoid when talking about problems, is waiting for your girl to solve them for you. IMO women want strong independant men, that can take care of themselves and that can take care of a family. So a whiny, and very demandant boyfriend would be avoided i guess. The problem with 'hiding' everything is currently what you seem to be facing. You can't really talk to your girl about anything problem related.
But if you got mates that can support you i see why you don't need to bother =)
Sometimes i often don't really see the point in being in a LTR.
Anyway, take care man, COVID is a bitch, but i'm sure you'll manage !

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man. I’m really not worried about the problems I listed. I believe in myself.

For me, the main reason for keeping things to yourself is that women are not the same as men. My girl has anxiety about the smallest things. If I have some real actual conflict in my life and I am able to navigate it without any emotional struggle, I should just handle it on my own.

If I tell one of my male friends about a problem, they can have a rational conversation with me about it. If I tell my girl about it, her first thought is going to be about how it effects her. Because women are solipsistic and selfish. If a small thing causes her emotional anguish, a large problem is going to really weigh on her. To me, part of being a valuable man is carrying that weight so the women in my life don’t have to.

They can be free to have fun and be the little kids they truly are. You wouldn’t put undue stress on your children. They just want to play and have fun and be loved.

[–]Blazer8080 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, you want the chick to leave her baggage at the door so you should do the same.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. But she is allowed some leeway because she’s a girl. I however will not poison our interaction with negativity AND have the fun relaxing sexy time I am there for.

[–]Giraytor-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Are you stupid? Nothing would be different and you could still have passionate sex that night. Is having sex some kind of a achievement for you? Just be yourself and be the best friends with your special other. Don’t toxicate young adults with this bullshit... Sharing your problems doesn’t render you vulnerable in a healthy relationship. If it does, walk away to stop hurting yourself and the other person.

[–]eddoraz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kardeş, a female is not your friend. Learn and internalise what is TRP and then your comments and opinions would matter. Just being yourself is opposite of Red Pill theory. Bu kadar yorumun içinde saçmalayan tek kişinin Türk çıkmasına hiç şaşırmadım. Önce TRP'nin ne olduğunu öğren, bilgin olmadan fikrin olmasın. Öğrenmeye niyetin yoksa da bu sub'ı kirletme, FDS sub'ında takılabilirsin. En yakın arkadaşın olduğun kadınlar götüne tekmeyi vurunca tekrar bu sub'a gelip ağlayacaksın.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What are you even doing here? This is beginner level stuff. It’s just a fact of life.

[–]iTAMEi-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This honestly reads like fan fiction

[–]1Self-honest[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How would you like it to read?

[–]Regergek-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

holy fuck imagine larping this hard LOL

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Great addition to the conversation. Anything else?

[–]Regergek-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

You think I have anything else to say to YOU? YOU???? Haha, you're funny babe.

[–]1Self-honest[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Cool. Great value you bring to the table. Enjoy your day.

[–]Regergek0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks, I will. Why does enjoying my day never get old!?

[–]Optionsmfd-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

u living with her?

she divorced ? kids?

how old are yall?



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