Is it fair for me to say that feminism is redundant in America?

Lon3Wo1f-117 · 2021-07-07T07:34:04+00:00

Yes. I can't think of a right that men have that women don't, but I can think of the reverse quite easily.

ImportantResults · 2021-07-07T17:54:37+00:00

Feminism is a very lucrative ideology that permeated all the way up to power.

Now it's more of a parasite and feminists will defend with their life the millionaire salaries they get from parroting propaganda.

Feminism get huge support because their dictionary definition is a lie which they also protect.

infinitofluxo · 2021-07-07T18:00:36+00:00

In most countries of the West, feminism is just advocating for female supremacy, no more women being opressed than men are.

reddut_gang · 2021-07-07T03:49:01+00:00

well psshh yeah but.... catcalling!

jokes aside, yes legally, it is redundant. intangibly, it's debatable whether it's even an issue about "rights". What are you going to tell me, that in 9 states you don't have body autonomy? In every state, every guy will at some point in his life not have body autonomy. And last time I checked, everyone has the right to not get raped, men and women. Dipshits will violate that right anyway. Try to find why those dipshits exist, try to make sure there will be no dipshits, but it's far from a "rights" issue.

EmptinessWithin · 2021-07-07T06:24:56+00:00

It's never redundant with these kinds of ideological projects. In 2 years, when they've bulldozed through their current issues, they'll find something new to be offended about. It's always a perpetual revolution with ideologies of supremacy and grievance.

MetroidJunkie · 2021-07-07T16:56:34+00:00

Whatever good they're doing for women, they're doing far more harm. They're willing to inflict massive gashes in an attempt to address small scratches.

maxyamongus · 2021-07-08T07:10:26+00:00

sorts by controversial

SweetPea_Reddit · 2021-07-09T14:43:53+00:00

I think it's needed in many countries but in most first world countries it's redundant. The feminist movement has mostly done it's job of levelling the playing field for women, you could even say it's tipped the scales a little too much, over-shadowing some of the unique issues men face.

If modern day feminists pointed their efforts into things that effect men too i.e.

• Addressing the sexism in child custody battles and parenting in general

• Talking about the double standards of sexual harassment towards men

• Normalising individualism among men and not ridiculing them for showing emotion

• As well as finding ways to help out women in 3rd world countries that do need feminism

Then I'd be able to say that feminism is still needed... But they don't. They're concerned about making menstrual products tax-free, having overpowered and poorly written female movie protagonists and closing a wage gap that doesn't even exist!

Yea I think all rape allegations should be taken seriously but all cases should be innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around.

Yes it is important to let know girls that a career in STEM is a viable option for them but we should also let boys know that being a nurse, make-up artist, vet, fashion designer or a teacher is a path they can also take.

Yes, we know the west isn't perfect but there girls in child marriages and women being kept prisoners In their own houses in other countries that could really use your feminist energy much more than the blades of pink razor vs a blue one.

ZS_1171 · 2021-07-07T04:08:32+00:00

I don't think you're wrong for thinking this way. I have the same thoughts.

Spydiggity · 2021-07-07T15:18:24+00:00

How about extremely cancerous?

blueXcat · 2021-07-07T15:50:30+00:00

Talking of that https://imgur.com/3ANCkGD.jpg https://imgur.com/sFWf3t0.jpg

JUSTKIDDING205 · 2021-07-07T15:52:12+00:00

Yeah I know what you mean I'm in the process or restoring my manhood

WashLimp1245 · 2021-07-07T21:37:20+00:00

Don’t go to that againstmalerights sub. It hurts, it hurts.

ZenCloud_II · 2021-07-08T11:54:00+00:00

People are still trying to ban abortion in the US, women are in a constant battle over their bodily autonomy. 1 in 5 women in the united states experience complete or attempted rape, and 1 in 3 of these people experience it between the ages 11-17. 81% of women experience some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime. The issues you raised are important, but it's incredibly ignorant to say feminism is 'redundant' in the US.

Source:

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/2015data-brief508.pdf

iainmf · 2021-07-07T05:37:58+00:00

Everybody, women and men, should be able to advocate for their rights.

The feminist movement is not required for women to advocate for their rights.

2021-07-07T11:24:43+00:00

Women have more rights in 2021 than they ever have in the history of humanity (at least here in the USA) and they're still complaining. Yeah, it's not about equality, it's about superiority.

annierosewood · 2021-07-07T03:47:36+00:00

Because it was never about equality. It was always about dominance.

Ice-Ice-B4by · 2021-07-07T05:21:26+00:00

no, if someone makes you feel otherwise he/she/it/hoe/simp/white-knight is a brain washed misandrist.

White_Mlungu_Capital · 2021-07-07T09:47:07+00:00

Just sit back, watch them eat themselves, this will be hilarious. Feminist fight for equality, but most women in the feminism movement want full on female domination supported by special privileges. The end result of this is feminist are pushing the Equality Act and for women to be forced into the draft so they can have equality in dying in foreign wars and selective service like men.

Don't interfere with them, they are about to eat themselves as most women oppose equality and don't want to be drafted. At the rate things are going they will pass the equality act and men and women will be treated actually EQUAL in the law (its a constitutional amendment that would ban treating different genders differently including gender identity).

If your gf calls the cops and says you hit her, tell the officer "I identify as a woman, therefore you cannot arrest me for DV". The officer will have to let you go free. You will then be able to use the pussy pass too, you just wait your turn.

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ZS_1171 · 2021-07-07T15:25:00+00:00

Yeah definitely. And those downvotes... oof. I guess it was? Idk

DavidByron2 · 2021-07-08T20:02:03+00:00

Feminism is a hate movement that is allied with the US imperialist government. The rich elites fund feminism to the tune of billions of dollars. So I'd say they see the need for anti-male hate even if you do not.

sonsofmotherbitches · 2021-07-08T23:44:05+00:00

The main point of feminism is no longer equal rights. In most aspects in most western countries we have pretty much the same rights. Abortion rights can differ though. I know alot of feminists who are trying to redefine feminism away from being female centered, to focusing on societal issues that effect all of us. For example: sexual assault, many men and women experience this and therefore it shouldnt be a gendered issues but more an issue in how our society is constructed. Also redefining emotions, from being seen as weak or feminine for showing emotions other than anger to embracing your vulnerability. I truly believe those are the types of feminists who will change the world. Not the people who scream kill all men or the men who scream rape all women. We need middleground and to see eye to eye. Realise our problems should all be seen as equal.

DouglasWallace · 2021-07-08T23:47:36+00:00

I really fail to see what feminism is trying to further accomplish if not female supremacy. Am I wrong for thinking this way?

I wouldn't say you're wrong but you're not quite there, either.

Feminism is a branch of cultural Marxism. cultural Marxism is a method of bringing a society to become communist and accepting non-democratic rule by weakening it to the point where the people actually want Marxist rule. The important thing to bear in mind is that feminism is just one wing of this (and possibly not even the most ultimately dangerous wing!). It is not there for the ultimate benefit of women, men, or children, though there are many people who still genuinely believe it is. It was never meant to be fair to men. Women are beginning to realise that it isn't for their benefits, either. As for children .. well, another wing of cultural Marxism is euthanasia societies, already well advanced with the cheapening of human life by bringing in abortion, so children certainly aren't getting much from it unless they are growing up into good little communists, which is the only acceptable citizen.

Selvadoc · 2021-07-09T01:15:05+00:00

I agree. I lost 6 professional jobs as a Vice President because they wanted women. I was easily more qualified.

GaleKnight72 · 2021-07-09T13:53:19+00:00

In practice many issues mainly affecting women are very real and constitute the main agenda points of western feminism. Such as violence towards women (domestic abuse, assault, harassment, rape) which rarely ever result in legal consequences for the attacker, thus creating further normalisation of such violence.

Daddy_Stop · 2021-07-07T10:18:54+00:00

Its thought that the life expectancy gap will close in 2 or 3 decades. I imagine they'll start complaining about that when it happens (despite keeping quiet about women living longer on average currently)

Iceman_Hottie · 2021-07-07T12:49:58+00:00

No it's not redundant. It was a cancer on society from the very beginning.

A brief reminder: feminists opposed the female vote untill any accompanying obligations were dropped, while men were and are drafted for their right to vote.

Comfortable_Ad_574 · 2021-07-07T03:48:44+00:00

You are not wrong. Feminism is evil to its root. Even 1st wave were anti-men (White Feather Girls/ Punkhurst family)

Dr Shaym made a video of 50 female privileges.

Sargon of Akkad made a video about 48 female privileges.

ghosh30 · 2021-07-07T06:14:55+00:00

Feminism exists everywhere, not just America. Middle east is the only region in the world where there is no place for feminism.

Northern Europe is far worse than America.

Steaky_B · 2021-07-07T08:05:58+00:00

Your 100% correct id even go as far as saying in the west in general even in Australia it's like that too they have far more privileges than men do. Modern women in the West are not only the most privileged women to ever exist in the history of mankind they're the most privileged HUMANS to ever exist in the history of existance. They literally can do no wrong and have no need to take accountability because there's social conventions in place that nullify any need to take accountability. For example if they're fat 'love your curves girl big is beautiful' if they're annoying or rude 'your just an independent strong woman they can't handle you they have small D energy' etc. If they make any bad decisions they regret they can simply shift the blame to someone or something else and be absolved of all accountability. They can go on a dating app go on a date with a man with no intention of anything other than using him as a meal ticket and get away with it without any circumstances I read on another subreddit a story of a girl inviting guys over to her house telling them to bring her food so naturally the guys do then she would open the door take the food and literally say 'thanks for the free food' and then slam the door in their face and lock it and the man can't do anything about it. There's infinitely more situations like this that happen all the time like OP said. I don't hate women or have any animosity towards them but its just ignorant and dangerous to ignore that these things happen.

oafsalot · 2021-07-07T12:12:54+00:00

Its not unfair to say but its far from the whole picture. Women and girls are still in need of some legal reform. Abortion for example.

MrHupfDohle · 2021-07-07T09:13:57+00:00

Only in the regard, that you should include europe as well. Probably more places.

DoorIntoSummer02 · 2021-07-07T12:05:26+00:00

It is. As a woman I always get confused as to why do we even need feminism here? We’re equal now, what else do you want?!

NikolaiDWolfski · 2021-07-07T11:22:45+00:00

Feminism is cancer and Americans are spreading this cancer worldwide. Even my country is being effected by it.

MrElderwood · 2021-07-07T12:47:31+00:00

It's an outrage- and money-generating machine, and little more nowadays, evidenced by their preoccupation with their own 1st world issues and 3rd world real issues for women be damned!. Plus it keeps the plebs fighting amongst themselves, although I doubt that's any more than a happy accident for the legislative class!

It's a revenge cult that is pretty self-perpetuating too, with fresh, new, energetic youngsters that are particularly susceptible to their lies and fantasy-worldbuilding narrative. And they are the ones that tend to shout with the audacity of youth and think that they are following some divine truth.

They get to 'fight back' at the half of humanity that have 'wronged them' and feel like part of a tribe - all the more important and seductive in an age of isolation such as this (even pre-Covid).

Thankfully, most of them grow up and realise that they were lied to and that 4th wave feminism is most as I described an that it only helps those with axes to grind or T-shirts & books to sell! Of course the damage has been perpetuated and there's plenty more young cannon fodder to fill the holes in the ranks.

jacksleepshere · 2021-07-07T10:17:10+00:00

I’d be fine with feminism even if it continued to not support men’s issues or issues that disproportionately affect men, so long as they didn’t vilify the male gender. Just about all of their advocacy comes down to “men are bad and need to change”.

imbecile · 2021-07-07T10:39:50+00:00

Well, there are some legitimate issues. There are still a lot of people who want to and do deny women birth control and body autonomy.

That particular problem would be better served by universal health care though.

Similar with pregnancy/parental leave. Would be better served with better worker protections in general.

Better worker protections in general would also take care of 99% of everything women complain about in the workplace.

Czar1470 · 2021-07-07T04:19:45+00:00

That’s modern America for you, maybe push for for new policies for change, won’t be easy since every thing is considered “hate speech” or “misogynistic” but it’s worth it in the end

73Scamper · 2021-07-07T15:29:42+00:00

I think that feminism is pretty overreaching in modern America, but it's not redundant. There are women's issues to still address, even if we think men's issues at this point are more pressing and would benefit society as a whole more.

As long as there are specific women's issues feminism should still exist to some extent or another, same with any movement to protect and support any group of people.

Fafikommander · 2021-07-07T06:26:32+00:00

You are not wrong, this is exactly, what is happening. Some of them are outright admitting that. It´s the same as a boy, who got bullied all his life and thinks, therefor he is obligated to go into a school and shoot everyone.

Drayenn · 2021-07-07T13:02:27+00:00

Tbh i feel like feminism has some work to do regarding sexism that has to do with behavior like rape and such... also promoting men heavy jobs to women is fine too. Otherwise i dont know. Wage difference has been debunked im pretty sure.

The fact that feminism is nitpicking more or goes a bit more crazy means their progress has been really good over time.

GeneralWackass · 2021-07-07T04:42:12+00:00

McFeely_Smackup · 2021-07-07T17:35:54+00:00

You have to understand two things:

Feminism as a concept was coined due to women being systematically subjugated in society.
No social movement in history has ever disbanded after achieving their goals.

The reasons that Feminism was needed were resolved decades ago, but nobody likes giving up authority, so the current platforms of the movement are imaginary, exaggerated, or simply dishonest.

500dollarsunglasses · 2021-07-07T22:41:57+00:00

No, not as long as people are trying to ban abortion. Bodily autonomy is a basic human right.

-MaiQ- · 2021-07-07T10:47:37+00:00

Overall they rant how their lives are bad while women in middle east have less rights then a fukin fridge

CODDE117 · 2021-07-07T16:07:03+00:00

It isn't redundant. While women have it a helluva lot better in the West than they do in other places around the world, there are still issues that affect people by gender here in the US and other Western Democracies.

As a men's rights activist, we agree that there are inconsistencies in our society that negatively affect men. Well, the same deal with women. Not nearly as much as in other countries, and not to the extent that it used to be. But just like men are treated unequally, women are too.

enlightenedchicken1 · 2021-07-07T16:15:35+00:00

Feminism in America is less about legal protections and more about changing societal norms/gender roles, so no, it is not redundant

Keronisin · 2021-07-07T09:53:14+00:00

But they get their butt grabbed by a stranger once a decade, so I think it's fair.

/s

udsnyder08 · 2021-07-07T14:05:05+00:00

No! I can think of a use for feminism in the United States: keeping biological Men out of women’s sports!

JJ_Sama213 · 2021-07-07T13:27:20+00:00

There are legit places where they need feminism. The western world just isn't one of them

DraganTehPro · 2021-07-07T04:29:38+00:00

As an American woman:

The first part is true.

The second part no.

The third part is true.

The fourth part is true.

The fifth part is true.

Additionally I live in a place where I do not have the right to abortion. Yes, men should also have the rights to financial abortion as well. I think there should be a way we can solve both these issues without fighting over which is more important. Abortion rights and financial abortion rights are equally important.

Women's rights have mostly been fulfilled, but I am mostly worried about protecting them. I don't want anything like The Handmaids Tale to happen.

Ben6924 · 2021-07-07T12:39:23+00:00

It's kinda weird how there is never equality, only the group with more problems switches. Talking about America, you're probably right. If you look at Europe however, whole different story. I wish they did more over here and not try to fix things were no fixing needs to be done.

Edit: so I have looked a little deeper into this comment section and now I actually think that a continuation of the feminist movement is important just to keep the current status of women's rights and because there is still bullshit in society that needs more progress to be done.

YakImportant3241 · 2021-07-08T19:33:34+00:00

As a woman, I am in support of modern feminism. Examples would be, lowering the death rate of black women in childbirth, young girls of color being disciplined the same amount as white children, masculinization of black women and how they are treated because of that. This is what real feminism is, not these outdated views of feminism you men keep recycling.

dcs577 · 2021-07-07T12:17:47+00:00

I’m a feminist the same way I’m an abolitionist

uwahhhhhhhhhh · 2021-07-07T08:32:06+00:00

Yes and no, its redundant in the fact that it's saying they're below men but it's needed in the fact that some sexist stuff for both genders exist.

UnevenBrownies · 2021-07-07T07:53:09+00:00

the equality died off after WW2 shows how women are equally capable to craft an airplane to defeat enemy nations, after that it's just them putting dominance over men

Time_Charity4286 · 2021-07-07T06:38:15+00:00

I feel like nowadays women’s rights have been fulfilled(in the eyes of the law), it’s more so a focus on social issues that women face that feminists want to focus on.

Fluffy_Tamago · 2021-07-07T20:42:30+00:00

The issues that you are describing I believe can be solved through the continuation of feminism. The current wave of feminism mostly seeks to address the double standards we have for men and women to reach equality between the two genders since there shouldn't be any preferential treatment for either gender. These differences occur due pre-concieved notions that permeate out society between the two that should be demolished.

In regards to women's preferential treatment in family-related cases is due to the long-standing belief that mothers are somehow inherently better at being caretakers than fathers when they aren't!

Lots of woman privilege is based on this, and so have many of their past restrictions that thankfully feminism has pushed against. Not that some don't still exist in U.S (bodily autonomy etc.)

As we address women's lack of rights in men social spheres do we begin to address the inequality of men in women social spheres.

For example with the mandatory draft. Men are targeted because they are stronger and tougher than woman and are perceived as more disposable than woman. While woman are seen as more valuable at home (taking care of children) or away from the front lines (as nurses).

This is toxic to both genders. It restricts both groups to either toxic femininity or masculinity regardless of their choice. To live in a society yiu must be subjected to that society's norms (whether or not it is beneficial to oneself to do so).

If you want to further men's rights we should work together with feminists to push equality between the two genders.

If you want to understand more I recommend looking into psychology books as a start!

andjustice_forall · 2021-07-07T07:36:05+00:00

You would be wrong. Even if everything you said here was true, it wouldn’t prove your claim. Feminism is about the pursuit of equality for women and there are demonstrably places where society still treats women inequitably.

OfficerTackleberry · 2021-07-07T13:29:22+00:00

Yes, the domestic violence and sexual assault epidemic has been way overblown. Since most rape accusations are false its no longer an epidemic but a trust issue. Women need to stop putting themselves in positions that set themselves up for violence or assault. Carry a gun.

Feminism is futile in a patriarchal society. This is a man's world and always will be.

Title	Is it fair for me to say that feminism is redundant in America?
Author	EstrangedNeko
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Date	July 7, 2021 3:36 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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