I thought feminism was about giving women the right to choose what they wanted and equal rights.
Well I’m sick of other women making my wife feel ashamed for being an awesome mother and a stay at home mom.
My wife is brilliant and enjoyed the mental stimulation of work. However, she wanted a family and wanted to be home to be an active part of our child’s life and be there for all the special moments. She said she didn’t want our child to spend 6-8 hours a day bonding and growing up with strangers.
So many women share their disappointment and shame her for making a free choice of being a stay at home mother.
I guess this post is more about venting but feminism is so messed up and it’s a lot of things but equally is not one of them.
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Men can choose whatever they want. If they want to work 40 years of 40 hours, that's up to them.
sorry.
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You're missing the point. Its not about how easy it is, its the pointlessness. She references Camus' Sisyphus, from the myth of Sisyphus, which was a socialist icon to represent not only the meaninglessness of working class jobs, but the existential meaningless nature of life.
She's pointing out that women being condemned to a life of cleaning etc is shit. Its unfulfilling and kills the soul. Don't say that she isnt entitled to say this, in 1949 her book the second sex was a super important work in furthering women's rights.
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Well it's a shit idea, better have women build new homes every week than clean an existing one because it's pointless? Do these people ever listen to themself? Because they make shit arguments and then feel attacked when no one buys their shit arguments. Some jobs are just keeping things running and there is nothing wrong about that. Sure they are not as fancy as some engineer creating some new machine or a chemist a cure for an illness but they are valuable jobs and someone has to do them. Instead of offering a solution better throw everything over the bridge, because it's not okay dokay as it is now...
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dont strawman.
There isn't anything wrong with such jobs, you're correct. But the quote is concerned with how women are forced to be care takers and stay at home mothers. They aren't allowed jobs.
Beauvoir wrote many books on the topic. Taking a couple of quotes and then trying to dismiss her as not offering a better solution is intellectually dishonest.
You seem to forget that those words were written in 1949. Where women were undoubtedly second class citizens and forced into unfulfilling social roles.
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i really wish, honestly i do, that men's rights wasn't so obsessed with attacking women. That it wasn't built around rejecting the struggle they've gone through for recognition. You just look back through history and see how they've fought for rights and won them, and its inspiring. feminism was something that was really needed for society to progress.
Youre looking at the inequalities of the present, and trying to map it all throughout history. men's rights seems awesome in some aspects, like male disposability, fathers in courts, and men as success objects. Fighting that stuff is awesome and really important. But pretending women have had it fantastic through history, and weren't forced to be house wives is so intellectually insincere it reveals what a large portion of mras are concerned with: misogyny.
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insulting people doesnt make your cause seem appealing. Ive been looking at mra stuff, but all the blatant misogyny seems to miss the point you guys try to make. All you've done is be insulting, offensive, and create strawmen to argue with.
You act like in 1950 women weren't treated like shit, forced into the position of cleaning and cooking. That's just blatantly, blatantly wrong. The issue raised is that being forced into that position is a massive problem, not the position itself. Considering Beauvoir was an existentialist, suddenly freedom becomes a massive thing when people impede on that.
If all you mras can do is insult people, and dismiss the history of people's struggle. Then maybe you shouldnt have the voice i initially thought you should
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I'd be careful before you shit on Beauvoir. She was an incredible writer, and really important in both existentialism and feminism. She helped make massive strides for womens rights, and in 1949, that's an incredible achievement.
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The second sex is an incredibly interesting read. And in 1949, what she wrote about was real, and so incredibly far from whinging that you're coming off as dishonest, so i massively disagree with you on that.
And Sartre is the one of the most influential intellectuals of the 20th century. And his thing certainly wasn't life is futile, that's just plain wrong.
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🤗 That's the mark of a good parent right there. If both parents are working (especially if it's demanding jobs) the child is going to be left to figure out things on their own or potentially get influenced by bad people in society. It's a recipe for disaster.
Now to be clear I'm not saying that this HAS to be a woman's role. I have the same amount of respect for stay at home dads as well. There are too many SJW and rad fem indoctrination camps both online and offline that are ready to weaponize your kids against you and against other kids as well.
PS. How the heck did you find such a good wife? Give the rest of us some tips lol
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Nice! Never knew Reddit could be so amazing.
The downside though is now you have to be careful about your post history because your wife knows your username so she knows what your up to 🤣
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I'm a feminist and I think that your wife can choose whatever she wants and what makes her happy. People who say otherwise, mostly are not feminists or just don't understand what this is really about. If your wife is satisfied, then I don't see a problem. The same thing is with men, you can do with your life whatever you want and please be happy because you deserve it too, all of us does.
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