Women More Hostile Than Men in Politics

Breaker-of-circles · 2020-12-02T14:02:44+00:00

This has been demonstrated throughout European history. Queens are more likely to wage war than Kings.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/06/01/who-gets-into-more-wars-kings-or-queens

modernamericanslave · 2020-12-02T12:33:48+00:00

“In the media, women politicians are often stereotyped as consensus building and willing to work across party lines,” said study author Heather Louise Ondercin (@HeatherOndercin), an assistant professor at Appalachian State University.

“This portrayal of women did not match what we know about women’s political behavior, mainly that they hold stronger partisan attachments than men. We wanted to figure out how women’s political identities and issue positions shaped their feelings towards the parties compared to men.”

TreeFrog223 · 2020-12-02T13:41:05+00:00

My bosses who were women screamed, yelled, and threw emotional temper tantrums way more than my male colleagues/boess. Also, male colleagues/bosses took criticism way better.

Don't doubt it. I'd attribute it to women feeling the need to "prove themselves" and being more emotional in general. Whereas male bosses/colleagues proved themselves thru results and by leading to get things done, and not barking orders.

Apprehensive_Ad1248 · 2020-12-02T14:52:36+00:00

This got posted on /r/science and the amount of vitrol these people are willing to spread just to deny one study that slightly paints women in a negative light is horrifying.

They really can get away with anything to a large subsection of the population.

Dean_Clean · 2020-12-02T15:11:36+00:00

I believe this out of hand for the same reason Queens pushed for more wars that Kings. Real Queens, not Kweens.

Francis_Dollar_Hide · 2020-12-02T14:52:57+00:00

Queue the "internalized misogyny" gambit.

accidental_me · 2020-12-02T14:38:15+00:00

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Men have dealt with the outside world for millions of years much more than women. It's no wonder that men's tribalism is weaker. There are all kind of studies suggesting that men have been "build" to co-operate across tribal lines, not anly wage war.

Xerontitan90 · 2020-12-02T15:22:50+00:00

In India, the only dictator we had was a women, Indira Gandhi.

WoodenCourage · 2020-12-02T18:41:52+00:00

There’s a lot of incredible claims being made in the comments that makes me really question: Did anyone here actually read the article? It says the following:

“One question steaming from this project is, why do women hold stronger partisan identities? We find that women’s higher levels of affective polarization are partially a result of women holding stronger partisan identities. Other research also finds that women tend to hold stronger social identities and attribute this to women’s being more pro-social. More work needs to be done to understand what role pro-social behavior plays in the formation and strength of partisan identities,” Ondercin said.

Earlier in the article, stronger attitudes on abortion was specifically mentioned. Also this is in general and doesn’t mean every women is more hostile in politics than men (this study doesn’t look at every day life, just politics). Being more partisan doesn’t mean women are more emotional or narcissistic or whatever claims I’ve seen thrown around. It could actually mean the opposite or be completely irrelevant. Abortion of course has a direct relationship to women and politics, so that makes sense. When abortion is such a major partisan issue in the US, it wouldn’t be surprising if this contributed to the partisan difference, but that needs to be studied further as was mentioned. The US political system greatly skews towards men in terms of representation, so the environment that that creates will inevitably have a difference. It’s not a stretch to suggest this hostility difference would evaporate once parity is achieved. The abortion issue also is more of an ideological debate than an emotional one. Ideological hostility really isn’t that surprising.

Also it’s important to discuss magnitude of polarization:

“Women are slightly more affectively polarized than men, meaning that there is a larger difference between women’s feelings towards their political party and their feelings towards the other political party,” Ondercin told PsyPost.

We are talking about a slight difference. It’s not like women are staunch partisan hacks while men are great negotiators.

This study doesn’t touch on important things like what topics men are more hostile on and which ones women are. It doesn’t touch on how specific party identity, district of origin, wealth, ideology, or other things impact partisanship and hostility. It also doesn’t even give magnitudes off hostility other than saying “slightly more.” Overall, it’s a pretty crappy article. I’d love to read the study if it wasn’t stuck behind a paywall.

I’m seeing a lot of hypocrisy here where people are commenting very hostile attitudes towards women as they critique women for hostility.

Schroedinbug · 2020-12-02T19:09:36+00:00

This is a little off from what the study is saying if I've read it right. I'm not sure if you are saying that female politicians are more polarized than male politicians, but if so the study seems to say that women are more polarized on political issues (abortion for example). The focus isn't on politicians, but on everyday people, though some studies on gender in politicians are referenced.

McFeely_Smackup · 2020-12-02T17:12:47+00:00

In addition to partisanship, women’s stronger attitudes about abortion contribute to the gender gap in affective polarization

So can we stop pretending that abortion laws are "men trying to control women"?

jasonhoblin · 2020-12-02T17:07:47+00:00

Learn your Life Sciences; women are more hostile in general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1NBpVKWh_c

hottake_toothache · 2020-12-02T18:07:20+00:00

Sounds right to me.

genkernels · 2020-12-02T18:14:13+00:00

Strange study, it is hard to get exactly what they are measuring. It may be that they come up with this conclusion almost entirely because men are more likely to identify as politically independent, rather than because women are more likely to be strongly partisan. I wouldn't know, the study isn't very straightforward with its raw data and leaps right into models.

Tychodragon · 2020-12-02T21:52:59+00:00

just in politics? LOL

Vashstampede20 · 2020-12-03T00:41:30+00:00

I thought this was common knowledge

DrZoidberg26 · 2020-12-02T16:42:49+00:00

I’m willing to bet that a study look at all aspects of life would find women are more hostile in general. There’s a reason the Karen and angry black woman stereotypes are geared towards people, whereas the Kyle stereotype focus on things like minor property damage.

ImJustAVG · 2020-12-02T17:03:19+00:00

Jordan Peterson explains it being because when men are assertive with each other there's a sort of underlying implied threat of physical violence. Even if it's almost for certain not going to happen. Which causes them to be more civil. Women add a different dynamic.

innerpeice · 2020-12-02T17:24:40+00:00

On politics? In everything. The most aggressive and violence in relationships is women to women , then women to men. In that order

xRiTd · 2020-12-02T15:25:22+00:00

Yes, some prime examples are kamala harris, nancy pelosi, HILLARY CLINTON

bufedad · 2020-12-02T20:21:54+00:00

From the comments I can tell no one actually ready the article.

“This portrayal of women did not match what we know about women’s political behavior, mainly that they hold stronger partisan attachments than men. We wanted to figure out how women’s political identities and issue positions shaped their feelings towards the parties compared to men.”

Women are similar more partisan and less willing to work with the “other side” because they tend to have more social identities. It’s more like, they don’t view policy differences (specifically abortion) as just policy differences. Instead it’s viewed from an attack on identity.

This doesn’t mean women are by nature more aggressive than men are

Pecuthegreat · 2020-12-02T21:06:38+00:00

Something, Something, Something, still men's fault Somehow.

iamablackbaby · 2020-12-02T21:03:53+00:00

Not that i don't appreciate the point, i completely do, but this specifically gathers data based on abortion rights which naturally women will likely feel more strongly on than men, just as circumcision is a topic men likely feel more strongly about than women.

Bigandsosochunky · 2020-12-02T23:23:47+00:00

Dont want to be that guy, arent politics supposed to be aggressive?

kaushrah · 2020-12-03T03:24:20+00:00

That has been true historically as well. Women rulers were more ruthless and power hungry. Queen Irene of Byzantine gauged her sons eyes out so she can claim queen regent title for life since the son was incapable of ruling

themolestedsliver · 2020-12-03T16:28:05+00:00

What amazes me is if this was the reverse you'd see COUNTLESS posts on twox , feminism, etc about how

"THIS IS INDCATIVE OF RAPE CULTURE"

Or

"THE PATRIARCHY IS TOO BLAME, MEN SO ENTITLED"

yet because women are criticized they couldnt care less.

2020-12-02T22:16:56+00:00

in business too. women are extremely competitive because they feel powerless.

I ran an IT business, the female CEOs I had to deal with were far more nasty, dictatorial and all felt they were the victim each time. they ran their businesses like absolute despots. you can reason with males in absolute power, but not females. learnt a lot observing them.

one even claimed to run her business as female support group and like a family, but all the women there hated their lives. awful.

yet here we are with more and more women getting power claiming "sisterhood". lies. its always queen bees and exclusion control methods. the worst thing is, they act like it isnt.

Jean-Ralphio-Junior · 2020-12-02T18:10:03+00:00

What does this have to do with men's rights?

e_cris93 · 2020-12-02T21:00:24+00:00

Well next year or after we’ll have a new President and she’ll find a new country to go to war with.

LightningMagnum · 2020-12-02T23:42:23+00:00

Not even surprised. In the workplace (private company) women might seem like they’re nice to you and each other, but they become alpha bitches after a while.

carpbasher · 2020-12-02T16:41:53+00:00

Ruled by their emotions, bleat when they don't like something and cry when they are at fault, then proceed to side step the consequences or though that much shit untill something sticks then get preferred treatment. Once in power they are more callous than any man, constantly seeking verification to sooth their own narcissistic tendencies, and always build a team of bitches around them, and we think these characteristics are to be welcomed into the workplace well just take a look at what a hundred years of women in power has done to Western society what a joke.

Juilyn · 2020-12-02T16:17:10+00:00

we been knew

trevrest · 2020-12-03T00:12:26+00:00

When this was posted on science someone went through the article and quoted the most important bit, that women in US politics often have to draw the line when it comes to abortion thus making them less likely to cross the aisle when the issue arose.

Starmind0 · 2020-12-03T02:20:56+00:00

But hey, if they were men it would be "toxic masculinity".

SonyXboxNintendo13 · 2020-12-02T20:14:05+00:00

They're despotical, that is what it is. Indira Gandhi committed genocide without flinching. Dilma disrespected the Constitution and instead of apologizing kept repeating ad infinitum that her impeachment was a coup. Kristina Kirchner tried to control the economy ruthlessly and made Argentina fall flat on its face. Jacinda Ardern threatened with prison who spread the manifest of Brenton Tarrant.

Lorenz99 · 2020-12-02T18:01:38+00:00

Women are more hostile than men period. They can do whatever they want and get away with it. They live without consequences unlike men. Men have to worry about what happens after their actions. So women never had to worry about anything other than their little bubbles so that is why women are the hostile sex.

kjvlv · 2020-12-02T20:56:23+00:00

one of the reasons I do not think a woman commander in cheif is such a good idea. they will just,,, keep,, killing. Then go after anyone that supported the enemy, said something nice about the enemy or checked out the enemies butt.

windows_n_cheese · 2020-12-02T16:50:05+00:00

I think this might be the case because it is mainly men in high up positions, so when a woman gets that opportunity they try and live up to expectations and in trying to be better than their male counterparts they end up being quite aggressive

Pake1000 · 2020-12-02T17:46:04+00:00

And then you have people like Trump and McConnell in politics who are easily the most hostile, far more than Pelosi.

Women More Hostile Than Men in Politics

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Title	Women More Hostile Than Men in Politics
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