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Girl who cried UVa. gang rape pretended to be her rapist to win a boy, lawyers say. Hundreds of fantasy, fake texts. You couldn't make it up.

Consilio_et_Animis

February 10, 2016
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Title Girl who cried UVa. gang rape pretended to be her rapist to win a boy, lawyers say. Hundreds of fantasy, fake texts. You couldn't make it up.
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Consilio_et_Animis

Upvotes 1184
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Date February 10, 2016 3:27 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 224 points225 points226 points 10 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

You couldn't make it up.

Point of fact, she did.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 71 points72 points73 points 10 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! You would have to make up a story about a girl making up a story.

"The difference between reality and fiction? Fiction has to make sense."

"I’ve made up stuff that’s turned out to be real, that’s the spooky part"

— both quotes from Tom Clancy

[–]notmyusualreddit 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Gone Girl is not just a movie to girls these days, it's an instruction manual. Girl I dated this summer said she liked the movie and I was a bit thrown off. When I noticed she had the Gone Girl book on her nightstand too, I honestly got freaked out and lost a decent amount of affection for the chick. She seemed like a sociopath in training in several ways, and this was close to the final straw.

[–]LilyBentley 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I have heard generally that people liked it but have not actually read it, care to explain? Spoilers fine for me, but maybe PM to avoid others I'd needed?

[–]notmyusualreddit 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

It's a decent movie but more of a thriller drama type and not typical of something you'd say is one of your favorite type movies. To watch a crazy sociopath woman destroy lives for 2 hours and then go "you know what, I need to read more about this psycho cunt.." and get the book. No thanks.

It would be like if a girl saw a couple movies and books about serial killers at a guys house.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Yo serial killers are pretty interesting. One day I had a marathon of Hannibal shows etc, and ended it with Mr. Brooks. Pretty good.

But you know what happened that night? I sat on the couch and began rationalizing the thrill of murder, the way its so intricately described by the media I was consuming.

Obviously I came to my senses very quickly, and was terrified by my own thoughts. I put my new interest to rest that night.

You are what you eat. You are also what you watch and read. Think about that.

[–]jwinf843 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

...okay Anita

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

You're comparing me to Anita Sarkeesian?

My criticism extends to all overconsumption of media. Maybe I didn't clarify that the problem is really prevalent when you are overconsuming. As is the same with food.

EDIT: For the record, I think Anita is a prime example of someone adversely affected by overconsumption of feminist propaganda.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Aren't all the activists?

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is why it's key to not let people know when you are subjecting them to propaganda. Let them believe their opinions are actually their own.

But don't let the fear of everything being propaganda poison your mind and cause paranoia.

Just. Think. It's okay to consume media and others opinions, just be aware of what it's doing to you.

[–]Sad_Potatoes 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would be with you if I thought Anita actually believed the shit she spews. She is just a con artist.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe she does and doesn't believe what she preaches. She may very well know when she's stretching the truth. I think she knows most of the time, but sometimes doesn't, and that she spends so long in the echo chamber that her original reality of "I'm going to be a feminazi anti-gamer propagandist for money" may have evolved into "Wow, I'm actually doing the right thing here. I never realized before I did this job, just how fucking sexist this industry is. I need to keep finding things to expose, because it makes me feel good".

I believe she walked into this career as a con artist in her own mind. But I also believe she's going to walk out of it delusional because of all the echoing. The truth? She's a piece of shit. I have never listened to her speak once, I have no idea what she actually talks about, and don't know what point I made that I'm being compared to her for exactly, but I also don't care. I know enough about her to decide that I don't need her toxicity influencing me.

[–]notmyusualreddit 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree. I'm 31 and had a decent amount of gfs and flings. A few years ago I noticed a pattern... I saw big connections between actions and what girls told me their favorite movie was or what movie they liked at the time. It sounds stupid but it's been too strong of a correlation of behavior to ignore.

These days I ask them early and watch the damn movie if I haven't seen it. It's taught me a lot about all of them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah absolutely. The same rules affect you too. If you spend too much time here, you risk developing contempt of women feminists, not necessarily, but I believe you understand the point I'm making.

I mean, it's the entire premise of propaganda after all, we just forget sometimes that the media we're consuming doesn't have to be propaganda in order to have the propaganda effect. And convincing us something ISN'T propaganda, is the ultimate propaganda tool for that reason.

[–]bakedpotato486 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm inclined to think that it's not really that consuming media will influence one's actions, but it's people predisposed to such actions that are attracted to media that validates their biases.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

If that were true then a person would be incapable of changing their mind on things like political issues. They would be incapable of changing habits. Not only that, but how would you explain millions of people being predisposed to similar ideologies based on geographical locations? How can you explain billions of devout communists in China with random predisposition? Or hundreds of people born in an isolated mountain village who believe in eating the corpses of their deceased family members to take on their souls? And then when they're exposed to world culture and taught that eating their deceased relatives has been the cause of widespread mental issues such as alzheimer's among them, they suddenly drop that predisposition? Nothing short of a miracle could make something as coincidental as that exist.

If someone has a predisposition to or against something, it's because their mind was formed in a way that would accept or deny that reality. The difficulty in changing that reality is based upon how complex their reality is, how dependent their self identity and world view is upon the point that they're attempting to change. When it's too complex and their mind is too deeply built upon the foundation of that idea, their mind puts up very strong resistance to the change, because when you remove the foundation of the mind, mental breakdown and severe trauma may occur, and the more severe an effect it will have when it falls apart, the more the mind resists. A person is wholly capable of creating deep change in their mind that would alter those dispositions. Trauma from an external source may force a person's mind to change, or willpower may give them the strength to do it themselves and rebuild their mind as they see fit, to the degree that they are able to dig to. Willpower gives them the strength to remove that foundation piece without destroying their reality completely.

It is lack of willpower, and apathy, that cause people to become slaves to their own minds. Ignorance will only make one incapable of challenging one's own concept of reality. One's willpower can also be used to protect one's mind from unwanted change. Our minds are tools, they are not us. We have power over them, and must exercise that power, lest we become too weak to use it when we really need it. When trauma threatens your mental stability, or when someone attempts to influence you somehow, it is the strength of your willpower that lets you fight or embrace the change of state, and your clarity and self awareness that allows you to make the right decision on how to wield your willpower. Do not believe you are a product of your mind, because it is quite the opposite.

[–]CrazM 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, the book was a very entertaining thriller (I didn't really like the story, but the structure made the plot twists satisfying) and significantly better than the movie.

Just because I liked the movie Fight Club and have the novel doesn't mean I need radical psychotherapy in the form of kicking ass. It was just entertaining.

[–]Sad_Potatoes 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a pretty damn good movie, what is wrong with that?

[–]bashar_speaks 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gone Girl is actually an anti-feminist story. I remember a quote by the author that was basically, "Lol, I killed feminism..."

That doesn't stop sociopathic women from indentifying with the main character, but yeah. The story comes across like a Elliot Rodgers-type manifesto for women. The male lead is not 100% sympathetic, but the story really illustrates how unfair society and the system is to men.

[–]shazbottled 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Liking it doesn't make it a manual. I love Gone Girl, it was a terrific and chilling movie. I watched it on mushrooms and I was on the edge of my seat, it was incredibly intense.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

or did she?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Touché

[–]Haven_Monahan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here i go again, not existing...

[–]HoobidyMcBoobidy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How did that chemistry final go?

[–]Folamh3 77 points78 points79 points 10 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

It's disgusting how Jessica Valenti published an article detailing how she "stood with Jackie" even after the holes in the story had been revealed and Rolling Stone had retracted the story, and said that she had "nothing to lose" by so doing.

Too right she has nothing to lose. A fraternity gets falsely accused of gang rape and they get death threats and bricks thrown in their windows. And what happens to the false accuser, and the people who helped her fan the flames? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[–]masgrada 41 points42 points43 points 10 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I'm going out on a limb here and say rolling stone is in for a world of legal hurt soon.

[–]Folamh3 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

That's true. As to whether Jackie and Sabrina Erdely themselves will ever face any entirely deserved legal repercussions, that's another story.

[–]captain_craptain 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I think Sabrina has gone into hiding and given up writing. So I guess that's at least a step in the right direction. I would hope she'd never find a writing job again. I don't wish her ill will, I hope she can find a job to support herself, just not as a journalist.

[–]Folamh3 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The most charitable interpretation of events is that she's merely very incompetent in that capacity, so yeah.

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[–]captain_craptain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Well that's just a shitty thing to say. You know how Feminists are always saying that MRAs are being dickhead assholes to them all the time? I hope you don't do twitter.

[–]ElMorono 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not the guy you replied to, and I understand your point, but trust me, far worse things are being said about us.

[–]captain_craptain 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's why I don't think it should be tolerated. No need to give anyone ammo even if you're saying it in jest.

[–]ElMorono 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, fair point, friend.

[–]Endless_Summer 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How is tone policing like a feminist any better?

[–]captain_craptain -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not tone policing. I'm saying don't be an unnecessary douche bag. How is making outlandish and petulant remarks gonna help anything?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think there is any crime involved in lying to a reporter. Unless Jackie made a false report to law enforcement, this falls entirely on the reporter and publisher for not checking their facts before printing something potentially libelous.

[–]Folamh3 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Defamation, or slander?

[–]lidsville76 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In print its called libel.

thanks J.J.J.

[–]the_icebear 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is it about that line and that delivery that makes it stick in our heads so well?

[–]acelister 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally just heard that quote upon reading OP.

[–]Jerzeem 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Those aren't criminal acts. They're civil torts. She can be sued, but there's not a criminal act to get a DA interested.

[–]Folamh3 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, that makes sense.

[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt she'll get sued, she has no money. And there are no criminal repercussions, because she didn't lie to the police. She lied to her friends, to the university, and to Erdely, but (not to defend her) none of this would have got to press if Erdely had done her due diligence and actually attempted to verify Jackie's story. So in that sense, Jackie gets off the hook a bit, because Erdely is a professional who took the word of an obvious liar as gospel.

[–]I_divided_by_0- 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

RS has the money though, those women probably not. Though it would be interesting to see them do a Tawana Brawley job on them and sue them, then garnish their wages for a life time if they can't pay.

[–][deleted] 160 points161 points162 points 10 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

To show the power this person has over the media, even after being proven a liar in an article about her lies, they still won't publish her full name. Folks that is some serious social power right there. Only major celebrities and politicians usually get that kind of power in the media.

[–]The_baboons_ass 148 points149 points150 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Her name is Jackie Coakley

[–]Vance87 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Her name is Jackie Coakley

[–]Electroverted 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Her name is Jackie Coakley

[–]Krissam 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His name is Robert Paulson?

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points57 points 10 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

Her full name is already known.

I kind of like that they redact her last name. The whole public shaming/witch hunting thing over stuff like this is one of the many things modern feminists tend to do/want that I can't stand about them. Jackie's real life friends and acquaintances are apparently turning on her and that is enough as far as I am concerned.

I believe anyone accused of a crime has the right to remain at least somewhat anonymous until their case is closed, and that includes false-rape accusers.

[–]The_baboons_ass 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

My girlfriend goes to UVA, she knows many of Jackie's friend and we have both driven to DC with one of the original guys in the story who supposedly tried to get her to not press charges because they wanted to rush. They've all turned on her. They say she's not all their which is unfortunate. Everyone at UVA hates her and she's left the school also. Turns out she's actually engaged now, poor guy probably bought her story hook line and sinker.

[–]WitBeer 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Damn, I would love to hear about this new guy and what would make someone want to be in the middle of this. Is he that hard up for female contact?

[–]Electroverted 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure she didn't manipulate him...

[–]bashar_speaks 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You say that as if men aren't specifically attracted to crazy.

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My guess? So she moves back home without finishing college due to this whole fiasco. I imagine she is working in retail. The husband is probably some mall store manager type who is hard up.

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She got married over this winter, I saw the pictures. Dunno if her husband knows about her background

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I am board with you about the keep the names anon till conviction, but the article had no problem naming everyone else involved that they had a name for EXCEPT her, imho, no matter what 'we must believe' so when in an article about her lying she still is allowed anon even though everyone else involved who are innocent are named.

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[–]bertreapot 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I really wish they would do this. Even if you don't get other false accusers to come forward, you can have witnesses testify that she has a reputation for making up stories. If no one even knows that she is pressing charges, then people who know she is up to no good can't testify about her.

There was a case out west where a guy was released after serving 10+ years in jail when they found out his accuser is a serial false rape accuser. Her other victims weren't able to come forward, because they had no idea that she was still accusing men of crimes they didn't commit. So there is real harm in leaving accusers' names anonymous.

[–]acelister 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Nobody who is fully named are accused of committing a crime. Well, except for the fictional one.

[–]Azothlike 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jackie is not accused of a crime.

She filed no police report. Lying is not a criminal matter.

Next justification.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

SO because they have not been accused of a crime they have no right to privacy. In the original story her 'friends' were accused of abandoning her and leaving her to own devices and IMHO probably worse than a crime.

[–]acelister 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If you wish to remain anonymous during an interview, usually you tell the interviewer.

[–]VicisSubsisto 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That only works if you're the one being interviewed.

[–]acelister 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"I think that began to become pretty clear maybe about a week after I had met her," said Duffin, in an interview with CBS 6 reporter Laura French.

This is what led me to believe they were being interviewed.

[–]VicisSubsisto 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They were not interviewed for the Rolling Stone article.

[–]acelister 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Which used pseudonyms as far as I can tell?

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I dunno, if I was still in college I'd want to know who she was so I could avoid going within 100' of her.

[–]foople 37 points38 points39 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's the argument for naming men accused of rape. The same argument works for any accusation of any kind. Until there's proof it's still best not to release the name.

[–]SchalaZeal01 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the article, it's claimed that she started working with police weeks after the alleged rape, and got her facts wrong and eventually stopped cooperating at all. Never pressed charges. That sounds like proof it's bogus.

[–]MC_AnselAdams 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But I thought it was proven that she lied about everything.

[–]MalibuStayZ 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's definitely true both ways. Let me put it like this: For all the great things the internet gave to us, it also had its downsides.

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[–]Krissam 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe we should fork PyCon instead of repos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure everyone at UVA knows her name.

[–]flyingwolf 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She falsely accused people of arguably one of the most heinous crimes.

She should be scorned, she should be ridiculed, there should be a witch hunt.

And she should face criminal charges.

[–]Drippety 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She put the lives of every man in that fraternity at risk. Their building was vandalized. Historically, men have routinely been lynched over false accusations of rape. If we are serious about "equality" we need to stop treating women like children. Feminists should be leading such campaigns, instead they are trying to eliminate female prisons entirely. It's scandalous.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The importance of three words: "Catfishing" and "Haven Monahan"

A lot of effort has been put into stuffing the UVA – Rolling Stone gang rape on broken glass hate hoax down the Memory Hole by making the scandal seem as boring and technical as imaginable: mistakes were made in following proper journalistic procedures. Nothing else to remember here, move along.

The key roadblock was to keep the words “catfishing” and “Haven Monahan” out of the public mind. If you understand how those two fit together, the story is hilarious: a super-girly girl, Jackie, catfishes a dream date “Haven Monahan” into digital existence to make a boy she likes, Ryan, jealous.

When that’s not working she makes up a story about Haven Monahan’s sexual assault. When that still doesn’t make Ryan fall in love with her, she switches back to having Haven send Ryan an email explaining why Ryan should fall in love with Jackie, cribbed from Dawson’s Creek and other romance shows for boy-crazy tween girls.

When that fails, Jackie slowly becomes aware over many months that if she can’t have Ryan, she can still have some of the attention she craves by portraying herself as a victim of campus rape culture. But of course she can’t call the police because she just made everything up. Dean Nicole Eramo recognizes that Jackie’s probably never going to talk to the police about her woozy story.

Eventually, Sabrina Rubin Erdely comes to town for Rolling Stone and between them they work up a doozy of a story. With publication, an actual Night of Broken Glass ensues with SJW vandals smashing the windows of the libeled fraternity house. Jackie then defends Dean Eramo when America’s feminists try to get the poor woman fired. It’s a complete fiasco, but nobody in the media seems to notice...

Transcribed: Haven Monahan's Glitch in the Matrix Email Proclaiming Jackie's Love for Ryan/"Randall"

Okay, so, now we know what happened.

A whole lot of people, however, are going to remember this story not as an utter hoax, but as a complicated situation in which the Rolling Stone reporter maybe messed up by violating some boring journalist protocol by not calling people to get their pro forma denials so that the whole thing could have been more of a He Said, She Said. The only thing that millions of people are going to remember is that Sabrina Rubin Erdely should have been a little more nuanced.

Here’s the latest eye-glazing thing published by the New York Times on the case (December 16th):

In all the hand-wringing about what Rolling Stone did or didn’t do right in the saga of the University of Virginia story, one unexamined question sticks out for me. Does the enforced anonymity around rape victims make journalism about rape inherently fraught? This is the subject of a smart piece by Geneva Overholser, former editor of The Des Moines Register who has gone on to many prestigious jobs in journalism and academia. She asks, trenchantly, “How do you size up a problem that’s largely hidden?” — Lydia Polgreen

So there’s a lot of hand-wringing about how on the one hand but on the other hand and it’s all inherently fraught and zzzzzzzzz …

No.

It is a complete hoax, one that gulled almost the entire media establishment for a dozen days. Why? Because they want to believe in Haven Monahan.

[–]Arby01 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they want to believe in Haven Monahan.

that linked article was awesome - and the best comment award from that page goes to:

I saw Haven Monahan work as a short order cook for Keyser Soze.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

dude seems a tad effeminate...

[–]Jacobtk 94 points95 points96 points 10 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

It will be interesting to see how feminists respond to this revelation. For the past year they have held to the assumption that something must have happened to Jackie. If the above article is true, then the entire story from beginning to end, including the rape claim, is false. There is no weaseling out of that. It would appear feminists simply bought the story because it sounded like what they wanted to hear.

[–]bertreapot 69 points70 points71 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They've moved on from insisting that something "must" have happened, to ignoring the whole issue as irrelevant. If you bring it up, they'll accuse you of detracting from the issues that real victims face, and that you are calling real victims liars.

[–]twerkingonsunshine 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone with half a brain knew she made the story up within a week of the article coming out, so they started getting outraged that nobody believed her story. It's like they don't even know that false accusations happen.

[–]90blacktsiawd 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you can't argue based on the facts just get really angry and start screaming at everybody. That always makes you look like the calm, collected, well informed individual that folks should listen too. /s

[–]Krissam 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Since when? Last I heard NOW was threatening title 9 claims agains UVa if they didn't drop their lawsuit.

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes now is backing Jackie. They have threatened UVa that if the Dean lady Rolling Stone defamed doesn't dropo her suit, then the school is in violation of title IX. But NOW wouldn't have standing to sue UVA itself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That seems... ironic

[–]drac07 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Facts don't change the narrative. Even if Jackie wasn't raped, we still need to act in order to prevent rapes like Jackie's from happening. Her story should be all the proof you need that this is a real and serious problem. /s

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[–]drac07 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I shouldn't have superscripted the s.

[–]issan1mountain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

did I misunderstand you?

[–]drac07 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was being sarcastic. :P

[–]issan1mountain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I see. Then I retract the response.

[–]its_yawn-eee 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/10/national-organization-for-women-defends-rolling-stone-gang-rape-fabricator/

Edit: one of the first links on Google.

Edit2: This is last month so not exactly what OP wanted.

[–]tprice1020 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit that was infuriating to read.

[–]lidsville76 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy fuck tits, those NOW bastards are off their rockers. Di they not see that the "victim" is doing more harm to the issue of rape than the Dean who is filling the suit?

[–]bertreapot 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism rule 1: always support the false rape accuser, no matter what.

[–]Jacobtk 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is from last month. I mean how will they react to the above article.

[–]its_yawn-eee 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm so sorry! I did check the date too and thought it said this month. I'm sick so that's my excuse.

[–]VicisSubsisto 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a few good words to say about NOW a few days ago, about their support for requiring women to enroll in SS.

I take them all back.

[–]Electroverted 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Their final card is usually that it raised awareness of rape, which is good. Sadly, they'll never understand that it actually hurt real rape victims. They can't see the big picture.

[–]Drippety 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesn't raise awareness of rape. It raises awareness of false rape accusations. The victims in these cases are men falsely accused of rape.

[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But they always spin it as "at least this raises awareness of rape." The other spin is "unfortunately, due to the scrutiny and horrible treatment the victim is facing, this will keep real rape victims from coming forward." That is the script they are using with the Jian Ghomeshi case right now.

[–]Mitthrawnuruodo1337 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If nothing else, she must have been traumatized at some point in the past, I guess? Don't worry, you can always find SOME way to blame a male nearby.

[–]baskandpurr 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

Why can't women just give it up? Do men play all these stupid games to get a girl and I just haven't noticed? Men have to take their knockbacks and move on. Sure, some of them whine about it for too long but I've never heard of a man deciding to get a girl back by making up crimes.

[–]bertreapot 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She is just nuts. She probably could have easily dated half of the men she met at UVa. But she wanted Ryan, probably cause he had no interest in her. If he'd actually gone out with her she probably would have lost interest on date 2.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo

[–]Drippety 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

She is just nuts.

I find it interesting how we almost invariably excuse female criminality with "mental health issues," whereas when men engage in criminal behaviour (regardless of mental health issues) we demand harsh punishment. If a man can be shown to be schizophrenic we will often treat him with empathy, but "he had a rough childhood" or "has a personality disorder" is usually not sufficient to let him off the hook.

[–]bertreapot 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, there was the recent quotes by David Cameron saying they should rethink criminal punishment for female inmates, because of the rough backgrounds they come from.

Umm, what about the rough backgrounds men come from? Is that not an excuse for bad behavior? I am sure a lot of criminal behavior doesn't come from a vacuum.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Screams "spoiled princess whose daddy got her everything she ever wanted." Probably the first time sometime told her no and didn't cave. I can just see the hamster wheel spinning....[he just doesn't know me. I will make him like me. He just has to see how desirable I am. If he thinks some intriguing foreign guy likes me, he will recognize my value........ok...that didn't work. if he sees that 5 members of the most popular frat wanted to fuck me, he will surely change his mind.

[–]Santaball 40 points41 points42 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Most women aren't used to the ideal of rejection. At least not as much as men are.

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[–]gchase723 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"It's time you learned what it means to be a man."

[–]squeak6666yw 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'll make a man out of youuuuuuuuu!!!

[–]192873982 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I like that song, so motivating.

[–]Mitschu 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a fascinating song, almost a gender political dogwhistle.

Women love it because it's so empowering, showing women that they are better at anything a man can do and (literally) in high heels.

Men love it because it bluntly celebrates what men actually are capable of and required to accomplish. Note that not a one male was kicked out for falling behind, not even the pacifist - just Mulan, and even then after multiple second chances. (The whole "You're unsuited for the rage of war..." part.)

Women see the woman climb a pole and outsmart her commanding officer all by herself, sticking it to the Man and all men in general.

Men see the camaraderie as all her peers collapse on her in fraternity, and how once she proved she wasn't an undue burden, they were willing to unquestioningly welcome her into the bonds of brotherhood and rely on and support her completely.

Women see Mulan drop kick a bigger, stronger man, and cheer for the girl power.

(Men probably were still cheering from that same man punching her full force in the face, into a tree. Say what you will about violent misogyny, but there's a certain visceral pleasure in seeing "equal rights, equal lefts" put into practice. He was just treating her like he would any other man - equal.) But then, once she kicks his ass, men also see how much all that training he gave her paid off, and the sincere proud smile he expresses when what started out the most pathetic member of his squad finally kicks his ass.

Even the least likable character, the old man constantly calling out Mulan's shenanigans for being a weak (wo)man, stood his ground unflinchingly when she blew up his tent scant seconds after he left it (so you know this man has seen some shit), and was the first to call the commander's attention to the least liked of the recruits being on the verge of passing out and needing someone to help. That's good leadership, right there. (Or is he just bossy? I can never remember nowadays.)

Hell, even the name of the song is a double meaning, either you can take it as her journey to become equal to men as a woman, or as her becoming a man literally, and thus being equal to men (or more precisely, equally invested in her manhood) all along.

Edit:

And "Girl Worth Fighting For". Just damn. These are men in incredible agony and fear, getting through it by thinking of motivation back home, why men always go out and fight in the first place (to protect those left behind)... with Mulan of course not getting it, but trying her best to contribute anyway... and at the very end of their merriment, like a scalpel in precision, a stark reminder of just what they're undertaking.

[–]SchalaZeal01 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice guys who get friendzoned rarely go to such lengths for a girl they pine for that doesn't return the attention. Very very rarely.

[–]bettygauge 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure she is just crazy

Source: woman, not crazy

[–]baskandpurr 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, this just happens to fit a pattern in my life lately. Women indicating interest and then getting annoyed that I don't start falling over myself to pursue them. I want to talk to them first, get to know something about them, but that seems to be taken as an insult. It's as if men aren't allowed to consider women as potential.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey... are you serious or not? I am just not here as a fuck buddy. Whats wrong? Are you scare of commitment? Dammit you need to commit NOW!

[–]bettygauge 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry to hear that, are you in college?

[–]baskandpurr 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, quite the opposite, 40's, two long term relationships. I know how to sort the good from the bad, that's why I want to check them out a bit first. The women vary in age, I get interest from women my age and girls much younger than I would consider for a relationship.

[–]BigOldNerd 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

get a girl back by making up crimes.

Guys have stalked girls which is extremely stupid. Guys do plenty of stupid/illegal stuff. Don't think any media outlet would stand behind a stalker though.

[–]Drippety 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women make up about half of stalkers but the male version is much more well known due to media portrayals. "Fatal Attraction" is one exception. Feminists condemned the film for "misogyny" while, disturbingly, some women saw the character as an example of "female empowerment."

The movie was remarkable in accurately portraying a certain kind of woman but what was really remarkable was the rapturous reception it got among women, who apparently approved of her behavior and considered her a “strong woman” (proving that they had no inkling of an idea of what strength actually is). Many criticized the film as stigmatizing mental illness and more unforgivably, showing a woman in a bad light, to the point that Susan Faludi considered the film a form of backlash against women’s progress, but out among the public the film and Close were received with rapture and the movie was such a financial success that it influenced a series of subsequent films.

Feminists criticized the film, but its reception among women in general was quite different. Close remembers practically being mobbed by admirers at one function. And that year as Close was going down the red carpet to the Oscars, she noticed:

“I was walking down the red carpet and all of a sudden there was a whole load of women with that hairstyle. Some had fake knives, too – made out of cardboard. I had my own little fan club!”

http://honeybadgerbrigade.com/2015/05/22/emma-sulkowitz-bunny-boiler/

[–]CornyHoosier 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you get asked out often by women? I don't.

If you aren't used to rejection it makes it harder to cope with rejection.

[–]baskandpurr 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Every so often there's a very direct approach but women won't ask. It places them in the less powerful position of chaser rather than chased. I mostly get flirting but I won't ask them until I know more about them and that seems to irritate them.

[–]the-tominator 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly correct. Some women will ask, but it seems really rare (have seen it occasionally). Flirting can get so obvious and extreme sometimes that it is nearly the same as asking someone out though. I think that is most women's way of asking someone, just to flirt increasingly obviously until the guy gets the hint. That seems to be what you're saying too.

But I do wonder how much women could actually benefit from asking sometimes. If you really like a guy and think you could have a great time together, then you could miss out on that by never asking - when the guy doesn't get the hint.

But I guess the unspoken rules of relationships prohibit this strongly and that comes above such considerations. For example, in nearly all vertebrates, the female gives some sign of interest/readiness, then the male gives some 'request' to the female (in the form of a display, a vocal call (most similar to humans), an activity like building a nest, or any combination). That's probably programmed into us to some degree too. A woman flirts (the sign of interest) and a man makes a request (asking out), sometimes after a display (also flirting). So maybe this is above even a societal thing and is something that most of us just do without even thinking about.

[–]dejour 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Ehh, Jackie is an unusual woman.

I think that crazy immoral women sometimes make up crimes.

But crazy immoral men sometimes do things like lock up women and keep them in a basement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Castro_kidnappings

Neither Ariel nor Jackie represent their gender.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I am curious , was Ariel Castro every held up as a victim by the MSM and touted as the new face of 'rape culture' by a major magazine.

[–]dejour 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

No, he wasn't.

I think there might be some miscommunication here.

[–]Drippety 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There are feminist fan pages devoted to Aileen Wuornos. No MRA fan pages for Ted Bundy, so far as I'm aware. The film "monster" was probably the most sympathetic portrayal of a serial killer in cinematic history, even though eg male serial killers like Edmund Kemper had even worse childhoods.

Not-so-fun fact: there have been hundreds of female serial killers in the US alone. Some of them killed dozens of babies, children or elderly people. Now tell me: when you hear the term "serial killer," what sex to you envision?

[–]dejour -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what your point is. You seem to be off on a tangent.

My point was that there are both (rare) men and women who won't take no for an answer from a prospective date. The poster I was replying to said that some women can't accept a no but he's never heard of a man who can't accept a no. I'm saying that both exist. Castro was an extreme example of a man who didn't accept no for an answer.

[–]dungone -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He was pointing out the irony in your concern troll. At least it comes off as a concern troll.

There were plenty of female serial killers, but you made the assumption that serial killers are a male phenomenon and offered it up as the male counterpart to a woman fabricating a story.

[–]dejour 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I didn't assume that serial killers are male.

What I did was think about famous examples of men not taking no for an answer and Castro was the first to came to mind. I'm having trouble thinking of a man who did the "Haven Monahan" thing. I'm sure one exists, but he's not necessarily famous.

My point wasn't that men are worse. My point to was refute the notion that men are always willing to take no for an answer.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure there are relevant examples of men acting like Jackie; but if you can't think of one, doesn't that mean that maybe you shouldn't make spurious comparisons?

A relevant comparison would tell you a lot more about the situation. For example, that women actually get away with this stuff. That they barely get a slap on the wrist for things which would put a man away for years. Or that when a man does it, the calls go out quickly that this is a "male behavior" and to condemn all men, or all men of a certain hated group (MRA's, blacks, Muslims, atheists, etc), but when a woman does it, the calls go out that it's "misogyny" to suggest anything of the sort.

[–]dejour -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

The issue is that the only reason why Jackie was newsworthy is because of the Rolling Stone stuff. If she had just pretended to be Haven Monahan we never would have heard from her.

I prefer to think men and women are equally capable of bad behavior unless presented with solid evidence to the contrary.

Jackie pretending to be Haven does not show that women are likely to act that way and men never do.

Maybe the Manti Te'o catfish thing would have been a better example of men playing games?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/manti-teo-hoaxer-tells-dr-phil-killed-fake/story?id=18367198

[–]192873982 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but what's the reason?

Killing a man is easy if he is unsuspecting, accusing a person of a crime is also easy, both don't require a physical advantage over the other person.

BUT locking a person up in your basement does require the strength advantage in most cases, that's why men probably do that much more often.

So stating that men keep prisoners in their basements more often is like saying men pee more often while standing. It's true, but only because it's much easier for them to accomplish.

And I don't think anyone has the opinion that Jackie represents her sex, why would any woman represent the whole womanhood. But there are some stupid women who defend her, even when it's clear that she just made it up and that she doesn't care for the consequences for the other person.

[–]Folamh3 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think people of either gender going to these sorts of extremes to attract the objects of their affection are decidedly rare.

[–]MasterBassion 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, some of them whine about it for too long but I've never heard of a man deciding to get a girl back by making up crimes.

No, but sometimes they jump straight to murder.

There's just some truly disturbed/shitty people out there.

[–]Tramm 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was thinking about the guy that tried to assassinate our president to win Jodie Foster over...

[–]MasterBassion 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another example of a disturbed individual. No single group of people owns a monopoly on mental illness.

[–]Tramm 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. But we'll go as far as trying to assassinate a President to get their attention...

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[–]callsyourcatugly 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So Gloria Steinem was wrong.

Been that way for YEARS

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is an interesting tactic. I guess I have heard of women going on dates with other guys in order to make a guy jealous. Making up gang rapes takes it to a whole new level.

I've also heard of girls fake pregnancies in order to get a man to commit, so, lying obviously is not beyond the pale.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Survey of women in the UK a few years back had half of them admitting they'd lie about birth control if they wanted to get pregnant.

[–]johnyann 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The most fucked up part of all was that the Feminist Media ran all over it and basically forced her into continuing this insane story.

I really hope this becomes a movie.

[–]Thadopist 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

poor guy

[–]amishbreakfast 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That movie Shattered Glass made me super uncomfortable all the way through and that was about a lying journalist's bullshit getting exposed. I don't know if I could handle a Jackie movie.

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those media outlets don't care that it wasn't true. True, false, built on lies, they don't care. They'll just tell you that somewhere, some woman is being raped so it doesn't matter. It's all valid.

[–]issan1mountain 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why exactly is it that only the victims faces are shown in this video? The way to deal with sociopaths like this is to put the world on notice.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, right? Still protecting her is silly. People need to know who she is so they can avoid her if they so choose. She put a chunk of this country in a tizzy over not only a lie, but one of the most damaging lies you can come up with. People have the right to know if someone has the mind set to potentially ruin a life, or many. It's half the fucking reason we have mug shots for fucks sake.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That headline made me think I was having a stroke.

How does one cry anything other than tears? How does a gang rape pretend to be a rapist? How is a boy awarded as a prize? Shouldn't fantasy be plural if there are hundreds of them?

[–]VicisSubsisto 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you were. The headline makes sense.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It was shit, whatever your opinion.

[–]VicisSubsisto 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It was grammatically correct, whatever your opinion.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Grammatic correctness is never the point. It did a piss poor job of communicating which is the only point when it comes to words.

Did you forget that language defines the rules, not the other way around?

[–]VicisSubsisto 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Communication must work at both ends. Most people here understood it. This suggests that the problem is with you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Communication must work at both ends

Correct, and exactly my point.

Most people here understood it.

As did I.

First you actually use grammar as a standard for a sentence being correct, then you shift gears to the absurdly low standard of something being understood regardless of effort.

You going to stick with this attempt, go back to your absurd grammar argument next or what? Or do you have character enough to admit your first point was ill made and your second is un-provable?

If you want, I can give you your next response... you can point out that I am setting you up with a false dichotomy. But I already have a response for that.

Tell you what, post something interesting that actually backs your point and I'll respond.

[–]VicisSubsisto 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell you what, post something interesting that actually backs your point and I'll respond.

NO U

You've acknowledged that the title was both clearly legible and grammatically correct, and (indirectly) that personal opinions are irrelevant to the debate. So basically, you've said that I'm right about everything here, just in the most hostile way possible. I can only conclude that either you're trolling, or there is a literal stick up your ass.

So no, I'm not going to continue with the argument you already have a response for.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6PZ623K6-0

[–]The_baboons_ass 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My girlfriend goes to UVA and she knows many of Jackie Coakley's former friends, who have all turned on her. I've even met one of the boys who supposedly wanted to cover it up because he wanted to rush. He's not in a fraternity. This whole ordeal went as bad as it could have for her. Within a month her story was debunked by authorities. All her friends knew it was her behind the story so they turned on her. She thought she would be a hero but turned into the ultimate villain. She's now left the school and is engaged to guy. I don't know what he could see in her. Take this with a grain of salt because this is second hand information. Supposedly she hated the school going in because she got into Brown, clearly an academically smart girl, but her Dad either couldn't afford it or wouldn't pay for it. So she resented the fact that she was forced to go to UVA. She hated it there and just didn't fit into UVA's culture, which I can see being very true because UVA has a very particular culture. It's not a bad thing, some people just don't fit in there. Living in northern VA I know a ton of kids who go there. Half think it's heaven on Earth, half think it's awful. Her first semester/year she struggled academically, wasn't making a lot of friends and gained a ton of weight. She found support in the campus's rape advocacy group and they became her friends. If you looked at her Tumblr (she had a Tumblr, shocker) before she deleted it, it read like a kinky girls rape fantasy. Some of her Rolling Stone story seemed like it came straight from there. The rape advocacy group sorta pushed her away because the rape supposedly happened years ago and she wasn't really willing to accuse anyone or file a report. She ended up losing more friends. Her story though was so bad, so awful to hear. Remember this girl said she was attacked, gang raped as a fraternity ritual, on a broken glass table. She was put in touch with the journalist who was writing a piece about campus rapes. Jackie's story was so horrendous it became the lead story which Jackie never wanted and it all blew up in her face.

[–]bertreapot 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Ryan Duffin is the most naive man of all time. I think I would have figured this was fishy when Haven kept on trying to talk about how awesome Ryan is, and although Haven was supposed to be texting a girl, kept saying crude things about hoping Jackie was easy. Guys aren't that stupid.

Actually I wouldn't have wasted my time texting some random dude for a female friend in the first place. "Good luck," I'd say. "None of my fucking business." There are reams of this shit. Don't college kids have classes to study for?

[–]RunawayGrain 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Thing is the attention is still being aimed at her, and not at the guy she stalked, and the unrelated guys in the frat that she threw under the bus. I would say they should publicly out her name to prevent other guys from getting near this obviously unstable woman, but the frat guys by all accounts had never been acquainted with her, and she just randomly targeted them.

[–]bertreapot 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

She just got married this winter. I wonder if her husband knows about all of this?

[–]captain_craptain 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He's probably a cuck

[–]lazydonovan 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I got $10US (because my dollar isn't worth anything right now) that says he's going to get falsely accused of domestic violence, lose his kids to the court system and just get royally screwed in what will probably be the inevitable divorce.

This woman just has "this was a bad idea" written all over her. (assuming that the woman mentioned is the jackie from the article.

[–]acelister 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

!remindme 4 years, get in on that action

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[–]captain_craptain 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Jackie Coakley and she is definitely hot, she's the kind of girl who has probably never been told no in her life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You've probably only seen the flattering picture of her. Others show that she's...rather large. She's no bridge troll but she probably wouldn't get a second look at UVA. There are a lot of very attractive women on that campus.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Smartest thing he did was to insist that a friend was present the night he "consoled" her after the rape. Had a friend not been there, she would have undoubtedly made advances on him ('just hold me') and then cry rape if he didnt acquiesce.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

is he interested in women at all?

[–]ElMorono 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jackie Coakley is a danger to society, and to men everywhere.

I'm obviously not a doctor or a lawyer, so I can't say whether she is mentally ill or just a criminal, but she deserves either a padded cell or a jail cell.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm obviously not a doctor or a lawyer

"You don't need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows" Bob Dylan

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am curious as to what she was like growing up. Was she making up outlandish stories all the time? Like if she wanted something from her dad, would she say girls at school ganged up on her? I'm just curious as to where the line between fantasy and reality is drawn in her head

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://unreddit.com/r/news/comments/4506ol/girl_who_cried_uva_gang_rape_pretended_to_be_her/

In case you wanted to see how desperate the mods are to censor her name

Jackie Coakley or something is a fucking liar

[–]wiseprogressivethink 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Literally a crazy bitch.

[–]mikesteane -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who? The guy she is engaged to?

[–]wiseprogressivethink 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh?

[–]notmyusualreddit 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I had an ex that told me she was being harassed anonymously via fake facebooks, emails, and texts from strange numbers. The texts were about me and her and how sluty I am and that she should watch out. It really seemed like they were from a crazed friend or coworker of mine.

Turns out it was all fake and she had used it to still have something to get my attention with after 3 years of being apart. I finally caught it by feeding a few different groups of friends, including her, fake stories. She then magically got texts about the vacation destination only she knew.

[–]ytf23 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're like Tyrion Lannister ferretingout the leak in the small council.

[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice. That was clever of him.

[–]shazbottled 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wheres the #I'mWithJackie tweets?!

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's like a tacky sitcom plot gone horribly, horribly wrong.

[–]bertreapot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The other Seinfeld pilot that just didn't test well with audiences

[–]RockFourFour 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Her name is Jackie Coakley. She's an incredibly dangerous woman and the fact that you don't have her name in the title is shameful. People need to know her name.

[–]vilefeildmouseswager 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You couldn't make this up b/c it iis bad writing

[–]chasemyers 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Was this the mattress girl?

[–]Hussar_SoulJacker 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why hasn't she been charged??

[–]Gryphoneer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life. Scooby Doo and the fake rape caper.

And a national fucking magazine fell for this heap of bullshit. That should tell you everything about how credible and reliable and unbiased the media is. Fuck them.

[–]Ovendice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We now have an extremely famous case that is without a doubt not just a complete fraud, but a textbook false rape accusation complete with an entire psychological profile to use as a reference in the future to begin to start understanding and educating the public about false rape accusations and why women make them. And should start being used by defense attorneys from now on.

Men aren't obsessed with rape, WOMEN are. Rape, rape, rape and more rape is all they can think about because it makes them feel attractive while simultaneously has endless applications for women to get what they want through manipulation.

It's TIME for the public to finally stop talking about a 'rape culture' and to now begin educating the public about the epidemic of false rape accusations and what they are and why women make them!

[–]Archibald_Andino 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this helps the UVa Dean's case against Rolling Stone. Their argument is going to be, "look at this utter bullshit from your star witness, are you seriously saying this didn't raise any red flags?"

[–]oldenvye6432 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess that clears it all up: Jackie Coakley was/is psychotic.

[+]Kyle_Fischer -8 points-7 points-6 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Below are some good tips I give to Servicemen, but they are also applicable to College life. I guess I could add, "If a woman wants you to act like a woman to text the man she's crushing on to gather information about her, then you should probably distance yourself from her because she has fabricated and is really the man you are texting while you are acting like the girl to get the made up man to she fabric...... **head just exploded** 1. Practice abstinence until marriage. In addition to minimize the chances you will be falsely accused, you won’t have to worry about STD’s or child support payments for 18 years. This is the best method of False Allegation Prevention or (“FAP”). There is nothing wrong with a little FAP, but if abstinence is not an option, then rules 2 – 12 are for you. 2. Don’t have sex until you’ve known a woman for at least 3 months, and do NOT get married after knowing a woman for less than 6 months. Sticking your penis into crazy is like playing Russian Roulette. Yeah, crazy women are great in bed, and initially, she might seem like she loves to do the things you do. She very well might have a personality disorder, which can be contained for a few months, but the cray cray will start seeping out; otherwise, she will spontaneously combust. If a woman can make it 6 months with you without you seeing “The Stranger,” like the Billy Joel song, then she might be a keeper. But, if she is trying to get you to get rid of your dog after you tell her you love her, refers to your lifelong friends who warn you about her as “frenemies,” stops eating meat because she is a vegetarian and you should be too, dammit, and stops doing all the things she told you she loved to do with you, then she is a dumper. Try to figure a way to get her to dump you, so she doesn’t feel scorned. 3. Don’t be a Jody with a woman who is married, engaged, or dating another person. When her significant other finds out you have been doing the horizontal bop with her, he will confront her and she might falsely accuse you of rape. Also, panel members don’t like a Jody. If you do get convicted, they will absolutely crunch your nuts. 4. Don’t engage in a MMF (multiple male [one] female) group sex/Chinese Finger Cuff/C’mon Ride the Train situation. First of all, that’s a bit too “Top Gun,” if you know what I mean; multiple women are fine, but why would you want to look at another naked man? Second, I challenge anyone to find a woman who is willing to take more than one guy at once who has not been drinking to the point of incoherency. Third, I challenge you to find a tipsy woman who is willing to engage in such debauchery who does not feel dirty the next day and regret it. Fourth, I challenge you to find a sober woman who is willing to engage in such debauchery perfectly sober, and not suffer from the cray-cray. There are so many reasons why this leads to a false allegation, so the best protection is to avoid it. 5. Don’t allow yourself to engage in intercourse with a drunk woman, even if she is begging for it. Yeah, she might be capable of consenting, but why risk hoping that you are acquitted at your Court-martial? Instead, let her fall asleep in your arms and wait until the next morning when she is sober. If she doesn’t want to fool around the next morning, then she is a woman who likes having lots of sex, but doesn’t want to do it sober, so she goes out to get drunk and have sex. There is a good chance she has the clap. 6. Don’t allow a woman to have sex with you on the first date, and absolutely do not have sex with a woman who you took home from a bar. These women have Daddy issues and are likely to suffer from the cray-cray. 7. If your sexual relationship is new, start sexual contact from her lips (the ones on her face) and work your way down. So, many cases I read about could have been avoided if the man knew how to make love to a woman. If you have never kissed a woman, then the first move you make should not be to stick your finger in her vagina…..particularly while she is sleeping. Exercise the baseball diamond rule: 1st base kissing, 2nd base boobies, 3d base oral, and home plate is intercourse. Mickey Mantle hit a lot of home runs, but did he still have to run the bases? Yes. He didn’t get to step on home plate without going to 1st, 2nd, and 3d base. It certainly would save time if you could just touch home plate, but that’s not the way it works in baseball and that is not the way it works in love. Make sure you tag each base in order. If you are taking too long getting there, she will tell you to speed up. Let her be your base coach. Never argue with your base coach about stopping. If she tells you to hold at second, don’t even think about going to third. Stay at second. If she changes her mind and waves you to go to third, then tell her it would be nice if she went to third on you. Also, it is wise to pause and look to see if the outfielder has the ball before advancing to the next base. You will know you have the green light because most likely your base coach will be screaming, “What’s the matter with you? Why are you stopping????” 8. Make sure she is 18. The UCMJ makes 16 legal, but it still isn’t moral. Plus, if she sexts you, then you have child porn on your phone. Not cool. If you are not sure of her age, take her to a restaurant and order her a glass of wine. The server will check her ID. If you are under 21, as well, and/or into girls 18-21, have an attorney run a background check on her to find out her birth date. I’ve found the, “Hey look at my license picture” to be a bit cliché when trying to find out a woman’s age. 9. Don’t date women who tell you about all the previous boyfriends/husbands who abused them. It’s simply just easier to exclude these women because it has to be one of two things, neither of which is good. Either (1) she is lying, which means when you two break up (and you will because she most likely has a borderline personality disorder), she will lie to her next boyfriend about you. You never know. She might get a boyfriend who wants to defend her honor, so he pulls a gun on you; or (2) she is not lying and every man she dates beats the crap out of her. Makes you wonder what she does to make them want to hit her. She’s probably annoying as crap, and if she wants to land on your carrier, your response should be, “Negative ghost rider, the pattern is full.” 10. If a woman says “stop/no/I don’t think we should be doing this” or any other derivation of these themes, then stop immediately. She either has a very good reason, or she does not want to appear too easy. If she has a good reason, then you will either get your nutsack ripped off or accused of rape if you continue. If it’s because she doesn’t want to appear easy and she is giving you a coy “Nooo,” then you stopping will absolutely eat her up inside. She will wonder what is wrong with her. Do you think she is not attractive? Seriously, the sun dress cowboy boots look has never, and I mean NEVER failed her. This move will make her try harder and give you clearer signals. 11. If she has placed you in the Friend Zone, then stay in the Friend Zone. Women are like cats. You know why they don’t make cat leashes? There isn't a market for them because you can’t make cats do something they don’t want to do. If they like you, then they will let you know. If you are in a woman’s friend zone, then the only way you are going to get out of the friend zone is for them to lead you out. Don’t try to lead your way out of the friend zone because you are liable to step on it. Plus, she might not say no because she is afraid of hurting your feelings, which doesn’t mean she consented to those who believe you need affirmative consent, or worse off she will say that she “froze.” If you attempt to get out of the friend zone, then you really have to tread lightly and obtain affirmative consent. If you make it out of the friend zone, then be prepared to be in a long term relationship. If you venture out of the friend zone for a booty call, then remember that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. See rule #2 above. 12. Don’t date a woman you have to save from her social circumstances. Find a strong woman who is the same rank or social status as you are. If you are going to date a stripper, bartender, or waitress with a 6 month old child, so you can get her out of that lifestyle or situation she has put herself in, then be prepared to buckle up for the rollercoaster your life will become. Women who constantly need saving likely have a victim mentality who will likely falsely accuse you of sexual assault due to cognitive dissonance. She has a lot to lose when you walk away because you are tired of her nonsense which explains a lot about her status in life, so she will threaten the crap out of you to keep you from abandoning her. Find a woman who makes you out punt your coverage. Gird your loins and be selective with whom you share your love life with.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

do NOT get married after knowing a woman for less than 6 months

Getting married at after knowing someone 7 months doesn't score much higher on the "good idea" scale than marrying after 1 week.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Try 5 years of being together, at least. And go without the piece of paper if you can. My parents were together 5 years before marrying, divorced after 20.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you can't stay together without being married, then getting married isn't going to magically make things wonderful.

I gotta say, I'm utterly and completely baffled that marriage as an institution still exists...its' an utter failure as a concept by any objective measurement you care to apply. Yet people still keep stepping up for it like "oh, that's just everyone ELSE, we're different"

[–]SchalaZeal01 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In Quebec province, we (French-origin Quebec people - original New France descendants - originally all Catholics) mostly abandoned marriage due to not being very religious (since right in 1960), and since this 'not very religious' current was over a generation long, now tradition is to not-marry.

[–]Arby01 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lern 2 white space

[–]lazydonovan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've read enough horror stories from servicemen (and I've talked to a few as well) that this is good advice. Very good advice.

[+]Misogynist002 -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

you couldn't make this up

7 CRAZY facts, you wouldn't believe #4!

Fuck off with the editorialized title you just make us look like idiots.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off with the editorialized title you just make us look like idiots.

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[–]Misogynist002 -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This sub is full of fucking retards

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We weren't full and then you showed up and now we are full

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