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UVA President admits she knew the Rolling Stone "rape" was a lie but she punished the fraternity anyway.

PierceHarlan

August 31, 2015
751 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/u.va.-president-blames-feds-for-response-to-rolling-stone-debacle/article/2571112
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Title UVA President admits she knew the Rolling Stone "rape" was a lie but she punished the fraternity anyway.
Author

PierceHarlan

Upvotes 751
Comments 73
Date August 31, 2015 4:42 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3j3qi1/uva_president_admits_she_knew_the_rolling_stone/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/uva-president-admits-she-knew-the-rolling-stone.972257
https://theredarchive.com/post/972257
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Comments

[–]Lethn 127 points128 points129 points 10 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

These shit heads never apologise for the damage they cause, I really think they deserve to be fired for that much cowardice. People like that who would rather save their own skins and stay silent shouldn't be in charge of other peoples' lives.

[–]sugar_free_haribo 53 points54 points55 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No apparently they did apologize...to Jackie.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 44 points45 points46 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Sorry people found out you lied. It must be rough out there."

[–]Raudskeggr 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Never waste an opportunity to hurt your political enemies. Even if they're the young minds you've been entrusted to educate .

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never waste an opportunity to hurt your political enemies. ESPECIALLY if they're the young minds you've been entrusted to educate.

There, made the correction for you. (Get whipped while they are young. They are easier to beat down and intimidate.)

[–]chocoboat 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's OK though, the damage was only caused to men, so it doesn't matter. It's not like a woman had to suffer or anything.

[–]BigAl265 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that, they deserve to be prosecuted and sued to into poverty. They knowingly destroyed somebody's life without cause, I say turnabout is fair play.

[–]RedditorJemi 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

These shit heads never apologise for the damage they cause, I really think they deserve to be fired for that much cowardice.

No, generally they don't. Apologizing can be construed as admitting fault. Of course they've admitted fault here while offering a lame excuse instead.

By the way, some of those students maligned by the university and the press are suing Rolling Stone.

I'd like to know why they're not suing the university as well, since the institution contributed to defamation by administering punishment to the fraternity.

[–]jubbergun 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apologizing can be construed as admitting fault.

That's what apology should be construed to be. There are two types of apologies. The first type is the sincere apology. You say you messed up and that you're sorry. The second type is the non-apology apology. You fake contrition and usually add some condescending nonsense like "I'm sorry you took it that way." Like most people, I prefer the sincere apology.

The problem isn't that apologizing is admitting you fell short. The problem is that as a society/government we don't give people an opportunity to admit fault/error and make amends for their error. Instead we discourage people from doing the right thing by punishing them harshly for doing the right thing.

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[–]ShutupPussy 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Who the hell agrees with these loony ideas? Brash posts like this only serve to make us seem out of touch and give us a bad name.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

How dare he express frustration!

Anyway, they will prove what they want to about us...see the mad max controversy

Edit: and btw, I think a shit load of people need to be fired if they knew about this

[–]Kyrile 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

mad max controversy

Sounds interesting, can you link me?

[–]plainwalk 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

First article

CNN Report

In short, Feminists (and CNN) equated the religiously-based, return-to-the-1800's-gender-norms Return of Kings with the MRA. This is despite the fact -- the documented fact -- that the MRA says this guy isn't associated with them and the Return of Kings says his group isn't part of the MRA. His site even has posted a number of articles calling MRA 'whiny', just like feminists do.

[–]Suitecake -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He isn't being criticized for his frustration; he's being criticized for his dumb, unreasonable idea.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's pretty obvious his idea is an exaggeration, but I admit, I can't read his mind...

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[–]CaptainNeeMoNoy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah cuz he's totally concern trolling, and not pointing out retardation.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He's doing both. He is more concerned with our "reputation" and other people agreeing with it than with the idea being dumb. The irony is that he is using an ad hominem and an argument towards consequence, which is inherently far more "retarded" than the original idea he criticized.

[–]FastFourierTerraform -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Relax. That's just echoing how the school decided to close down the frats for there to be time to root out the "rape culture"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree - for UVA and most universities. The fact is these so-called "sexual assault resource centers" are little more than false accusation factories that need to be shut down.

[–]DroogDim 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Un. F*cking. Believable.

I am incredulous that anyone has the moxie to behave in such a way. She utilized a false rape report to force the fraternity to sign an agreement it was under no obligation to sign, knowing that the report was false. She should be fired.

[+]ocasionallymisspeld -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So using an instument of deceit as a tool to compel honest conduct isn't the best tactic?

[–]lasciate 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

compel honest conduct

That analogy only holds if the fraternity is guilty and knows that it is guilty.

Who am I kidding? The analogy is totally facile because the situations are only comparable in the vaguest, most superficial interpretations.

[–]Electroverted 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Troll spotted

[–]Kyrile 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

to compel honest dishonest conduct isn't the best tactic?

Fixed that for you.

[–]AvgGuy101 61 points62 points63 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, I totally trust people like this to fairly judge my kids in campus sexual assault cases. /S

[–]HoundDogs 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I think you just need to keep your opinion to yourself and realize that it's better for us to punish your privileged children than make sure that actual truth and justice prevail. I'd hate for a guilty person to get off scot free so we'll be punishing everyone.

Welcome to the new world.

[–]cuteman 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thousands of years of jurisprudence evolution flipped on its head over fear mongering and Lisak's flawed bullshit.

[–]RedditorJemi 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd hate for a guilty person to get off scot free so we'll be punishing every man.

FTFY.

[–]Buffard43 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But it is not the 40th millennium yet.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

the idea that women are incapable of rationality is a load of bullshit. i hesitate to say it is backed by zero science not because that's not true but because i don't want to lend even a little legitimacy to the

this university president is a terrible person only interested in preserving their skin and reputation, but that is not statistically significant information to guide a perception of 'women' as a whole, and neither is the sum total of all anecdotal evidence you might have seen in /r/theredpill

[–]Kyrile -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you were an innocent man charged with rape and had a choice whether to face a female judge or male judge with all other things being equal, which would you choose?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Depends on the judges. There's more than enough male judges with ridiculous views on social gender roles to make me not automatically assume they'd be willing to grant me a neutral view.

[–]MrDoradus 49 points50 points51 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Talking about the issue with a person like she is would likely result in this dialogue:

Teresa: "My hands were tied, I am not to blame."

Reporter: "Why didn't you at least speak out about the injustice and suggested a change in the system?"

Teresa: "You're triggering me."

I can not even begin to imagine how it must feel to be falsely accused of rape, with the whole world, your family included, believing the accusations. Most people will never even stop believing this false accusation and still perceive the guys to be guilty. They will likely never completely lose the stigma assigned to them by a lunatic and feminist "reporters".

[–]comeatmepoe 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I am from the area. For the record, the school made clear from the start that they couldn't talk about the issue because of FERPA. The fraternities themselves suspended their activities in agreement with the administration.

[–]dungone 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

in agreement with the administration.

You lost me there. What was there to "agree" with if the administration wasn't scapegoating the frats? And what does agreeing to suspend activities for one weekend have to do with what actually happened, which was far worse?

[–]RockFourFour 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Ok, I'm going to hold this gun to your head and demand you give me your wallet. Do you agree to these terms?"

"Uhh...yes?"

[–]SilencingNarrative 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By word of mouth or in print?

[–]AcidJiles 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well then someone needed to have some balls to stand up even if it was against the law.

[–]CatManDontDo 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Duke LaCrosse is a prime example.

[–]SupremeAuthority 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please sue her into poverty.

[–]maxp0wah 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fucking love Ashe Schow!

[–]izomo 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was at the pro side of GG during SPJ Airplay, shes pretty badass.

[–]ocasionallymisspeld 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The frat boys need to sue the department of education.

[–]Sasha_ 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Demand her resignation immediately, and then demand all journalists reporting on campus submit to independent review. If they refuse this then the fraternity should claim possession of the university's structure and ownership.

[–]moration -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So? Toss free speech. Got it!

[–]Sasha_ 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell you what; you pick a famous celebrity and claim he/she raped you. Then find yourself sued for libel, then in court claim 'free speech' as a defence.

Do let me know how that works out for you.

[–]SilencingNarrative 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a prediction: She is lying. The FERPA did not prevent her from revealing the truth. She is using it as cover in an attempt to deflect calls for her resignation for her abject cowardice, and her disregard for the welfare of the innocent students she slandered.

[–]Tmomp 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why would you choose to work in education if you hate half the students for their sex?

If you're sexist, wouldn't you enjoy working at an all-women's institution or some other place where men's mere existence annoyed you?

[–]richardnorth 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Academic jobs are extremely cushy and full of benefits paid for by taxpayers. That's why she's there

[–]gggh0st 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They're also safe havens for feminazis and other pathological SJWs to not only spew their vitriol but also hang your future on soaking it up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And Feminazi's can't normally hold jobs in the 'real word' were you have to be profitable to be employed.

They can only hold positions were tenure protects them from being fired.

[–]MaestroLogical 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it's still the best environment to indoctrinate scores of impressionable young women (and a few lads)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of feminist type women choose to work in fields of formal social power precisely because they hate half the population.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you can get rid of them

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The lawsuit should be expanded to cover her as well. Sure seems like she implicates herself here.

[–]My_Dog_Jax 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's women like this that make me say out loud what everyone thought in their head. BIG. FAT. #$%&.

[–]inspiringpornstar 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's funny is that I'm sure they have classes on ethics, perhaps she should sit in on one.

[–]roharareddit 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just another spineless University administrator cowed by both the Obama Administration and the Department of Education trying to keep her job. They are legion.

[–]jb_trp 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By the way, some of those students maligned by the university and the press are suing Rolling Stone.

How can Haven Monahan file a lawsuit if he doesn't even exist? Of course this rape accusation was total bullshit. But still, the police and university did their jobs even though it was obviously false... Some "rape culture" we live in.

[–]eaton80 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope she gets held to the Harvard Larry Summers standard of accountability. I highly doubt this will happen though.

[–]loganparker420 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Next they will try to revoke the term "HuMAN"

[–]The_0bserver 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are there no calls for

  • Revoking the changes that did happen
  • Calls to get her fired

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

cunt

[–]RockFourFour 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's the perfect kind of person this word should be reserved for.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

big surprise she is obese and has short hair

[–]12124 -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

can you imagine the witch hunt that would have ensued if she had delayed doing anything at all to "gather evidence"? People were losing their minds about that article already. I think this speaks more about our rush to judgment as a society than anything else. Yeah it sucks what she did what was necessary to protect her organization and her job. Then she fought back after the initial uproar was over.

[–]dungone 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

As opposed to the witch hunt that actually took place, with school administrators handing out the pitchforks and torches?

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[–]PierceHarlan[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not punish until the facts prove punishment is deserved. That's what.

[–]darkshine05 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea.

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