Amanda Marcotte: filming what happens in your bedroom for legal protection violates "women's basic consent rights" (filming men is fine I guess) - r/MensRights should be shut down because someone suggested it. I think we can start referring to people like her as FAPs (False Accusation Proponents)

tiqr · 2015-07-15T13:26:08+00:00

Wow this person must have just done an intense workout to need to do all this streaching. "Let's see if we can connect MRA's to revenge porn." The more I see these people operate the more I am assured of the importance of our little discussions.

KickedToTheTop · 2015-07-15T12:47:39+00:00

In the UK it is perfectly legal to secretly film in your own bedroom. Provided the film is not used for a sexual purpose and only to protect yourself from a false rape claim no crime is committed. There is also a need to protect your property from intruders and theft. You could not show anyone the tape other than the Police and you would have to store the tape securely. You cannot use the tape for a sexual purpose.

The police film people being strip searched or using the toilet in custody cells in the USA and the UK. This is not porn since it is for a justified legal purpose. The police also film in female and male toilets to spot drug dealing again no crime is committed. If women did not make false allegations men would not need to secretly film.

NotRoosterTeeth · 2015-07-15T13:30:28+00:00

I love how she calls us inmature and in the next sentence calls us "fuck wits". Somehow she turned filming consent before, after or during sex with your partners permission into we want to rape women and use video of the sex against them.

This women is a fucking joke. Thanks for the archive so she can never act like she didn't say these things.

Ted8367 · 2015-07-15T14:35:25+00:00

revenge porn and violating someone’s privacy

Amanda has missed one essential detail: the recording is kept secret unless a false accusation is made. If it is secret, there can be no "porn", revenge or otherwise. And her claim about "privacy" is simply false. She has forgotten that there is another essential observer there - the man. He records the whole event too, in his memory. Thus there is no "privacy" anyway, unless the man's memory is incapacitated in some way; and as has been well explained to us, that would mean that the man had been raped.

ukreview · 2015-07-15T12:47:15+00:00

I would never condone lawbreaking, but (in theory) given the choice between getting into legal trouble for filming without consent and risking being the victim of a false rape accusation and knowing I can't prove a negative, I know which I would prefer.

dangerousopinions · 2015-07-15T14:10:29+00:00

It's a privacy right, and it only matters once the content has been used and certainly privacy rights are outweighed when the content becomes exculpatory evidence in a criminal trial. It's a weak argument.

eaton80 · 2015-07-15T15:31:06+00:00

Gawd, the comments at that site ... nothing but hate, hate, hate.

nick012000 · 2015-07-15T17:20:19+00:00

To be clear, much of the thread was a bunch of creepy men pretending they’re the real victims by dwelling on the imaginary threat of false accusation. Most of the “tips” are offered in utter bad faith, things like stop talking to women and stop hitting on women and stop creeping on drunk women. I believe they no more intend to do women a favor and leave us the fuck alone than they intend to cut off their testicles.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Amanda, but the MGTOWs actually do intend to entirely abandon women to their own devices. Have fun complaining about "where have all the good men gone?" when you're about to hit menopause and you're still lonely and single.

ThePigmanAgain · 2015-07-15T23:02:39+00:00

"a cesspool of misogynists who were never going to be happy with female leadership,"

Yes, misogynists who got riled up by the firing of a woman.

That's where i stopped reading. Of all the insane, prominent feminists on the net, Marcotte is the craziest. This is a woman who complains about the size of the wrists in "Frozen," for fuck's sake!

TechnoSam_Belpois · 2015-07-15T14:39:29+00:00

Can anyone outline "women's basic consent rights"? Who gave them those rights? Who enforces them? What is encompassed by them?

I agree it probably is against the law in some places to film without informing the other person. But as long as you inform them, it shouldn't matter.

DavidByron2 · 2015-07-15T15:39:25+00:00

Don't you mean False Accusation Apologist?

Trunk-Monkey · 2015-07-15T21:35:39+00:00

The push for affirmative consent ensures that video recording of sexual encounters is inevitable… proof of initial consent is already under attack since consent can be revoked at any time, and consent after the fact has been attacked with claims that we can’t judge how a woman might behave/react after a sexual assault… and that leaves proof of ongoing consent. There’s really only one way to provide that. Marcotte and her ilk are going to have to accept that THEY created this situation.

Besides, haven’t we already established that ‘nanny cams’ don’t violate anyone’s ‘basic consent rights’? This really isn’t any different.

_olas · 2015-07-15T15:21:51+00:00

Going through the comments on that article... it's amazing how few people there seem to have used Reddit. Even if people disagree with what is said on this sub, there really is a place for everyone on this site.

Jasperkr672 · 2015-07-15T19:51:04+00:00

Translation:

"wah wah people are discussing things I don't like so it should be banned"

How old is this woman again? How does she still have a job?

sillymod · 2015-07-15T21:20:07+00:00

She is free to come on to this subreddit and make a counter argument against such things.

Clearly she doesn't understand the concept of open discussion.

mochacola · 2015-07-16T02:15:15+00:00

"MRAs coaching each other to film women against their will"

What? When did that happen? Is she referring to jokes about men not being able to prove consent against false allegations?

2015-07-15T17:46:06+00:00

You just know shes going to be making false accusations about rape before you read it .

AloysiusC · 2015-07-16T06:57:10+00:00

With Marcotte I really often wonder if she isn't a troll. It's like she's trying to show the world that everything MRAs say about feminism is 100% true. Just one glance at almost any of her writing will turn up the most bigoted, sexist unapologetic misandry that would be hard to even parody.

Lethn · 2015-07-15T15:48:50+00:00

It's actually getting great how batshit insane these women are getting in their articles. There really is just something about men talking about equal rights for everybody that drives them absolutely mad and it's getting more funny now than worrying to watch because they can't even seem to think coherently and it shows in their writing.

DavidByron2 · 2015-07-15T15:37:50+00:00

Depends which state you are in as to laws on whether recording needs both parties consent.

http://www.vegress.com/index.php/can-i-record-calls-in-my-state

Of course arguably even though the evidence would be inadmissible, and even though it's a crime, as a man you'd be better off videoing anyway just on the hope that the prosecutor could be shamed into not prosecuting someone he knows without doubt is innocent, or someone he knows can prove their innocence in the court of public opinion.

But I don't know if the average young man can trust themselves not to do something stupid with those illegal videos in the even they are NOT later falsely accused of rape.

galtthedestroyer · 2015-07-15T14:29:50+00:00

I'm sorry. All I could think of was:

FAPs!? No they're the FAPs. We're the PFA.

Spli'ers!

cymrich · 2015-07-15T15:52:54+00:00

or false accusation apologists... false accusation culture is real!

icecow · 2015-07-16T05:49:03+00:00

I think FAP is a great idea, wish it wasn't coincidentally 'fap' though. In fact, I'm sure they can demonize the concept playing on the joke that all mra can do is fap.

chafedinksmut · 2015-07-16T11:28:11+00:00

STOP TRYING TO REMOVE MY POWER TO INCRIMINATE MEN WITH MY MERE ACCUSATION, SHITLORDS!!! /s

KickedToTheTop · 2015-07-15T12:32:50+00:00

Somebody needs to design an encrypted video recording software that can only be accessed by legal authorities in the event of a rape accusation. It would totally cut out this nonsense espoused by false-accusation proponents and enablers. What these nitwits don't realise is it would also provide strong incentives against committing rape in the first place, in particular if the software/cameras were installed in university dorms.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-07-15T22:57:58+00:00

Right... let's ignore Amanda for a second. Fuck her.

You've got to see why people might dislike the idea of sexual intercourse secretly being filmed. Even if the intention is purely to safeguard yourself... it gives men a power over the woman they sleep with, a power that they shouldn't have.

I know, women have undue power over the men they sleep with at certain colleges... but let's not fight injustice with more injustice.

Let's appeal to the best in people instead.

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