I think the solution to TRP and inceldom is for a person to have a consensual purely sexual encounter with a woman.

waffleznstuff30 · 2024-01-16T14:16:52+00:00

With women we were taught to find out own worth and build our self worth through other things besides relationships. That we are more than male validation. Which yes when you are young and kissless don't have boys pursuing you it makes you feel a certain way. And when you get older you realize men will fuck anything that moves and that it's cheap. So you separate your self worth and how you see yourself from the validation and attention you get from men. And focus on the quality of the person you would want to receive that kind of attention from.

Men have yet to do this, and it's to their own detriment. They still tack their worth as a man with how many women they can bed or have interested. Instead of focusing on themselves and thus spiral and fall into these traps. Why should we have to take one for the team so someone with their own issues may feel a little better about themselves but still ultimately will still feel shitty since it's fleeting. This is where men need their own self esteem movement and also need to build better community for each other. Unfortunately these spaces they have built are for bagging on women. But if they focus on other things they may have a more fulfilling existence

idiosyncrassy · 2024-01-16T14:43:29+00:00

Or how about develop empathy in your brain, instead of thinking with your dick all the time.

MVPSnacker · 2024-01-16T14:08:10+00:00

If physical attractiveness standards were higher for men than women, Jack Black wouldn’t be married and women wouldn’t be considered “old” after 30.

WWhiMM · 2024-01-16T15:37:39+00:00

It could depending on their particular mindset. I think it was in this podcast episode with Rachel O'Neill that I heard it explained that sexual conquest serves as a kind of social capital, like masculinity-capital. So, yea, if that's where his head is at and he isn't getting any, it's pretty devastating, devastating enough to sign up with any grifter who promises to fix it. I think you're right that it stems from a need for validation, but I'm not convinced it's exactly a need for validation from a woman, more like this ritual must be performed so he can see himself as a man and proclaim his manhood to others.
But, also, there are other ways to feel socially validated. It's silly to say a person should just look within, but it's not much better to say you're fine pinning your whole self-esteem on your sex life. Any context where a person feels valued can build up their self-esteem, not just sex. The problem for some people is they are so fixated on sex, they aren't able to feel valued in these other contexts. Imagine someone who is brushing off non-sexual validation that is raining down on them (because it is non-sexual); for them, a change in mindset could be much more helpful than getting laid.

Brilliant_Program_39 · 2024-01-16T16:24:17+00:00

"Most men don’t get that simply because standards are higher for men when it comes to physical attractiveness"

Sincerely it piss me off. Even if this is true, that doesn't change anything. I have never seen any incel saying shit like "well, the problem here is my poor jaw and chin so I will look for a surgery on it". No, instead they bitch on internet and try to shame women for their choices. Like, dude, if you believe is your looks, work on it and move on? Women do that all the time. They wax, they lose weight, they get their hair done, spend a ton of money on makeup, nails, skincare, plastic surgeries, etc. But it seems that you can't and won't do that stuff because after all "women's standards are too high" (but don't provide proof of that) so you don't even try.

ConsultJimMoriarty · 2024-01-16T19:14:46+00:00

Why would a woman want to do this with someone who only sees her as a human flesh light?

lordDandas · 2024-01-16T16:59:15+00:00

I don´t think so. Incels´ issues run deeper than just not having sex. Even if they did get sex, it wouldn´t change much.

Stargazer1919 · 2024-01-16T14:54:22+00:00

A lot of dudes put zero effort into their looks and they look like trolls. So obviously holding them to any sort of standard is gonna seem unfair to them.

You guys could never deal with the standards that women are held to since birth.

tromp-et · 2024-01-16T16:46:04+00:00

Or you could work on yourself to make yourself more valuable to women (education, career, social skills, hygiene, styling, mental health, exercise, etc etc) and try to get into an actual meaningful and mutually beneficial relationship with a woman. Why a purely sexual encounter?

TelevisionGloomy5458 · 2024-01-16T19:00:00+00:00

OP is wanting free “consensual” pity sex from a woman? What’s in it for her? Why not just fork over the cash money and pay a prostitute? Women don’t owe you their most precious possession, their body. The cost of sex is too great for women to just have hookup sex (the risk STDs, murder, and pregnancy and dying during pregnancy and delivery and postpartum). Then about 20-25 percent of women ever collect child support from the dead beat dad. Let’s normalize having long term relationships and not hook up sex.

Do men really want hookup sex or what OP describes as “pity sex”?

Sex isn’t “free” to women and why on earth would a woman give her body away to any man and get zero in return?

What does the woman get for this act of charity?

foryoursafety · 2024-01-16T21:20:15+00:00

Omg

Thinking women are the cause and/or solution to your/male problems is why guys are in this predicament in the first place.

Work on yourself!

Brilliant_Program_39 · 2024-01-16T16:14:59+00:00

"Most men don’t get that simply because standards are higher for men when it comes to physical attractiveness"

Proof of that?

"I think getting this validation and having one woman appreciate him as a purely sexual being and being seen as attractive to her would help exponentially"

I highly doubt it since I have talked to blackpillers on the topic and they are like "it doesn't matter if a woman suck my dick every week if they love Chad in the deep of their heart". I'm not joking. They have a high standard when it comes to sexual desire. If a woman doesn't want to fuck them instantly and views them as purely sexual beings then is not worth it.

gini_luxe · 2024-01-16T23:48:27+00:00

Once again: women are NOT just walking holes that owe penis folk anything.

Quo_Usque · 2024-01-16T20:03:11+00:00

The standards of beauty are not higher for men. And most of the validation that women get comes from other women, not from men. Men don’t need to feel desired by a woman, man need to be better friends to each other and validate each other.

tawny-she-wolf · 2024-01-16T20:48:32+00:00

Again, it's not women's jobs to fix men or incels. For free no less.

They'd have to actually be attractive for a woman to sexually desire them and usually their personality is a major turn off if the BO doesn't run them off.

Allusionator · 2024-01-16T21:47:52+00:00

Think they’re unattractive AND they’re judgmental. It’s not the lack of validation it’s the harsh self-judgement. RP feeds them by feeding the insecurity first, promising the self-improvement later but it never delivers. If they were attractive their otherwise unchanged values would still make them jerks just jerks who have sex and therefore have more bravado on top of their deep insecurity about meeting whatever flawed notion of masculinity they’d built up. The total problem is about being judgmental, viewing life/love as a contest/conquest, and all that branch fragile ego boy nonsense.

Top_Radio_9436 · 2024-01-16T23:13:06+00:00

The problem is that the TRP/incel views often preclude sex because of the lack of basic trust and respect these men show toward women. The risks associated with casual sex for women when compared to men are higher and most women are aware of this (often from first-hand experience). Not many woman would actually feel comfortable being intimate or vulnerable with a man who has those views on women. It's not like things these guys think, say and do actually make women feel sexy.

Either way, most women have been told they’re beautiful and have had someone make them feel beautiful.

Yea, but women who aren't naive must know that shitty guys will frequently use this kind of generic flattery to manipulate them into sex. I know girls who are very skeptical of that shit from having this happen a few times.

bluemagex2517 · 2024-01-17T10:09:18+00:00

You want a contradiction. If women would consent to purely sexual encounters with these men, they'd already be having sex with them.

You're basically saying: "you know these guys who women don't want to have sex with, they'd be different if women wanted to have sex with them." Yeah... of course, but that's absolutely meaningless.

Women don't want to have sex with them. That's their whole thing. Your solution is for women to consent to something they've already made clear they don't consent to. It makes zero sense.

If getting women to consent to be with these guys will help them, then the guys need to change such that some women will change their mind.

Most of the time this can be accomplished simply the guy learning to be fun to be around for a subset of women. Most of these incel dudes are OK looking, not amazing handsome but not incredibly ugly.

Women don't have higher standards than men for looks, but they do have higher standards for personableness (if the guy isn't ultra attractive.) All these incels are basically mad that they weren't born so ridiculously attractive that women would ignore their lack of social skills. Instead of just developing social skills like the rest of us average or worse looking guys.

The truth is that the majority of guys get into relationships and/or have some casual sex. A slim minority are just very attractive. But, the rest are just enjoyable to be around for the women they're with. The incels need to do what the rest of the not exceptionally attractive dudes are doing, instead of sitting around being jealous of that slim minority of exceptionally attractive dudes, develop some better social skills.

MyCatNeedsShoes · 2024-01-17T11:23:34+00:00

If every incel somehow got a girlfriend, the net violence in the world would only go up. Because guys who think like this are violent to their girlfriends. It's not their singleness that's dangerous; it's the way they think about women

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l00ks-p1lled · 2024-01-16T17:28:34+00:00

I agree, sexless men want to be objectified and be lusted after

however it is difficult to meet women that genuinely finds you attractive

FellasImSorry · 2024-01-16T21:53:30+00:00

Standards for physical attractiveness are not higher for men.

I’m not sure where this idea comes from but it’s pretty dumb. Objectively, it can’t be determined, but my personal experience is that women are very forgiving when it comes to looks. As long as you’re a semi functional, halfway charming person, looks are not a factor.

eatfleshdrinkblood · 2024-01-16T18:45:22+00:00

It wouldn’t help me without everything, but it would help me somewhat ngl. it’s hard for me to imagine any woman finding me attractive or even wanting anything to do with me.

annoying_chocolate · 2024-01-17T07:20:27+00:00

Most men don’t get that simply because standards are higher for men when it comes to physical attractiveness

Seriously ?? In which world do you live ? Is this a troll ? Or you're just out of your mind ?

Idontknowwhtvr · 2024-01-18T17:02:12+00:00

Or these men could simply try to work through their issues and insecurities on their own as women do ALL THE TIME (in a world that critiques every single thing they are/aren‘t doing) Nobody owes you anything. Even if standards for male attractiveness were higher (haha are you joking?). As a woman: sex will never give you the validation you are looking for. It might be slightly (!) different for men but sure you feel great for like 5min and then you move on. If you are a very insecure person external validation will NEVER have a lasting effect. This entitlement to things and women is imo the root cause of RP/incels

Banme_ur_Gay · 2024-01-16T14:31:41+00:00

Too true. unfortunately most wont see it that way

grown_folks_talkin · 2024-01-17T00:33:44+00:00

Yeah it basically checks out. I had just enough of this kind of attention to keep me from going down the rabbit hole of TRP-equivalent stuff 25 years ago.

I had buddies who did go that route and it was really the only difference between us at that time.

Safinated · 2024-01-17T01:08:26+00:00

Ok, so how do you make an unattractive man purely sexually attractive to women ?

MechanicHopeful4096 · 2024-01-17T03:24:47+00:00

No one woman will ever solve your problems. Stop expecting women, or anybody for that matter, to bear the weight of curing you.

Its not anybody’s job except yours. Stop viewing us as some bang maid willing to essentially be your therapist.

SilverTango · 2024-01-20T19:38:22+00:00

You are trying to foist an external solution to an internal problem.

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