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According to the census bureau, one in five men between the ages of 25 to 34 are living with their parents. Only one in ten women in this age bracket are in this situation.

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Title	According to the census bureau, one in five men between the ages of 25 to 34 are living with their parents. Only one in ten women in this age bracket are in this situation.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	423
Comments	161
Date	December 22, 2013 1:36 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1tgje3/according_to_the_census_bureau_one_in_five_men/
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Obamacare is a huge transfer of wealth from men to women. link
Marriage can be argued is now just a transfer of wealth from men to women. Divorce laws heavily favoring women. (chlid support, alimony). How many high profile celebrity men have you heard of that have made millionaires out of there former waitress and babysitter wives?
Even without divorcing, women end up controlling the money. "At home, the majority of women (90 percent) still control the family's purse strings, from stocking up on household items to having the final say on home and car purchases and health care." link
Women now control holding 60 percent of all personal wealth and 51 percent of all stocks in the U.S., according to Virginia Tech. Click above link for sources.
The largest wealth transfer in history is about to take place as the Baby Boomers age. Because women generally outlive their husbands, the family assets will become concentrated in the hands of Boomer women.
25% Fewer Men Than Women Graduate College. Wealth will shift as women start to take up most of the higher paying jobs. link
Welfare and other assisstance. "The relationship of women to the welfare state hardly needs documenting. Women with children are the overwhelming majority among the beneficiaries of the main "means tested" income maintenance programs, such as AFDC, food stamps, and Medicaid.." (Piven, 25)-Francis Fox Piven. link 67 percent of every tax dollar now becomes "transfer payments".

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There's likely many factors at play. Obviously higher rates of women graduating college play a role, but there's also things like child support and TANF. In most states childless poor people qualify for very little assistance from the government. Often The only way to get a modest amount of assistance is to have a baby, which gives you more access to some direct cash support, WIC, and subsidized housing. Considering the vast majority of single people with primary custody of a child are relatively young women it seems pretty obvious they would be receiving more of those benefits. I would bet a sizable percentage of poor single mothers live in some form of subsidized housing that far outpaces poor single men.

Its also probable that a higher percentage of low income women are living with more financially secure (often older) men. Some low income men find financially secure girlfriends to live with, but I doubt it's even close to a 1 to 1 ratio. A lot of poor women are probably living with more financially secure men, while more poor men are left with their only option being living with their parents. Furthermore some of these women end up receiving child support from the older financially secure men they were dating.

I'm sure there's also a multitude of other variables that should be taken into account. Young men have considerably higher rates of addiction and many of these people are probably living with mom or dad. There's also the fact that men have considerably higher rates of some serious psychiatric illnesses like schizophrenia which would make it very difficult for them to support themselves.

I'm a recovering drug addict and have been close friends with numerous people who work at and run drug treatment centers. Almost all will tell you that women addicts are harder to treat, because they often have access to more enablers. Addicts that are young women can often jump from guy to guy during their addiction.

Some of these guys are just good intentioned people who don't realize they are enabling their addiction, but others are people like small time drug dealers who can give the girls a place to live and keep them in supply of drugs. Even if these girls finally run out of guys that will take them in the ones in their twenties almost always have the final option of straight up prostitution to support their addiction. Prostitution can often give them enough to find some bed to sleep in and support their addiction.

There's really just so many factors that could be play at here. I know studies in the past have shown that men are over represented in the extremes of IQ. This means that more men are at the highest IQ ranges, but also that considerably more men are at the very bottom range in IQ. Obviously being extremely mentally deficient is going to make supporting yourself harder.

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It's funny when feminists claim that being a housewife is a hard job.

Betty Friedan (a second wave feminist who I have a lot of respect for) basically said that women allow the work of a housewife to expand until it fills their entire life. If a man is a househusband, he does all the tasks that needs to be done and can then relax for the rest of the time. Her argument was that being a housewife was so unfulfilling that women were making it far harder and labour intensive than it needed to be and that many women were depressed and alcoholic because they were bored. That was the justification for arguing that women should be allowed to work outside the home like men. And that makes sense to me.

Now half a century later we have post-3rd wave feminism telling us that actually the 2nd wave feminists were wrong and that housewiving is really hard? I'm calling bullshit.

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I don't know how directly this relates to your point--not really an agree or disagree, maybe more at right angles to it--but I work in education, and have been working on acquiring a decent house-husband skillset since I got engaged to an orthopedic surgeon recently. I've come to the conclusion that domestic work is very much like teaching. As a job, it's incredibly easy to do, but it is equally incredibly difficult to do well.

So when Friedan was writing, household appliances had just given financially secure white women the free time to get bored and start 2nd wave feminism. However, using the time-saving benefits of the industrialized west are not without some trade-offs. It's one thing to feed the kids by heating up food you've taken out of the freezer. It's quite another to study nutrition and culinary science, to figure out how many taste buds the kids have at any given age and how that affects their palates, how to short-circuit bitter taste buds with salt because humans can't taste bitter and salt at the same time, how to prime their palates so they don't develop into picky eaters, and have a taste for healthy food. Then again, you've got to know what needs to be bought organic, what can be conventional, and then you need to develop the skill to bring all that knowledge together to cook the stuff into something nutritious and tasty.

It's the same story with parenting. You can go on instinct and what you saw your parents do with you, or you can try to understand child psychology and so on so you can more effectively educate your kids about all aspects of the world so they stand a better chance of not having to move back in when they're 25.

That said, a lot of the effort I'm expending right now is chewing through learning curve because I have basically no cultural support for this stuff. I think it's going to be a fairly substantial time commitment until I figure everything out and both the kids go into school, and from then on I expect I'll be able to organize everything that needs doing into a part time thing and spend the rest of my time writing or teaching.

So is domestic work "hard"? Eh... depends on how you define it.

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