Attorney destroys the false rape graphic

Bobsutan · 2013-01-10T17:49:41+00:00

The biggest revelation IMO is that 25% of the accused are excluded by DNA evidence. That's 1 in 4 who have a rape claim brought to the police against them.

McFeely_Smackup · 2013-01-10T17:51:02+00:00

The author of the graphic seems to be trying to make a point that a out of a vast number of rapes, only a small percentage are reported, even fewer see justice, and false rape is an insignificant number.

It seems that even a cursory amount of thought should reveal that if a small number of rapes are reported to police, then only a small number of "false" rapes are reported as well. How many "If you don't do 'x' I'll say you raped me" resulted in someone "doing 'x'", giving in to the blackmail? That seems to be missing from the graphic.

Also, missing is a definition of rape. Is the author talking about stranger rapes in dark alleys? Or a more typically feminist definition of rape that includes regretting last nights decisions?

SenorSpicyBeans · 2013-01-10T17:21:39+00:00

I love the continual assertion throught the article of, "but don't take my word for it. Do some research yourself!"

dinky_hawker · 2013-01-10T15:33:50+00:00

No links, nothing. We have to trust Beaulieu that this is what the statistics show.

that is incorrect. I looked at her links and discussed them:

http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1651ly/simple_but_powerful_the_truth_about_false_rape/c7su91j

RedditBlueit · 2013-01-10T20:47:04+00:00

The biggest lie on the graphic:

The author assumes a 2% false accusation rate, but multiplies it by the "10% of rapes are reported" rate, giving a .2% false accusation rate - 2 out of 1000. Dishonest or stupid? You be the judge.

Given that other sources list a rate of 5 - 8% false allegations for reported rapes, there should be a minimum of 50 icons labeled "falsely accused".

SharkSpider · 2013-01-10T20:38:35+00:00

I think a big thing to note about these findings is that the "25% of the accused excluded by DNA evidence" do NOT constitute "proven false reports" but rather "reports that resulted in acquittal of the accused". Kudos to the author for recognizing this as well.

I really think it's disingenuous to talk about the exact rate of false reporting because that's perjury, which is the hardest thing in the damn world to prove. It's not a productive discussion for anyone.

Instead, we should be supporting the reality that it does happen, we don't know exactly how much but sometimes it does and sometimes the person on trial is not guilty, and therfore we must let the evidence lead the way.

Further, to protect both victim and potentially not guilty accused, we shouldn't be releasing people's names to anyone outside the legal system before their trials are brought to court by a grand jury (which today would signify presence of some amount of evidence).

Today our system has excellent protective measures in place for the accused in felony cases. There's no reason to disassemble them, and few to no rape victim advocacy groups support this. Rather they seek an environment where reporting is less difficult which is to be commended. That we still protect the accused in an appropriate manner is not impossible to combine with this.

And that the infographic--or really that ANY infographic--is a load designed mostly for PR purposes was practically a given. When is the last time a complex issue could be accurately presented in a quick and easy-to-process way?

cuteman · 2013-01-10T19:27:33+00:00

Aside from the body of the article I also learned a new word.

Victimocrat! I like this better than puesdo victim.

kentuckycocktail · 2013-01-11T00:46:27+00:00

And all the people on the graphic are men… sigh.

7wap · 2013-01-10T19:20:27+00:00

You forgot to post this somewhere people will actually see it.

On that note, click "other discussions" and upvote as appropriate.

2013-01-10T23:42:25+00:00

tags: math is hard

Saerain · 2013-01-11T00:16:50+00:00

We need a Venn diagram up in here. Let me give it a shot.

2013-01-10T15:56:30+00:00

Good article.

DorkJedi · 2013-01-11T01:28:10+00:00

The irony of presenting false accusations about the frequency of false accusations.

giegerwasright · 2013-01-11T02:45:24+00:00

Logic is triggering! Me wantee my fee shit!!! How dare you!!! All rape accusations are legitimate rape accusations!!!

unexpecteditem · 2013-01-11T02:50:17+00:00

Yep. Destroyed!

markwbennett · 2013-01-11T01:11:19+00:00

false rape allegation is commonly made right after a controlling, possibly dangerous, boyfriend discovers what appears to him to be infidelity

TIL false accusations are commonly caused by scumbag dangerous men.

2013-01-10T16:13:36+00:00

How Are American gender-feminists going to continue to "Inflame" their way to Empowerment, if one neuters there Inflammatory Empowerment rhetoric??

2013-01-10T20:36:40+00:00

If federal dollars were used to fund the making of this faulty and inflammatory graph, than isn't that unconstitutional???

I believe the US constitution is very clear on this, federal dollars can not be used to discriminate.

vishtr · 2013-01-10T22:27:48+00:00

victimocrats

Is this a jab at democrats? Way to alienate supporters.

Estephe · 2013-01-10T14:22:19+00:00

All feminists are false accusers in a broad sense. The very foundation of feminist ideology (cultural marxism) is composed of false accusations: "herstory" (a falsified history of mankind). With this general false accusation as a foundation they can go on and make up personal lies and embellishments.

Kalikopia · 2013-01-10T19:17:14+00:00

The false rape allegation is commonly made right after a controlling, possibly dangerous, boyfriend discovers what appears to him to be infidelity. It's a sick, twisted, impulsive way for a person to get out of trouble, and the person who would make such an allegation doesn't spend a lot of time beforehand considering where the allegation is going to go.

Obviously [citation needed] but basically you're saying there needs to be a better safer way for women to get away from controlling dangerous boyfriends when things go awry and that this is somehow an act of desperation?

I wouldn't call them sluts, but there are a whole lot of liars in the world, and once they've told that particular lie it is hard to take it back.

Sluts, WTF? Where did that come from?

Since I am not claiming objectivity, I invite you to measure that against your experience of human beings and of the world.

Haha so the burden of proof is on us then, are you fucking kidding me?

Title	Attorney destroys the false rape graphic
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	549
Comments	109
Date	January 10, 2013 1:13 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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