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[–]MotherFuckin-Oedipus122 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"The scale doesn't have numbers on it. It just says R-E-K-T."
[–]Ultramegasaurus100 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Weight and height are not even equivalent. Height is an arbitrary factor that has no (strong) impact on health or character. It cannot be influenced.
Weight is a factor that has health repercussions and can be a sign of character traits such as self-indulgence, lack of willpower and carelessness. It's 100% fixable.
So, it's even more ludicrous of feminists and "fat activists" to suggest having weight preferences is sexist, superficial, oppressive, etc. while height preferences are perfectly fine.
Besides, last time I checked, women were not so keen about fat men either.
[–]Pubesauce10 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Weight and height are not even equivalent.
Agreed. One you can change, the other you cannot.
Height is an arbitrary factor that has no (strong) impact on health
That's true until you get to the extremes of either end.
or character.
I wouldn't agree with this at all. Your height, as a male especially, will likely play a huge role in the development of your character. Tall men are viewed in a much more positive light than short men. I'd imagine most tall men won't ever factor in the advantages that their height has given them both professionally and romantically (because acknowledging that advantage would mean it wasn't all charisma and skill that made them successful) but let me tell you as a below average height man - it makes a rather large impact on your character.
Cue the throngs of people citing exceptions to the rule as if it disproves the rule..... yes, I know, you all have that one short friend that is filthy rich and has to beat women off with a stick. That guy is not the standard short man. He is an anomaly.
Tall men are naturally viewed as leaders. They are also by default starting from a more attractive point with women (a short guy with an average face and a tall guy with an average face will experience a very different dating scene). These things help mold that man as he grows up, likely instilling confidence in himself and his ambitions, which only snowballs into a more confident person as he gets more successful. Which then makes him more attractive to women both because of his confidence and success.
I'm not saying there aren't short men out there living in a high rise and turning down women left and right, but let's be honest. Being tall as a man has a huge impact on how people view you. Being short is something you have to compensate for with either greater skill in a profession or greater charisma or resources in the dating world.
And yes, I know there are tall men out there who have failed at life. And no, I'm not looking for advice, just adding my perspective as a short guy.
[–]pvtfish2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Is this woman therefore nitpicking about aspects you can't change in a person (height?) and offended about things that have the ability to change over time?
[–]Furah5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Their weight could be from muscles.
[–]Revoran-10 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Weight isn't always 100% fixable. Other than that your point stands.
[–]Mel_Gibsons_Sanity23 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As a shorter man... thank you for saying this
[–]PacoBedejo5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As a 6'-3", 325 lb. man with a bad memory...what were we talking about again?
[–]double-happiness11 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
For what it's worth, a neutral way of asking the same question would be 'what height are you'? I don't think that's prejudicial against short people!
[–]xNOM63 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't think short men sense much of a difference there.
[–]ElfmanLV25 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Okay fine, "What weight are you?".
[–]Dreambeast5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I prefer asking "What IQ are you?".
[–]bennejam0005 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I find intelligence attractive. This comment for the win.
[–]Revoran4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Except that IQ scores aren't always a reliable measure of intelligence (and how do you define intelligence anyway).
[–]Imadurr1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You must mean; "What IQ is you?"
[–]Technician909 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Would have been better if you used this picture for a point of comparison instead
http://imgur.com/ibWp9q6
[–]zomgitsduke14 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ya know what, she might be beautiful, but I'm not attracted to her. Simple as that.
[–]shreddinsven1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
She very well might be. Except she isn't.
[–]ThatOneGuy129413 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Imagine the outrage if a guy with roughly the same body did the same thing.
[–]compoundbreak7912 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Das nasty.
[–]Hibria7 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Wow that was awesome, REKT
[–]upsidedownie4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I've got so much respect for this, it was all done so smoothly! And you didn't insult or degrade, you merely asked. Nicely dpne. And as /u/ultramegasaurus stated, height is something that cannot be changed, it's all about genes (basically luck), weight is something that is caused by a lack of self discipline, laziness and self-indulgence. There is one that is statistically shown to cause millions of deaths, billions of £/$ every YEAR treating, where all that's needed is 'Ah, I'll pass on macaroni cheese with a burger side and a block of cheese for desert.' And maybe 'I'm guna walk to the shops, not take the car.'
I've got nothing but disdain for people with unhealthy lifestyles, I'm by no means fit as can be, but I do not endanger my health and life every time I decide to have dinner.
[–]snupher-1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You are forgetting that weight has been proven to come from genes as well. Sure someone could change what they eat, but the need to eat is as genetic as height.
[–]upsidedownie3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I understand that maybe genes could make it easier to gain fat, but I don't think that genes effect the mental side. When a 'larger' person looks down and can't see their feet, they can't think 'well, that's the genes, I can't do anything to fix that'. And if they do think that, they're cowards. Scared to take their health into their own hands and instead give up because of their genes. I'm not saying that genes don't have an impact, not at all, I'm saying that ultimately genes don't make a person (technically they DO) but that the decisions we make and the way that we live makes a bigger impact.
Lets say you personally KNEW that your genes make it easier for you to gain fat, what would YOU do? Eat unhealthily and never exercise? Or eat healthily (which is still tasty as can be) and go for a run?
You said that the need to eat is genetic, is the need to eat unhealthily genetic?
[–][deleted]3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
When I was on plenty of fish I lost fourty pounds from when I signed up and then when I posted my new photos women said I was too skinny
[–]Mitthrawnuruodo13372 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Wait for a response before accusing of double standards. It's best to let the person expose their own standards in their own words. I mean, it's pretty obvious here, but it's more effective if you get her to admit she simply finds taller men attractive.
EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION TO STOP THE DOWNVOTE BRIGADE: I'm just trying to suggest how to make this more effective next time, people, I'm not saying the OP was wrong.
[–]imkindofalady-1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not really. You could probably ask her what her height is back and she'd answer like it was no big deal. Weight is more intimate a detail for either gender to share. I didn't get this.
[–]The_Punniest-3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
as a guy who is 6'6'' this gets really annoying
[–]Imadurr7 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm sure the guy who's 5'3" is a bit more perturbed than you.
[–]Lizziloo87-9 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
It is OK for both sexes to ask questions especially if they are meeting online or in this case, via text apparently.
If one person is NOT okay with this, then perhaps they just aren't right for each other. The end.
[–][deleted]16 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Are you really going to pretend that this particular double standard isn't fairly prevalent among millenial women? Because it is, and any man on this planet could tell you that.
[–]Lizziloo87-1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes there is a double standard, I didn't say that. All I was meaning to say is that these two particular people don't seem like a good fit. Imply whatever else you want.
[–]Facade949-35 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't think you asking her weight is the corollary to her asking your height. I think you asking her height would have been the corollary.
[–]Demonspawn52 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No. Men and women are not the same:
Women judge men pretty harshly based on height, and don't care about weight much.
Men judge women harshly based on weight, and don't care about height much.
[–]Mylon12 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I care about height. Short girls can be extra cute.
[–]AdmiralKuznetsov4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's the thing though, women range from cute to extra cute while men just don't.
[–]Mylon7 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Men range from, "Will support my children" to "will support my great-great-grandchildren."
[–]Hibria2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Fat girls are always a no go for me, if they are fat they dont care about their bodies. They can cry "condishuns" all they want but if they gave 15mins on a stationary bike per day, most people would be okay.
[–]TheForrester7k-1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What? What women doesn't care about a guys weight?
[–]Demonspawn20 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not nearly as much as they care about a man's height.
If you think they care about them even remotely the same, you don't know much about women.
[–]PartyLikeASloth-11 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This guys got a condescending attitude, he must be the expert
[–]ZQMFGB5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The delivery is crap but it's not incorrect to say that a man's height is more important than weight (outside morbid obesity) in terms of aesthetic appeal to women.
[–]Demonspawn1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The delivery is sick of idiots who think men and women behave the same because equality.
[–][deleted]2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
She didn't ask about his weight.
They probably care, but they usually ask about height a long time before they ask about weight. This is something men tend to notice.
Yea that's total bullshit, both genders usually care about weight
[–]xNOM16 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Um no. It is not even close.
[–]PartyLikeASloth-13 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I forgot what a joke this sub reddit is, no wonder MRAs are a laughing stock
[–]-Fender-9 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
They both care about it, duh. I've never heard of anyone who was actually, honestly turned on by people weighing 400 pounds. But you're mistaken if you honestly believe that both genders look at the same traits with the same importance wherever sex and physical attraction is related.
[–]Vahnya3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Why does the topic of someone saying "I don't care about weight that much" all of a sudden mean people need to go to the extreme and go "WELL YOU WOULD CARE IF THEY WERE 400 POUNDS"
Like, well duh. But a girl weighing 200lbs is significantly different than a guy weighing 200lbs. Guys tend to be taller and carry the weight better (Or they naturally have more muscle weight). So a lot of the time, no, weight does not matter as much in terms of asking a guy.
[–]-Fender-0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
So... you're saying that weight is different between a guy and a girl. Just like height acts differently in physical attractiveness between men and women.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems that you just contradicted your previous statement.
[–]Vahnya1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes? I am saying that? Weight does not mean as much to a girl as height does. (And no I'm not advocating the attitude.)
That literally is what I'm saying. All I'm saying is he could have worded it better.
If any girl gets asked "how heavy they are" they're gonna be a little defensive. If a girl is simply asked her weight, then not so much. It's the simple "I'm already bitter that you had to ask my height so I'm gonna take you down a peg and infer that you're heavy" that just seems a little baby-ish.
[–]AdmiralKuznetsov1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're responding to the wrong person...
[–]-Fender-1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Oh? My bad.
[–]sillymod3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You are welcome to leave.
[–]myonefriendisblack1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You aren't as silly as your name leads me to believe.
[–]btmims34 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't know, a guy can have a little belly and is usually alright. But a guy that's 5' tall? He's usually fairly sol on the Meat market. I would prefer a gal that's my height or shorter, but taller doesn't really bother me. Chunky girl? ...most would rather not.
[–]Kmart10089 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah, but most men don't seem to mind a few extra pounds. Not talking about someone who's obese, but a woman who's say 140 or so. Most men are ok with that.
[–]-Fender-7 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Depends on the man. Personally, I get turned off by flab, so I work out to not have any myself, and I expect my partners to do the same.
[–]Kmart10084 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's why I said "most". I don't think there's ever a one size fits all for attraction.
[–]PhilipofMastodon15 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Women care about height, men typically don't. A woman's height is comparable to a man's height when the discussion is about ceiling clearance, not attractiveness to the opposite sex. He asked about something he cares about instead.
At least he would have, if this wasn't faked circlejerk internet messaging screenshot #32385482319.
[–]TracyMorganFreeman5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Maybe if men and women were sexualized in the same way.
By your logic it's not sexist to judge men by their penis size as long as we judge women by their penis size too.
[–]kirwi4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You don't know what a corollary is.
[–]Yearoftheboomerang3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not exactly, because most men don't really care much about how short or tall a woman is. Men do care about weight just like most women care a lot whether a guy is short or not. Women care about weight too, but height is by far the biggest deal breaker for women much like weight is the biggest deal breaker for men.
[–]xNOM2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
silly egalitarians...
[–]Demonspawn5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah, they get equality disease to the point where they think men and women behave the same.
[–]DancesWithPugs0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Do you have a source for that, that isn't a butt?
[–]Swiggy1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
They are both physical attributes that play a role in attractiveness for many people.
[–]Vahnya-43 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think the wording is a bit brash. He could have eventually just asked what her body type/weight is instead of saying "HOW HEAVY ARE YOU"
Like what are you going to do, do bench presses of her? I get the point behind this post but the dude seems like kind of an ass.
[–]modernbenoni38 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Like what is she gonna do, tailor his clothes for him? She asked for a number, he asked for a number.
[–]xNOM13 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I get the point behind this post but the dude seems like kind of an ass.
Well then I assume you have no problem when female bosses seem kind of "bitchy".
[–]Vahnya0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm not quite sure what your point is? If someone is being a bit of a bitch or a bit of a skeeze I have no issues with pointing it out. It literally has nothing to do with gender.
[–]Lizziloo871 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Why is this person being downvoted? he had a valid point. It shouldn't matter what gender the person is, if they're being an asshole then they're being an asshole.
[–]Vahnya-1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's what I thought.
Like I'm seriously into the MRA and consider myself an MRA leaning egalitarian but this was seriously just baiting.
Yeah, height shouldn't matter and yes height is a huge issue when it comes to discriminating against "ideal male standards". But the earlier parts of the convo wasn't shown. You don't know if she's asking height things in an "a/s/l?" way. But he immediately went hostile in terms of response.
If he simply asked her height and weight by literally just saying "I'm 6'3". You?"
I've asked people how tall they were just on pure curiosity. To ask someone "HOW HEAVY ARE YOU" seems brash. That's literally all I'm saying. He worded it really hostile. All she asked was a question and he decided to get super offended by it and make it an issue.
It could have been handled better. Again, I get the point of it and I understand the double standards (in which women are judged by their weight and men are judged by their height) but it seriously could have been worded better instead of him getting all fucking butthurt about someone asking a question.
If she got all offended at him asking "Hey, how much do you weigh?" then sure you can go "Wow double standards much? She asked a question, he asked a question and she freaked out." But his wording made it seem completely hostile.
[–]Demonspawn9 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
But his wording made it seem completely hostile.
He treated her no differently that she treated him at that moment.
So treating a woman like a woman treats a man is "completely hostile"
[–]wanked_in_space4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Dude, your logic is completely hostile.
YOU HATE WOMEN!!
[–]Azothlike2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Height is not part of a/s/l.
Based off the fact that OP said "6'3 why", it's pretty clear he didn't bait her into asking the question. It's clear that it's Tinder and she's asking him his height because it's important for her tinder objectives/conversations, and that 6'3 is "good".
Whether or not he was hostile after that is irrelevant. She'd already asked an extremely shallow question, which would be offensive to anybody that doesn't meet those shallow requirements. He responded in mind; a shallow question that offends people who don't meet the requirements.
The flaw in your thinking, is in thinking that How Tall Are You, from woman to man, is not a shallow or offensive question. People laugh and agreed when women say they want a tall guy, instead of chastising the woman for being a primitive ape of a human with shallow expectations.
That is the double standard. That it's "rude" to judge a woman by a primitively attractive trait like weight, but acceptable to judge a man by a primitively attractive trait like height. And billions of men suffer from that unabashed shallowness.
[–]tomsix12 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
She asked how tall he is, he asked how heavy she is. It's literally the same level. If you're going to get mad at him for using the word heavy instead of weight, you need to get mad at her for asking for using tall instead of height.
[–]Vahnya-12 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No, she asked "How tall are you?"
and he asked "WHAT NUMBER COMES ON THE SCALE WHEN YOU STEP ON IT"
As I said, I understand the point but the dude sounded pretty full of himself.
[–]somethingyo8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
he's just having fun with the hypocrite that he has on the other side.
[–]Azothlike7 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He said that after she refused the simple question. You're a dope.
[–]Vahnya-5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He didn't ask "What do you weigh?" He asked "How heavy are you?". I'm not saying his intentions for the question were wrong- he had full right to be able to ask a physical question about her since she asked him. It's literally just the way he said it that seems a little cross-armed and smarmy.
And then he had to be condescending and say "WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS WHEN YOU STEP ON THE SCALE" Like seriously? Just ask for her weight, don't be a dick about it. She wasn't being a dick about asking his height.
How heavy are you is practically identical to how tall are you. In fact, I would say it was intentionally posed that way to mirror her question.
She knew exactly what the question meant, but refused to answer it, which is why he phrased it obnoxiously directly the second time.
Nobody is saying that "How heavy are you?" is a polite question. Newsflash: it's not. It's obviously going to make any heavy person feel uncomfortable, because they know being heavy is undesirable.
Here's the Newsflash you are failing to understand: a girl asking a guy on tinder how tall he is is also a shallow, dick move. It will obviously make short guys uncomfortable, because short guys know that trait is undesirable.
The flaw in your brain is that you think it's acceptable for her to bluntly and directly ask how tall he is, but that it's unacceptable for him to bluntly and directly ask how heavy she is. Both are shallow questions, especially when you don't even have the tact to hide your shallowness and say "oh good".
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[–]DancesWithPugs-43 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I guess it was more important to prove a point than get a date?
Don't throw yourself on the altar of activism.
[–]wanked_in_space19 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Because the guy SHOULD be grovelling at the alter of woman.
[–]DancesWithPugs-13 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I believe in results. Isn't one of the main points of this sub to improve men's lives? There's something to be said for charm, and getting to know someone before condemning them. We know women are more likely to be sensitive about their weight than men are about their height. Getting all self righteous and looking to be offended is something I detest about modern feminism, so I'm not going to celebrate that here.
[–][deleted]11 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Dating a woman that they don't find attractive will not improve men's lives. Being forced to be 'charming' to women who offend us will not improve men's lives.
And you're just an idiot if you think that a lot of men aren't sensitive about their height. Tall men aren't, but then thin women don't mind giving their weight.
[–]Punchee3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There's something to be said for charm but there's also something to be said for not putting women on an irreproachable pedestal.
This man was searching for a woman of quality and she demonstrated herself not to be. It's better to have standards in people's behavior than to just be happy some shallow chick doesn't find you unattractive.
[–]lafielle3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You would be correct if the goal of his entire exercise was to get dates. But getting a date is not the point at all. You recognize this, but incorrectly identify the actual goal.
The actual goal of his conversation with her is not to get a date, but it also is not to be an activist. Rather, the goal of his conversation with her is to find someone with whom to have a meaningful relationship, based on love and mutual understanding and compatibility.
Dating is not the goal. It is a means to an end.
Quickly rejecting shallow people who care primarily about looks - such as this woman - makes perfect sense. Why date her if she already proven in one question, and her resulting response to the answer, that she cares nothing for you as a person if you do not meet her physical criteria?
Clearly she's not emotionally mature enough yet to want a proper relationship yet. Why would a date with such a person be desirable in any way, shape or form?
[–]wanked_in_space2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
He's educating someone about their biases. He already want going to date them. He didn't get offended. Who exactly are you saying is getting offended?
As for improving men's lives, it's always a good idea to highlight bias. She probably didn't even think of it until he pointed this out. Assuming this isn't faked.
[–]brain_candy8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Shaming tactic? The guy shouldn't speak his mind for fear that he'll be rejected by one girl? But, perhaps you're referring to the girl.
[–]inner720-11 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I agree with you, but you have to keep in mind this is one of the biggest circlejerks
[–]chrispdx-44 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
[MEME] You're not wrong, You're just an asshole. [/MEME]
[–]Arby0118 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Not in the context of that exchange.
[–]EvrythingISayIsRight11 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Get this garbage out of here.
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