"Gender equality, yeah..." [Turn off annotations for best viewing experience]

mrmrchoice · 2013-12-22T13:30:44+00:00

Ouch... fuck, I'm going to go back to r/wtf where things make more sense

ElfmanLV · 2013-12-22T14:14:51+00:00

Someone should post this to /r/feminism and see what reactions come about.

2013-12-22T18:47:49+00:00

No man must visit Singapore: Only boys are whipped in front of a school assembly , no girls. Only men and boys are whipped with a cane for crimes, not women. Only men have to do National Service.

Tomdowney · 2013-12-22T20:20:11+00:00

I'm not sexist but men should have to serve, its good for them.....um yeah, that is sexist.

rumdiary · 2013-12-22T15:44:14+00:00

I'm not 100% sure that's she's being sexist, I think she's just being an idiot :)

humanityisavirus · 2013-12-22T21:38:12+00:00

If she has no problem forcing men to do the shitwork while she profits, she shouldn't have a problem being forced to be pregnant, barefoot, and in some guy's kitchen.

Rikkushin · 2013-12-22T15:09:02+00:00

I really liked the girls at the end "It should be optional for the guys. Gender Equality"

EDIT: Misheard it, they didn't say that

Ivan_Fackoff · 2013-12-23T04:13:50+00:00

"Gwedir ekality" yeah that's a good laugh.

aaxxsed · 2013-12-23T08:52:25+00:00

We have the exact same situation in South Korea. Guys have to serve 21 months usually in their first half of 20s being paid a tenth of the minimum wage, while girls carry on with their lives. Even the lightly handicapped males get to do mandatory civil service, due to ironically named 'no-exceptions policy'. Women say the exact same thing about the military service. "They make you better of a man", "You learn how to socialize and work as a team player in there" blah blah blah. There is no movement at all, to include women in the conscription. The last decision from consitutional court ruled male-only conscription constitutional. Also, the Ministry of Gender Equality, despite its name, says nor does nothing about this. (actually, the Korean name of the department is '여성부', which translates to 'Ministry of Women')

emperorhirohito · 2013-12-23T09:16:14+00:00

I think this is great! For years feminists have portrayed the lives of men as gilded and privileged. If they are conscripted and see how horrible it is. The violence, the crap food and the discomfort of army life they will hate it. And when they turn around and say "we don't like this" we can say "it's national service, you don't have a choice!"
And they will finally experience what it's like to be a man

roadhand · 2013-12-22T14:41:29+00:00

~~Singapore's most hypocritical girl~~ Typical female.

ForkWounds · 2013-12-22T15:06:15+00:00

Nyeah...

I'm not convinced that it's hypocrisy. Granted I know nothing about Singapore, but a few of her remarks ("when [men] become heads of their own families", "it's not going to be useful for me in the future") suggest that she's somewhat traditionally-minded when it comes to gender, and that she sees service as a male initiation ritual rather than a practical combat necessity.

That might not be 'fair', it might not even be accurate, but I don't think it's enough to cry hypocrisy either.

chuckles

I'm glad to see folks are sharing their opinion on what I've said, although if I've made an error in reasoning, I'd prefer they point it out in addition to spamming the thumbs-down.

AlchemyPhoenix · 2013-12-22T16:52:06+00:00

I don't actually see any hypocrisy here. Two different women were interviewed, and gave two different opinions. The first woman is a traditionalist who was promoting old-school gender roles. She thinks that it's good for men to spend time in the service in order to learn the skills that will allow them to become the heads of their households. She's probably willing to be subservient to her husband in return for his status as the man.

The second woman said that she thinks the two year service should be optional for men, because of gender equality. What's the problem?

madlordofestnoth · 2013-12-22T20:22:29+00:00

Here's the thing - I don't want to see a lot of sub-par soldiers in my military or any other (except perhaps our enemies). I don't think anyone should be allowed to serve in the military that hasn't passed a standardized fitness, psychological, and emotional test. That test (properly administered and sufficiently rigorous) is going to exclude the vast majority of women. I think we should have other options for those women to give back to their country perhaps in the forms of war-time industry (not as dangerous as war but not the safest either).

War isn't about fairness (even for men) it's about mission accomplishment and protecting the people (and interests) of a nation. I don't think that women should have to serve in a military alongside men but not because I want them to be protected from war but because I don't think they would make good soldiers and would get people killed as a result. If someone has to serve, I would rather it be the men, not because I value men less but because I value the peace and justice of victory more.

Title	"Gender equality, yeah..." [Turn off annotations for best viewing experience]
Author	jostler57
Upvotes	180
Comments	74
Date	December 22, 2013 12:15 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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