If feminists cant cope with equal competition (demanding female only leagues for sports, female only olympics, no trans, no men) because they cant physically compete, WHY are we paying them equal pay for physical jobs that we KNOW men are more productive/better at??!

63daddy · 2022-12-14T20:19:42+00:00

Saying women’s sports should be paid as much as men’s is like saying minor league baseball players deserve the same pay as the majors. It’s ridiculous.

I’ve long supported separate, easier sports leagues for women for opportunity reasons, but if feminists and female athletes like the women’s soccer team are going to complain, then perhaps it’s time we end gender-specific sports and have women equally compete with and against men.

Your_Agenda_Sucks · 2022-12-14T22:35:19+00:00

I'm still trying to figure out why the WNBA is still being subsidized by the NBA, and yet the WNBA players are constantly whining about salary disparities?

I mean, the entire organization can't even stand on its own financially without backing from the actual NBA.

Final_Philosopher663 · 2022-12-14T20:16:22+00:00

Having a female league is different to saying why people are not interested in watching female sports.

For everything there should be equal opportunity not "forced outcome"

This BS with women soccer clubs and WNBA bitching on TV when they know the truth its a whole different story I agree.

infinitofluxo · 2022-12-14T21:23:29+00:00

I have heard stories from a lot of men that had the same job as the women but were assigned the physical tasks "because he was a man". If they can't do the same job, there should be different payment for the ones that do more. It is unfair.

Men are already dropping from the education system and they want men to keep doing the manual labor. Can't wait for us to own robots doing this stuff and all the work left to do is related to the mind.

PhatPatSC · 2022-12-14T19:22:07+00:00

Because one isn't required in our current system. A job is required to function. Workers rights in general are an everyone issue. The bread and circus of sports or competitions are the respective participants issues.

Imissyourgirlfriend2 · 2022-12-14T21:26:09+00:00

Good fucking question.

There's fair and there's equal. Equality is not fair, and fairness is absolutely not equal.

It's fair to have segregation in some aspects of life, but Feminists want the unfair equality.

Equality is one person risking their safety and body to hunt and kill dinner and everyone getting the same amount of food.

Fairness is giving that hunter more so they have enough energy to do it all over again the next day.

Strong-Menu-1852 · 2022-12-15T02:06:15+00:00

I stocked shelves at walmart. Women stocked arts and crafts, men stalked juice and dairy - way heavier. Girls would take forever no one would scold them, but we were constantly scolded. The double standard sucks so hard

Ok-Translator2294 · 2022-12-14T22:30:52+00:00

At my workplace (corporate side of a tech company) we have regulations regarding maximum weight a man and woman can lift. While we'll probably never carry more than our laptops and headphones, it was interesting to notice that there was a 15kg difference between the weight men are allowed to lift and the weight women are allowed to lift.

Also with militaries allover we've seen that they had to lower physical requirements to let more women qualify.

You're right, since men are expected to do more physical work, they should be paid more!

Diesel-66 · 2022-12-14T20:01:05+00:00

It's illegal discrimination to pay less based on gender. Simplest solution is get don't get hired/let go if they can't do the job

lightbenderfm · 2022-12-14T23:45:36+00:00

I think as far as sports they should get paid for the crowds they draw, merchandise they promote, whatever. That being said male sports teams just draw bigger audiences. I want to say with regards to the women’s soccer team I thought they were drawing bigger crowds than the men’s team but I don’t know so don’t quote me on that.

As for work I hesitate on the idea of paying women less. I’ve worked several labor intensive jobs in my life and on the rare occasions I worked with women, they would keep up with the men. Most jobs I’ve worked though, the natural strength difference between men and women didn’t play a factor in productivity.

I however am very against women having lower bars to participate in male dominated activities. If a male laborer is expected to be able to run a certain speed for an amount of time, or lift a certain weight, women should be held to the same standard. I am not part of the military but my understanding is the physical requirements are lowered for women, however I could be wrong about that.

OofOuch_MyBrain · 2022-12-15T08:39:30+00:00

I work on building sites, and I think there should be equal pay for men and women even in physical labour jobs.

We're not paid per unit of work done, we're paid for our time spent labouring. If the 5'5 135lbs 60 year old guy next to me is getting the same pay I am even though he can't lift and move the things I can, then a woman should he getting paid the same as me too.

MezzaCorux · 2022-12-14T23:59:27+00:00

What they don’t understand is that how much you get paid isn’t equal to how much or how hard you work but instead to the value of that work. You can work just as hard moving boxes in a warehouse as you would doing construction but construction is a more valuable industry. Same applies to sports, if women’s soccer was as valuable (aka made the same amount of money) as men’s soccer then they’d actually have a case for equal pay.

ReflexionSolutions · 2022-12-15T06:54:18+00:00

One thing you're not considering when talking about not paying a woman the same as her male counterparts in a job where men are more productive is that it's based on a generalization. How do you know if that specific woman isn't more productive then other male employees? And what about male employees to that might be slightly less productive then others? Are they paid less?

Of course, a company could start hiring with a new salary scale based on strength. If you can deadlift x pounds you get that much, if you can deadlift y pounds you have a 20% increase in salary, etc. Then you also have to assess endurance, speed, and create a mathematical formula to aggregate all the various physical abilities to determine to final wage paid to each employee. However, what about all the things that can't be measured or that have been forgotten. What about working smarter? I've seen many cases of workers spending an awful lot of time to do something in a certain way, just to have someone else come and solve the problem in a few minutes. That person didn't do it because they where stronger.

Actually, all this explanation started because I wanted to show how crazy and unfeasible that idea of paying differently based on physical skills was, yet now I'm thinking it might be a great wage scale for recruitment 😄

livinginlyon · 2022-12-14T20:14:09+00:00

Because productivity isn’t the highest priority. Profit is.

bilgediver · 2022-12-14T20:18:27+00:00

They can't demand female only leagues because the other progressives won't let them, due to "pro trans".

nineteenletterslong_ · 2022-12-14T23:26:18+00:00

i don't think this is helping anybody. the wage gap is a myth in the first place (mostly due to women working less).

what kind of physical labor is there where women are less productive? should employers measure an employee's strength to decide how much to pay them? if blacks are stronger than whites would you be fine if they were paid more?

if i think of jobs that require physical effort i can barely think of any where being strong will make you work faster

DarkPhenomenon · 2022-12-15T00:47:05+00:00

Male athletes (at least of popular sports) are paid much much more than female athletes

You're right, if they can't do the job physically they shouldn't be paid the same as men.

A lot of the jobs (not all) that women complain about equal pay aren't physically demanding jobs

kaijyuu2016 · 2022-12-15T00:42:26+00:00

Because they only want equality when it's convenient for them.

equalRights111 · 2022-12-15T15:06:50+00:00

Because patriarchy, and if you disagree then you must be a misogynist/sexist!

aaronsfreelance · 2022-12-15T00:43:46+00:00

Transgender men and men should not be allowed in female sports.

WingsofSky · 2022-12-15T02:27:09+00:00

What do you mean "Equal"? They want more than men. It happened with that soccer league. They were offered the same deal. Didn't take it.

I think the male soccer league players actually gave in and are letting the female players have more than half.

EnvironmentFormer209 · 2022-12-15T05:47:17+00:00

Because women will literally riot if they don’t have special privileges

UnitedYoung7799 · 2022-12-15T05:50:44+00:00

Occam’s razor - they don’t care about equality or fairness; they want a gynocracy and feel justified as they view it as payback for perceived oppression in the past.

Bezza777 · 2022-12-14T20:04:49+00:00

Because while the difference at the top is extreme, the difference at an average level is a lot closer.

Different_Weekend817 · 2022-12-15T00:34:48+00:00

i have no idea, man. male police officers should obviously be paid more than female officers.

2022-12-15T01:18:57+00:00

I dont really pay attention to sports so im not going to comment on the olympic portion of your post.

But, I have a very physical job. I’ve been a welder for 22 years. Worked all over norther canada building refineries, pipe lines, hydro dams, bridges etc… There arent all that many women in the trades. Ive only known…three dozen? Give or take. They have all performed exemplary in their trade. Every single one. Of them, id say about a third moved onto different things on account of being bullied in some form JUST because they are women. Meanwhile i’ve known COUNTLESS male welders, fitters and riggers who have kept their jobs or been promoted despite being the most passive aggressive, useless, backstabbing dog fuckers on site.

You want to talk about mens rights and the ways we suffer inequality in society then by all means i’m going to cheer for you. But leave my tradie ladies out of it because you dont know what you’re talking about. Damn rights they make as much as the men. Smh.

eddboat112 · 2022-12-15T01:05:47+00:00

Because theyre marxist commies who want a slice of a pie they didnt earn. All of this feminism, woke shit comes all the way from the top levels of western government, its a much deeper issue than i think anyone here really realizes. We have to fight this nonesense with everything we've got, or we will eventually be permanently silenced.

squiddwardshouse · 2022-12-15T00:51:43+00:00

It’s almost as if you read my comment from this post just yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/USMC/comments/zkn33g/sgt_grilled_me_for_correcting_a_lcpl/j05hso2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

Stand_kicker · 2022-12-15T03:24:23+00:00

The base pay for all athletes should be the same, irrespective of gender or physical ability. Disabled people should earn the same base pay too.

However, athletes pay can include other components as well such as part of the gate fees, merchandise sales, ppv sales, money earned from advertising, etc. Of course this varies from sport to sport, each having it's own pay structure. But this would be a better way to do things, keep base pay the same and you earn more based on your star power.

And then there is the money you earn as an individual from personally endorsing products.

Mountainking7 · 2022-12-15T05:04:06+00:00

We should end it all .lmao... and let true equality shine.

_Pretzel · 2022-12-15T11:48:54+00:00

Going devils advocate here and say that if SOMEHOW a woman can have the same output as the men, then there's no reason not to pay them equally.

LQG_Inanis · 2022-12-14T23:40:35+00:00

You know how when you were a kid how sometimes you'd let the younger kids win because they were smaller, weaker, and not as praticed as you and the older kids? Okay now just extrapolate that planetwide across all adults over all western cultures. Women funnily enough are in fact smaller, weaker and less durable. However WOMEN get to decide who gets to reproduce, when they reproduce, and how frequently they can reproduce. So you have a half of a species that has COMPLETE and UNFETTERED control of the continuation of the aforementioned species and you are currently wondering why we let them basically do whatever they want? I hope this visual aid has helped you understand the state of human existence a little better.

Gingerchaun · 2022-12-14T19:41:29+00:00

I've got rodsisters who would eat you for breakfast bud.

FrodoBaggginz · 2022-12-14T20:07:25+00:00

When you account for education, overtime, hours worked, etc. men only make like 2 percent more than women. 2 percent is barely even noticeable.

I’d gladly give up 2% of my salary to make it even between men and women and I think most men would do the same.

Head-Journalist769 · 2022-12-14T20:25:16+00:00

Yeah but I am pretty sure they mean all jobs, including any desk/office jobs anyone can work at. It is just a stupid mistake that women would get paid the same for manual labor jobs

dropthatpopthat · 2022-12-15T04:28:36+00:00

meanwhile you’re probably broke and unemployed

Ok-Needleworker-774 · 2022-12-14T23:06:55+00:00

Dudes, woman here!

I largely agree with this argument. But imagine (and most people don’t) what we may be missing. Like, “what happens right below the line of excellence” in the bell curve?

Look at the line in athletics where the best women start to knock off the second tier men.

That’s all well and good, but what about in every area of society?

I personally know two CrossFit champion women who are stronger than 98% of the men I know. I know an NCAA pole vault woman who took a man’s spot in high school because he wasn’t yet strong enough to beat her (she was 18 and he was 15). Ok, cool?

Again, I am not disagreeing, I just wonder what the ripple effects are going to be if there is true equality!

Anyone else think of some crazy side effect of pure equality? I mean right now women are 55% and climbing of college grads. Women’s life expectancy is approaching 7 years longer than men (meaning we might be healthier longer, increasing age discrimination among men)).

I know why the feminists are fighting FOR equality. And why you all see the arguments AGAINST, but what is the practical application beyond elite athletics that are literally .000001% of humans.

PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS · 2022-12-15T07:41:02+00:00

Because it's less trouble.

Seriously, pick your battles.

DV Suicide The draft Life expectancy and retirement age Emotional stigma Demonization of solitude coupled with social isolation

This kind of argument is a red herring. Size and strength has advantages and disadvantages, and I think men get the better end of the stick in that area specifically

Glenduil · 2022-12-15T13:56:33+00:00

Women do not want those jobs. I fully support women who want to work physically demanding jobs and they should get paid equally to bust their ass.

But women don't normally want to even apply to a job like that. They want the soft and easy office jobs.

Stilltryin4gold · 2022-12-15T15:10:53+00:00

I would say until its proven that they aren't doing the job equally with male co-workers, they deserve the same pay. I cant think of an example when they receive equal pay but are not doing the job. Maybe if you consider discriminatory recruiting for a job(girls fire camps, easier agility testing for females for police and fire). But not doing a job once hired the same as male co-workers, I just don't see it and I'm a big time mra.

talantua · 2022-12-15T15:20:01+00:00

But they had that. And then they decided it wouldn't be inclusive enough and when they had it, they decided they didn't like it and are looking for someone to bail them out.

I'm talking out of my ass, it's a lot more complicated than this and i probably sound like a dick but i find my story funny and fuck it! I ball! 🤣

sharksville · 2022-12-17T00:06:43+00:00

Good point. Never thought about this before

thatcrazybitch25 · 2022-12-26T06:39:52+00:00

You want to pay women less for being women? Do you really not see how that's obviously sexist?

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