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True equality in mainstream.

Bortasz

September 10, 2015
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Title True equality in mainstream.
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Bortasz

Upvotes 806
Comments 71
Date September 10, 2015 7:05 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[+]Keiichi81 10 years ago* [recovered] (21 children) | Copy Link

Remember, a 16 year old girl who willfully engages in sex with an older teacher or even a same-aged fellow student was raped because underage children cannot consent and aren't mature enough to make informed decisions about such matters. Her youthful naivety was exploited! It doesn't matter whether she wanted it. It doesn't matter whether she initiated it. It's rape.

A 14 year old boy who gets fucked by his teacher though? I mean, clearly he wanted it. What young boy wouldn't jump at the chance of sex with their semi-attractive older teacher?

Listen up, feminists. That is actual rape culture. A fucking court judge telling a young boy that he's not a victim because he (should have) want(ed) it is the most glaring example of an actual, honest to God rape culture I can imagine.

[–]wanked_in_space 84 points85 points86 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Lalalalalalalala. I'm not listening.

You're comparing men to women. It's all about "teh menz". Always making everything about the man. Women. Are the victims here. The woman was forced by society to have sex with the student and then HE took advantage of her vulnerability. HE should be jailed.

[–]IlleFacitFinem 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is probably satire but it's painful to me

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]wanked_in_space 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I find that offensive. You are a misogynist pig.

[–]Rishnixx 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I think you got some downvotes because you left out your /s.

[–]wanked_in_space 35 points36 points37 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If people some get the sarcasm with "lalalalalalalala" then I don't want their upvotes.

[–]relentless_dick 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the cut of your jib.

[–]davesterist 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I like you. And the cut of your jib. idk what that means

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's phrase meaning you approve of their appearance or demeanor. A jib is a triangular foresail, and differed in style by country. This created national identities and perceptions based on the shape of a jib of a ship, i.e. how it was cut.

[–]davesterist 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Woah! Thank you for the explanation! That's actually really cool. I've been learning about sailing and it's cool to see that word used in a different sense.

[+]FRedington 10 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Go fuck yourself.

[–]wanked_in_space 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No man is going to tell me what I do with my body!

[–]rsresnor 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot to mention that "culture" made her do it.

[–]Blutarg 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"teh menz"

What the fuck is that?

[–]Dapperdan814 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you just gave me cancer with that post. I know it's satire, but that's how toxic that was to read. I think we need to call the EPA.

[–]TRAUMAjunkie 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You misspelled "womynz"

[–]LEGALinSCCCA 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Listen up, feminists. That is actual rape culture. A fucking court judge telling a young boy that he's not a victim because he (should have) want(ed) it is the most glaring example of an actual, honest to God rape culture I can imagine.

YES! THIS NEEDS TO BE REPEATED!

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is actual rape culture.

Yes, as much of our media and public reactions to it are akin to grooming.

[–]StopTop 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't we just agree that some teenagers are totally cool with boning mid 20s people and it's not a fucking victim situation every time?

[–]trygold1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

i agree there is a problem and it is that the 16 yo girl should be treaded like the boy not the other way around.

[–]RagingFuckalot -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's disgusting how men choose not to take sexual abuse and assault against men seriously.

[–]CountVonVague 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Larry Wilmore certainly is getting comfortable with latenight tv and being on his own show, having the freedom to say and do as he wishes as the host. hope this trend continues

[–]yougonnagetit 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I like him as a person, but he really makes his show a liberal circle jerk. The guests are usually all of the same persuasion on an issue except one, who is usually a comedian or author, and they get shit on by the rest. He never has anyone worth listening to on to compete with his own views. The show is essentially an echo chamber.

Jon Stewart was great, he had his own views and very often they clashed with liberals, and he had guests who could seriously debate a topic with real credbility. When you have comics argue about gun control its just disingenuous.

Comedy Central took a massive hit losing Colbert and Stewart.

[–]Manakel93 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I had to stop watching Larry during the Baltimore Riots/BLM think because he just got so insanely preachy.

[–]CountVonVague 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The benefit of said liberal echo chamber is that it puts the arguments and points of view in front of an international audience for consideration. Larry was never the Best corespondent for The Daily Show, his jokes occasionally fall flat, the guests he has on can be taken or left, and the background of Larry's set will never not annoy me: But realistically Larry is the "Black" version of the Daily Show now, the continuation of what that show wanted to do regarding political commentary and joking news banter.

It's not like the Nightly Show is as bad an echo chamber as The Fox Five or anything... but it's useful to watch partisans be forced to debate their views on live tv, they give real reactions that way. And while every jab at Bullshit Mountain was fantastic Jon never REALLY tore into liberals and progressives the same way he tore into libertarians and conservatives.

Hopefully with Trevor Noah and the shows new "online oriented" comedy direction we'll get a whole different take on who got who's head up their butts

[–]Novaer 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I dunno man. In the last couple years John Stewart was going practically tumblr on how in depth he was on the liberal side of things.

[–]yougonnagetit 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His views were not my own, but I appreciated that he openly criticized liberal leaders when he wanted to, and that his "conservative" guests were actually credible (i.e. actual politicians in the national spotlight). Larry Wilmore pulls some comedian who happens to say "all lives matter" as his opposition and the other panelists just shout them down.

[–]ShutupPussy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the later years Stewart was the same, he just had more art to not be as heavy handed as Wilmore

[–]damac_phone 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stewart called bullshit when he saw it, even if it was coming from the left. Colbert just found the most ridiculous people and portrayed them as the norm amongst the right. IMO Colbert just picked low hanging fruit and was never that funny.

[–]Lethn 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad this guy gets it, it's stupid the double standards everyone has on it that's the problem and already in the comments page for that image there are people trying to dismiss it.

At the age of 14 I would have probably jumped teachers like that and not given a fuck ( I had a pretty good understanding of sex at the time so I could hardly be called innocent :P ) but everyones different, if somebody says no or doesn't understand what's going on then it's fucking assault or rape, no matter how you try to spin it.

Pisses me off the way those fuckers in the comments pages will scream about the men doing this but immediately jump to the defence of women claiming it's 'just' a relationship. Simple thing for me is, you either treat both genders the same, or make it so having relationships with consenting 14+ year olds isn't illegal, that really is just how I look at it.

By the way, I thought I recognised him and that's Larry Wilmore from the daily show.

[–]Lucius_Martius 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is twofold in situations like this. One aspect is the abuse of power by a teacher (of any gender) and another is the double standards reducing punishment for female adults and rapists.

Age is a different matter and not necessarily the problem here. There exist several different ideas of when a young person should be allowed to have sexual relations (age of consent). US America's idea of "by the age of 18 and not one second younger" is... let's just say on the more conservative end of the spectrum. And it certainly causes more problems than it solves, because a lot of young men and women at the age of 15/16/17 WILL be having sex.

[–]Keiichi81 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

At the age of 14 I would have probably jumped teachers like that and not given a fuck ( I had a pretty good understanding of sex at the time so I could hardly be called innocent :P ) but everyones different

It doesn't matter how "different" anyone is. At the age of 14, a young boy is not mentally mature enough to make informed decisions on such matters. There's a reason that there are rules about age of consent, and it's not just to be prudes. 14 year old you might think sex with your older teacher sounds like a great idea, but 14 year old you isn't mature enough to fully grasp the consequences and possible ramifications of your actions; for example, what happens if 14 year old you ends up getting that teacher pregnant? To say nothing of the abuse of power...

Just because you're physically capable of getting an erection and understand that penises go in vaginas does not mean that you're ready for the risks and responsibilities of sexual activity.

[–]_cegorach_4 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

what happens if 14 year old you ends up getting that teacher pregnant?

He pays child support until his child is older than he is now?

[–]manicmonkeys 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you would've been so eager to do it is a HUGE part of why it's totally unacceptable for a teacher to do this with a student.

Teens are young, dumb, and easily taken advantage of by older people. The fact that they may have wanted to have sex makes the crime worse, not better.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At the age of 14 I would have probably jumped teachers like that and not given a fuck

As the man correctly states, the onus is not on you to refrain from jumping on the candy but for the candy to refrain from jumping on you.

If this difference is confusing, just think of it this way. For every piece of "eye candy" that gets put into a position of authority over children, there are a hundred disgusting hags who have just as much power to groom and then sexually assault the minors in their care. At least they may as well all be disgusting hags. Because the experience for many if not most of their victims will leave them with long term depression, more likely to commit suicide, and all manner of other serious problems in life. You cannot excuse one teacher just because she is "hot" and has a vagina and you feel like you'd hit that.

[+]CellularPeptideCake 10 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not a huge fan of these state-to-state legal differences. In NY (where Wilmore films) 17 is the legal age. A teacher in NY who has sex with a 17 year old student should be fired and prevented from ever teaching again, but should not serve a prison term.

[–]IlleFacitFinem 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, didn't the teacher in question here NOT get in trouble even though they had sex with a student?

[–]dellsharpie 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with everything, except the "sexually assaulting a minor" part. The age of consent is 16 in Penn. This woman abused her authority, willing participant or not, the punishment should be equally applied. Lauren Cooper got 23 months for sex with an 18 year old student (with possibly others, I don't remember all the details), while I still think it's not quite enough for abusing your position it's definitely better than this ruling.

[–]bertreapot 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was refreshing. The SNL skit where they made a joke of the boy wanting it really pissed me off. Glad to see there are some mainstream comedians who aren't putting up with it.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When underage girls have sex with their teachers, or someone older or whatever, it is still the same situation. They want to have sex with their teacher, in their minds they are "jumping on that candy", just as much as the male student in this case.

But the law is the law specifically because these minors would "love to jump on that candy". That's the whole point.

[–]soulless_ging 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's dangerous to generalize that way.

Sometimes, victims are 100 percent aware of what they're doing and their choices, and are truly actively consenting. And sometimes they are being manipulated into thinking their teacher/whomever really cares about them, when in fact they are being taken advantage of.

Both scenarios happen with either mix of genders.

[–]Arlieth 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The term for that manipulation is "grooming".

[–]babno 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Was this last nights episode? I'm generally not up late enough to watch but I may start watching online.

[–]RBGolbat 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was a while ago.

[–]BigHarryDeal 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe we just need to stop calling consensual sex between sexually mature humans rape; regardless of the genders involved.

[–]IlleFacitFinem 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's called statutory rape, because minors cannot consent. People usually assume it was forced. It rarely is a case of forced statutory rape, though it does happen.

[–]Archerbro 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ya but I also think 17 is alot different (in fact I think it's legal in some states).

but yes-if the gov't insists on doing this for 16-17 year old girls, then it has to go both ways.

[–]IlleFacitFinem 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Precisely. Age of consent in the state I went to highschool in was 16. But even then, when any teacher was found to have illicit relations with students, even above 16, they should have been punished. Only ever saw punishment when the student was a female, though. Not sure statistics.

[–]BigHarryDeal 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

minors cannot consent

I understand that they can't legally consent under the law, but they most certainly can consent.

forced statutory rape

aka rape

[–]IlleFacitFinem 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Forced statutory rape has different meaning than just rape.

[–]newharddrive 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is all bs. They should just lower the age of consent to 16 or so.

[–]DavidByron2 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well it is 16 in a lot of states but usually there's special laws against teachers fucking their students even if the kid is 18.

[–]newharddrive -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and I don't see this. Try to outlaw every boss who fucks his secretary. And the boss DOES have power over his employee. The kids are kids, but you should see how they try to use their sexuality to get whatever it is that they want. The other thing is that teacher spend all day every day with students. It is not so strange that a attraction might develop. In fact, it was quite common for hs teachers to marry their ex-students back in the day.

[–]TheBrownWelsh 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's illegal for teachers to sleep with students that are passed the age of consent because they spend so much time with them. There's too much risk of them "grooming" them from a young age to be comfortable with it, manipulating them by using their influence/authority to brainwash them (for lack of a better word).

[–]Arlieth 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, disparity of power does set the stage for sexual harassment and opens up a huge can of HR worms.

[–]XenonCeilingFan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who is this guy, and what show does he host?

[–]NaughtyAudio 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Larry Wilmore, The Nightly Show on Comedy Central.

[–]das_masterful 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can anyone link me to this?

[–]Dirty_Delta 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The comments on imgur are the worst. "Isn't the age of consent 16?"

Sure it may be in that state. But that doesn't mean that just because he is 16 he fucking consented.

[–]Blutarg 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, did that really air on TV?

[–]BrosenkranzKeef 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does anybody here remember that Dave Chappelle joke, how old is 15 really?

When I was 17 I knew exactly what sex was, I knew what it entailed, I knew I wanted it, and I knew that if I had the opportunity to bang my teacher (or better yet, if she wanted to bang me) I would've taken it in a heartbeat and owned the fuck out of it. Nobody in that situation is getting harmed.

If a high school boy didn't want to have sex with his teacher then he can complain. But I find the likelihood of high school boys not wanting to have sex with their teachers is very low. More like a dream come true.

If that's unequal then fuck it, imma get mine unequally.

[–]Elvick 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about calling it sexual assault at 17, but it's something.

But, my concern about the whole thing is boys being conditioned to accept it and think it's "cool". Then years later it comes crashing down on them.

That's why we have these rules to begin with. To prevent that sort of thing from happening, the effects of this aren't always immediate. You don't really know how something is going to turn out years later.

How hard is it to not fuck your students? I mean honestly, be responsible adults for fuck's sake. Is that really so much to ask?

[–]MasterGoshinki 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not bad. I agree except when he gets to innocence. Imo, it's about an adult ruining a kids life if they get pregnant, have an std, or are manipulated somehow

[–]trygold1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree that men and women who have sex with teens should be treated the same. Giving women a longer sentence would do this. I do not think giving women stiffer sentences is the best solution. I would rather see men get lighter sentences. The criminalization of sex has gone way to far and we should be trying to bring it back to a sane level. Men and women are different. Men will always be prosecuted more for sex crimes. As MRA I think we need to decriminalize sex.

PS and lets git rid of the sex offender registry for all but the WORST sex offences if not getting rid of it all together.

[–]Lobstermansunion -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Huffpost is still a full-on loudspeaker for misandric feminism. One or two reasonable opinions occasionally don't change that.

[+]Captain_Yid -11 points-10 points-9 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

"Sexual assault."

Give me a fuckin' break! A 17 year-old student boned his teacher. That's living the dream for christsake.

Stop trying to turn the 17-year-old into some kind of fuckin' martyr. 30 days in jail for the teacher is too much, not too little. And that applies to both genders.

Can we stop trying to be feminists and stop hailing posts like this as if they are a breath of fresh air?

[–]BruceCampbell123 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You. You are part of the problem.

[–]Captain_Yid 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem, as I understand it, is prison sentences for consensual sex.

[–]Pittshadowrunner 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's the double standard. A male teacher would be crucified for this.

[–]Captain_Yid 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear ya. But the OP isn't complaining about the double standard. It's complaining that the crime isn't taken seriously enough.

Fuck that guy. The problem is that the crime is taken too seriously, and far too seriously when a man is the perpetrator.

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