The "Slut vs. Stud" debate.

BrewPounder · 2015-03-26T09:38:52+00:00

It's been on my mind. Why is TRP so critical of women that have had several sex partners while men are encouraged to "spin plates" all the time?

If you are baiting a "TRP has double standards for men and women" response, then I'll gladly give it to you. TRP has different(double) standards for men and women, because it's focused on the male happiness only. That's why it tells men to fuck a lot of women, because it's fun, while also saying women shouldn't fuck around - because men prefer women who will have sex with them only. Note how "men" are central in both examples.

I can't believe someone is still surprised that TRP is "unfair" when they openly admit it and almost circlejerk to how amoral they are. If you want a "fair" and "moral" version of TRP, try RPW.

It seems like promiscuity carries the same risks and reward amongst all genders (with the exception of pregnancy, but that's what contraception is for, plus guys should be responsible for their children anyways).

Not enough evo-psych bro. (reliable) Contraception was around for less than two hundred years. You can't invalidate 250 000 years of evolutionary conditioning(if you only want to count Homo Sapiens, and you shouldn't) with what is basically a modern invention. Evolution, our instincts, know nothing about contraception. Saying that we don't care with whom and how often we have sex because contraception exists is like saying we don't need face-to-face contact with other humans anymore because we have remote methods of communication.

namae_nanka · 2015-03-26T03:48:20+00:00

Similar reason to why Ronda Rousey's beating up of men would be seen as cheerworthy while a male MMA fighter doing the same to women wouldn't be.

JP_Whoregan · 2015-03-26T02:16:33+00:00

Being a stud is hard. Being a slut is easy, and society doesn't reward easy shit.

alreadyredschool · 2015-03-26T10:45:16+00:00

The real question is why are BPs so emotional about this?

Just accept reality.

Fact: It is easy to have sex with men.

Fact: women are approached more often, they can be choosy -> women are the selectors.

Fact: men do the approaches more often -> men are selected

Fact: being selected very often is a sign of high quality.

Fact: men value chastity, women don't

Fact: women base their judgment on the assessment of other women.

We_Are_Legion · 2015-03-26T09:35:01+00:00

Why is TRP so critical of women that have had several sex partners while men are encouraged to "spin plates" all the time?

TRP is concerned about men getting what they want. It is specifically sexual strategy for men. If men can have their cake and eat it too, TRP would tell them to go for it. Whether it's fair or consistent or a double-standard is absolutely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is male sexual strategy turn out well for males.

As the chant you may have heard of from TRP goes "Sexual strategy as amoral".

I_GOT__BAKING_SODA · 2015-03-26T13:29:09+00:00

I'm not critical of sluts. I love sluts. Sluts are awesome for fucking and you can have several of them at a time as long as you remember to frame it as "being open with your sexuality" or some other shit that makes them think you're thoughtful and liberal and not just pumping them until boredom and then switching to the next treat.

The thing about sluts is that they are flaky, adventurous, unreliable. Not good material for LTR or marriage. Absolute gold for a drug-filled dick sucking trip to vegas, but not that great if you want her to be bored for 10 years raising kids and taking responsibility for things and not running off with the first tempting opportunity.

Now the more old fashioned redpillers that still believe in having a family and a stable marriage are understandably angry that the marketplace is saturated with "sexually liberated" women that jump from cock to cock instead of girls that they could build their ideal future with.

However, those of us whose life plan is to spin until you grow older and then settle down with some fresh 16 to 18-year-olds, the current situation is more than optimal. There have never in history been this many sexually available hot young girls running around in yoga pants and short shorts and tank tops as now. It's fucking cool and I fully support sex positivity.

Now when it comes to the question of why does promiscuity make a man a stud and a woman a slut- think about it. What does a man need to be to lay 9's on a regular basis, especially in this new era where over 80% of men are rated as "below average"? (This is fact btw) He needs handsome masculine facial features, a fashionable clothing style, wealth, good game and humor, confidence, a good career, a house, good car, intelligence, supreme physical fitness, good skin, teeth, grooming etc. A man needs all this to reach an unlimited amount of pussy. In other words he's a fucking champ in every aspect of life.

What does a woman respectively need to get as much dick as she wants? She needs to be reasonably attractive. As in 7-8/10. And she doesn't even have to actually be that, she can game the system by putting on copious amounts of makeup to fake having desirable facial features. In other words all a bitch has to do for sexual success is to be normal and say yes. Why would I have respect for that?

Or you can just look at it like this: Have you ever seen an ugly, short, poor, humorless, scrawny man that was a gigantic player that had a new woman every other day? Neither have I. What about a broke, ugly slut? Yeah.

Women and men are asymmetric. We are not the same. We are a dymorphic species. Comparing men's sexual success to that of women is comparing apples to oranges.

Hopefully this cleared some things up for you! ;)

stats135 · 2015-03-26T03:00:16+00:00

Why is TRP so critical of women that have had several sex partners while men are encouraged to "spin plates" all the time?

The way I see it, it all boils back down to supply and demand. The supply of female virgins are low (at least in the Western societies that have been corrupted by feminism) and the demand from men wanting to fuck virgins is high (think of what the price of virginity can get on the market, whether it be when it is auctioned on the internet, or the services of prostitutes in foreign countries.) To say that female virginity is valuable is an understatement. The reverse is true for men. There are huge supplies of male virgins and there is virtually no demand for them. So male virginity is worthless.

When it comes to sex, it really boils down to what the gatekeepers of sex (woman) do. If woman desired to fuck virgin men more (increasing the demand and therefore rising the price), then male virginity would be valued similar to women's.

I_GOT__BAKING_SODA · 2015-03-26T13:50:33+00:00

The archer shooting at the target needs practice to be good at it.

The target doesn't.

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RichieFinn · 2015-03-26T10:00:21+00:00

plus guys should be responsible for their children anyways

then when the woman gets bored and runs off and wants to take the kids along, the guy has to fight to see his kids as much as he wants. Yet u rant on about equality in other areas.

edit: spelling

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BrewPounder · 2015-03-26T10:59:19+00:00

TRP promotes an older female ideology, that was intended to artificially inflate the value of pussy and restrict access to it via slut shaming and double sexual standards, in order to dupe men into believing that exclusive access to one, was worth a life time of payment, protection and toil.

SlippyToadsWildRide · 2015-03-26T14:20:58+00:00

Kind of late to this, but hopefully its seen.

The tl;dr answer is that it's rooted in evolution with the need to pass on your own genes, as well as the ingrained fear of fathering another man's child.

You touched on it in your OP with pregnancy, but then dismissed it because you thought contraception made what we feel deep down obsolete.

You have to realize that instincts that culminated in over 100,000+ years of evolution don't just go away because we now have new technology. That innate feeling is still going to be there.

So imagine it's a long time ago. Birth control doesn't exist, and there's no STD testing. Women have to be a LOT more selective with casual sex for obvious reasons. The "cost" of sex is incredibly high for women, due to the risk of getting pregnant. This is one of the reasons why women seek out men with the best genes for casual sex. If he impregnates her, his superior genes will offer the best odds of the child to survive (thus passing on the WOMAN's genes as well). It also explains why women are less choosy for LTRs, since all she needs for that is someone with resources and the willingness to stick around - something that's much more common in men. This also increases the chances of her genes being passed on.

Now that we know the women's POV, let's look at the man's, since this will ultimately answer your question.

Men are less choosy when it comes to casual sex, since the "cost" of sex is a lot lower for them than it is for women. Also, fucking as many women as possible maximizes the chance of their genes being passed on, so it's a common strategy for men who are attractive enough to do so. However, men are more choosy when it comes to LTRs, because there is no guarantee their child will be theirs. So they screen for women who will be less likely to cuckold them, in order to maximize the chances of their genes being passed on (especially if they're unable to fuck a lot of women).

So when a man encounters a promiscuous woman, his instincts are telling him not to commit to her for anything beyond sex for any of the following reasons: she could be pregnant already and trick you into thinking it's yours and your genes won't be passed on, she could cheat on you and get pregnant and you'll never know and your genes won't be passed on, she could be carrying a disease and you'll never know and you could die and your genes won't be passed on.

tl;dr: People will do things that they instinctually believe will increase the chances of their genes being passed on, and committing to a promiscuous woman lowers the chances of that happening.

[deleted] · 2015-03-26T21:27:38+00:00

I'm the furthest thing from red piller, but the bottom line is, if you just have sex with tons of strangers, you have low standards, you're easy and you don't respect yourself (slut). If however, you are able to achieve intimacy with people that others find desirable, you have some measure of respect (stud). But this is not a personal opinion, AFAI am concerned, if more people fucked more, we wouldn't lose much. Let me give you an example of a woman being a stud: Keira Knightley ordered the producers of PotC to let her kiss Johnny Depp in the ending of movie 2, because she "collected kisses of powerful men". And if she can do that, good for her. I mean, I don't really care, but she made out with more celebrities than me.

Why is TRP so critical of women

Because TRP sees women as inferior

while men are encouraged to "spin plates" all the time?

Sane people encourage stable relationships in everyone.

Phokus1983 · 2015-03-26T02:56:32+00:00

It's been on my mind. Why is TRP so critical of women that have had several sex partners while men are encouraged to "spin plates" all the time?

Because many of these men were looking for committed relationships but found out that modern women aren't worthy of commitment and now want to bring the system down (This is what Heartsie advocates btw).

[deleted] · 2015-03-26T13:55:04+00:00

Having sex with lots and lots of men is easy. Ask any 21 year old woman or any gay man. You don't have to be particularly good looking, just have the appropriate orifice.

Load up Grindr (the gay Tinder) and see how far away the nearest guy who is good to go is.

Having sex with lots and lots of women isn't nearly easy. You have to be the hottest guy around to pull it off.

ReddishBlack · 2015-03-26T02:51:38+00:00

There is an inherent disgust that I feel when someone acts like a slut. It strikes the pallet as a desperate, low impulse controlling, socially inept, intellectually stunted activity reserved exclusively for those with damaged self worth.

BrewPounder · 2015-03-26T01:38:57+00:00

RP Response: Being a "Stud" take skill and time , while being a "Slut" takes being somewhat pretty and open. The better worker should get more praise.

More realistic response: RP people would probably like to get a LTR with a 9.5/10 who loves/is uncontrollably attracted to him thanks to his newfound knowledge. But PUA, like any skill, is mostly linked to work and experience. Experience in multiple short term/long term relationships,in that case. Hence being a relative Stud is not only encouraged,but required to be an accomplished RP follower.

ThirdEyeSqueegeed · 2015-03-26T09:51:42+00:00

There's several reasons for this. I think some of the newer members who rant about sluts are still in the anger phase and haven't accepted reality. They still cling to the blue pill fantasy of finding a unicorn and settling down with her, maybe starting a family and living happily ever after. Every story about a woman having sex with lots of men is another dagger in the heart of their fantasy. It's hard to kill that dream!

Others look more objectively and think that promiscuity is bad for society/civilization in general and that the traditional family unit is the best compromise for everyone. There's plenty of evidence showing that women who have slept around prior to marriage are less likely to be satisfied with their husband/a monogamous relationship increasing chances of divorce and breaking up families - this is pretty much where I stand on the argument.

In terms of spinning plates, I see this as men just being rational and looking after their own self interest. Why should men care about monogamy and what happens to society/civilization when women are not willing to curtail their own impulses?

Women also tend to spin plates, although less for sex and more for keeping men in reserve (orbiters) or having a harem of men fulfil different needs eg. one for sex, one who is a good listener (emotional tampon), one who is intellectual (possibly future husband material when he eventually becomes a millionaire), one who helps with her homework, one who is a good handyman, one who has good social connections, etc.

Also, on a previous thread I started some of the women mentioned that they would not want a man who is a virgin or who had to pay for sex as they would assume there must be something wrong with him if he is unable to get sex from other women. Given that, is it so wrong for men to question why a woman who has had lots of previous partners is unable to get commitment from these men?

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RichardPalma · 2015-03-31T21:48:57+00:00

It seems like promiscuity carries the same risks and reward amongst all genders

This makes no sense when you consider pregnancy. Women must carry the baby and invest themselves into the one baby for at least 9 months. Men can sire multiple children at one time. Also with women there is never a question of materinity while with the man there is a question of paternity.

Is this right given modern technology? Who knows. It just answers how men and women are different when it comes to sexuality. It's interesting to note that in species where the woman can mother more that one child by different fathers (e.g. cats) promiscuity is more common in females.

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Title	The "Slut vs. Stud" debate.
Author	BrewPounder
Upvotes	13
Comments	326
Date	March 26, 2015 12:50 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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