About Emma Watson

SunshineSundress · 2022-04-06T00:10:20+00:00

How can women embrace the ‘natural trad wife’ archetype if we are made to fear the natural changes a woman goes through in life? We don’t stay youthful virgins forever.

Love goggles. Here’s some relevant excerpts from the post, which can be found in this RPW sidebar/wiki-level post:

Just as beer goggles can make a drunk guy go home with a girl he wouldn't even look twice at if he were sober, the love goggles can make a husband look at his dear wife as if she is the femme fatale of his adolescent fantasies. If your partner loves and cherishes you, and you regularly shower him with affection, tenderness, and desire, you don't have to spend your days constantly worried that he's going to bang his secretary because you found a gray in your hair that morning; his love goggles won't notice.

Now, this isn't the blue-pilled bullshit that if a man really loves you, it's OK for you to gain 600 lbs and be a slob. No... if anything, you should feel inspired to be more like the woman he sees through his love goggles. The day after this conversation, I brought my red lipstick out of the bowels of my purse and bought a new push-up bra. :-)

I suppose it's worth saying, too, that the reverse of the love goggles is possible. You could be the hottest piece of ass in your zip code, but if you're a miserable shrew, you probably look like Freddie Krueger to him for making his life such waking nightmare.

Another takeaway I took from that sidebar post: yes, as we continue to age, men and society as a whole will begin to see us as less attractive than we were at our primes. This is why the aging starlet is an unenviable role: everyone in the world will constantly compare you to the extremely high prime that you once occupied, without much particular sympathy because they have no personal attachment towards you. But unless we messed up big time, and are still single in our late 40s, our goal usually shifts from trying to be attractive (and ultimately, lovable) to all men and society as a whole. Our new goal is to remain lovable and attractive to OUR man. And that’s where love goggles truly come in.

We sometimes get naysayers (read: anger-phase MGTOW/TRP guys who stumble onto here before the mods can shoo them back to r/TheRedPill 😂) who say that this is just us silly women being delusional about reality, but men themselves have waxed poetic about just how much they still love and find their wives of 10, 20+ years as beautiful as ever.

TLDR: Cultivating a heathy, loving, tender, and reciprocal relationship is how to get your man to overlook and embrace your inevitable aging.

(Personally, and non-seriously, I probably wouldn’t mind just a liiiittle bit of botox to help ease me into The Wall 😂)

CountTheBees · 2022-04-06T08:42:30+00:00

Here are my thoughts on the issue. The Wall is a physical confirmation of a nonphysical idea; that women are more privileged than men for the first part of their life, and the Wall is the point at which this privilege ends.

Young women are privileged, there's no two ways about it. Even if you're not a natural beauty, with the help of makeup, diet, and hairstyling (or even surgery/botox) you can instantly elevate your status in society to be higher than that of almost 90% of your male same-age counterparts. It is the loss of this status that hurts.

The problem is, when women speak of the Wall, it's as if they fear it because reduces their value *below normal human levels*. When the truth is, the Wall merely reduces to their value to a *normal human level*. Being ugly is the baseline, having people acknowledge that verbally and being invisible to strangers and not having the door held open for you or not having people smile at you or give you a second look is **normal**. Yet women feel that this treatment is inhumane! Because of all the years of privilege they've had.

So with that said, the furore about this picture of Emma Watson has two parts.

1) The lies about female beauty by the film/fashion/cosmetics industry. Women were outraged when someone developed an app for removing makeup. Men wanted to know what a girl would look like the morning after, and women didn't want their pretty-privilege to be taken away. There is a deliberate strategy of skewing expectations, and entire industries are based on fooling people into thinking someone is super hot when they're just normal, and making normal people feel like shit so that they buy <product>. For this reason many men prefer their girlfriend to wear no makeup even if it makes them look average. Hollywood and the fashion industry dress up a lot of very average looking people and sell them off as 9s and 10s when the reality is they're just normal people. So part of this is the shattering of the illusion Hollywood likes to sell. Do movie stars really look like that when they don't have perfect lighting, a makeup team, a hair team, and a stylist? Yes. Yes they do. How many times have you felt bad when you looked in the mirror because of that illusion? And how many times was it faked just to make you feel bad? All that hurt and anger comes out when the illusion fails.

2) Emma Watson's character and confirmation bias. She comes across as stuck up, privileged, and out of touch. I think both right and left kinda dislike her for one reason or another. When someone has an ugly character (supposedly) and an ugly face - well it's just poetic justice, isn't it? Which is why people latched on so harshly to her being ugly. Because people like to believe (as do I) that you can see a person's character on their face. It's why movie villains are often ugly. I'm not saying that all bad people are ugly or all good people are pretty, I'm saying that Emma Watson's ugliness was celebrated and amplified because she had a (seemingly) ugly personality to start with. If she was known to be a kind and sweet person, less people would have gleefully mocked her or reposted that pic. Take Britney Spears in 2007, or Katy Perry in 2010, (shows you the last time I cared about celeb gossip) who also had to deal with unflattering pictures, or the numerous other celebs with unflattering photos and the coverage they received. Search anyone and "no makeup" or "unflattering" and find hundreds of others. Those pictures were received based on the way people already thought of them. We see what we want to see. So if we believe a person is ugly on the inside, we will try to find and celebrate ugliness in their appearance.

So no, I don't think this is about all women hitting the wall or about women being held to an impossible standard. It's about Emma Watson, specifically, being mocked because people don't like her, and the breakdown of the Hollywood illusions. Society doesn't do this to women they like. A woman's looks is just the softest target to aim for when you want to take her down or hurt her.

KombuchaEnema · 2022-04-06T01:25:26+00:00

I have noticed something interesting about human behavior and I think it plays a role here.

If a girl asks shyly online, “I have a flat butt, will guys care? I’m so embarrassed about it.”

She gets hundreds of messages (from men) telling her she’s fine the way she is, she is beautiful, she will find someone who loves her, don’t worry about it, etc.

On the other hand, if a girl with a flat butt posts a video of herself twerking talking about how she has a nice butt, men will flood into the comments section to roast her about her flat butt.

My conclusion: it’s less about how you look and more about how you present yourself. If a man loves a woman, or at least finds her to be someone he wants to protect, he will go to the ends of the Earth to explain away any bad photograph of her. He will still treat her like she’s still the sexiest thing on Earth.

Emma Watson is a known feminist and I think that’s playing a big role in how people are treating this entire situation. Society loves to tear people down who talk a big game and Emma Watson talks a big game when it comes to the whole “I don’t need a man, men suck” rhetoric.

aussiedollface2 · 2022-04-06T06:27:11+00:00

As a former very slim person (BMI 17), it doesn’t look cute once you’re over 30 (my BMI now is 22). When you’re young the baby fat in your face hides the gauntness and looks great with a slim body. I think she’s a little underweight and might look younger with a bit more weight on her face. There’s a famous quote about choosing your “fanny or your face” but I forget who said that!

LateralThinker13 · 2022-04-08T15:20:47+00:00

How can women embrace the ‘natural trad wife’ archetype if we are made to fear the natural changes a woman goes through in life? We don’t stay youthful virgins forever.

Do you understand how The Wall works? It's when a woman's looks and physical desirability, along with her fertility, start rapidly declining (at least compared to 20-somethings) at around 30. THe reason it's a thing is because plenty of women (most?) are short-sighted enough to think that their privileged, desirable status in their 20s will last forever, because it's all they ever knew, and so they don't cultivate any other worth and don't commit to a HVM while they are still desirable.

Then they find themselves out of the prime dating market and get to play catch-up on a battlefield they are completely unprepared for. It hits like running into a brick wall at full speed.

So what's the answer?

Then fuel this culture of making women fear aging more than anything to the point they pump their faces full of silicon & shudder at pregnancy.”

The answer? Be desirable for more than your physical looks.

It's not that hard. Acting feminine, STFU, submission, being a soft place to land, knowing how to cook/clean/care for a man, all of this has nothing to do with your looks or virginity.

Women who pump themselves with silicon and fear pregnancy are women who have nothing else to offer other than their sexual bodies, full stop. A tradcon/RPW offers more than sex - she's a HVW, competent and supportive and feminine and submissive in ways the average BP thot can't even comprehend.

EDIT:

“Conservatives talk all day about how they want women to be mothers, to settle down, be more natural etc. Then fuel this culture of making women fear aging more than anything to the point they pump their faces full of silicon & shudder at pregnancy.”

Upon reflection, I need to add to this. Your statement is that Conservatives fuel a culture of women fearing aging. This is woefully inaccurate and incomplete. They tell women to fear aging IF their physical youth and sexuality are all they have to offer a man. And they do this because for many young women in this entitled day and age, and for all the QUEENS out there, that IS all they have to offer.

It's that simple. If your value is based around your sexual attractiveness and nothing else, then you SHOULD fear aging with visceral terror. But if you've cultivated worth in ways that age well (the aforementioned submission, support, care, domestic skills, etc., i.e. in ways that support and nurture a healthy LTR) you're in good standing.

sunny_autumn_morning · 2022-04-06T00:39:29+00:00

There's lots of comments here about wife goggles and marrying early and having kids. And that's...fine I guess. But misses the point a little I think. I got married in my early 20s and had all my kids before I turned 30. I don't doubt my husband's love and faithfulness to me. But that really doesn't make aging easier and it doesn't make people any less likely to make negative remarks about your appearance. And doesn't change your own perception of your looks and your value.

I didn't know how vain I was until I really started noticing signs of aging in my body. I obviously expected I would age, but I'm having a much harder time coming to terms with it than I expected to. I can probably point to ways that the culture I've grown up in and lived in forced these unrealistic expectations on me, but ultimately that's not super helpful. I've got to figure out how to change my own mindset and how to model a healthier attitude for my daughters. It's easier said than done when women are judged so heavily on their appearance, and when I'm also guilty of making those judgements.

Key-Progress-8873 · 2022-04-06T00:19:49+00:00

The pic you are referring to is making the rounds because Emma Watson is also known as a man hating feminist, so naturally anti-feminists will use this chance to mock her. Personally I think this is pathetic and I actually pity Emma Watson. She had her childhood stolen from her by Hollywood and hardly got to see anything resembling normality in her life. A cocktail of drugs, alcohol and meds will make you look like a dessicated corpse on a bad day.

Also I quickly thought of Brandon Fraser when I saw the pic. For a while a pic of him looking fat, tired and balding was also making the rounds. Interestingly, I saw a lot of women defending him and saying warm things about him like how aging doesn’t spare anyone and how he is still a great guy. More recently he has turned things around and looks quite attractive again.

Bottom line to me is that women are more mature about aging than men, certainly online. And terminally online men are bitter and petty.

Anonymous_fiend · 2022-04-06T00:27:08+00:00

That’s why it’s important to marry in your 20s. If you find a good husband, keep a healthy feminine appearance, and treat him well there’s usually no issues. Wife googles is definitely a thing. Attraction is more than just physical appearance. A lot of women let themselves go, have dead bedrooms, and become disrespectful. That’s what kills attraction.

Most trads reject modern culture so most don’t fear it as much. Women’s value is more than just looks. As an older woman you still contribute to your community and are respected. Views of women have changed for the worst.

Although when men say they want natural they don’t actually mean natural. They mean light natural makeup, a little bit of Botox to slow aging, maybe some highlights, etc.

titlejunk · 2022-04-06T02:48:55+00:00

I’m 44. So according to all RP ideas, I’m passed the “wall”.

I think about that every day. I look in the mirror and worry about it.

My husband assures me that he is still strongly attracted to me and frankly I know that I’m still attractive.

But… the end is near. Very near.

I have no answers for you. I know my husband loves me and will remain devoted. I also know that soon I will stop turning heads and that will hurt.

It will hurt my ego because I gave up my career to be with a man. It was a good decision but it will also leave me with nothing of value once my beauty fades.

I’ll be worth nothing. I will be able to grow plants, cook food, care for children and animals. But I won’t be earning money.

I want to wrap up this essay with a cute summary. It hurts and I don’t know what’s next. I guess that’s the summary.

Wolfssenger · 2022-04-06T00:35:46+00:00

While I agree that there's definitely some hypocrisy here, I don't think it's quite that simple.

Though I doubt many of them would be able to articulate it, it's likely that some of the ire and irreverence comes from the notion that she's aging without having done what a traditional woman should do by the time she begins to really age, i.e. build a family or at least have started doing so.

I don't have much information on this situation so it might just be nastiness, but a lot of the 90iq "make fun of women for looking old" behavior does have its roots in this idea.

Lando_620 · 2022-04-06T02:14:18+00:00

I think that some certainly are mocking her in that manner, however, I didn't see that as the primary message. I saw it as less of a be fearful of aging and more a critique on how these lefty ideas seem to poison ones an entire mentality and that often bleeds into their physical health. It is like an artificial accelerator of the aging process thus they look more sickly or withered. I think Ellen Page is a much better example of this as she literally looks drugged out walking zombie...this concept to me is what the driving force was to the Emma Watson situation.

Additionally, on the male side of the redpill, which has a much greater array of solution paths then the trad route...it was a prime example to them of the wall and how left leaning woman tend to hit it at full force. Those types of men are quick to jump on it as Emma has very much supported the modern lefty ideals.

Honestly, I think most of redpill men get the idea of the wall wrong or at least they don't know how to articulate it other than to say women become ugly or unattractive. I view the wall more as a youthful glow that triggers a primal urge in men. That urge is responsible for the "Damn, I want fuck that!" AKA Baby making / breeding impulse. When a women hits the wall that thought changes to, "She's hot, I'd fuck her." That simply change by the majority of men is what is a women's wall moment, it doesn't mean she is ugly, or suddenly repulsive, merely that the primal part of the male brain no longer compels men to gain her attention. That loss of attention is the difference and women should ideally find a man to build a pair bond with before that happens.

Tem_a · 2022-04-06T12:29:56+00:00

Am i the only one here who doesn't find the pic to be that bad? (Combination of bad lighting and a bad angle) I am young and beautiful and sometimes i take accidental pics from unflattering angles and i can barely recognise myself.. what's the big deal?

Sunshine12e · 2022-04-06T12:40:22+00:00

Probably an eating disorder.

CCloudds · 2022-04-06T03:43:41+00:00

Veganism

06534956 · 2022-04-06T00:28:15+00:00

Be exactly who you are and who you want to be, and add in different flavors as you see fit.

These men are reacting to a picture, a moment caught in time and on film. It’s not actually HER that they’re reacting to. They can’t see how she moves, smiles, the glint in her eyes, how she smells and breathes. That is our feminine essence and what is so intoxicating to men.

We all have our moments of looking like shit, just as we have our moments of looking insanely beautiful. It can happen in the same night, or even in the same second. We exist in a constant flow.

Embracing that is what makes a man fall in love, and getting the hell away from toxic messaging that says you must be one or the other.

Yeah, it’s a good idea to keep yourself together and be healthy. Beauty follows health. Healthy people age well. That’s what is most important.

DeLovehlyCoconute · 2022-04-06T02:27:16+00:00

It's not so much about naturally aging as Emma Watson is vegan and clearly letting herself go. This is resulting in her looking much older than her age. We shouldn't fear aging but we should fear letting ourselves go to the extent where it makes us look 50 when we're 30. We should look 50 at 50!

lavachequirie · 2022-04-06T00:10:04+00:00

Amen sis, my goodness. The way our culture treats aging is a true shame. A good man will love you throughout all the stages of your life.

ETA: I think the argument is that Emma Watson hasn't had any kids yet and is very liberal with no values for family or motherhood, etc. I don't think it's appropriate to make fun of anyone's looks but that's why conservatives make fun of her.

aussiedollface2 · 2022-04-06T06:07:08+00:00

Love goggles are def a thing. Get a man to love you when you’re young and beautiful and he will always see you that way. I personally feel like men struggle to fall in love when you’re older because they never knew you/saw you at your best. Just my opinion/ observation xo

Bubbly_Window_6719 · 2022-04-06T14:12:21+00:00

Once elderly people were few. Their exeptional age made them revered, knowledgable voices of wisdom. Nowadays the wisdom of old people gets mocked, called outdated etc. that increases the picture tenfold.

_Stoner420_ · 2022-04-09T23:41:51+00:00

The whole point of the aging scare is to alert women of their maternal prime years.

Leaving settling down with a family too late is a major loss

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