I recently signed up as a sugar daddy, I learnt some things.

Obediah_Stane · 2019-10-20T19:18:25+00:00

This is why I resigned to never get married ever. Men learn from their mistakes. Wise men learn from others' mistakes.

russian_nigger · 2019-10-20T20:11:41+00:00

if you look at escorts classifieds around the world, most of them hide their faces and even in higher end brothels in Europe. most of them are younger 18-22 and are full time students or have actual jobs. they do this part time and many have cucked boyfriends that know nothing about them being whores. many girls will travel in off school season, summer break to touristy places in their country and whore for the season only to go back to school afterwards and to their families/boyfriends. i know this from personal experience of traveling and hanging out with these girls.

a good friend of mine met a chick from seeking arrangement and her profile was just as the op described. yet she had 4 kids, she was 39, and a long term boyfriend that knew nothing is her whoring. she actually tried playing my homie to cuck him into dating her lol and said she'd leave her man, because my friend is doing very well financially and she'd hit a jackpot with him

Ochialoc · 2019-10-20T19:59:40+00:00

While reading the comments I realized that people are missing one key point. There's no free meal. If you have to train, be a bodybuilder, enter games and what not you are not fucking for free. You may not be paying money, but you are giving your time. OP was clear. Those fucks cost him two working hours. If you have to seduce, have dinner or go on a date just to fuck you paid more than 2 hours of your time to fuck.

Bottom line is simple. We use skill to produce value. In two hours he create the worth necessary to fuck a 9.

Thotwrecker · 2019-10-21T07:24:12+00:00

Prostitutes will always be an interesting topic for TRP. There are two problems with trying to discuss this with TRPers -

1 - VERY few people have ever reached the point where time >> money, and specifically, interesting experiences >>> money. It's a paradigm that you can conceptually understand, but until you really experience it specifically with women, it's all just conceptual to you.

People here who are asking for advice on TRP or posting strategies, etc, they tend to undervalue their time. It's apparent in any post, and the answer is, well, if you fucking valued your time, you wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. They don't put a premium on their time. Until you make enough money to where you hire a maid and just sit and enjoy a coffee and watch the bitch clean, you won't understand the joy of getting 4 hours of work done with 1 hour of your salary.

Reddit has dumb whiny low T boys paying 200 / hr to see their therapists. You know what would be some better therapy, spending that 200 to pop a few inside of a woman that's out of their league physically. A good massage and a good nut will do a lot more for you than discussing "mindfulness" with a clock-watching academic.

People don't understand that the reason every man should pay for a couple pro fucks in their life is not because it's "worth it". Of course it's not worth it, it's pussy, you are horny for it about 8 minutes later. It's less satiating than a hamburger. You should do it because it's a mind-fucking experience that opens your closeted, adult, hardened mind up to new attitudes and perspectives. These experiences are what justify the cost. Of course her pussy isn't work 200 bucks. Internalizing the fact that it's no big deal to stuff your dick in a 9, and understanding how to view sex selfishly - that is a lesson worth 200 bucks.

2 - The real downside is arrested development. That's it. This is very simple, and I'll deliver this with as little moralizing as possible -- the reason you don't fuck prostitutes whether that's a stream of high end escorts, or that's moving to SEA and fucking massage girls all day, is it ARRESTS YOUR DEVELOPMENT, as men only develop as far as they need to in order to secure pussy. Maybe you can still go to the gym, work with the same manic hungry energy, and push yourself to be the highest SMV male you can be. But, I know these guys, I know some of these old rich dudes that just arrange their pussy. Wouldn't wanna be em + they always get soft and fall for pussy.

Their development gets arrested, they lose sharpness and masculinity by not actually needing to "collide" with the SMP and face realities, and they wind up adopting fairly BP attitudes. Girls work them over, they get soft and they never develop past this "quasi RP" of "I can work hard as a beta in the economy, make money, and then give that money to women so they want to fuck me" mentality. That mentality is not that bad, it's a hell of a lot better than a straight up supplicative beta mentality. But, you know, it's not that good either.

again543 · 2019-10-20T20:40:04+00:00

This is nothing new im "poor" by all standards but very frugal so have some money to spend on b.s. i been doing this for the past 10 years and im not even on a website like SA these girls are fucking CHADS for free so the fact that they get 100 or 200 bucks out of you is a super win for them. They either have to work at walmart all week and only make $200 after taxes or they can come fuck you for 20 minutes and get $100 cash. Yes you are completelly right its all transactional to them. I just make friends with who ever i find attractive and once shes comfortable with me i ask if they ever heard of sugar daddys and slowly work my way in from there. At first they all refuse it but in the end they all go for it off their own free will. Their biggest worry is being seen as "sluts" they all say but after the first few times they have no issue with it. To top it off these are not hookers just normal woman under 26 years old

The funny thing is everything in trp is true they fuck chads for free and make bettas pay.

papiwithbeard · 2019-10-21T06:27:05+00:00

The only TRP truth in this post is the very last paragraph and it is not new whatsoever. The rest is just about paying for sex like every beta with a comfortable income could. You are right about the fact, that the highest quality women want to submit (exclusively) to the highest/ higher quality man and you are right that value creates attraction. It is just that you are not providing real value, you are just providing. And these women try to attract customers, that is why they need to present their value in the most successful way. These women will not submit more to you than to any other middle aged man who has the right amount of green in his pockets and that is not smelly or does look like he is murdering kids in his spare time.
They would not submit to you without you paying for them and frankly put, you act like a sheep in a wolf’s fur, acting alpha, when in fact you need to cheat your way into their beds (or cheat them into your bed, respectively).

Edit: I do have to give you this though: Your post is the perfect example for the fact that we can never know what even the top tier women have done in the past and that we therefore alsways have to be attentive. Also don’t get me wrong - I don’t judge your choice. Do your thing if it is sustainable for you. Just keep in mind that you’re providing for the luxury lingerie and bedsheets these girls are fucked in and (on, respectively) by alphas for free.

GisforJumping · 2019-10-20T17:07:30+00:00

Very interesting solution to sex if you have the capital. I'm sure everyone is wondering, for a 7/8, what is the average out of pocket cost per sex night (including startup/seduction costs)? And how do you protect against STDs considering you're sharing these girls with dozens of guys relative to a non-whore site girl ?

nobody_thinks · 2019-10-20T18:58:15+00:00

how much are you paying? Give us a number u tease.

666Evo · 2019-10-20T23:09:44+00:00

I NEVER want to marry again and I'm unlikely to commit to a long term relationship again...

IANAL but just so you're aware, de facto relationships are basically the same as marriages here. If you do commit to a long term relationship, keep separate residences, separate finances, separate everything.

Any regular financial commitment (she buys the groceries etc) from her to you essentially locks you in.

Anybody who thinks Australia is some bastion of masculinity, think again.

rollinterror666 · 2019-10-21T19:31:45+00:00

Dude anyone can fuck whores for money. Don't be deceived they fancy you

redditispathetic123 · 2019-10-20T19:26:26+00:00

Guide to being a doormat for girls with more steps. Truly a disgusting and beta post. These bitches don't give a single fuck about you. Go hit the gym and earn real adoration from people. Taking the easy way out and giving these whores exactly what they want and becoming their beta buxx...

And this is 90% upvoted lmao, I guess its time to move on from this subreddit

Quaternionz · 2019-10-22T08:56:02+00:00

Fellow SA user here.

I’m glad you found something that works for you, especially with a kid and after a divorce. However (and I mean this in a kind constructive way): You’re doing it wrong on SA. You’re being played by that whole system/culture, when you could be the one playing that whole system/culture.

I’ve been on SA for a long while, so I’m speaking from personal experience.

Don’t pay the girls anything. You sound like a solid dude. You should have more dignity than that. Even if you can competently spit a little game to sweeten the deal for her, when you nakedly pay cash for sex you tremendously devalue yourself in the girl’s eyes, in the community’s eyes, and in own your own eyes.

Even if the amount of money is trivial for you it’s still repulsive to TRP principles to ever pay for sex. You are the prize, always, even on SA.

A huge population of the top shelf 18-24 year olds on SA will be willing to meet you just to enjoy being in the presence of a mature masculine guy who has his shit together, who isn’t a child like the average college fuck boy, and who isn’t a lonely, depressed, rich 57 year old like the average SA user.

The correct amount to bargain for on SA is $0.

If you end up paying for dinner or drinks then fine, but you’re not paying for sex or making an “arrangement” in that scenario. You’re picking up the tab because that’s what normal human beings do when one human is 33 and loaded while the other human is 19 and broke. This is just the social norm whether it’s a family member with a child, or a business mentor with an intern, or whatever else. Don’t make it more than it is.

On SA you open with some cute line riffing off of her profile. You banter a bit. If she pushes on money you say “Look, you seem cool, but I really don’t discuss money over the internet like this. Text chatting is alright, but I don’t really know you. I’d be down for drinks though. Are you around this weekend?”

If she pushes you further you say “Look, I know there are a batshit crazy, lonely, rich, desperate guys on here who will throw money at you. You can do that this weekend if you want, or we can go get dinner.”

That the key is to acknowledge how fucked up and dysfunctional the whole sex-for-cash scenario is. You openly acknowledge and disparage the nature of the site. By doing so you set yourself apart from the rest of the less savory male community on there. No girl on SA really enjoys whoring herself out for money, so let her know that you’re “in on it” in terms of understanding how awful the whole thing is. Suddenly it’s no longer a PPM or an allowance. Now it’s “Lol, this guys is normal and gets how shitty this experience is for me. Maybe this will actually be a nice diner.”

You’ll get one of two responses when you try this opener and hold your ground at $0. Naturally, SA being what it is, you’ll get a lot of “Hahah, fuck right off cheapskate. Don’t you know what this site is for?” That’s the response you’ll get it if the girl has zero attraction, or if she’s really committed to literally being a whore for whatever whacky fucked up reason. And then there’s an in-between situation where the girl is attracted but is also in some immediate financial distress and needs money ASAP to pay rent or food.

Either which way, you want none of any of that. Next her.

The other response you’ll get, exceedingly often, will be “Lol, sure. I could do drinks this weekend.”

Even if the girl is looking for sugar daddy arrangements, she’s still on bumble or whatever looking for normal dates. Now she’s found a normal date, it just happened to be from SA.

When you go on your date be sure to ask her about her experiences on the site. Ask her what the craziest most fucked up thing she’s ever done on there was. Be really nonchalant about it. “I bet it’s really fucked, whatever it is. <take a sip of your drink and casually say something unrelated to the bar tender>.”

Most girls on there have gotten roped into doing femdom stuff like pegging or whatever, even if they didn’t enjoy it (because of course they didn’t, because girls aren’t dominant). Or they’ve slept with dudes who were open about the fact that they’re in a dead bedroom and they’re on SA cheating, and it was really lame/uncomfortable.”

SA is generally a shit show. Don’t be part of the shit show, be “in on it” with her.

Do this all over a $10 meal at some hipster Mexican place, and then take her back to your place for a movie and a lay. It’s just a normal date.

The upside on SA is that you have 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s who will engage in droves with a high hit rate because they’re ostensibly looking for money, as you already know.

But again, the negotiating price is $0. If she doesn’t budge you move on. There are so many girls on there that in a 30 minute browsing session you can always find one who is willing to meet for $0.

Once you have the date failure is pretty much impossible. Young girls are just too easy to game once you have your foot even an inch in the door. SA is handy because it makes it so easy to get past step #1 compared to tinder or bumble.

Again, the negotiating price is $0.

It’s common that girls will keep coming back for more, even with no money being thrown around. Young women who finding themselves either needing or wanting to whore themselves out for cash naturally have very hectic unstable lives. Lots of family abuse/drama. Deadbeat no-show dads. Whore moms who are sometimes also on SA whoring it up (like mother like daughter). Poverty. Etc...

A solid, stable, mature dude with decent game a nice place to chill will be very attractive all on its own.

It starts out that you’re ostensibly supposed to be paying for sex with cash, but they end up paying for your presence/stability with sex.

Flip the script. You’re the prize, even on SA.

But then again, you seem to already have a stable consistent routine on there, and goodness knows fucking top shelf 23 year olds is good for the soul, so godspeed to you sir.

SeasonedRP · 2019-10-21T09:55:44+00:00

Those who disagree with the OP's approach here aren't adequately taking into account his situation. He has primary custody of his 2.5 year old son. He's not looking to remarry, and he doesn't have the time to invest in developing and spinning plates. He doesn't want to have women in and out of his house with his son around, and it would be irresponsible to go out at nights regularly instead of caring for his son. Sugar daddy arrangements suit his personal circumstances, so why not? Too many get caught up in overanalyzing whether something is "alpha" or "beta" and lose sight of the big picture. The man has a successful career and a very young son to care for, and wants companionship on his terms. This works for him. It wouldn't surprise me if he moves into more plate spinning as his son gets older.

independent_rooster · 2019-10-20T20:25:51+00:00

feminism has won lol

interesting story, dude

slip-down · 2019-10-21T15:16:48+00:00

The point I got from this post, is not paying for sex, but how easily women can get sex for rewards. Let this be a reinforcement lesson for all of us. Women know that their most powerful tool is sex. They manipulate every situation with it when it comes to men. Your coworker, your friends, your "friends" etc. They are biologically wired to do this and men are wired to be manipulated by it. To me, the men who raise up against this manipulation is the winner in life.

NarrowBath7 · 2019-10-21T00:40:16+00:00

lol you fucked prostitutes

ultrasuperthrowaway · 2019-10-21T03:13:42+00:00

Sucks that you have to pay for the same girls we bang for free while we have the same job

mickenrorty · 2019-10-20T20:10:50+00:00

let me put it like this to you bro. if you're paying to fuck 9s and 10s but don't regularly get a 9s and 10s in real life..... thats beta as fuck. cos then we all know deep down you're taking the easy way out.

however, if you're paying for pussy cos you TRULY have been there done that and are just tryna get your rocks off with a hottie and then chuck her to the side of the road, for your 100% own sexual pleasure, then more power to you.

i think the point of contention for people in this thread is that it's hard to believe that a little tiny part of you isn't doing this cos it's validating to fuck a 9 or a 10, as opposed to it just being cos if your'e paying you want the hottest ass you can get to get yourself off. if you're doing it for the validation then it's very beta obviously.

SoloQueueXL · 2019-10-20T19:17:50+00:00

Pay for pussy... nah rather buy an trip around the world and fuck 3rd world country women for cheaper.

Took the easy way out don’t share this, and also you have no value. You offer money for sex, as beta as they get. The price women set is the same as people at garage sales, offer higher than the worth of the item with the real price in mind (your offer) .

You’ve learned nothing

andreas-mgtow · 2019-10-21T17:09:13+00:00

I realised maybe 33% of our young women were available as whores for the right 'arrangement'.

That's an understatement. Closer to 100% in normal civ population. Just need the right offer and plausible deniability.

fugued · 2019-10-21T19:05:42+00:00

Clever sales pitch for Seeking Arrangements.

RadRandy234 · 2019-10-26T19:59:17+00:00

Mickenrorty, I'd be willing to bet the majority of detractors on here are in their teens/twenties and haven't quite hit their sweet spot financially/careerwise. Folks, this a basic trade of time for money. Let's not kid ourselves and hide the fact that the majority of the stress of FWB's is removed in this scenario.

The fact that he's trading an hour of two of his work time for sex makes sense to HIM. This also doesn't mean he can't approach a woman outside of SA if the opportunity arrises. $200 is pocket change for a man on his mission, and the amount of time and energy that goes into spinning plates will take you off your purpose and will COST YOU MONEY.

I applaud OP for sharing this experience and anyone calling a fit guy, who loves his kid, and a shitload of cash in the bank "beta" for a $200 lay is a fool. OP, don't abandon your hunger and drive for the betterment of yourself in the sexual marketplace, but if you want to supplement your strategy w/ a few 9's and 10's and are enjoying yourself, godspeed my friend.

TRP is about options and not becoming a lemming, don't throw shade on someone who has more resources than you who may be taking a different approach.

GenieInTheJar · 2019-10-20T17:13:17+00:00

Good post, kinda motivating. And also great reminder that our (modern) society is actually amazing if you know what to do and how to adapt to it.

barserek · 2019-10-21T13:41:32+00:00

You've got balls to admit this in here OP. Congrats on that.

I've got a friend who has more money than he will be able to spend in 3 lifetimes. He lives in a 5 star hotel and basically does whatever the fuck he wants to all day. He's good looking, fit.

He fucks seeking girls everyday. I'm talking supermodel, magazine cover girls. They'll come to his hotel, have a drink, name their price and then proceed to do the nastiest shit you've heard of.

When I ask him, why pay for sex? Why not just go out and talk to girls? You could probably have sex with gorgeous women anyway, he says: "Why wouldn't I pay these chicks? Go out to some horrible club with crap music, talk to some entitled bitch who will play mind games with me for an hour to maybe, if I do everything right, have sex? To me, this is practically free."

A few thousand bucks is like pocket change to him. So in his world, fucking these 10 girls, is pretty much free. There is NO EFFORT from him. No investment. No neediness. No pretending, acting, gaming, push pulling, neggin or anything.

Isn't this the definition of being alpha? He just doesn't give a shit. He wants his balls sucked, he'll have a a supermodel blowing him in 5 minutes. He's just using the one advantage he has over everybody else in this country. He's a fucking billionaire. Why wouln't he use it? To prove a point? To get "validated" for his what, personality?

I myself have never payed for sex, but It's hard to argue with his logic. Just throwing this out there.

Rkingpin · 2019-10-20T17:28:57+00:00

Paying directly for pussy is the lazy way out

Seduction is part of the game, buying vagina is beta

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LSTrades · 2019-10-20T20:56:29+00:00

Hey OP, how much of a "$ donation" were these girls looking for?

Zech4riah · 2019-10-24T09:24:41+00:00

I've already decided before that when I turn ~50-60yo, this is my way to go because in reality, around that age, it becomes too much of a challenge to game 20 year olds no matter how fit and groomed you are. Obviosly money isn't a problem at that age.

Also I think that there is a good chance that you could turn sugardaddy-babe relationship to a "normal" one if you game her properly over the few months of time. Any thoughts on this?

SmilingWatermelon · 2019-11-03T16:01:27+00:00

How much do you spend for their time? I'm legitimately curious, id rather this than an escort.

exscionewhuman · 2019-10-21T03:25:04+00:00

I think, for those of us who have been abused of the notion of trust.... we didn't know that's what we wanted, or how much it would affect us to be betrayed. We get cheap sex and "drain our balls". Your frame is weak. The only thing of real value in this life is trust. You are paying to avoid your fear that you will never be able to trust someone again. Worst of all, you let go an opportunity, to have what you really wanted... because you were afraid. Get back to me in a decade of fucking hookers and I guarantee you, you'll be right back where you started, but worse off, now you can never be honest, possibly completely lost the chance of any real connection... never going to change or grow, or learn to trust. It happens. Seen it.

Think most guys on this site are stuck in the anger phase. Totally understandable, but not to be admired. Trust and good people are out there. People who have higher frames than getting laid. People who sacrifice their lives for their frame. Like billionares... You might have never met one, but don't ever believe they don't exist.

Imperator_Red · 2019-10-20T16:49:09+00:00

and may have completely destroyed my minds inclination for pair bonding forever.

This only happens to women

But yea, crazy times.

Red_Pill_Brotherhood · 2019-10-21T01:03:22+00:00

So what is the methodology for using SA to fuck w/o paying? Just appearing to be wealthy while being younger and putting on the front about "my time and lessons taught is payment" like mentioned in the post?

throw_it_away_like · 2019-10-21T03:11:56+00:00

So you want to know why there are more STDs floating around and men are having less sex? This guy. I mean good job and stuff. It's just kind of weird though thinking about it.

PeterPansSyndrome · 2019-10-21T05:38:01+00:00

There's a lot of hate on this post. Good shit OP. This is one of my long term goals to have a couple regular sugar babies and focus my time into other pursuits.

Most guys hating on this have weird hangups about paying for pussy. The alpha/beta talks are autism on full display. The goal, for me at least, is pussy NSA. You got what you want. I'd be my left nut that the 2 women you fucked are objectively hotter than the women guys get from game and call HB8+.

mickenrorty · 2019-10-23T03:09:27+00:00

In your next post you're gonna say "GUYS!! I SWEAR, THE HOOKER GAVE THE MONEY BACK". Gtfo of here with posts like this.

Title	I recently signed up as a sugar daddy, I learnt some things.
Author	mickenrorty
Upvotes	247
Comments	183
Date	October 20, 2019 10:55 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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