Is it really better to be red pilled?

BlackjointnerD · 2021-11-25T20:04:16+00:00

As morpheus would say. Not everybody is ready to be unplugged. The truth is dark just as much as it is freeing.

makbvznx · 2021-11-25T19:46:22+00:00

Years ago when I was a 911 operator I got a call from a man who came home early to find his wife in bed with another man. I was young at the time (about 25) and couldn’t relate to his situation. But it was my responsibility to handle the call.

I spent an hour on the phone with him trying to convince him not to commit suicide. They had 3 kids together. Eventually he pulled the trigger.

Years later after finding TRP, I had a similar situation happen to me. It hit me hard and I felt intense depression and anxiety, but I accepted it and recovered pretty quickly. I always knew AWALT in the back of my head and never let myself fall too deep.

I’d argue the red pill is necessary for survival.

Indexxak · 2021-11-25T21:10:22+00:00

We had the discussion with a friend recently. Whether it's better to know or not to know. He said something along the lines of "I wouldn't mind not knowing, the problem is that it almost never produces the results you're after." which is true. In fact the only guys that I feel like have the results you would like to have are the ones that had good masculine roles in their life and are doing subconsciously what you could call being red pilled without knowing. Those guys don't need to know because they do know it already. It's like this joke of a paradox.

The problem is that most of us really gets raised mostly by women while any sign of masculinity gets suppressed these days. So there is very few of these guys. I never felt the butterflies or genuinely loved a girl since I swallowed the red pill. But I would personally take knowing what the hell I am dealing with every day of the week.

crowexplorer · 2021-11-25T19:53:40+00:00

At first I started reading your post and immediately thought "of course it's necessary, going through life not being red-pilled is like crossing a highway blindfolded. It might turn out ok, but that's a hell of risk.

Then I saw that you meant it more in a philosophical way. And I remember when I stopped believing in God. I now envy those people who are so certain that they're going to paradise someday, and I wonder if they're not actually better off than I am.

There's comfort in belief, but once you see the truth there's no going back.

PabloEscalera · 2021-11-25T19:45:28+00:00

Is it really better to be red pilled?

Depends, if you're being raised or have been raised by boomer parents like most people, the mating "advice" you've been given amounts to "GET HER FLOWERS, SON!", which is antiquated and obsolete. So yea most men are better off at least browsing TRP.

But at the same time, most guys who browse don't take action and revert to their BP ways or get caught in a rage filled circle jerk, so in that particular case they might have been better off not opening the Pandora's box.

Then at the higher level they might become someone who does know how to get laid but validates himself with pussy so much that he only pumps and dumps strictly out of outcome dependency and fear of getting cheated on. (nothing wrong with non fear motivated pumping and dumping though)

But possible bad outcomes notwithstanding, I'd say the answer is still yes

TakeHerToAGayBar · 2021-11-25T19:40:23+00:00

What's the alternative? To be blissfully ignorant? To wander in this jungle of life thinking that there are no predators around the corner until you eventually get eaten? Are you willing to bank on the lucky score of circumstances that will allow you to bypass the entirety of modern life dangers as an ignorant fool?

yellowmonkeyzx93 · 2021-11-26T01:39:17+00:00

"It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener in war."
~ Eastern Asian proverb

erwgv3g34 · 2021-11-25T20:04:36+00:00

Remember the Litany of Gendlin:

What is true is already so.
Owning up to it doesn't make it worse.
Not being open about it doesn't make it go away.
And because it's true, it is what is there to be interacted with.
Anything untrue isn't there to be lived.
People can stand what is true,
for they are already enduring it.

And the Litany of Tarski:

If the red pill is right about women,
I desire to believe that the red pill is right about women;
If the red pill is not right about women,
I desire to believe that the red pill is not right about women;
Let me not become attached to beliefs I may not want.

See also "Why Truth?" by Eliezer Yudkowsky.

TryingtoPassCivPro · 2021-11-25T20:08:33+00:00

I push back on the idea that its an emerging movement.

At best, the red pill is a weighing station for men. Sexual strategy in an amoral context has benefits, but quite limited. To be a great man, or even an honorable man, requires a life oriented toward a virtuous life. The red pill doesn't teach virtue, it may open individuals up to bigger questions, but questions TRP cannot answer because its not a worldview that incorporates morality.

So, no, TRP is not necessary. It never was and never will be. At best its useful for men to understand the society in which they live, but isn't even a prerequisite for this revelation. To be frank, it may not even be important.

RStonePT · 2021-11-26T01:15:10+00:00

The manosphere was integral in that trajectory. I needed to understand the nature of how women love; learning that immunized myself from ever needing a woman to love me

This doesn't make sense. Women love men all the time, the only thing we have in here is the caveat 'in the way you want them to' in other words, you can't replace your mother with another girl.

they asked if I thought red pill knowledge was a necessity; if, in order to be successful, men needed to be red pilled...

This is an easy answer. yes, no, maybe. Do you need to know how to repair an engine to survive in life? Do you need to know first aid? Do you need to know how to program? These aren't universal questions, but ones that may matter. They are all praxeologies in their own way, just like this. Some need some things, others need others, but everything you could possibly need is (or will be) written on another post, blog, video or book that men are writing right now. everything is optional, until it isn't, unless you figure it out yourself. Either way

If you aren't a man who women are throwing themselves at to begin with.... and if you're here- if you had to learn game- you probably aren't... you may still get laid; you may still get a girlfriend; you may still do well, but you'll never be the one she really wants- you're the one she can afford.

That's not how women think, at all. I'd suggest you go check /u/whisper and his post 'hypergamy is monogamy' because it's helpful for this errant mental model. Girls are simple creatures, they settle for the best. When they find the best (insofar as she feels it's the best) her ego invests. /u/archwinger even articulated it in 'chad doesn't just get her sexual best, but her emotional best too'

You've been around long enough to know this stuff, longer than me I am pretty sure.

Society was structed in a way that men did not have to be red pilled. People married young and never looked back;

And while I can't pin this down 100%. I have an idea that it's always been like this, the only difference is we have the internet to swap notes and see we aren't alone in our struggles. I see it all the time when some TRAD asshole talks about going back to the good old days, and everytime I go back I see the same thing. Thots were called flapper girls a century ago, who were jerking dudes off in absinthe houses 200 years ago, who were ... etc. I don't see anyting thats fundamentally changed, with the exception of working contraception and the separation of labour and productivity, which prevented girls from HAVING to rely on a man to survive, and having 100% control of when and where she has a kid.

They looked back, all the time. Lives of quiet desperation medicated by gambling and whores and alcohol existed in the past. Bored housewives fucking the milkman existed in the golden age. People separated all the time, the only difference was it wasn't a divorce. It was common enough that sitcoms and romcoms from the 60s and 70s had a trope where a couple fell in love and the woman had a horrible secret where she was still married and needed her husband to agree to the divorce so she could marry this great new man.

also, got a link to the cast? I'd love to see it

hardallthetime666 · 2021-11-26T02:31:25+00:00

Simply being Red Pill aware means that nothing a woman does will ever surprise you. This alone, imo, is a huge benefit.

Part of being a man is confronting the ugliest and toughest truths and living at peace with it.

Part of the issue with RP is the way you take TRP. Some people become perpetually stuck in anger phase and constantly slip back into it and that's wrong. Others will be at total peace with it, accept it as the ugly side of nature and honour and venerate the beauty of it all. Women still have lots to offer. Their nurturing, intuitive feminine nature can enrich your life, even if it is temporary. The only thing constant in life is change anyway, and if you aren't constantly in flow and getting too attached to things then life will continuously beat you up until you are ultimately able to accept the deepest truths of life.

Carl Jung once said to be wary of unearned wisdom. Learning RP truths without actually accumulating enough experiences that allowed you to naturally figure it all out with your own mental models create a fundamental disconnect that needs to be reconciled. That's the real issue.

People who are too high in neuroticism and agreeableness will ultimately fall victim to the darker side of RP. They become filled with rage, and they will agree with everything RP says instead of further investigating it and seek out the truth through experience, the greatest teacher of all. However men high in these traits (betas) are drawn to TRP in the first place. This is the fatal flaw of RP, imo. It's avoidable though, but it requires a great journey down to the depths of the Self.

ProFriendZoner · 2021-11-25T20:27:29+00:00

Yes it is.

It is better to have knowledge and not need it than to have no knowledge and need it.

Picture yourself on a cold, snowy night with a flat tire on a lonely road with no cell service.

You have the knowledge to change it and had never had to use that knowledge before, but now you can use it to change the tire and keep going on your journey only a little inconvenienced by the ordeal.

Same situation with no knowledge?

You're fucked.

You have to wait until someone with the knowledge comes by and there is no guarantee they are going to stop or if they do that they will help you out.

So yea, always go for the knowledge.

DoubleConversation4 · 2021-11-25T21:47:23+00:00

Religions are basically condensed simplifications of complex inner workings, intended to serve as a 'Life For Dummies' guide for every individual in a society. They only exist because a group of smart people looked at the society and thought for a long time about how it should operate and how its true potential could have been achieved. Societies who got them right survived, societies who didn't died right off. It already gives you everything you can wish for - a purpose in life, guidance on how to live your life, what to do to be happy. It basically integrates biology into culture (technically it does more than that), in a way, believing in the religion that has kept your society alive for hundreds of years already makes you 'Red-Pilled', because at the end of the day it's just a more simplified version of the truth. Technology is the same as religion, although far more unstable, as technology develops, it makes the gap of quality of life between the rich and the poor less significant by making everyone richer - one short example: oranges were a luxury in the past, now they just a cost a few dollars.

You do not need to be red pilled in the PUA sense to lead a happy life, that would mean that more intelligent people would always lead happier lives when we see that exact opposite is usually the case. Life is almost always better when it's more simple. Nature is the ethereal plane of all reality, when it gives you a burden, it also equips you with the means to overcome it. Culture is downstream biology in most cases. Life is already designed in a way that it would 'redpill' you. People start adopting more conservative beliefs as they get older. Cavemen didn't read guides on how to pass shit tests. At the end of the day it all really comes down to question of whether if you prefer the bitter truth or the sweet lie. I don't have any strong feelings about either. More understanding and more detail could give you on what to focus, like how you should lift to become more masculine and get more women, but that's already pretty much common knowledge.

Maleficent-Party-817 · 2021-11-26T05:33:54+00:00

“The strength of a person's spirit would then be measured by how much 'truth' he could tolerate, or more precisely, to what extent he needs to have it diluted, disguised, sweetened, muted, falsified.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

Timely_Ad_2311 · 2021-11-25T20:34:13+00:00

Im not sure what exactly are you struggling with ?

Is your life better now with redpill knowledge then before ?

^^ would that question answer your question...?

niatl · 2021-11-26T05:12:09+00:00

I get where you’re coming from but your post is equally true towards men. Most men are settling for women who are leagues below them since a 6-7/10 girl can land a 8-10/10 guy. Aren’t most of our partners the one we can only afford and not the one we really want? Isn’t that why when we become celebrities or ultra rich, most of us never stay loyal and just start sleeping with many women since we no longer have to settle for we can only ‘afford’? We can get the ones we TRULY want once we have that status but even then that’s sometimes not enough.

I think the only reason that the other celebrities and rich men who actually stay with their high school sweet heart is because they don’t believe the thousands of beautiful women who suddenly want them to not be gold diggers. I don’t think Bill Gates or any other billionaire thought their wife from before they got rich was the one he truly wanted - surely he wanted some 10/10 model he could’ve easily got but his not a fool.

If we lived in a society where men usually relied on the income of their partners then I bet most of these guys would’ve also left their high school sweet heart the second they got rich since they are no longer thinking about gold diggers.

My point is, and I’m honestly not trying to be argumentative here but just sharing my opinion, is that what you talked about in your post is a human trait and not just a female one. I’m happy to be convinced otherwise if somebody has a differing opinion here?

Whisper · 2021-11-26T02:15:05+00:00

Society was structed in a way that men did not have to be red pilled.

Wrong.

Society was structured in such a way that men were red pilled.

zino193 · 2021-11-26T05:46:36+00:00

You heard of the saying: a community of shared values is better for the individual because there is implicit trust between individuals within that community.

That's the blue pill conditioning, that's being a progressive if you're living in a liberal city, being a hipster if you're living the young corporate life, being literate if you're living the high end New York life or London posh lifestyle.

Are you fine with losing that base ground support? Are you fine with having to build your own community around you and getting fucked if you're wrong?

I was, as a 19 year old, I realized before a date that I was doing all the mental effort, while she is hedging her post date options. I realized the concept of frame for the first time - like waking up from autism - and saw that in "courting", in doing the socially expected thing - I was supplicating. That's why I had anxiety, that's why I was thinking of all the variables. I wasn't meeting someone I liked, I was meeting someone that judged me, evaluated me, defined my worth as a man... and we so casually call it "a date".

Mind you, I had no real issues hooking up, i always had wicked sly tongue and decent frame casually. But here I was, self-auctioning myself to a 7 - that was chasing me just 2 weeks ago. Everything flipped after we went on the "socially acceptable" path of dating. Shit was broke, and it wasn't me. It wasn't even her, she was just a regular girl, doing her thing, dating around, having fun. The system was broke, the sexual training wheels kids get put on. The whole rhetoric we get brainwashed by media from a very young age about how to interact with someone we like - was WRONG!

EnvironmentalNature2 · 2021-11-25T22:11:23+00:00

I’d say that the red pill is just society balancing itself out. When women started gaining rights , independence and sexual liberation it caused women to behave differently, now they have a new found set of barriers and with a different set of rules . I’ve noticed that as I began to understand red pill philosophy more I became more conservative socially. I would have boldly called myself a feminist 4 years ago. But understanding female nature made me understand so much about how the world worked and why ultimately, pretending that men and women are the same is hurting both men and women. We are really not that advanced as apes and also we are using technology that our caveman brains doesn’t fully comprehend . The red pill is a bitter pill , but in a world where we want to pretend that males and females are the same and therefore the same rules must apply, we need a reminder that we are really just cavemen

berryfarmer · 2021-11-25T23:42:57+00:00

For "the red pill" to have such animalistic, darwinian views, the anti child rearing rhetoric is quite an illogical paradox

theredsperg · 2021-11-26T08:26:24+00:00

If I didn't find the redpill, would I be happier? Probably would have avoided a long amount of time feeling hopeless, destroying friendships and relationships.

It's a toolkit, the best sex and fun I had was being redpilled. it makes it easier to face shitty life/moods. however, it's made it harder to trust women and even open up in relationships with others. taking the step to start lifting immensely changed my ability to feel confidence in myself, which was enough to get me back on track with life (even if the life i am living is still pretty shit0

I think personally, we all have to be careful to how cross cultured we get influenced, what works for a yankie american will be laughed at by a brit and vice versa.

Brozterr · 2021-11-26T12:32:41+00:00

Very often I feel like Cypher, I wish I would have chose the blue pill and I wish it'd be possible to forget everything and go back to live in a dream world.. He knows everything is a lie but he doesn't care, he wants to be happy..

waladoop · 2021-11-26T14:45:24+00:00

It's better to have a more accurate model of the world (if survival, and thriving are benchmarks to weigh against).

The red pill is supposed to be an objective understanding of sexual dynamics between men and women. You can be successful in anything without understanding but the odds of success are lower.

If you want to be successful in anything, thirst for truth and understanding, for you're always going to be better off.

dingleburry_joe · 2021-11-26T14:45:59+00:00

Bro is welcome to hell your book? Currently reading it

Yuri_TxM · 2021-11-25T21:04:47+00:00

Yes, it's really better to be red pilled. Our forefathers were but we let ourselves be dragged all the way down here.

Next question.

That-Potential-5684 · 2021-11-25T21:31:24+00:00

This sub fell so low even endorsed contributors wish they had taken the blue pill. Unbelievable.

LastRevision · 2021-11-25T20:34:51+00:00

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mper33 · 2022-05-26T04:51:16+00:00

Being Red-Pilled narrows the range of outcomes.

You will never have the illusion that you had a life-long, unconditional love from your soulmate(like some very, very lucky blue pill men get to experience on their death bed).

But on the same hand, you understand the nature of women - and if you can internalize this - it will save you from the huge downsides of the modern day dating market.

Being Red-Pilled mitigates risk, but caps the upside.

ClashaRama1 · 2021-11-25T21:30:35+00:00

Well, i slowly went from bluepill to redpill to now blackpill (after discovering wheat waffle). I am actually an above average guy when it comes to physic (a 7/10) and when i see girls being kind to me, laughing at my jokes, i know realize personality only is not the only factor into play.

My friend who is below average but who is funny and who have better social skills than me struggle a lot more with girls. He gave up on dating apps and i kind of feel bad for him.

My best friend on the other hand is a chad, he's also very good socially speaking and women will throw themselves at him.

Did i regret learning about the redpill, absolutely no, it helped me improved in all aspects in my life. On the other hand, i wish i stayed bluepill when it came to looks. I didn't really need to know that it was by far the #1 thing when it comes to attracting women.

Sure, it doesn't have a big impact on me but i could have been less lucky and started with bad cards at birth.

NetscapeNavigator01 · 2021-11-26T07:14:23+00:00

The only way to live is be incredibly self reliant, find happiness regularly from things you can control; money, traveling, hobbies, exercise etc. Let women come into your life and let them go. You have to swim with the current and let the intangibles happen as they may. If you want to get married and have kids do it, know in the back of your head that your wife may get tired if you and upend your plans- but the same thing goes if you get your dream job and get fired, you are a triathlete and lose your leg or have a heart attack. Life can and will throw bricks at you, there is no Leave it to Beaver family life paradise. Men who believe this are as delusional as obese women who expect to date Adonis looking millionaires

matagad · 2021-11-25T20:02:38+00:00

what the fuck is this bullshit. redpill isnt about the game and never was.

Lefanteriorascencion · 2021-11-25T23:27:32+00:00

All relationships are transactional. All women want the top male and there is always someone better in some category than you. It’s not your girl it’s just your turn; she’s not your girl she’s our girl. Women are for society and not owned by any male. Wealthy , she will cheat with the swarthy pool boy. White Chad 6’6” she will cheat with the funny azz Hispanic guy who is 5’4”. They are all prostitutes . Accept it and just have fun. The same rules that apply to us guys that she settles for apply for the guy she wants . Cause if she gets the guy she wants she will search for better and feel she is settling.

Seneca_13 · 2021-11-25T23:21:45+00:00

It's never easy, but it's always the better choice.

AshyLarry27 · 2021-11-26T01:13:31+00:00

Its similar to the philosophical idea of the "Village Idiot" from a course I took in college. Is it better to be the simple-minded village idiot that knows nothing and experiences nothing, simply staying put in his little village, oblivious to real responsibilities and real world problems? Or is it better being someone who has been through a lot, knows a lot, and has truly experienced a range of events and emotions?

pappo4ever · 2021-11-26T03:10:54+00:00

to some extent she's your prostitute.

Kind of a black pill. If you are a bottom 80%, no girl will ever love you, no matter how much money or social status you have.

Society was structed in a way that men did not have to be red pilled.

Exactly, all religions in the world implemented marriage because it was chaos nonetheless. Sexual liberation brought back chaos, and with internet now is basically a version of hell. I believe love as humans experienced in the past don't exist anymore, or is very short lived.

randarrow · 2021-11-26T07:51:22+00:00

Captain save-a-ho/beta bux/disposable dynamics are social equivalent of fast food, easy to consume but bad for you. Red pills are just that, equivalent of energy pills/drinks protein shakes that help you deal with fallout of eating too much fastfood, but are still ultimately unhealthy. You've got to evaluate and learn from the red pills, graduate from them, and ultimately build a healthier model for dealing with the world.

Doesn't matter which red pill you are talking about: manosphere red pills, health red pills, debt red pills, investment red pills, race red pills, social red pills, political red pills.... They help us temporarily deal with sick parts of our world, basically by feeding us conspiracy theories that may or may not be true. But, like most conspiracy theories (true or not) they distance us from society.... People who believed the "leaded gasoline is poison" conspiracy theory were treated as freaks and had no good alternatives....

Energy drinks/protein shakes (red pills) are ultimately unhealthy. But, somewhat temporarily necessary for survival and growth. Take them in moderation as you graduate to coffee/paleo (nihilism), and eventually herbal tea and mineral water/balanced whole foods diet (build your own model for healthy boundaries, society investment, understanding of personality traits and disorders).

In case I'm not clear in my analogies:

Bluepill life => equivalent to fast food life, kool aid, social media, cable news...

Red pills => equivalent to gas station energy drinks/protein shakes and conspiracy theories.

Go beyond.

ToughAnswers · 2021-11-26T08:40:18+00:00

This red pill can rightfully be called the real red pill- and are men better off for taking it?

Yes, since that way actual prostitutes become interchangeable and there's no need to sweat or submit just because of dry spells...just one click away!

gracienoob · 2021-11-26T10:21:45+00:00

I think everyone here is missing the point. The fact is that there are some relationships that exist in the world in which a women will undoubtedly think you are THE best, not just her best. But these relationships are as rare as a winning the lottery. And unless you have the genetics/fame/social status, nothing with grant you her true "love", only her "love" for what she can achieve.

There are definitely a few select women who would turn down Chris Even or whoever. Because they think the man they have is not only better, but THE best.

Truth is, for everyone else, it is just dating with what is the best she can do. So a girl can be alpha widowed by the best she can do, but will never be alpha widowed by what she thinks is the best in the world in her view, because she's not even close to getting that guy.

Read the ballad of Clark Kent by Rollo Tommasi

Genuine desire is a scale not a switch, accept it and realize you're most likely never gonna be on top of that scale, but you can get real fucking close.

Zech4riah · 2021-11-26T14:23:41+00:00

Redpill knowledge helps a lot in right hands but not everyone is ready to handle it.

I'd say that half of the guys who found redpill would have been better off without it and having occasional heart ache. Half of the guys just get more angry and bitter and either go to their BP habits while being more bitter against women or go extreme trp, blackpill or incel which makes their life and mental stability even worse.

The reality is that sometimes it's just better to not know everything. This is something that some guys (like ECs) who have already made it, have difficult time to grasp. Not everyone wants to be or is even capable being red pill alpha male.

For me red pill was a great tool. I've always had girls/gf etc even before finding red pill. I found red pill through pick up into which I got because I noticed around 30yo that I just get bored in monogamous relationships. Red pill gave the explanations why certain things/actions work and also reinforced my ambitions to become even better man. So in other words, if you are already on the way to right direction, red pill is great to reinforce that behavior. I practically skipped over all the anger and bitterness which many newcomers have. All just clicked right away.

dingleburry_joe · 2021-11-26T14:49:09+00:00

"I never said it would be easy Neo"

phil_stein · 2021-11-27T06:45:35+00:00

It's a good insight, and life is really difficult, in that sense. Thank god there are things other than women to occupy oneself with. Men's weakness is that we are mission oriented, and somehow that mission gets focused on a woman. We deserve our suffering for that.

btt069 · 2021-11-27T10:26:21+00:00

In society we live, we need to interact with the society in order to be where we want to be, for instance, have power over people, or earn a shit ton of money.
Society always fed values, which are bunch of non-sense.
Take it as an array of infinite shit morals/advice, where, somewhere there are gems-they are values that have been passed by true father-figures, gems like lifting, not caring about things that you cannot control. Its common sense and common sense has become rare these days.

Redpill is toolkit which includes these gems, you may say it is a "book of common sense and wisdom" that is the result of experience and evolution both.

If common sense is necessary to live a non-lunatic lifestyle, it is absolutely necessary to preserve these gems and let those get them who seek it truly, that's why I think there is manosphere.

Do I really need redpill right now?
Yes.

Do I really needed redpill in the past?
Yes.

Is it why I am where I want to be now?
Yes, it has played a vital role.

If it was really necessary to be redpilled for "you" to be successful?
Only you will know or not.
u/RStonePT said it very well IMHO.

My further Thoughts:

People who where already redpill, were taught and raised with gems of advice and wisdom. They lived or may have not lived a good life, who knows, but why were they taught at the first place by their forefathers?
Because they believed, it is needed so that one does not fuck up so many times in life. [I don't know how to say that in a shorter sentence, sorry for my english.]
Same wisdom we share here writing articles.

I believe, life is about giving maximum chance to oneself to reach one's potential. Redpill very much allows it. It gives maximum chance to not fuck up and it gives maximum chance of success amongst the very bullshit we are surrounded with.
Doesn't it sound like evolution, giving the next generation maximum chance to survive with mutation in genes(modern version is genetic engineering).
These basic requirements(common sense and wisdom) are the resources-(resources as a cell allocates or has instructions in its DNA to give to its offspring(child cell) to produce the resources and keep continuing its existence even after the mother cell dies)- which are necessary to transfer to future generations so they be good men and keep thier legacy alive.

Understanding women was necessary to achieve the life you have now, OP, you said it. It has always been a resource, a wisdom, now the collections of these kind of wisdoms make a toolkit.
We need this toolkit, we have given a name for it, Red Pill. Holy fuck, I defined red pill.
Pardon me, I went to bit offtopic there.

Even if the term "red pill" was never coined, you would have still got the wisdom if you had seeked it. Wisdom is what limits your stupidity, and avoiding stupidity many times, not all times, gives you experience. Experience shapes morals/values/habits/aspirations.
"A man is what he thinks all day long"- Ralph Waldo.
Similarly, a man's life is what values he lives with.
Redpill is a collection of values/morals which has now been called a toolkit.

Therefore, I think it is absolutely needed. Yes, it is a necessity to be successful.

A question, if evolution were to happen again, is it highly likely that the lifestyle now will be similar to the result of that evolution?
Will the redpill still be the cold hard truths we know now?

What the hell am I saying, I am contradicting myself. Redpill is the result of evolution, the collection of gems throughout evolution. "Is it like, aren't we calling the things that we followed to evolve were really needed for us to evolve in the first place."

Did we need to evolve?
who knows.

Did we evolve?
Yes.

Do we need it now to further evolve?
New things will add up to that collections and future generations will, eventually need it.

Will they evolve?
I hope so.

Highmountain_BJJ · 2021-11-27T22:08:52+00:00

When I was younger, I stumbled upon theredpill. When I started consuming the knowledge, I was like a drowning man gasping for air: that's how much of an urge I had to learn what trp had to offer.

Did I need the Redpill to be successful? The technical answer is no, of course not. But the reality is that it's hard to actually adopt redpill principles and not be successful.

Theredpill gives you power, but that power comes at a cost: extreme loneliness is the price for me.

Before, life was a mystery beyond wonder, and new mysterious and surprises were potentially around every corner.

Now, many things I encounter are no longer enigmas: there are only three categories in my life now- the known, the unknown, and the unknowable. If attempt to organize the known, and decided if new experiences before me should be categorized as unknown or unknowable. Unknown has potential and has a return on investment, unknowable things just drain me.

This is all to say that theredpill gave me sight in exchange for my bliss. I still have happiness, my life is full to the brim, nothing is really messed up.

I would always make this choice, I would always look for theredpill in any life I was in. I would venture to say it is in my DNA to truly know things.

But I can't say that the bliss I had in my life before theredpill wasn't significant. It is what it is.

MattyAnon · 2021-11-28T16:28:47+00:00

Maybe things could have worked out, and I'd never know the difference.

The odds are not in your favour. 50% chance of divorce, but most of the married couples are hardly happy. Most men are with their wives at threatpoint - the looming threat of divorce if they don't work day and night to keep her happy.

Your parents were the last generation that got a happily ever after. Maybe at least one of your parents was a virgin when they married.

You were born in the early 1980s..... you are the transition generation where women are allowed to be slutty, but men are still expected to pay full price for them. Women get 100% institutional support and male financial obligation while only having to raise two children with every conceivable labour saving device to help. Men are still expected to work harder than ever. Women expect their beta bucks to be their most attractive fuck ever. Men are expected to give her a significantly better lifestyle than she could get for free, which is already pretty good.

The tide is turning..... the divorce rate continues to climb, men are slowly slowly learning to be more demanding and to walk away from terrible deals. Most are slow learners because they see no alternative. "This must be right because it's the only lifestyle I can imagine".

I hope men wise the fuck up.... but I'm not sure this is possible with the persecution of TRP and all the pickup sites that promoted a more alpha lifesty.e.

2021-12-02T16:53:43+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axePr\_RLS0o

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2021-12-04T10:38:59+00:00

Depends on the guy, and in this age of heavily blue-pilled conditioned men that would be most.

I believe it's necessary to get a better perspective on female nature and recondition to it emotionally. A guy who simps, pines, believes in 'the one', idolizes girls, etc, is cannon fodder for when reality doesn't meet fantasy and the cognitive dissonance is too much.

If it wasn't necessary, thousands of men wouldn't have found their way here.

Zerofication · 2021-12-19T16:06:46+00:00

For natural alpha's? It makes no difference, for the rest of men? It depends. Knowing about the RP for men who already practice RP knowledge due to patriarchal upbringing is a plus, but for men who have been raised by single moms in feminized cultures, it becomes a necessity.

lost-icon · 2021-12-21T23:05:46+00:00

Would you rather know the hard, difficult truth, or be blissfully ignorant?

ZZT-OOPsIdiditagain · 2021-12-26T22:25:37+00:00

Going without TRP as a man in any Western nation since the last 50 years is like trying to learn to code in a foreign language you had only a couple years in high school for experience.

Shit just won't make sense.

El3CtRiiCcZ · 2021-11-25T20:56:25+00:00

Stop pursuing blue pill dreams after being redpilled and it is significantly better.

bassman_gio · 2021-11-25T22:05:46+00:00

I didn't choose the red pill. The red pill chose me as a result of a toxic divorce.

bobklosak · 2021-11-26T21:24:11+00:00

Oh man I hate it when people disappoint me like this. I thought this guy was going somewhere very exciting but no he really wasn't... It's not just that "women buy what they can afford" everyone reasonable buys what they can afford. If someone is undervaluing their potential and not moving up in dating when they can (prior to serious commitments when it's important to settle in and start a family) I would consider that their own stupidity. Is the author saying that Men don't upgrade out of a bad romantic situation if they can? Very strange.

The idea that this man actually believed women who are with him wanted only him and thought he was the best wasn't ever an idea I fancied with in my entire life.

I have never been big on soulmates and have embraced even in my bluepill days the transactional nature of relationships. The problem is I didn't see myself worth even the baseline transaction of value. I never cared about being "the one" for a woman or vice versa.

This guy seemed like he was coming to the mansphere from a view that was so far gone from anything I was ever at and his take overall is so bizarre.

It sounds like more and more I am finding that people who are "red pill" are taking for granted that a lot of the society they call "blue pill" are not as gullible as the actual red pill person was giving there perspective on experience. That a lot of red pill is people complaining about falling for something presented in some medium that other people saw through and complaining that they were not spoon fed the exact messaging they needed to be sexually successful.

Maybe I am being unemphatic but my problem was not so much gullibility but persecution that hurt my self-esteem. There were some instances where society messaging lead me astray and I was gullible but had the right messaging come I wouldn't of believed it at the time anyways because the right messaging would of put me in more direct confrontation with my abusers before I was ready.

The society messaging I received offered me a way to "get the girl" without trying to face my fears and in that sense I was gullible to believe THAT but like I said, it needed to happen anyways for me to realize that the only way to really be successful was to face my fears so did society really lead me astray at all or did I lead myself there and blame it on society?

Is it really better to be red pilled?

I didn't know how to answer.

Women buy what they can afford.

I don't know how to answer that.

I don't have an answer for that.

Comments

Title	Is it really better to be red pilled?
Author	LastRevision
Upvotes	190
Comments	135
Date	November 25, 2021 7:10 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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