Post-wall liberal arts grad dates several successful tech worker men in Seattle. Finds them boring compared to the slacker bad boys she dated when she was young and cute in the 1990s. Can't understand why they're not more fascinated with her and hates them for their money.

HumanSockPuppet · 2014-05-30T17:46:54+00:00

You don't have to read very far into the article to see the classic pattern.

It's the guy's fault he's boring. It's Amazon's fault that so many boring guys are moving here.

Tell us your woes, sweetie.

In Seattle, it has been easy to hook up

No kidding.

I am a journalist, so I am very good at asking questions to get people to talk about themselves.

But not so good at observing. And not one word about what she has to offer in a relationship.

Entitlement indeed.

OsoFeo · 2014-05-30T16:13:15+00:00

The type of person who is attracted to these jobs and thus to the Seattle area seems to be a socially awkward, emotionally stunted, sheltered, strangely entitled, and/or a misogynistic individual

Entitled is now the new word.

Interesting. Because this whole article reeks of entitlement. "I should be able to find a tall handsome man who makes lots of money and who isn't boooring and who appreciates me for the precious snowflake I am even though I'm overweight and over 30."

throwaway_redpill2 · 2014-05-30T16:33:35+00:00

Seriously?! I've lived in San Francisco, Seattle, etc. and almost certainly encountered at least 10x as many tech bros as she's dated. There are a plethora of perfectly friendly, non-self absorbed/etc. etc. tech men out there. It just so happens that many of them are snapped up by rational women far before her age...

Even if that weren't the case, I'm sure the men find her and her "quirkiness" that she's so proud of equally uninteresting. They can also probably sense her feelings ("their development as a complete human being seemed to be stunted"), which are frankly completely insulting.

1ww1ww1 · 2014-05-30T17:56:19+00:00

“They’re not purely macho or purely geeky, they’re somewhat pretenders in both, and I would imagine that’s very obvious to most women.”

How dare they don't fit into one mold, and instead have a variety of interests!

the_pin · 2014-05-30T18:40:47+00:00

"I am smart, my brain is abstract" =someone not smart

This article is a pretty hilarious read. It basically sums up the modern woman/feminist. If you need the cliff notes version: "I am perfect the way I am, I am interesting, I have no control over what we talk about, I should never have to change/I am perfect the way I am; I deserve everything I want and shouldn't have to work for it."

It is the weak males that are to blame honestly; women have been getting their way simply by complaining for a long time, and it has been allowed to happen. sickens me

garlicextract · 2014-05-30T17:16:05+00:00

Since I am not in the tech industry, I don’t understand any of it. It was all job speak—the type of language ladder-climbers use; it was the kind of talk that shuts vaginas down cold.

Well, as much as people might dislike the article, there's some stone cold RP right there.

FortunateBum · 2014-05-30T18:54:10+00:00

When I went to Paris, I went on OKCupid dates with several men as a way to see the city and perhaps have a romantic excursion; one worked at a movie production studio, another was a video editor; one guy worked in finance; another was an interior designer. Each one was thoroughly different than the other.

Maybe women should stop expecting men to provide entertainment.

Yeah, never going to happen. Just kidding.

Good article about this from Roosh:

http://www.rooshv.com/men-are-nothing-more-than-clowns-to-the-modern-woman

Holy shit, just glanced at the Roosh article and saw this sentence:

Women don’t seek out comfort or stability in men anymore—they seek entertainment. They seek distraction. They seek hedonistic pleasure.

monsieurhire2 · 2014-05-30T19:28:22+00:00

Can you feel the hatred for men emanating from every word she writes? It's rare to see a man write something like this and have it published in a mainstream publication. These guys are horrible because they worked to get jobs so they could pay their bills and court women by taking them to restaurants, exactly as they had been indoctrinated to do . . . but it makes them horrible people, according to her, the would-be beneficiary of their largesse.

Edit:

She keeps whining about how great the artist, sculptors, puppeteers were. So . . . why isn't she dating them? What's she's really mad about is how now that she wants a guy with money, she'll probably have to settle for a less exciting personality than she's used to. That's what this is really about. She's ditching guys with no money so she can have a comfortable life, but now she's going to gripe about it in the hopes that the tech-bros will put on airs to win her affections.

trpMilo · 2014-05-30T17:06:43+00:00

Jesus, if a dude wrote a piece in Salon about how all the women in a particular city were undateable he'd be lynched

bama79rolltide · 2014-05-30T16:33:08+00:00

The author says:

"The biggest thing, the thing that bothered me the most is I felt like my intelligence was greatly devalued,” she wrote. ”I am a smart woman. I have a master’s from Berkeley in philosophy. My brain is very abstract, though, the exact opposite of so many men in tech who have very concrete/literal brains. They interpreted information as intelligence. I constantly felt like I wasn’t seen or valued by them, even though I experienced a lot of them as having a very limited view of the world.”

So, she needs to feel smarter than the man she is with.

thoredaway · 2014-05-30T18:06:30+00:00

Can someone find out how I can "get a date with her"?

I'll do a write-up about it, mainly to air out the (likely) hilarious opposite side of this tale. I bet he was smart enough to figure out that since she sits at her computer inside her apartment with no human contact all day, that SHE was the one with no personality.

2014-05-30T22:22:01+00:00

This is hilarious. She says several times "it seems like men from Seattle are only interested in hooking up and not commitment. Therefore there is a misogynistic slant to the whole city and tech scene."

It never occurs to her that the men are simply only interested in hooking up WITH HER - for an attractive, younger woman with a better personality and career / passion of her own, there's countless guys in Seattle who would leap to be that girl's husband. Seattle is full of beta bucks and an overabundance of males similar to the Bay Area... she even writes about this. If you cannot get commitment there, it's 100% because you are a shitty-tier woman or are trying to compete with 20 year olds for high value guys.

Feminists can scream about how wrong the cliche of a 30+ year old woman being desperate for marriage and miserable is. They can invent all sort of rationalizations for why a 30+ year old single woman shouldn't admit to themselves they suck, seek help, try to improve their SMV what little they can, and just take whatever guy will be willing to take their used goods. But no amount of hamstering can make a guy marry you or truly make you happy. Realizing what happens to women as they cross 30 has dissolved any and all bitterness I have towards women. When I see a 20 year old acting like she's the shit, expecting society to bend over backwards for her because she's hot and young, and therefore basically THE hottest commodity on the planet, I no longer even get annoyed. It's the way it's meant to be because this girl, this girl who will be treated like a princess, like a celebrity while she's beautiful... will eventually turn 35. In many cases the hotter she was and the better she was able to 'juice' men around her for validation and money, the more wretched she will be when she abruptly loses that ability.

Also, I truly, truly love the rage that useless-degree'd bitches (men and women TBH) express when others do not take their "intelligence" seriously. I love philosophy, but you could read it all day and take a million college courses on it, and you still wouldn't have the skills you need to manage a fucking McDonalds. If you are your typical girl with a useless major in sociology or some shit, then I will respect your opinion if I ever am curious about what's going on with the Kardashians, fashion, what's trending on pinterest, or what humanitarian causes are soooo important despite you knowing nothing of the geo-political concerns have that created them. I am a full believer in letting someone educate you if they know more than you in a particular area, so if I ever want to learn about those areas, I'll respectfully listen. When a woman talks about things that are not in what I have determined to be her areas of expertise, I can literally feel my brain being degraded with the hamster-info. Especially given the socialist / hyperliberal slant that all young girls are indoctrinated with in public school / college. No, we're not talking about whether we should raise taxes on the top 1% if you've never taken anything beyond econ 101, and NO, if you don't even understand the basic sides of the healthcare debate and what concerns / agendas each side has, I'm not interested in your 2c.

JRcanReid · 2014-05-30T19:47:54+00:00

"The biggest thing, the thing that bothered me the most is I felt like my intelligence was greatly devalued,” she wrote. ”I am a smart woman. I have a master’s from Berkeley in philosophy"

I can't fuck your degrees.

JohnGalt316 · 2014-05-30T18:50:41+00:00

"When I went to Paris, I went on OKCupid dates with several men as a way to see the city and perhaps have a romantic excursion"

notice which one comes first

her purpose for a date is to see the city ... any romance is icing on the cake

paracog · 2014-05-30T19:59:28+00:00

"I'm single, not that attractive, solipsistic, and here are the men I shall blame for what my karma has resulted in."

thesaltysoup · 2014-05-30T20:59:16+00:00

Dude, it's Salon. 30-something, rich white women with too much time on their hands found something to complain about. This time, it was the high-school beta turned big bucks programmer. He hasn't got game, but he's got some semblance of confidence and plenty of money to blow on some unappreciative hag who returns home to blog about the fact that Mr. Boring didn't slip her the D in his beat up car. Typical post-wall entitlement complex. Interesting read.

Overkillengine · 2014-05-31T01:43:55+00:00

Why should they be?

She needs to realize her value as dating/long term relationship material is not enough to stimulate any effort from the quality of man she wants, much less the ones she was dating, which might explain why they were boring.

Men that make enough to not need or want a sugar momma aren't going to value a woman's career much beyond displaying self sufficiency on her part.

She's not young anymore, so now basically all she has to trade on is her personality as a person and her writing implies she has not really made much effort to be appealing on that end.

When women complain about the lack of good men, they really should be taking the red pill and asking of themselves why good men are having nothing to do with them and fixing themselves instead of acting entitled to the world changing to suit them.

But whatever. Seeing a decade plus of this behavior just tells me I should invest in companies that make cat litter.

culofiesta · 2014-05-30T17:56:08+00:00

She's upset when she, a straight woman, finds straight men in a gay bar.

Maybe she feels they're intruding?

Alpha2013 · 2014-05-30T18:58:52+00:00

Start stocking up on cats now sweetheart - cuz with an attitude like yours you're definitely going to need them.

qidydl · 2014-05-30T19:27:39+00:00

Arlene said that she was once contacted by a Microsoft programmer on OKCupid who required that she read Neuromancer before “he would consider taking me out on a date. He was not joking.”

How dare a man have standards for shared interests that a woman doesn't happen to meet! Of course, the entire article is a giant list of standards she demands men meet for her to date her, but of course that's totally different.

BadgerBurger · 2014-05-30T22:28:10+00:00

Couple takeaways:

1) Don't take girls on expensive dates, especially as a first date.

If you're here, you likely already knew that, but it bears repeating. Any decently attractive girl has been to those restaurants and bars. I think this is the classic flaw of assuming one sex is attracted to the same thing they are. If you're a man, you probably had to work to get your life right so you can go to a fancy place. Women don't have to.

Instead, do something active. I actually like driving range + drinks after as a first date if the chick has any interest in golf.

2) Someone else said it, but chicks travel to turn their vagina into a UN convention. See: her comment about Paris.

3) Get your threads game right. She made fun of guys who wear the backpacks given to them by Amazon. Girls are judging you on your appearance. Wear clothes that suit you and fit right. It really is that important. And girls notice small details - nice shoes, nice watch, nice sunglasses (and quit making that excuse that you just lose sunglasses).

4) Do not define yourself with your job. She spends the whole article shitting on people with solid careers. She even threw in some shitting on lawyers and finance. Being passionate about your job is good. Thinking it will impress someone isn't.

5) Damn I feel sorry for you dudes in Seattle and the Bay. Hypergamy is at full throttle.

nicholmikey · 2014-05-30T20:21:44+00:00

This simply must be a bait article to get views and comments, I would just ignore it.

She sounds incredibly boring, I don't see why it's the mans job to keep her entertained.

hohamocha · 2014-05-30T21:13:01+00:00

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FLFTW16 · 2014-05-31T01:37:28+00:00

In Seattle, it has been easy to hook up, but hard to find anyone really interesting or worthwhile for the long term.

This says quite a bit about our "journalist" OP. Someone made a post about the jobs that women hold. A female journalist is one of the most narcissistic types of women out there. You can almost hear her telling someone at a bar "yeah, I'm a journalist"

Anyway. What it tells us about this woman is that she is not high value. She is able to "hook up" because she is average, and any alpha will fuck her once or twice, but she is not high value enough to date. She hamsters this by turning it around and blaming the men, that they aren't good enough. No. Men are good enough to fuck, women are good enough to date. She is nothing but an alpha cum dumpster. She isn't worth a relationship. The rest of her article is just noise.

DarkSayed · 2014-05-31T03:48:42+00:00

In Seattle, it has been easy to hook up, but hard to find anyone really interesting or worthwhile for the long term.

Yeh no shit dear, guys will fuck anything, and you're not wife material.

It's funny how she doesn't realise she's the one who falls short. She's not even particularly attractive. Combine that with an odious personality, and what does she have going for her?

SariaLystra · 2014-05-31T03:52:27+00:00

And people wonder why UCSB happened (don't get me wrong, he was still an entitled little bitch). You have female admission right here that

Don't want nice guys
Feel extremely entitled to the best but shame every man out there into subjugation the wonder why there are no good men.

Blake55 · 2014-05-31T00:38:44+00:00

"I am a smart woman. I have a master’s from Berkeley in philosophy. My brain is very abstract, though, the exact opposite of so many men in tech who have very concrete/literal brains."

It's a surprise that a masters in philosophy somehow isn't having her intellectual prowess looked up to by men who went to uni and acquired marketable skills.

widec · 2014-05-30T20:45:39+00:00

Because there are so many people in tech in Seattle and San Francisco, it is like the men in tech have eaten two previously diverse and interesting cities whole.

This is how the men in these cities are being portrayed. not as hard working, tax paying citizens, but as boring, lifeless, soul sucking creatures. The ironic part is that we're raising them to be exactly this way.

curiousthis · 2014-05-30T21:22:08+00:00

is decently good-looking, successful, or cool, but by default knows it and acts like it, with a huge ego and selfish mind-set in tow.

So, basically someone acting like a hot 18 year old female would. Aww gee, is that the sound of reality hitting someone in the face?

MartialWay · 2014-05-31T03:02:55+00:00

“There were a lot of tech men. I could talk a blue streak about them. I don’t have much positive to say. The biggest thing, the thing that bothered me the most is I felt like my intelligence was greatly devalued,” she wrote.. "I'm a smart women".

I don't know what to say. I think someone thinks she is smarter than she is.

DanG3 · 2014-05-30T23:31:45+00:00

Basically this article can be summed up as:

artists > any other male job

I never really understand why artists hold such sway over women, probably because they are a sort of peacocking handicap type of sexual advertising (look! I produce valueless commodities, but I survive anyway despite this obvious handicap. I'm also unpredictable, you should date me!)

beginner_ · 2014-05-30T19:20:56+00:00

No, I spent a half hour or more listening to him talk about his job. Since I am not in the tech industry, I don’t understand any of it. It was all job speak—the type of language ladder-climbers use; it was the kind of talk that shuts vaginas down cold.

Too be fair maybe she has a point here. Talking about your job to someone you just met is pretty boring. I would never do that and would change the subject if it happens or even end the date. I mean it shows they don't do anything but work if they can only talk about work. If they could talk about a hobby or their last vacation to <insert interesting place here> they would not appear this boring.

Now I'm not defending her article and attitude at all, just stating that the guys she met probably were in fact lame betas with good income but 0 personality.

2014-05-31T03:39:29+00:00

Perhaps we should call the post-wall cashout relationships with betas the 'Groucho Marx relationship' i.e.

I do not care to date any man who would actually stoop so low as to date me.

cdlawton07 · 2014-05-31T05:06:02+00:00

Funny thing is that I find the majority of women I go on dates with boring but my boring meter seems to be different than hers. All these women say they want a guy with a sense of humor but the majority can't deliver in return. I like a girl that has no problem cracking a dirty joke or two or calls me out on my shit. These women love a guy that can make them laugh but they can't return the favor. She sounds pretty boring to me just from reading the article.

LastRevision · 2014-05-31T06:56:16+00:00

A few of these guys rejected her or pumped her full of goo and dumped her. This is how her narcissism needs to interpret it.

johnnight · 2014-05-31T21:28:06+00:00

I am surprised nobody here quoted this part. It requires no explanation:

her female clients are often hit with a double whammy: “I often hear women say they either date A-holes or nerds—or if they’re really lucky, both in one,” she said. “They feel like they’re dealing with someone who has poor social skills, not a lot of style, and isn’t that attractive, or is decently good-looking, successful, or cool, but by default knows it and acts like it, with a huge ego and selfish mind-set in tow.”

diablomalambero · 2014-06-03T01:10:51+00:00

Salon is the blue pillar's Bible!

Venividivixii · 2014-05-30T21:09:47+00:00

Just a note on categorizing posts: this is a Blue Pill example, not a Field Report.

Also, I found this post-wall piece of work via the wonders of social media. Feast your eyes on this prize:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/tromano

http://t.rmncdn.com/blog/2013/01/tricia-1359503833.jpg

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-thumb-19374866-200-2hcYsx03uoH5y9O2dkeS9bv5pfdxoBWN.jpeg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3421312637/ab2ddc65e4b0c2ffe62948f553bc33f4_400x400.jpeg

I'd pass on that nose, I mean old bitch, in a heartbeat. Even when she is caked in makeup you can clearly see her 35+ year-old wrinkly skin.

watersign · 2014-05-30T20:05:10+00:00

I honestly agree with her. Most programmers and engineers are the epitome of beta and are largely pretty fucking gay. As someone who works in a technical role, she is right. Most of these guys are fucking dorks and have no personalities. These guys ought to use that money to buy prostitutes than waste it on broads like her though. I'd be willing to bet that there is a correlation between high estrogen levels in men and those who can pass Calculus 1 in college.

TL;DR men who are good at math tend to be beta

Post-wall liberal arts grad dates several successful tech worker men in Seattle. Finds them boring compared to the slacker bad boys she dated when she was young and cute in the 1990s. Can't understand why they're not more fascinated with her and hates them for their money.

Comments

1 is a great point - the author looks down on men for spending their newfound cash on fancy cocktails. Meanwhile she's been treated to free drinks since she was 21 (or earlier) and these men have had to work long and hard to get that good tech job.