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[–]Daunt02 164 points165 points166 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Don't chase women especially if they don't respect your time.
[–]MInconspicuous 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. 👆👆👆👆
[–]Mundane-Currency5088 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't spend time with anyone who doesn't respect your time even friends.
[–]Daunt02 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I learned a long time ago that if it works for game it works in all aspects of your life. Women can be interchanged with, family, job, even things like government. Who cares. Value your shit and fuck chasing things that don't align with you.
[–]Mundane-Currency5088 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Boundaries are Boundaries, they don't dissappear because you are getting head.
[–]EdUNC- 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
proud of you, you have awaken the inner chad in you
[–]jam-unam 85 points86 points87 points 4 years ago* (139 children) | Copy Link
Ye don’t message her make her think you left with someone else lol let her imagination drift-
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (136 children) | Copy Link
So how in the fuck do you convert that to action?
Sounds like a great way to not go home with anyone
[–]Daunt02 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Message her if you want and try to turn it into something like a later date. Sometimes your self respect and boundaries are better than trying to make a chick that's lukewarm into you into something.
This is where having plates and other women you're talking becomes important.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Message her, but also don't message her, because that's desperate
Got it
I'm always the one who has to initiate those convos
[–]Daunt02 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do what you want. Dont expect that there's a right way for situations when you're dealing with random women. Your intentions and self worth is more important than believing that there is something you're supposed to do.
[–]willgo-waggins 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait until later that day. Then return the message in a manner that implies you didn’t get hers until then (it needs to be like LATE afternoon - 3-4 or later) and that you were just waking up from last night because it was “crazy”. Imply but do not be specific. Let her wonder if you went home with someone else but do not state that or deny it just work around if the question comes up. “We went to some other friends place and partied there with a bunch of people, I can barely remember because we were drinking a lot” type of thing. Use what you know works best for you and with her.
Don’t send a bunch of messages or continuously reply. One response. Let her wig out and send you a few before you respond again - later not immediately.
Make her come to you and prove her seriousness and not allow yourself to be treated like option B or C or whatever. Let her think that is where she is.
Also this behavior makes me ask - what makes her a 10/10 girl? Because that crap with me puts her automatically down the scale as my scale is NOT at all based simply I’m looks/body, but also who she is across the board. It is subjective. We can obviously all agree on basic beauty factors with a truly knockout looks girl. But my 10/10 and yours can be two very different things based in what we each find attractive qualities beyond the looks.
[–]razama 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The larger point is why you make your decision. Nothing inherently wrong with messaging back or not, its where your priorities are.
If you are validation seeking, or forgetting an abundance mindset, you'll be doomed with either choice.
OP could still message back, but they are doing it with self respect and their priorities correct.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why does that ultimately change anything though?
If you have your priorities correct, and you message back and she leaves you on read... the outcome wasn't any different.
The point you're making doesn't make any sense.
[–]razama 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Because despite your best efforts, incongruity in who you are and how you act will show through to people.
Subtext is everything, and unless you are some high level actor or a sociopath, your attitudes are detectable and change how your actions are precieved by others (even in text).
Someone who does or doesn't message back but is not stressing about the situation will be ok.
Someone who is stressing will only succeed in spite of themselves no matter their choice, because people notice when you reek of an attention seeking mentality and self doubt. If not immediately, at some point they will. That inner game is the deciding factor, not your play.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The deciding factor? How so?
[–]Moxiecodone 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It’s not about contradicting statements, it’s about the context and order in which you do these things that spells out what you’re about.
What is the context and order? And how does that actually change the outcome?
[–]Moxiecodone 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The context is she flaked on him (wasted his time), then ‘hung out’ for 5 minutes, and then had the audacity to hit him up at 6am asking where he was. She is just using him when she feels like it instead of committing to spending any time with him. It sounded as if they were going to hang out, but she clearly didn’t care. He is just a source of attention when she beckons. So, him not responding and moving on with his life - talking to other people, going to another party, etc.. is letting her know that he is not going to play along. It sets a boundary because what you respond to, you’re validating. He is not waiting for sex, he is not hoping she comes around, he has detached from what she was doing and left her alone. The intent is not for her to now come around and them to have sex now, because that’s not someone IN GENERAL that is worth his undivided attention and time. However, because it is a message that says ‘I respect myself and my time more than this’ - it could make him more appealing to her. It may not, she may just drop it, but that doesn’t matter because that’s not why you act this way. So, this interaction isn’t about increasing his odds of having sex although it might. It’s about increasing his self respect and that is something that will eventually gain respect from others, including women he will want to be with.
If he decides to respond later, it’s just treated as another conversation without a specific intent and if she acts differently that time because of his behavior previously - the opportunity to fuck could open up again..
Saying and doing things that increase YOUR self respect, like setting boundaries or not responding to bullshit, makes your entire life better and increases how attractive you are IN GENERAL. The intent isn’t that you will always line up a sexual experience with someone. It’s about creating a relationship with the opposite sex where you are valuable in your own eyes, so you don’t simp for some hot piece of ass which won’t get you laid anyways.
There’s no guarantee you’ll always get sex, but increasing your odds comes secondary when you increase your value and standing in your own eyes.
The alternative is he could have immediately responded and been like, ‘omg I’m so sorry I missed your text. I thought you didn’t want to hang out because you came by for 5 minutes and then just left. What are you up to?!’
Or whatever, the reason is any moves except moving on was him accepting her flakey and superficial behavior.
Don’t text her back NOW because she didn’t act right.
Text her, MAYBE, if you even care to, LATER.. at no predetermined time - just to chat. If she acts differently, for example apologizing, then an opportunity reopens. But you don’t put stock in her now.
So the context and the order does matter. It’s not about gaming every single interaction to get laid and timing it out so it 100% happens.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for all of this, it does make perfect sense. I can understand how it makes your self respect and boundaries increase your confidence.
Thanks for also saying it's never a guarantee that you'll get sex, because there's zero expectations in the interactions you have with anyone.
[–]SentientCouch 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Not going home with anyone is fine.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Except we're in the seduction sub, and I'm a 23 year old virgin who always goes home alone
[–]Foxsundance 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Im 22 and a Virgin, almost every person I know as lost their virginity, and they constantly brag about it, but thats it, its the only thing they have going for them, nothing else. I can tell you for a fact they are more miserable than me.
[–]willgo-waggins 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have a healthy and remarkably mature attitude for both your age and your status.
Hold onto that because it will be an enormous aid in you knowing your own value.
[–]Moxiecodone 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah once you have sex, it’s not really that big of a deal. Your hormones make it one. Your biological drive makes it important, but once you do it - you’re not part of some special club.. it’s a huge club and you can be the ugliest, dumb motherfucker on planet earth yet still be part of it.
Raise your status and build your self up so you can conquer the world, not just a woman in bed.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm glad you're happy with it
[–]chemicalmamba 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (103 children) | Copy Link
I think its more about self respect than getting action. If you don't have self respect it sabatoges u
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (102 children) | Copy Link
So you just wait around for months for someone who is so into you they can't stop texting you?
What makes you so sure that's gonna happen at all?
[–]immatonton 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (97 children) | Copy Link
You’ll eventually meet girls who make it a little (lot) easier. Some go a little too far with the cat and mouse act, I think.
If I express intent and pushing things forward and you keep pulling back, I’m going to look elsewhere, because you have it twisted in thinking that I’m not the prize, because I am, or at least that’s how I feel.
You have to look at yourself as someone who is worthwhile to be around and girls should be happy that you’re talking to them. I posted it here a week or so ago, but “confidence is attractiveness.” If you believe it, so will they, and, if not, move on, because other people gladly will.
Someone in your case, it’ll help for you to act like you’re not a virgin and that you have a selection of girls to choose from/you have no trouble getting women, because then they’ll believe that is the case too. It’s a thing called pre-selection, implying to women that “oh, he gets girls, so there must be something good about him, let me find out too.”
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (96 children) | Copy Link
When is that "eventually" gonna happen?
I made it all the way through college without "eventually" happening.
Okay cool. I will have to pretend like I have sex despite not being someone who has sex
[–]watergate_boi 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (85 children) | Copy Link
Dude ... Just work on yourself and your confidence will come. The point of this post is to show that you have inherient value as a man, and that you demonstrate it by showing that you don't roll over for every girl who shows a tiny bit of interest. You pull away when she shows disinterest (whether she means to or not) or when she pulls away. The whole point is that you show that your okay with whatever does or doesn't happen and you're not anchored to some kind of outcome (e.g. having sex with someone at the end of the night).
[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (84 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah... do this really vague undescriptive thing, then my confidence will come, I'll magically start pulling girls out of thin air, and someone will teleport into bed with me.
[–]watergate_boi 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (75 children) | Copy Link
Jesus Christ you're an incel
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (74 children) | Copy Link
You're not saying anything that makes sense!
Keep leaving girls on read that don't put effort into you.
Trouble is, there's a shit ton of girls that would never put effort into you. No girl ever starts text convos with me. So... it could never happen.
But working on myself is magically gonna fix all that, huh?
[–]Daunt023 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Women are human beings. There isn't a coin you can put in and get pussy out. Talk to a lot of women, build relationships and build confidence in your life. If you're not doing that then you're staying a virgin. What you want is a prostitute that you pay with doing the "right thing". That's not how it works.
For real, save some money up and get a prostitute if being a virgin is such a big deal for you.
[–][deleted]0 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Okay guy.
I had several girl friends in college, had an active healthy social life... I stayed a virgin anyway.
I'm still going to salsa clubs and meetups and shit like that. Still get rejected.
You're not being descriptive at all, so I don't understand what this sub is doing spreading any hope that it can happen, without explaining a single thing.
I'm not getting a hooker, people keep telling me it's so easy, and that everyone has sex, and that it'll happen. So I'm gonna keep pushing for specific advice, and I'm still not gonna get any
[–]Daunt022 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sounds like there is a part of your personality that makes people not want to be intimate with you. No seduction techniques will fix that because no one knows you in this sub well enough to analyze your personality. If you're interacting with hundreds of women and keep getting rejected then there is something turning them off. Who's going to figure that out? Random dudes on reddit? Good luck.
[–][deleted]-1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Uh... yeah, that's kind of why I came to a seduction help forum on Reddit in the first place.
I will go keep getting rejected, thanks.
[–]Daunt021 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol, that's what you wanted from the beginning.
[–][deleted]1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What did I want?
To complain about being a virgin. It's been in every one of your comments. You're doing what you want to do. If you wanted to change you would express that at least a little bit. You're trying to get pussy without changing who you are. What has that gotten you?
Do you have anything more specific to say than "work on yourself," "have confidence," "have normal conversations," or "ignore her texts"?
Next time you talk to a woman express what qualities you like in women and see if she qualifies herself after talking with her for a while. If she qualifies herself reward her with a touch on the shoulder or a compliment. If she puts in effort then she's showing that she's attracted to you and work from there. Break the touch barrier early and if she's receptive escalate smoothly with a hug or something. This could happen over the course of a night or a week. Do this with multiple women and add to your circle. The women that qualify themselves the most want to fuck you.
It's on you to not fuck it up after that.
Is this actionable advice?
[–][deleted]2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes the first part is actionable and I appreciate that. I haven't thought of it like women needing to be the ones to impress you.
Then you completely gave up and have no idea how to explain escalation
Sure take what you want from it and you're welcome. Nobody is going to hold your hand into a pussy.
And so you're lucky you learned how to do it young.
I still have no idea how escalation is supposed to work. Logistics have never worked out. Guess I'm screwed
You speak your reality into the world. All you've done is complain. Change or stay a virgin.
I learned around 24 years old. I was a 22 year old virgin. Stop trying to put your shit on others.
[–][deleted]3 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I am going to get laid tomorrow.
Oh... stop putting my shit on others?
Tell them to stop making fun of me for it, telling me "oh it'll happen! Just do it", getting angry at me for no reason when I say I can't find hookups, and telling me that everyone has sex, and it's easy.
I think I'm justified. This sex positive culture is toxic as hell to guys who can't make it happen
That sounds like a you problem in your life that I have no clue about. You put on me, "oh you learned when I was young" as an excuse for your lack of having sex. I don't know you bro. Don't make me an excuse for your crap sex life. This is just an assumption but I feel like you put this pressure on women too. They're not responsible for your shit.
Good luck though man. I feel like you could be better but there's a layer of bitterness that oozes everywhere. Who wants to fuck that?
Anyways. I'm not responding anymore. Take responsibility for your life and stop blaming people for your problems.
[–]willgo-waggins0 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This right here is your core problem!
You’re a fucking virgin guy with a questionable attitude looking for hookups!
How about trying to get together with a girls and work I’m to a sexual relationship so you can get through understanding how to get to that mount with a woman instead of rolling out with a shitty attitude that somehow in a “sex positive culture” that you are entitled to have every girl you like throw her panties at you and say “take me I’m yours!”
You are projecting a desperation combined with a complete lack of experience and ability to close the deal and looking at women like a side of beef for you to take home.
You are absolutely destined to fail like this.
I mean... I'm not expecting all of them to. But if it's so easy... well, out of the hundreds I've asked, shouldn't at least one person have said yes so far? They're human people who like sex, and I'm a pretty average dude irl.
No one's gonna throw their panties at me, and that's the point. The guys who don't learn social skills young can't figure out how to do it. But apparently, saying you have a hard time with it will get you completely shot down for no reason.
I think the complete lack of experience matters more.
I am destined to fail like this. In college I was fairly happy, with lots of friends and going to lots of events, and failed then too.
I'm just gonna fail.
You are cheating your own destiny with that statement but the completely wrong one.
There's next to no way I'm gonna succeed either way. I can't control if someone says yes! Someone's consent has nothing to do with me
Escalation is simply a matter of keeping your senses open to the signals being sent from her and reacting accordingly and in a modulated matter. You have to always be prepared to back off or increase totally dependent upon what response she projects.
Nobody here can go inside your head during your approach and guide you through the subtleties of that individual interaction. That is something that as everyone has told you multiple times here is on YOU to learn from your experiences, modify your approach behavior and implement in you future approaches.
[–]Moxiecodone0 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That’s exactly what you have to do. Go get rejected. Go fail. You have to. There’s no way to figure out what you’re doing wrong or not doing that would be right. YOU need more feedback on who you are and why you haven’t had sex yet. Where else will you get the information about your reason for not having sex?
Go express your desire for sex through talking to women, teasing them in whatever non-creepy way you can imagine and find out through their feedback what you’re missing. You might have a bad relationship with women in general that you need to fix.
I've failed hundreds of times doing that and never succeeded but okay dude.
I'll keep doing that for a little while then give up
[–]chemicalmamba1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
We don't know the answer. We don't know the details of who you are or what you are doing or not doing.
The general advice most people have is to be confident. If you are desperate for sex it will definitely leek out into your interactions with women and probably keeps them from wanting to have sex with you. One of my friends had like no experience even talking to women in college. So he went out of his way to just get used to that. He joined coed groups, became a mentor in a group meant to help women get into his STEM area of expertise. Now I think he's doing well for himself. The thing is you can't join and be angling to hook up with girls at these things, because that is insincere. He joined and did not want to hook up with them. To my knowledge he hasn't. This is something that helped him gain confidence with women. So maybe if you keep doing you're salsa club and don't hit on women you'll feel more confident. Idk man.
So ignore hooking up with girls and then it will happen magically out of nowhere?
Are you even gonna begin to try to understand what's so fucking confusing and frustrating about this?
Yea that's not what he said at all.
[–]chemicalmamba2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I cant tell if I'm/we are bad or explaining or not lol
Disingenuous statements make it seem like that
If you can't angle to join social events to hook up... and you don't think about hooking up... then how the actual fuck do you find someone to ask 🤣 and if not, how do you know some random woman will come up to you
[–]chemicalmamba0 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
They're separate things. We are telling you how to make yourself more attractive. Its counter intuitive but you're more attractive if you don't seem desperate.
It's counter intuitive because being more attractive =/= results
There are lots of different ways attractiveness can be evaluated. Working out a lot and making money might be one way to seem attractive, but if you're staring down women's shirts, can't get a sentence out, or are otherwise boring then you are unattractive in those ways. We're all tryna tell you that being more well rounded will make you more attractive overall.
Overall, we don't know the answer. We don't know you. Maybe nothing we say will work. Maybe there is some crucial detail we don't know. We're just saying what worked for us. Additionally, even if this stuff doesn't work, it might help you enjoy your life more.
There is no formula because women are unique individuals with multidimensional personalities and lives. We can't generalize nor predict nor should we. All we can say is what worked for us, and generally that has to do with just improving our lives and selves independent of women. I'm sorry we can't be more helpful. Its counter intuitive and frustrating because of this lack of formula. Getting mad at us won't help and neither will getting mad at women.
I havent been able to get into a longterm relationship and it's been eating at me for all of my adult life. It's hard to feel like you aren't getting what you want. I'm sure we all feel it.
Trust me I understand. I've wondered the same thing. The point is you become more attractive to women if you are a more well rounded person. For example, my friend who couldn't get anywhere with women learned how to talk to them as people and was more successful when he did try and find women to date. I've always had a lot of female friends so I'm good on dates and good at getting girls to hook up with me...but my desperation to be in a relationship is what kills that part lol.
Think of it this way. If you are a girl...do you wanna fuck the guy you seems like all he's tryna do is have sex with you? He can't string together a sentence that doesn't seem to try to get you into bed, and he's not that interesting because all he thinks about is sex. Does that sound appealing? Or does someone who seems at ease with you, doesn't seem desperate, has hobbies and friends and a fulfilling life...that sounds better, doesn't it?
Make friends at events without trying to hook up with them. Those friends might be able to give you advice, set you up, or just make you happy with their friendship.
[–]willgo-waggins1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I have - over the past almost five years - hooked up with, dated, had a LT relationship with (year and a half) and am still FWB’s with over two dozen women from my Meetups social group. I have never yet walked in to the group social events (they are NOT hookup groups at all just social activities groups for adults) with the intention of scoring tail or a GF.
I go with the intention of hanging out with friends and having a fun time and enjoy the activities. Of making new friends and connections. I go with the knowledge and confidence of being in a comfortable environment and I PROJECT this aura. I don’t overheat or be an assertive ass. I am always participatory and helpful and generous (I am very good friends with the organizer and host events often and help her out both financially and working to help mount the events on) doing things like hosting the group at the local favorite live band spot and reserving us a private area to gather at my own expense.
The results speak for themselves. Women come to me. They are attracted anyway but I have made myself a man of value and a desired partner both sexually and more.
You keep telling everyone that they aren’t answering your questions but you aren’t telling us how YOU are acting when you approach that is resulting in continuing failures.
I have to speculate though by your responses all being very negative, smart ass and sarcastic that you are likely projecting an incel attitude of blame of the women and are running them off by projecting that shit on approach or conversation. Women smell that crap across the room.
I'm guessing ur not addressing me bc I fully agree with you and am tryna say the same thing lol
[–]willgo-waggins2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol no. The guy above you.
Just making sure. Was super confused
Sorry I think I hit the wrong reply spot for that. My bad.
[–]bomko3 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The point is that leaving her on read changes you a little bit, every time you resosted.the urge to do something desperate it changes you a little bit. You are starting to respect yourself a bit more, becoming a bit more confident and daring which starts to show in conversations and thus getting dates
How does it show through in conversations? Explain that please
Becomming more confident will make you more assertive and more confident to say what is on your mind. You wont feel intimidated by the beautiful woman and thus be more bold which will make you more attractive
Okay I will try this out.
I might still end up miserable.
But I will give this a try
[–]RobMosaku3 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Incel much?
Got nothing more constructive to add?
No you are coming across as a complete incel.
You are blaming everyone else - the people here, women and whoever - for your problem. Instead try some serious self reflection and maybe some counseling to figure out your super shitty attitude and improve it.
No one is entitled to anything in this life.
But the feel-good positive stuff I always hear out and about is frustrating and makes me miserable.
And I've gotten exactly one comment with a little bit of actionable advice in here that wasn't vague as hell.
You all have zero empathy for people who keep consistently failing.
Totally untrue.
There are a number of us here that only hang out to help young guys like yourself to find what they need to be successful in gaining what they want out of their interactions with women.
I am 51 years old and very experienced. And not because of some magic talent or inherent ability. Because I have structured myself and who I am to be of high value and attractiveness to women. And it had paid off handsomely in life.
It starts with you and what you are projecting.
You are projecting failure and therefore you become a self fulfilling prophecy. It starts with adjusting that attitude and not dwelling on the past. We cannot change that so we modify to what we want to be or have happen for us going forward.
So I change my attitude and then I'll get laid no matter what 🤣
You won't begin to go in depth about the conversations you have with women
That was not in any way what I said or implied.
What I am saying is that by incremental improvements you will increase your chances of success to the point where over time (not forever but be prepared because you are starting from a pretty big deficit) you will come to realize that you are succeeding better and better until you have complete success and learn what you did right and how to replicate that.
That could be a long-ass amount of time
It could. But it shouldn’t take that long if you are truly making the effort.
I got told that in college, put in the effort, lived in the dorms with a bunch of horny people, and nothing.
It's a game of luck, that's been my experience
[–]RobMosaku1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Dont be a incel.
Okay, I'll try to ignore everyone talking about how easy sex is, I guess?
[–]RobMosaku0 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Maybe dont be a incel thats a good start.
You're being so descriptive right now :) you're such a productive person.
Do you just hate incels?
go get laid bro.
Tell me how to do it and I will.
That's kind of the point of this sub.
Just go do it. Stop being a incel
I don't know how, that's why I'm here :)
Get off the internet and go talk to girls IRL and on tinder etc. Problem solved dude
Problem not solved... I asked out over a hundred girls last semester, and only got two dates.
Can you just not do any better than that?
Dont be such a incel then bro, your the problem not the 100 girls.
I'm the problem because I got 100 rejections that weren't in my control. Buddy, I don't think that's how that works.
Do you need a hug? You seem really spiteful for no reason
Wasn't in your control? there's your issue. Everything is in your control take responsibility. Also please quit talking to me incel, I don't care why you cant get laid lol. Work on yourself or get out!
I'm the kind of person this sub is trying to help... uhm... is this seriously as much of a circlejerk for people who can get laid as it looks like?
Consent is out of your control. You wouldn't have sex with someone who told you no. So no, not everything is in your control. Not rocket science.
If everything is in my control, you should be able to give me a step by step list to getting in a girl's pants that isn't "take responsibility" or "go get laid" or "be yourself, have confidence"
This sub could be such a powerful tool! But it isn't, because of people like you
If they are saying no it's because of YOU which is in your control if you're saying that 100 girls won't sleep with you and your this invested in getting laid. Then something is wrong with you that they don't want to even be around you. I've looked at your comments and you've listed out steps to work on yourself and beEN nihilistic about it. Why does nobody want to sleep with you? because you are either unattractive or attractive but sounding desperate or your just straight cringe/Creepy or autistic when you talk to girls. Look at hiring a coach for social skills not getting laid. Again if nobody wants to sleep with you then there's something wrong with you not them. Like 100 girls told you no? YOUR THE PROBLEM, WORK ON YOU TO BECOME A BETTER CATCH.
Maybe having some specific advice in a sub about seduction would help.
It's not like I'm not still trying and failing every fucking day bro.
You just told me the obvious. And still haven't gotten into the meat of it. Lol.
Are you ugly? where are your pics asking for advice to make yourself more attractive?
Do you want me to send a picture? Are you gonna hate on me and get angry again?
I dont give a shit what you do, and please dont. Understand that your being a toxic incel right now. You obviously havent worked on yourself enough as a man and your look. If you had and you talked to 100 girls and talked to them you would of at least gotten a few nudes. Ending this discussion because you need a life coach not help on Reddit. Goodbye.
Man you have some weird fascination with calling me an incel even though I haven't said anywhere I have any problem with women. It's like you want to hate me because you don't understand me. That's actually toxic.
Yes, I do expect advice about seduction in a seduction sub. That's why it's here Einstein.
I will make a post about how to change my look.
[–]maplemario3 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're massively missing the point here
You don't leave them on read forever when you leave them on read
You leave them on read until you have something relevant to message them about. Figure out how to find things to message women that are relevant to both of you and show at least some kind of value. If you know she's into fitness, send her a video of yourself doing something impressive. If you know she's into wellness, send her a nice pic of a healthy meal you made. If you're both into fucking LEGO star wars, and you make a lego replica millennium falcon, send her that. That's the crucial next step that makes the "leaving people on read" advice actually work.
Notice he only saw her message in the morning after having a great time and leaving - there's ZERO point in texting her back then unless you have something valuable or relevant to say and intend to start a new convo. The moment had already passed.
This here is EXACTLY the correct point!
I literally just did this five minutes ago.
I had a woman who we had a serious mutual interest and good thing going on. I had left her in read for a week two weeks in a row. She is Christian and I am not. So she is super into the big family (she has young adult kids and one grandchild from her oldest) Christmas extravaganza and has claimed being really busy. I don’t see that as an excuse for not even sending a little ten second “how are you” type thing so I sent her to the read pile while I’m okay with other possibles. Today is her birthday so I sent a happy birthday/guess you’ve been busy/or if you aren’t interested let me know text because she did respond after the first week gap. But that’s it. No more from me but a delete from my phone if she either doesn’t respond or blows it off with some lame response because I have a number of other possibles (including the one that spent the night with me last night and a different one coming over tonight) to work on who aren’t too busy at Xmas to work in communication and a get together.
[–]Moxiecodone -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Start weight lifting and cardio immediately, stop masturbating to porn, don’t drink or use drugs, and TALK to women. Just ask questions about random shit. Go to a strip club and just talk to the strippers. Pay for an escort to talk to and have sex. Stop over complicating shit. Lower your bar. Lower your standard if you aren’t achieving. Then move it back up.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Lmao.
I had normal conversations with over a hundred girls at my college last semester. None of them worked out.
What will make the next hundred work out anyway?
[–]watergate_boi0 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Your language sucks. It's so defeatist. You catastrophise everything we say and turn it into a worst case scenario outcome. We give advice and you throw it back at us in a rage. If that's how you interact with women then no wonder you are incel bro
You want me to post examples of some encounters?
It's not like dating is easy. I don't throw comments back at women irl
🥸
Let me just be nice and pleasant to women, and magically one of them will see what a prince charming I am, and after a nice normal talk, together we'll ride off into the sunset to bang our brains out
Nice! That's the spirit bro
Keep telling myself it'll happen tonight and keep being disappointed even more when it doesn't happen?
[–]merchant_of_mirrors 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It's not going to fall on your lap. You have to talk to the women first. Yes it sucks but that's part of being a man. You can demonstrate high value in a lot of ways, the way you carry yourself when you walk, the way you dress, the way you talk to people. You don't have to directly convey that you get girls at all. You just have to look like you got your shit together, they'll assume that getting girls is part of that.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, it's not gonna fucking fall in my lap. I got rejected over a hundred times last semester.
They might or might not even care that getting girls is part of that. And the way you talk to people has to be perfect to seduce someone, like walking on eggshells.
[–]merchant_of_mirrors 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It doesnt actually, not at all. If she finds you attractive you can talk about anything and she'll be all over you. If she doesn't, nothing you say will make her like you. If you've been rejected over a hundred times in a row that's a failure on your part. You are the common denominator. Either you act very low value or you don't put enough effort into your appearance. Based on your attitude I'd say it's the former.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Okay sure.
How do you act high value, and how does it show through in your conversations
[–]merchant_of_mirrors2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Body language conveys a lot. Stand up straight, chest slightly pushed out, shoulders back. Face the person directly when you speak to them. A healthy level of eye contact also goes a long way. Don't talk fast, speak with purpose. Don't mumble. Don't say things like uh or umm a lot. Speak with clarity and confidence. Be direct in what you say. This doesn't mean be serious all the time. It just means that you need to make the person feel like you 100% believe in what you're saying. If you are serious about actually learning check out charisma on command on YouTube. They will do a far better job than me explaining but it is real and it will work
Thank you! I am planking every night trying to make my slouch better, might have to look for other ways to do it.
Also trying to work on fast speech. No idea what to do about that but might try CBT or something.
I'll check out that channel
[–]merchant_of_mirrors1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yeah no problem, if you're slouching that's often an upper back thing, do some lat pulldowns, that definitely helped me
[–]Moxiecodone -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If the sex point is really messing with you, go pay for an escort. There’s no shame. It’s better than devolving into an incel. If you don’t just get this shit out of the way your mind might become deranged. Talk to any girl you can. Fuck whoever will fuck you. Like I said, worst come to worse, pay an escort. Remove your roadblock.
How do I find out if someone will want to fuck me?
According to everyone in this sub that's not how it works.
I'm not gonna go buy a hooker if you're telling me it's as easy as "go talk to a girl, and just fuck her if she wants to fuck"
I'm fine offing myself before too long. I've tried too many things too many times.
[–]chemicalmamba 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe it won't happen but I've definitely lost the interest of a few girls who were otherwise into me because I seemed too desperate.
Things not working out will also not bother you as much. I'm not saying you should be aloof and stuff but in the original post it was kind of an extreme case of someone not valuing OP. Being a doormat and a lapdog won't guarantee action either.
[–]LevelUp84 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Key issue here is, "wait". You don't do that man.
What are you even talking about
He left this girl on read... that's the definition of waiting.
[–]Moxiecodone -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t wait. Move on to the next one. You can still chat with any number of them but don’t put all your energy on one woman, unless you found one you’re going to marry. Talk to them all. Prospect the planet. Become social. Just do the numbers and you will figure out your problem. You have to put yourself out there and fail where you need to learn.
[–]ksmith11011 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
She keeps escalating, gets more desperate, finds excuses to come see him at work and go to his house, etc
If you do this with women who waste your time they’ll often orbit you for a while which if nothing else can boost your self esteem. Makes you feel like you have options even though you know they’re just desperate to confirm you still like them.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I don't know where I'll find someone like that but I'll keep trying
[–]ksmith11011 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
They’re all like that. You just have to listen to your instincts. You know how when a girl texts you sometimes you get anxiety thinking of a good response?
Just don’t respond if you feel that. Doesn’t matter if she did anything to warrant being left on read. You feel the anxiety, take the easy way out and just drop the conversation right there.
The first time you do this it feels crazy and self destructive but when you see the results you’ll realize some things about women.
Oh my god dude. My instincts are constantly wrong, I didn't grow up learning about sex.
You're guaranteeing that she's gonna just start getting all over your case if you leave her on read?
[–]ksmith11011 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope. Expect probably half to never text you again.
Risking that loss is where you get your power. In my personal experience it’s like 1 out of 5 that will actually give up, the rest will start coming after you harder. But I expect every one of them to go away for ever. They just don’t.
Also only do that with women who are wasting your time.. the ones who genuinely like you and aren’t playing games you’ll feel less anxiety with. No need to screw up a good thing for no reason.
Ok I need to start leaving people on read. Will post whether that works for me.
Thanks!
He already went home, and he's suddenly less interested in chasing her. She'll pick up on this almost right away. If she's interested even a little bit, it will make her reconsider. She might even double text him. At that point the ball is in his court and he can try to set up a one on one date. This is where he's most likely to succeed
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's a big "if" and he might not get the ball back
She has a lot of other people to talk to who aren't him
[–]Daunt02 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
He's not desperate which adds to his innate attractiveness.
Surprise... she didn't get back to him
So it doesn't matter
Seems like you're the only one that gives a fuck while he's talking to other women.
All I know is that in my own experience I've been rejected hundreds of times, and there's no controlling what someone says
[–]willgo-waggins 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I noted that to.
The “groups” thing is only useful for unknown cold pick up. When you have a nice mixed group of girls and guys you look very high value. They are with you. They enjoy and appreciate your company. You are desired and valued.
But a get together to go to a club you with your partner and her with her girlfriends? That’s a recipe for disaster unless you are already hooked up and plan to leave together.
[–]jam-unam 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Every one likes to play games right? I’m just saying she can let her imagination go with whatever if he doesn’t want to respond to her. I wouldn’t she bailed.
[–]Zorrowski 4 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
STAY TOXIC reee Edit: why the downvotes, its a meme on tiktok lol
[–]jam-unam 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean she wasn’t that cool so her imagination can drift while he doesn’t respond to her. Girls like to play games? So can dudes lol
[–]Canadian-Seductioner 72 points73 points74 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Cool story bro
[–]Foxsundance 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man!
[–]funkduder 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She's not a 10/10 if she treats you that way. Always carry your own self-respect
[–]Foxsundance 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, yeah ur right, she was a 10/10, but well... not anymore.
[–]Extra-Boysenberry 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
King shit
[–]insomniac_321 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
👑
[–]loofyd 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
well done
now move on to the next girl
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Good. Now talk to other girls.
And if she texts you, go straight for the fuck. Then leave.
[–]educatedmedusa22 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
what a wise advice
[–]Dwaynedibley24601 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She's young and hot and does not live in a world that does not revolve around her.. proud of you... shes not worth it
[–]Foxsundance 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just another girl with an inflated ego.
[–]Woujo 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you need to completely next this woman. She is treating you like shit.
[–]Foxsundance 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just another girl with an inflated ego from all the simps, simping at her at any chance they see.
[–]Electric_kundalini 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She expected you to simp over her
[–]Psychological-Level9 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Maybe I’m the minority opinion but I don’t think you’re exactly in the right based off what you said in this post. 1) it was clear from the get go that she was going out with a bunch of her friends to a nightclub. She messaged you and was obviously drunk. This was never a date or suppose to be one on one time. This is her going out with friends…your time was not disrespected because you decided to go 2) she danced with you so there was obviously interest. Again, she was out with friends in a night club and she doesn’t know you romantically. Of course she didn’t keep dancing with you…she was probably just moving with her friends 3) it is up to you as the guy to escalate- you obviously didn’t do that and now for whatever reason you feel disrespected.
I think you’re wasting an opportunity- I’d personally go out with her….but if you’re going to blow it because you had a false perception of what last night was going to be about, go for it.
[–]Foxsundance 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You might actually have a point.
Except she wasnt drunk at 9 pm.
The key difference her would have been getting in with her friends.
That would have drawn you into the group and allowed for continued contact and escalation with her.
No question she is interested but you will need to find an isolation opportunity if you pursue this.
[–]daring_innovator 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Never tolerate women that don’t respect your time king. Communicate your boundaries and what you won’t tolerate the very second she fucks up. If she isn’t with it then that’s cool too because we got 5 other 10s lined up to replace her.
Never chase, let it be known that you’re a man with integrity/options and be willing to walk away from her without hesitation. Anyway, she might be a 10 but at the end of the day you’re still the decision maker; The Man & you hold more power than she does. 👑
[–]immatonton 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Someone told me once, I just think it’s funny, but totally relevant:
“Show her you’re a king, leave her on seen.”
[–]PondScum420 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is she latina? Sounds like my endeavors trying to date in Mexico, people stay up partying so late here, I can never keep up lol
[–]Foxsundance 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I dont really know, the club closes at 5 am, im not sure what she was thinking when she texted me that at that time, not a chance I was waiting for her lmao.
[–]merchant_of_mirrors 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Your mistake is going out in a group. Too many distractions and too many cockblocks. you absolutely did the right thing by leaving to do your own thing though, she clearly wasn't respecting your time. Wait a few days, then hit her up to hang out one on one. If she tries to set up another group hangout, tell her you're not interested in being her friend and that you only want to hang out one on one. If she says no tell her to have a good night and go on with your day.
[–]Foxsundance 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hitting her up again isn't on my mind
[–]merchant_of_mirrors 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good that's the right mindset. I get the feeling she'll hit you up though. Likely within the week. Just don't take her behavior personally. She's sounds like the hot party girl type. Those girls are notoriously hard to make plans with and they got simps all over them 24/7.
[–]leomonade9 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Next
[–]aidsjohnson 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good. Fuck her. Don't let women waste your mf time.
[–]eckzotic 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Props to ya
[–]creative_i_am_not 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you don't care to a point where you made a fucking reddit post about it lol
[–]aidsjohnson 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but it's for the benefit of us kings lol 👑👑👑
[–]Foxsundance 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too bad, suck it up.
[–]maggoznem -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bro..SHE approached you?!? What did you expect if nothing comes from you? You are the male and have to lead. Wake the shit up and get going #nomoreexcuses
[–]Psychological-Level9 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, this is a weak post. He invited himself to her night out, she came up to him, and now he feels disrespected lol
[–]Shawager -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Também sou Português. Sei o quão confusas podem ser as gajas de cá, mas provavelmente só dava like na mensagem ou mandava-lhe algo que demonstre que te estás a cagar tipo "Só vi agora kk"
[–]hudsonv11 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think this is yours 👑
[–]cyrusol -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
"This girl left me on read irl so I left her on read in the virtual world. I really showed her, ha!"
[–]Foxsundance -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
How do you leave on read irl?
[–]cyrusol -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
hey decided to leave us to dance with other people without saying anything or inviting us
You blind or what mate?
[–]Foxsundance -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That isnt leaving on read, leaving on read is to see a message written and not reply to it.
[–]cyrusol -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, sure, keep telling yourself myths, mate.
[–]Foxsundance -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sure, she "leaves me on read irl" whatever that is, and later decides to text me. Yeah whatever man.
[–]cyrusol 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She was really interested in you when she was dancing with that other dude!
[+]GlitterSnatchCyTex -24 points-23 points-22 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It sounds like you two are having two completely different relationships. Y’all need to talk, for real.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No he doesn't. He barely knows her, and she outright disrespected him.
[–]Global-Bridge-6787 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What relationship lmfao? They’re not dating and this isn’t 1921.
[+]GlitterSnatchCyTex -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Honestly don’t care. No skin off my back either way.
[–]SentientCouch 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It sounds like you and the guy you just responded to are having completely different relationships. You should talk it out.
[–]GlitterSnatchCyTex 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m open to it.
[–]aStonedPanda94 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You did the right thing, she treated you like a back up option
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