How much the game changes for short guys, when they gain muscles?

ghostcatzero · 2025-11-21T22:49:30+00:00

Don't let others fool you, they can help especially if they help with your self confidence

Zenis · 2025-11-21T23:39:44+00:00

Women like short muscular men more than short fat men or short scrawny men.

Commissar_David · 2025-11-21T23:26:58+00:00

Girls don't admit it, but they go crazy for muscles it feels like they respect a guy more who takes care of his body. It's not the only thing that matters, but it helps.

DeFy_DC · 2025-11-21T21:26:57+00:00

Very little.

The muscles make little difference.

Compared to the confidence that you gain by going to the gym and being healthy. Working out, reducing face fat, being more confident in your own body and being able to perform better in bed.

That's what the difference is.

Fluix · 2025-11-22T00:58:30+00:00

Whenever this question is posted the top comment is always "it doesn't" and we all just cope and accept it.

Reality is that some guys aren't conventionally attractive, they get jacked, and still aren't conventionally attractive. You probably see a lot of them at any gym... guys who you can tell lift but still aren't good looking.

Meanwhile other guys get a glow up. Either a better face card and/or an attractive body.

Girls aren't going to those guys because they're jacked, they're going up to them because they're now hot... but they got hot by getting jacked.

It's a genetic lottery, and the only way to know if you win a glow up is by hitting the gym. Worst case you get in better shape, better head space, and more confidence.

mocitysoulja · 2025-11-21T22:30:45+00:00

im sorry but allot of guys are lying and saying it doesn’t make a difference??? like of course it does for raw attractiveness. im not short but i am muscular and its night and day the way women have treated me. i’ve had women approach me more often being at a higher musculature although dont take it too far with steroids but yes women will want to be with you based on how you look. of course there’s other factors but if you want a women to look at you and instantly want you, then you need to pass the eye test. otherwise you need charisma and confidence but it makes it easier to not have those things and get women

amf1015 · 2025-11-21T22:53:23+00:00

I don't know, I used to think it didn't matter but I had a supervisor at work who was literally 5'2 like with boots on but was pretty jacked and rode a motorcycle to work, dude was married but bored so he made a tinder profile at work just to see if he could get any matches.....he came back the next day at work and showed me his inbox and it was literally like 15 messages, nearly all of them said something about liking his physique, dude also got fired for hooking up with the main boss who was like 2 feet taller than him, maybe it's just confidence but I feel like it he was built like a normal dude he wouldn't have that much female attention

becomesharp · 2025-11-22T01:56:25+00:00

I'm 5'4". Went from chonk to abs.

Made very very little difference tactically when cold approaching (though keep in mind I was already a coach so skill level was relatively high), but good for self-image, how you feel, online dating (because low bodyfat makes face more attractive), and overall health.

That said, if you start out super short AND super scrawny and go from that to ripped, you will likely see a more dramatic change because youre going from a feeling of "girls can beat me up" to "i look like i can keep her safe."

It won't be insanely dramatic in cold approach, but it'll be more noticeable.

Also, the lower your skill level, the more things like muscles make a difference. Because theyre not being overridden by skill. Sort of like how size matters a lot in a fight when both guys are untrained. But when one guy is trained, size starts to not matter much because the skill of fighting starts to take over as the dominant variable.

Edit: By the time a girl sees your abs youre probably already getting naked with her so it doesnt change much, but there are few things more satisfying than taking your shirt off in bed with a girl and she goes "holy fuck"

takemetomosque · 2025-11-21T22:32:50+00:00

Lowering body fat make you look more handsome. Wider Shoulders, v taper make you look more masculene. Not a life changer but worth it

Vlad-le-souyon · 2025-11-21T21:43:01+00:00

leafygyal · 2025-11-21T23:57:59+00:00

Muscle gain boosts confidence and how others perceive you.

redmavez · 2025-11-22T00:29:11+00:00

They will write dissertations on how much of a confidence boost it is

thinkandlive · 2025-11-21T21:21:27+00:00

bigolboooom · 2025-11-21T21:23:43+00:00

righteouz · 2025-11-22T03:45:09+00:00

Too much cope in these comments. You should always strive to be the best version of yourself that includes being in a good shape. No one is telling you to be a huge bodybuilder at that point it’s strictly male gaze you’ll be getting attention from. But to lie to yourself and say body game doesn’t matter is ridiculous. Get lean… decent body fat alongside muscle. You don’t have to go on some extreme cut where you’re shredded year around but enough to stand out when wearing clothes.

db1139 · 2025-11-22T04:50:18+00:00

Life changing for me.

barlowaplesand · 2025-11-22T16:12:16+00:00

skip the gym. The coaches say that girls aren't visual, and so having muscles or being 6ft 5 wouldn't change a damn thing. They're 'not visual'

Of course, these coaches could be wrong.....

urfv · 2025-11-21T21:50:10+00:00

women don’t care about muscles as much. look around, women are dating and marrying all sorts of men. sometimes lean guys with androgynous features are seen as super hot. it’s good to have them when you’re short to compensate the height. but it’s mostly for your own confidence rather than for women’s gaze

sk07ch · 2025-11-21T21:32:07+00:00

Conversation skills and charm are way superior. But if it gets you a more relaxed mood around women go for it.

Whole_Caramel_7279 · 2025-11-22T18:10:37+00:00

“Gymcel" is a portmanteau of "gym" and "incel" (involuntary celibate), used to describe individuals (primarily men) who obsessively work out in the belief that a muscular physique will make them more attractive to women and help them escape their celibacy.

Aromatic-serve-4015 · 2025-11-21T21:53:29+00:00

it helps but it doesn't make you tall help. especially today when everyone is fit

RedPillAlphaBigCock · 2025-11-22T00:34:42+00:00

If it helps your confidence it will help

saadmeta4d · 2025-11-22T00:40:55+00:00

It always adds up, breeds confidence and attracts positivity

Quartrez · 2025-11-22T01:48:40+00:00

You should focus on being healthy and gaining muscle for your own goals and treat game as its own thing. Whether it helps you or not doesn't matter. If you start thinking about that the only thing it can do is make you put out mental roadblocks. By all means, work out but believe you're already the shit.

burncushlikewood · 2025-11-22T01:53:35+00:00

Lol, if you're short like me, 5'8, then muscles are the best way to get more attractive, muscles are important but there's a lot of factors at play that can make a woman attracted to you despite physical attractiveness. Money, personality, social skills and status play an important role as well. , I've noticed a significant change in my relationships when I hit puberty and got more muscular, i am currently around 233lbs with low body fat, and the biggest difference I noticed was that I got more confident in myself which makes a huge difference, I also noticed I get checked out more, and I get rejected less when I ask them out!

ImpossibleWaiting · 2025-11-22T01:56:07+00:00

It ups your attractiveness if you gain some muscle. Don't have to be too buff. You also get more energy for said game, which is a nice benefit. It also helps your inner game if you feel proud about your muscles.

metalincarn8 · 2025-11-22T06:16:54+00:00

Muscles help but your attracting another crowd. Its all about additude my man. I just had this discussion with some peeps, and honestly being present and able to show your peronalilty raises your attractivenes ten fold. This is why the best way to meet women, still, is through someone you know or someone you work with. A situation where you can be personable. You may not be the most attractive, but man, having a good addistude in person is GOLd. All the apps are fucked.

subheight640 · 2025-11-22T08:15:15+00:00

Women always appreciate a man that can lift her up and carry her to a bed. that's why you don't skip legs and back.

PrinceDestin · 2025-11-22T15:39:18+00:00

Guys it works wonders and I’m not even that bulky but reallly cut and defined, face card and demeanor plays a good role too tho

Famous_Witness2757 · 2025-11-25T12:10:10+00:00

Muscles are not important your height is not important...what is important is your penis size...you can be 5.5 slim guy but if you have 9 inches one nobody care..but you start to care and find cope like muscles and height and other things when you are small down there or average....

Diligent_Tutor9910 · 2025-11-21T22:06:53+00:00

Depends.

Overall, not much.

It really is personality, wit/humor...and money for easy mode.

If your short with muscles it'll put you on same playing field as a tall guy with no muscles

Few_Competition_1989 · 2025-11-21T23:25:12+00:00

I've been with 500 girls as a skinny fat guy before taking the gym seriously. You will be fine. Work on your game instead.

used_npkin · 2025-11-21T23:14:23+00:00

This is like the 3rd post I've seen this week on height. What is up with this subreddit recently?

No-Roof-6251 · 2025-11-22T01:58:02+00:00

NO BS ADVICE ! I use to have a friend who was really short but so handsome no homo and he was a poppin dj in the city and played all the clubs and he was muscular and tatted and yea he had hella girls all over him but he’s kind of awful so they never stick around but they would come tho I once seen a girl walk away from her bf to say hi to him at a club and the bf had to come back and get her . Height isn’t everything trust me . Also I’d like to add I once hooked up with this beautiful girl her bf was like 6’3 or something tall as fuck and I’m like 5’9 she still went for it

alanschorsch · 2025-11-21T21:41:31+00:00

How short are we taking? At 5’2 it makes barely any difference.

Film2021 · 2025-11-21T21:52:24+00:00

Muscles won’t suddenly make you look super hot, but they will give you the confidence to carry yourself in a more attractive manner

FalseFactsOrg · 2025-11-21T22:08:26+00:00

Title	How much the game changes for short guys, when they gain muscles?
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Date	November 21, 2025 9:17 PM UTC (8 months ago)
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