This Sub-Reddit is absolutely terrible.[META]

DaygameCoach · 2016-04-28T14:06:41+00:00

I agree with this.

Questions about specific women belong in /r/askseddit.

There are some good posters here, but many people ignore them in favor of commenters who have huge self-limiting beliefs and tell the OPs what they want to hear.

I'd like to add that people should search this subreddit before posting, especially if it is abut college, high school, or living with your parents. And, if you want to know (day or night game) where to game in your city, say what the city is, and if there is a seddit lair there, post there instead.

Also, seduction boards are not the right place for people who are ONLY looking to make friends. Read that carnegie book and move on. :)

Cuisine, Daygamer.net

69MarkyMark69 · 2016-04-28T17:01:02+00:00

I have quickly come to the realization that this subreddit is merely a space for insecure men that fail with women to vent about it and ask other failures for advice. I am reluctant to even read the books that people here have been suggesting because I'm afraid it will turn me into the type of desperate sopping vagina's that make up this subreddit. I've been here for about a week and the only threads I actually liked were the ones created by the guy doing the 100 day challenge. He set clear goals and motivations and gave a nice short field report about his day. Now, all I see here are people publishing photos of chats they are having (and failing) with women.

letsgetrandy · 2016-04-28T20:47:13+00:00

The problem with this sub is that, like most of Reddit, the people who speak the truth get downvoted while the people who say what everyone wants to hear get upvoted, so those who speak the truth become gun-shy and save their good advice for the one-off comments because that's where they're actually heard and appreciated.

You kids want a magic fucking bullet for getting laid, but you want it to fit into your distorted, inaccurate, touchy-feely, politically correct world view.... and anyone who doesn't fit that gets immediately labeled as some off-the-wall TRP'er misogynist.

The true problem with this sub, or any sub, is that popular opinion gets to censor truth. Upvotes and downvotes do not equal information.

RobinKennedy23 · 2016-04-28T12:09:19+00:00

None of the highly upvoted posts have been about how to get "one girl". Top posts this week have been about inner game, a success story, best way to use online dating, and self-improvement.

What are you on about?

Yankee_Fever · 2016-04-29T02:11:35+00:00

The problem is this place it too mainstream. It's a bunch of people trying to market their website filled with shitty general dating advice.

The name of this forum is "seduction" not personal devolpement. If you want to turn this place around you need to focus on routines and canned lines. Once you understand how and why canned material works you will become a natural. Confidence isn't the only ingredient

TheWhiteshadow187 · 2016-04-28T18:04:01+00:00

Honestly I'm only here because it's funny

TheMinistryOfAwesome · 2016-04-28T15:26:09+00:00

Thank you for this. In my posts i usually end up side tracked about the irrelevence of most of the posts here and ones that can be resolved to one of two problems:

you're over invested
just fucking do it (and see what happens?)
less circle jerk
you're over invested
AND -For
Clarity's sake
you're -over -fucking -invested.

Murfdigidy · 2016-04-28T15:52:57+00:00

Is the sub perfect no, is it a good sub, yes. No shit dude every subreddit is filled with idiots who know nothing, but it's sifting thru the horrible post to find the gems. A ton of helpful advice here

NewAndExistingUser · 2016-04-28T18:06:53+00:00

You're right, but I stopped mentioning this when I commented because people really get defensive. On top of that a lot of reading material now is dated, it's still light years ahead of most people don't get me wrong, but seeing the same kind of advice shown makes me think nearly no one here keeps up with the PUA community. Most times they need basic advice that should be covered IN THE BEGINNING, and advanced topics like building different types of relationships are non-existent.

We have a few people that give good advice, throwawaypua is one of them, but really decent posts are so few and far between.

PrinceofSpades · 2016-04-28T22:43:02+00:00

Saw one of the most successful men on here, who I learned so much from years ago, making a simple truth post and getting downvoted to hell and realized just how bad it had gotten around here. Stayed subscribed purely for the laughs, but it's been far more depressing than comical, much to my dismay.

I've been thinking about lifecoaching again since work is boring as all hell, so I may start posting here again... this time as a mentor and teacher, instead of a student. Especially since seduction has truly become so second-nature to me.

My date last night hit me with this one, and I honestly couldn't help but laugh: "I get to brag about the first date I have ever gone on with a guy, where not once did I think "when can I make my escape..." "

forbidden7ven · 2016-04-28T23:00:20+00:00

It's filled with people that "have it figured out" and try to peddle their method/e-books for money.

livetrueliving · 2016-04-28T15:30:32+00:00

you can learn something form everyone. Sam Walton said "everyone is doing something right". He built Walmart.

I enjoy reading posts form all different types of people. It reminds me of problems from basic to advanced. Every situation in a relationship is different, no one can possibly know what advice is good and bad for a situation. I think the idea is to change different things and simply change what doesn't get you your desired result. Mindset is test and experiment until you get it right.

The_Token_Black_Guy · 2016-04-28T17:47:52+00:00

I agree. Roughly two years ago it used to be posts about or guides to knowing how to say the right thing, timing, approaching, texting, etc. but now the past year or so it's been flooded with posts wanting advice such as noob here how do I start, what should I text her, how do i f close and other questions instead of reading the sidebar or browsing from the all time posts. That is just my opinion but the quality has gone down for sure.

bsutansalt · 2016-04-28T21:13:09+00:00

We need some successful PUAs to come back and comment.

You called?

These days I'm less into pickup and more into holistic mentoring over at TRP and in real life. I've trained somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 men and women over the last 7 or so years.

DeltaEmerald · 2016-04-28T15:03:30+00:00

I have to greatly disagree with you.

When I entered college in 2011, I met someone that actually used Reddit, which at the time was foreign to me, though I had heard of it and knew it was very, very big. It wasn't until a few days before Valentine's day 2012, that I randomly decided to check out Reddit. I didn't know what to do, so I decided to click 'Random'. A few clicks later, I stumbled upon /r/seduction.

The titles of the posts captured my attention. The first post I read on /r/seduction was probably an FR of somebody getting laid. I had entered college with high hopes. I ended up getting too caught up with school work, that I had no friends in my first semester. It made me really upset. Reading the FR of somebody getting laid, gave me hope. I went to the Top Posts of All Time in /r/seduction, and I feasted on all the crazy FRs(k-closes, #-closes, f-closes) of the time. I thought this stuff was amazing. Before that I thought successes were much more rare. Reading them prove to me that it was possible and that I could be successful too.

The one post that changed everything for me was by one of the former moderators, TofuTofu. He deleted all his FRs a while ago. Here is an insufficient outline of his FR. Its insufficient because unfortunately I can't remember all the details.

TofuTofu went to Santacon 2011 in NYC with a group of like 5-7 girls. He goes with girl A to her apt b/c she needs to pickup something. He plows her. They rejoin the group, sometime later girl A leaves. He somehow pulls away girl B to her apt and plows her, too. The same stuff happens and he ends up plowing girl C. He had a pretty good day. In his FR, he stated this as the 'kicker': that he didn't even once wash his dick.

Reading a post like that pretty much made him a legend in my eyes.

So, how did /r/seduction actually change my life? Not immediately, that's for sure. I still don't even workout, though I'm considered skinny and somewhat athletic. By reading FRs and seeing how all kinds of people can be successful, I began to believe that I could too. From the repeated phrases by sedditors, it was drilled into my head that:

It's a number's game. Success often involved a fair amount of luck. You could, however, better position yourself for opportunities.

Now, back to the idea that Game is a numbers game and involved luck. I decided to buy a ticket to a school dance, even though I would be going alone, without friends because I did not really have friends. The day before the dance, I was at an event (again, me positioning myself for opportunities) and I decided to sit near some people who I kind of knew (again, opportunities). Well, at the end of the event, one girl asked if I was going to the dance and invited me to go with her and her friends who I have never met. I agreed, we exchanged numbers, and the next day I met up with like ~10 people who knew each other already. It was quite a big step out of my comfort zone. On the way to the dance, I was being pretty quiet, and I noticed a girl being quiet, too, so I decided to talk to her. We ended up clicking and continued talking for the 4~5 hours.

We didn't even dance, and thank god because I was, and still kind of am (but not afraid now), a bad dancer back then. So, me, the girl, and her friends, walked back to her friends dorms, and then her and I decided we were hungry, so we split up to get some pizza. I had no cash since I was afraid I'd lose my wallet at the dance. She ended up paying, lol. A few moments later, and we're at her dorm in her bed, watching Netflix with my arm around her. (I invented Netflix and Chill, I swear.) I ended up not closing, out of choice, which I really regret. Anyways, I got a #-close and an h-close (hug-close), haha. I left her dorm at like 4am. For me, it just felt too uncomfortable to cuddle her to sleep (the warmth of it all).

I ended up not going any further with her the next few times we met up, but again, that was because of my own choice (so horrible, I regret it to this day). I felt like a king and I did try to become the better person I wanted to be.

I believe the biggest step in the whole process was for me to address my own shortcomings. I am a bad dancer, so the next year, I joined a swing dance club. I only went to a few beginners lessons, but the point is that I tried and I did become more comfortable with dancing in general. Slowly, through the past years, I have bettered myself, and I keep trying to better myself.

Back 4-5 years ago, The Game was the most recommended book on this subreddit. About a year later, Models had become the new PUA bible to read. I never bothered reading them until Summer 2014. The Game teaches you Pick-Up industry history and how you need a wide variety of techniques and an open mindset to be successful. Models taught me about polarizing, the idea of accepting rejection and filtering out women. Oh, and Models also taught me about the whole matching color shoe/belt/watch thing and a few other useful fashion tips.

The points is, OP, that for the kind of people that are here, they need repeated drilling of basic techniques/mindsets in order to step-up to the challenge. It took me a few years for me to be finally pushed to read 'The Game' and 'Models'. Things take time. And while, I don't find this subreddit to be as appealing as it used to be, I know that it is definitely benefitting the new peeps, which is what it is all about.

Thanks /r/seduction.

LunarStone · 2016-04-29T04:13:05+00:00

This thread is understating the issue.

Half of the posts I click on here sound like this "I fucked up, she displayed great disinterest, how do I recover so to make sechs with her" - YOU DON'T. YOU MOVE ON AND QUIT FUCKING UP.

Sure some mistakes can be recovered from, but to me it seems as if a lot of people are mistaking seduction with making any woman bow to your will under any circumstance.

AbundyFtw · 2016-04-28T21:00:49+00:00

I don't know, I think it's hard to avoid that newbies will turn up and ask the same questions over and over again(happens in too many subs to count), the knowledge is there in the sidebar, but still tons of people post the same stuff over and over again.
Maybe there should be a disclaimer before you submit a post that refers you to the sidebar and a) reminds you of /r/askseddit if you want to ask about a specific situation and b) encourages people to share/post valuable content or experiences.
Take my opinion with a grain of salt, because I'm mostly a lurker looking out for the high value posts that come from bloggers/experts a few times a month on inner game related stuff like fashion etc., because I'm mostly interested in the self improvement aspect of things.

nightblade09 · 2016-04-28T22:25:03+00:00

Can there be a flair for trusted people?

RaptorFalcon · 2016-04-29T00:05:52+00:00

Every time I comment with something that has actually worked for me I get downvoted to shit.

So I stopped. I just laugh at top voted stuff now and I continue to pull. No skin off my back if you don't want my advice.

JoshuaTaylor1309 · 2016-04-29T00:36:29+00:00

That's exactly why I don't comment in this subreddit. I'm just not the right person to answer most of the questions since I'm not that succesful yet.

When someone asks something like "What did I do wrong here?" think about if you were once in this situation/had similar conditions as in the given case. If not don't give an answer which you read somewhere but you didn't even try it yet or even worse what you just think is right. Unexperienced people can't really help unexperienced people.

ThrowawayPUA · 2016-04-29T00:51:41+00:00

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curtains20 · 2016-04-29T01:20:01+00:00

FWIW I read this forum for the amusement factor only and find almost all of the posts to be garbage. Not all of them, but most.

One thing I love is how every advice filled post is full of as much profanity as possible as though the OP is screaming to some drunk friend at a frat party. It's always:

YOU NEED TO WAKE THE FUCK UP AND GO OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING. LEARN A HOBBY, TAKE UP A NEW LANGUAGE, BUY NEW CLOTHES AND FUCKING TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE.

It's just so weird, and then it gets upvoted like 1000 times.

neryda · 2016-04-29T01:45:55+00:00

Also probably one of the subreddits with the lowest subscriber to post ratio I know. Feels like people are waiting for the holy grail advice post where some words will fix their lives. There's already lots of advice on the internet. Put yourself out there and share your thoughts and experiences on here. Interact.

Bobwithak · 2016-04-29T03:19:51+00:00

Someone please enlighten me how a PUA is different from the average Joe. Is a PUA a person that meorizes a routine? What's the difference between an honest Joe and a PUA?

brizzlebrazzle2287 · 2016-04-29T04:01:03+00:00

As a former Seddit lurker (and I think poster once or twice), I agree. This subreddit's mantra has become "Be yourself even if you suck!! Smile!! Tell jokes!! Confidence!!!"

Please. This is canned and generic. Much of this is make yourself feel good nonsense, it's not actually strategic, tactical or even original. Other subreddits cover sexual strategies much better.

eric_andre311 · 2016-05-04T14:31:29+00:00

I agree. We should banish all questions to r/askseddit and leave this sub for advice and field reports

acurael · 2016-05-05T13:23:35+00:00

I'm new here the only reason I came was to get advice on the girl I like. I didn't post anything about it but I found a lot of help in the book suggestions so I picked up models and how to make friends ... and it helped. But a lot of posts are about how to get laid, or have a one night stand. I don't know maybe I'm the only guy who just wants an actual relationship and not to have sex until I get to know the woman

Drogba006 · 2016-05-15T12:50:22+00:00

That's part of how theredpill was created, the advice is here is just shit and there's no discussion about what actually works with women. Just nerds talking HB10 K-close kino number close cocky-funny shit eating grin

yokhai · 2016-04-28T18:59:56+00:00

And what quality posts have you made in the past 6 months?

It's easy to say "OH THIS SUB SUCKS" but what you should be doing is making submissions to improve the quality of the sub-reddit.

Gustav_Sirvah · 2016-04-28T19:19:03+00:00

If you think that content here sucks - then you should provide good , helpfull content instead whining that it sucks. Be the change that you want to see. (And us, newbs, will be happy)

CrushHazard · 2016-04-28T20:31:26+00:00

Ask her if she likes you....

Good example of terrible advice given on this sub.

yoozio · 2016-04-28T15:49:02+00:00

This sub isn't that bad, but I do think that new content is futile at this point, unless it is a detailed FR. Everything that can be said has already been said--there is nothing new to add. All anyone has to do is read the top posts of all time, read the sidebar, and do a search for [FR] (filter the results by number of comments, you will find the best ones). This should take no more than a couple of days. After that, put what you have read into action. No one is going to get anywhere if all they do is read the same material everyday.

This is something that takes no time to get good at if you approach the situation with the right mindset. I think the reason why most people have a hard time with this is because they are socially awkward to begin with. As long as you aren't awkward, the rest is simple. If you are in this situation, learn to socialize first. Then all you have to do is approach after that.

mvpetri · 2016-04-28T16:27:28+00:00

When girls are interested in you, you'll know it.

Not all girls hit on me, but when they do it is 100% noticeable. So the only tip to "get one girl" is to see if she is interested in you.

If you think she is not, she is not.

If you don't know if she is, she is not.

If you do know she is, then she is. There is no error bar here.

So what is the deal about seduction? Improve yourself. Make you the seductive part.

suppermick · 2016-04-28T18:42:10+00:00

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GLOOTS_OF_PEACE · 2016-04-29T05:13:09+00:00

yep, i've stopped coming here because I was so sick of explaining the same basic thing over and over and over again. No one pays attention to the big picture

BestOfPUA · 2016-04-29T05:27:39+00:00

I created a similar topic here couple weeks ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/4f33bp/what_happened_to_pua_scene_and_this_subreddit/

I also stopped commenting here for the most part. The problem is the herd/hive mentality when bad advice is upvoted and good advice, that works, is down voted or some times insulted because it does not follow the herd/hive. Some people like mental masturbation with fake self image.

This place became a place for insecure man to daydream and feel good about themselves.

thrway178920 · 2016-04-28T18:24:35+00:00

Is this the thread where we get to complain and feel superior for it?

These threads do almost nothing in terms of changing a community. If you see something that upsets you call it out, if you see bad advice being posted then post your own "good" advice. Anything else is a waste of time.

2016-04-28T17:51:55+00:00

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VengefulMigit · 2016-04-29T01:23:51+00:00

Was thinking about this the other day. The neckbeards have infiltrated seddit

chowy26 · 2016-04-28T18:27:08+00:00

Instead of stating the problem and only the problem... Why not offer up some solutions either.... This belongs in r/rant

Title	This Sub-Reddit is absolutely terrible.[META]
Author	tony1449
Upvotes	469
Comments	135
Date	April 28, 2016 11:45 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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