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GitHub's new code of conduct "prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort," and therefore "will not act on complaints regarding ... ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ ..." (x-post /r/KotakuInAction)

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August 3, 2015
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Title GitHub's new code of conduct "prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort," and therefore "will not act on complaints regarding ... ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ ..." (x-post /r/KotakuInAction)
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Comments

[–]KngpinOfColonProduce[S] 38 points39 points40 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

They also won't act on complaints regarding:

"Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts" - Enshrining the rule, it's not my job to educate you. And

"Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions" - So, it's ok to harass someone as long as the harassment is in service of GitHub's/SJWs' ideology.

[–]nplant 24 points25 points26 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, "Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial".

And here I was thinking that tone policing is exactly what they do all the time...

[–]apullin 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The second thing you highlight there should be the absolute strongest point of the whole thing: Stripping away qualifiers, this document says that harassment is acceptable.

I hope you make that comment somewhere on the pull request.

[–]20rakah 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

did you see their new front page?

[–]masturbator9000 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Jesus christ, what the fuck happened there?

[–]the_leander 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nothing, so far as I can tell.

I took this screenshot just now of the front page.

[–]masturbator9000 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/GISQE7d.png

[–]the_leander 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think someone is playing silly buggers with browser ID responses.

I'm using Chromium version 43.0.2357.130 on Ubuntu 14.04

[–]goatsandbros 81 points82 points83 points 10 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Why does a code repository need to have a social justice policy anyway?

[–]rg57 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

All code must be written in C+= now.

[–]Gnomish8 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Because I always start my code with something along the lines of:

//ONLY MEN CAN WORK ON THIS
//WOMEN ARE INFERIOR AND CANNOT UNDERSTAND MY ADVANCED CODING
//ALSO ONLY WHITE PEOPLE - CAUSE PRIVILEGE
//LOLOLOLOL STEM BIASES

And because people are going to take this seriously, yes, this is sarcasm...

[–]BlacknOrangeZ 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Monster. I bet you don't even put trigger warnings in your code.

[–]Gnomish8 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I dug through some old code just to make sure I did.

And I found one time that I did.

//This section checks mouse clicks and converts them to trigger pulls

That's basically the same thing, right? :D

[–]Daemonicus 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

pulls

Triggered

[–]Jolcas 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot to put dick euphemisms everywhere possible, d+ effort man

[–]georgie411 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Its irrelevant anyway. Just because they dont believe in "reverse discrimination" doesnt matter. The law of the United States believes in it and its just called discrimination.

Edit

This is the craziest part to me:

"Physical contact and simulated physical contact (eg, textual descriptions like “hug” "

That's saying giving someone a virtual hug is sexual harrasment. Holy shit that's stupid.

[–]goatsandbros 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow... it really seems like they're regulating themselves out of desirability. Who in their right mind would want to use such a restrictive service?

[–]the_leander 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is Atheism+, tech edition.

They pulled this exact shit on their forums when all that kicked off back in 07-08. Even down to the whole "hugs if you want them". Asking permission to PM and a whole other bunch of utter, utter bollocks.

[–]MeatyTux 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So people with no code to contribute can still gain power by acting as the Stasi over those who do contribute code.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This was my thinking. Are they going to start checking the pushes for trigger words? Will they declare Node.js sexist and Java racist?

[–]rice_pan 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All commit messages must be PC to the highest degree

[–]hugolp 33 points34 points35 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because pussy.

Github nerd makes money, suddenly girl notices him and with the power of pussy convinces him something needs to be done.

[–]FrostytheSnowColt 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, that... and because he himself is a pussy.

[–]ProblematicReality 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Github is truly going down hill as of recently, first there was the "meritocracy" debacle, you know the one where they were using the slogan "United Meritocracy of GitHub" until SJWs complained that "meritocracy" is inherently sexist and racist because it treats people as individuals rather than groups, now this.

Their new found obsession with identity politics is going to lead to nothing positive, and let's not forget this little gem.

[+]scubaguybill 10 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

SJWs complained that "meritocracy" is inherently sexist and racist because it treats people as individuals rather than groups

I thought that was the entire point of the SJW platform - that individuals be judged as individuals rather than categorically as members of whatever group to which one assigns them.

[–]augustfell 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no, identity politics (whether race, gender, etc.) is very much anti-individual. "Individualism" is considered hopelessly naive and dangerous. Of course, allegiance to the group is gained through opposition to some other group. Thus, there is a heavy element of hate in many of these groups. Of course, SJWs would probably say that they can't hate, because hate = antipathy + power, or something like that.

[–]exo762 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are authoritarians - they have allies and enemies. You are with them or against them. When one's eyes are burning with a righteous flame of fight against injustice, there is no time for individuals - there is revolution to be done.

[–]Men13 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, that was the point - maybe - of 1st wave feminism.

Then they discovered that when women have choices - they tend to choose things that feminists find objectionable. So they decided to move to the whole "privilege" route: basically saying that there's an invisible force that helps one group over another group, and as such you can't judge individuals because this invisible force treats people as groups.

[–]Men13 38 points39 points40 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying we have to move our repositories to bitbucket? :/

[–]RedditorJemi 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. That's what Github just said.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So hard to find a website that loves to shove its ideologies in your face these days.

[–]MasterZapple 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

An older KiA take on things: https://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2ymi66/if_github_is_boycotted_then_what_repo_do_we_use/cpb3i4t

[–]Men13 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, they talk mostly about the C+= project. I don't mind if the remove "offensive" projects - I do mind them being so blatantly one sided though ("we will not consider sexism against men or racism against whites or cisphobia complaints")

[–]MasterZapple 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

New topic about alternatives on KiA. They also updated the list of github alternatives (which I linked before) with new notes.

KiA discussion: https://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3fqbgx/in_light_of_githubs_recentlyannounced/

[–]Men13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But again - they talk mostly about censoring C+= project.

I don't mind if they censor offensive projects. I mind that they explicitly state that being anti-white/male/heterosexual/cis isn't offensive.

I don't care about a specific project - that was offensive - being censored. I'm all for not offending people on purpose. I mind that they don't care if you offend some people because they "deserve it" or whatever.

[–]Men13 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That poster in KiA is actually... not all there?

They think that any place that acknowledges that racism/sexism exists (in any form, against anyone) is a SJW and should be boycotted.

https://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3fqbgx/in_light_of_githubs_recentlyannounced/ctrbzko?context=1

[–]andejoh 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In my mind you can either be welcoming to all or you could not investigate reverse isms. You would think a coder would understand logic.

[–]Spoonwood 23 points24 points25 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

At the very least, GitHub should get abandoned because of this. Possibly more.

[–]rice_pan 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

As a woman, I am considering this. This shit pisses me off - just because there are more men working in technology than women doesn't mean that men are trying to keep women out. It's just another imaginary struggle some women made up and spread.

Who the fuck cares about the genders of contributors? If it's good code, it's good code.

[+]josh_legs 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Here are just a few high paying industries tht are predominantly female:

Hr management Marketing/PR Real estate

There are more I just can't think of them right now. In any case, all this fucking safe spaces rhetoric is enraging. I'll definitely be abandoning github now.

[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here are just a few high paying industries tht are predominantly female: Hr management Marketing/PR Real estate

Veterinary science, psychology, nursing, high end modelling, biology

[–]disposableaccount900 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because this move is targeted to "protect" women, raising your voice against it is especially valuable. If you can, please do this or find other ways of making your opinion heard.

[–]redditorriot 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That may be the most self-contradictory pile of absolute politically correct, fainting couch, hyper-victimhood-enabling, eggshells bullshit I have ever read, ever.

Saaafe spaaace.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 30 points31 points32 points 10 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

Basically, the tech world has been the interest of males. It was undesirable and boring to women but men built it anyway. Now that its a huge industry women want a piece but it must be on their terms. So women (those fragile, oppressed, waifs) are dictating the environment they want and men are making it happen. Business as usual really.

[+]industry7 -19 points-18 points-17 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Um... you actually have that backwards. When programming first became a profession at all, it was considered "women's work" and was dominated by women. It was only after programmers started being paid well that men decided to butt in and take over.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Women used to do the intricate laborious work. Besides, you are talking about when computers were a mostly academic curiosity. There were no personal computers, nobody owned a computer. There was no industry and no social aspects to computing.

Before we get into this pointless back and forth argument, I'm a programmer. The first computer I wrote code on was a ZX81 which belonged to a friend (my mother couldn't afford one). I stole the next computer from a college and learned to code by getting books from a library. I paid for the second one by saving my YTS money and lied about how much it cost. My mother and grandmother told me that it was a waste of time and that I should learn something practical.

For as long as I can remember, programmers were geeks and girls wanted nothing to do with such studious, weak, socially inept characters. Countless movies provide evidence for that. Shows like Beauty and the Geek are another example. So don't tell me that my privileged white male status made it easy and don't tell me what the history of personal computing was like. I lived it.

[+]Throwawayingaccount -13 points-12 points-11 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not quite. There was an era in the late 60s/early 70s where women were the plurality of computer programmers.

This was well after the era of "I foresee a market for maybe five computers worldwide." While computers were well outside the price range for personal possession, computers were something that a business might have one or two of to handle payroll, or stuff like that.

Given that you are talking about the ZX81, which was released in 81, your experiences are significantly after this time period.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You think of programming like its typing? Are you one of those people who think hacking is like typing really fast?

[+]Throwawayingaccount -10 points-9 points-8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I am a senior in CS. I am quite aware of what programming entails nowadays.

I'm also aware of what it used to entail. It used to be that there weren't off the shelf programs to do stuff like accounting, so those had to be made. And writing an accounting program isn't too terribly difficult.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, I think I see the problem. Accounting software has been around for as long as computers were powerful enough to run it and affordable enough that people had computers to run the software.

The machines that were programmed in the 60s and 70s were very slow, very limited, huge, extremely expensive and rare. The earliest programs would be weaved into electrical circuits, programmed with metal rings on a pole (sort of like an abacus), fed in as punch cards etc. They would perform calculations that might occupy a few lines of code now. The majority of the work involved in coding was manual input and output, very similar to the work of a typists or switch board operator.

The design of the code was mostly performed by computer scientists using machine code, no compilers, no interpreters. This was all in a very expert domain. People generally did not use computers. When computing became accessible enough that anyone had the opportunity to write code it was mostly men who took it up and still is mostly men.

There are, and always have been, female programmers. They have always have been treated in a perfectly equitable way by male programmers. Programmers do not care about your genetalia, only your code matters. Even to the degree that 'female programmer' sounds uneccessary and strange to me. The people who complain are those who want special consideration for being female and these guidlines are a perfect example of that.

[–]RedditorJemi 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Citation please.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/computer-programming-used-to-be-womens-work-718061/?no-ist

While early computing, when computers were big expensive machines that took up entire rooms was mostly male, there was a significant point when computing was looked at as secretarial work.

[–]RedditorJemi 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok. Nice citation. I disagree with the spin of that article though.

[–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol... wtf? That isn't even close to a real source. It even reads like a propaganda piece.

[–]redditorriot 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We’d like to thank the communities and projects that established code of conducts and diversity statements as our inspiration:

Geek Feminism

Lol.

[–]rg57 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no "reverse" -ism. If it's sexism, then it's sexism, regardless of the target.

Also, there's no cisphobia, not because it's "reverse" but because we never chose the word "cis" for ourselves.

[–]chafedinksmut 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Beginning of The Fall of Github.

[–]gprime 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Obviously I'm missing something, because I don't see mention of Github in this text. The way I'm reading this is as a model code of conduct the authors want other communities to adopt. Am I wrong?

[+]FRedington 10 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-conduct

http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/

[–]gprime 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I appreciate the clarification. However, from the link you've provided, it is clear that Github is adopting the code specifically for the projects it controls, and is not demanding it of any other project hosted on their website. That is a fairly significant distinction that wouldn't be apparent from the submission title.

[–]josh_legs 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks like it's a CoC they're developing to make it easy for OSS projects to copy and paste it as their own CoC. I've run into this type of thing before. SJW types get some influence or strong arm a repo maintainer I to adopting these kinda of CoCs. A lot of times they point to these kinds of pre written safe space CoCs for them to use.

[–]azgult 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It should be noted that at the time GitHub adopted this code of conduct this language wasn't included; it was generally fair (if pointless) at the time.

[–]industry7 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Github did not create their own Code of Conduct, but rather adopted this one created by the todogroup.

[–]BigLebowskiBot -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.

[–]Spoonwood 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"We will not act on complaints regarding:

‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’" 

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination. Thus, it is a form of sexism. Consequently, the above implies that, if they are consistent, that if a woman sexually harasses a man, they won't act on it, because that would acknowledge the existence of sexism against men.

[–]derpderpderpnig 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I swear, the lure of feeling powerful draws so many nerds into things like this. I'll bet the guy who put this in place feels like such a big man.

[–]PaXProSe 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Woman*. Watch your privilege. /s

[–]MrStonedOne 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/56

Working on this. It only took 16 closed issue reports and prs before they kept one of mine open.

https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=author%3AMrStonedOne

I really liked this version: https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeofconduct/pull/53/files Removes all mention to welcoming, polite, etc

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is rediculous !

GitHub might accidentally kill itself. For no good reason too

[–]Funcuz 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I agree that there's no need to punish reverse racism but it's because there's no such thing. There's just racism. Same goes for sexism, ableism, purplism, goatfuckerism, etc. So why not simply think of things along those lines ... like people with basic human decency would do ?

[–]ExpendableOne 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"We need to make coding open and inclusive to everyone!!! Except white heterosexual men... because fuck those guys!"

-Tech feminism

[–]XPostLinker 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

XPost Subreddit Link: /r/KotakuInAction

Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3fmrcl/githubs_new_code_of_conduct_explicitly_refuses_to/

[–]Fizics 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There were no people like these insane SJW'S in my generation. At least I don't remember them, I'm pretty sure anyone making statements like Github would have been beaten on general principles.

I think SJW'S appeared because people stopped beating them up. Maybe you guys need to change your strategerie.

[–]oscillating000 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So...what exactly is "reverse racism" or "reverse sexism"? It really doesn't make sense to me.

If being racist means that you dislike people because of their race, and being sexist means that you dislike someone because of their sex/gender, then what is the "reverse" of that? Not disliking someone because of their race or gender?

[–]Daredevilpwn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No. "Reverse" racism is when you are being racist to the majority...in this case, white people. If a minority person has racist beliefs about white people then it is called "Reverse" racism.

[–]oscillating000 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know this. I just think it's a bad use of the word. If you hate someone for being white, you're a racist. If you hate someone for being black, you're a racist. You hate them because of their race. That's the definition of racism. There is nothing "reverse" about it.

[–]Daredevilpwn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. It is a redundant term

[–]Criticization 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/1SLL7Lj.png

GitHub Blame does wonders.

[–]TheDude413 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Chivalry is shit.

Create an alternative.

[–]iambecomedownvote 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if we really wanted an end to Internet "safe spaces", we'd drown them in complaints. We should be reporting every single commit to github until they don't have the manpower to even review the complaints.

But we won't do that, because we believe (wrongly) that by maintaining the moral high ground, they'll eventually see that they were wrong and change their ways.

[–]TheSeanis 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What disgusts me most is they say this:

We strive to be a community that welcomes and supports people of all backgrounds and identities. This includes, but is not limited to members of any race, ethnicity, culture, national origin, colour, immigration status, social and economic class, educational level, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and expression, age, size, family status, political belief, religion, and mental and physical ability.

And then they follow that well said, great statement with this:

Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

  • ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
  • Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
  • Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
  • Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
  • Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

I thought the original mission was all-encompassing. To go out of their way and specifically marginalize white people and men in a means to some how (and ineffectively) bolster any socio/economic status for a minority is absolutely appalling. I think it's fantastic that as a country or world society we are going the extra mile to help those who need help and support those who don't have the support they need but to actually go as far as to provide a room for prejudice toward white people or males is absolutely unacceptable.

[–]Nora_Reed 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't Github a global site? If the coders live in a Muslim country or in Japan...does the policy mean the white American man is allowed to be discriminatory towards people from his host country because he is the one who is marginalized in that society compared to local men?

[–]TheSeanis 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's part of the irrational thinking of that argument. It is so stupid to even consider. America isn't the only god damn place on the planet and white people sure as fuck aren't the most populous race on the planet. So what kind of stupid ass scope blocked type of thinking can this accomplish? Hell, there are probably plenty of actual places within the US that white people don't represent the majority of people.

Then you start dragging misandry into it and it gets even more embarrassing for them.

[–]Devvils 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if somebody complains about me, I say its 'reverse racism', case closed.

What a load of BS.

[–]mcavvacm 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well there is no such thing as reverse racism, just plain ol' rasicm no matter your ethnicity, culture or personal beliefs.

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