Question For Women that’s related to the RP posts I make, your answers to them noted and considered, what is your concern about dating or being in a relationship with a Red Pill Man?

LittyKitsune · 2022-02-04T22:39:45+00:00

Unpleasant experience with an ex whose actions aligned pretty close to stuff I found on the TRP sub after we fell out. I don't want to make the same mistake again.

Swans-r-cunts · 2022-02-04T23:49:35+00:00

I'll try and remain objective and unbias.

TRP is for men who lack intuition and who like systemising things. They generally lack the natural intuition that other people have as well as social skills.

I am naturally drawn to extroverted, intuitive men with good social skills. These sorts of men learn about gender dynamics through their lived experiences.

I'm also quite shallow - good looking men don't have struggles with acquiring sex - so they wouldn't be TRP by default.

hemaristhysbe · 2022-02-05T01:32:57+00:00

General nervousness around men who hate women but crave female validation to such an acute degree. Conflicted people make me uncomfortable.

sarkington · 2022-02-04T22:40:03+00:00

Red pill believes the genders are antagonistic and in conflict. That does not sound like an enjoyable relationship

crookedsummer2019 · 2022-02-04T22:48:30+00:00

I’m just not into guys who see women as less than them, and TRP ultimately does. My concern would be that my wish to be loved, cared for, and respected would simply not be met by a guy who is focused on running a game that’s intended to make me feel bad about myself and feel like he’s the best option.

Like why choose that? Would you choose to be with a women who played games like that? TRP is not relationship oriented anyway.

Superfluous_Toast · 2022-02-04T22:41:52+00:00

Their entire ideology is about treating women like children and relationships like a game they have to win.

Being with one is a recipe for a toxic relationship full of manipulation and paranoia and mind games.

Their mindset is twisted and skewed, and I want nothing to do with their bullshit.

goatismycopilot · 2022-02-04T22:39:16+00:00

Because the self identified red pill men here and in other subs sound like some combination of super troll/insufferable asshole who has an intense dislike or contempt for women and they sound either condescending, overly concerned with evening the score and who thinks my/women's interests and hobbies and thoughts and " career" are silly and stupid.

I mean okay think all that. But it just does not sounds appealing. Don't care how hot they are or if they drive a lambo or what their body fat percentage is.

flapperfemmefatale · 2022-02-04T22:40:25+00:00

I just find their views repugnant. They clearly have an issue with women. Why would I want to date someone who has an issue with women? Am I supposed to be flattered that I'm "one of the good ones"?

random_opinion_lol · 2022-02-04T23:03:44+00:00

First I don't agree with the red pill theories on women's nature. I don't think red pill folks respect women much in general, it seems they choose to view women as wild animals rather than people with intelligence and empathy.

I don't want any man I'm in a relationship with to have the outlook of: - it's just my turn, she's going to end up leaving me for someone taller/richer, woe is me, women are shallow bitches that don't truly love - if I treat her with any kind of respect or kindness or emotion she will lose attraction to me, so I must treat her with indifference and treat her like a dog rewarding and punishing certain behavior rather than communicating - cheating is worse when women do it - it's not fair how easy women have it, men have it much worse - instead of finding a decent woman I'm going to convince myself they don't exist coping by going onto men's fringe groups online and trying to become as hot as possible to exact revenge by rejecting them

I want my man to just be himself, trust me, and not worry about any of this nonsense because it truly is a waste of mental energy.

Self improvement is good but all that resentment you carry about the opposite sex is not going to make you happy. It's an illusion, overthinking, generalizing, and immaturity.

If you don't like how a woman behaves or thinks, stop being involved with her, and keep meeting women until you find one on the same page as you.

Flightlessbirbz · 2022-02-05T03:18:19+00:00

I don’t want to date someone who:

a) sees me as inferior, which is a core part of red pill ideology whether people wish to admit it or not

b) uses manipulation techniques like negging and “dread game,” which are pretty much indistinguishable from what narcissistic abusers do after the initial lovebombing period is over

c) sees everything as a win/lose game and will always be suspicious of me and fighting for dominance and control in the relationship rather than working with me as a team

d) thinks it’s “just his turn” so is not going to invest in the relationship

e) (this is the least important but still relevant) tends to overanalyze life... I do this myself, but I do best with someone who counterbalances me with more spontaneity and encourages me to stop overthinking, rather than someone who pulls me further into the vortex because they’re the same way.

You’ll notice I didn’t say “hates women,” though many RP men clearly do, but this always gets met with a bunch of denials, so I tried to keep to aspects of RP men that can’t so easily be hit with the ol’ “no true Scotsman.”

Basic-Distribution14 · 2022-02-04T23:55:46+00:00

TRP men don’t want to get married which goes against what 99% of respectful women’s interests. Even traditional style women. So essentially RP men are useless to women other than Instagram thots and OF girls.

bleb_ploleman · 2022-02-05T01:32:50+00:00

RP is small pp energy

lonely_mixtape · 2022-02-05T01:33:37+00:00

Red Pill is inherently selfish. Love is selfless. As soon as someone puts their needs above their partner's, the relationship starts to fall apart. TRP men are doing that from the start. If I were to be with a red pill man, it would mean being with someone who doesn't trust me, views me as less than, and is only with me for whatever way I benefit him.

When me and my current partner decided to commit, we promised each other we'd put in our full effort, even when the other may not be pulling their own weight. Even if my partner isn't giving me all I need, it's my job to put even more into the relationship. It's not about what I get, it's what I give. I trust him to do the same if I'm ever found slacking in my duties as his partner.

Someone who subscribes to trp beliefs would never trust me enough to make it through their rough patches, and wouldn't care enough to pull their own weight through my rough patches.

This is just what I've gathered from listening to the men on here explain what trp means to them. I know many guys differ on how religiously they follow it or the extent to which they believe it's true. I would be willing to listen and consider dating a guy who's trp, but I would have a lot of mistrust initially and would need them to explain to me the full extent of what they believe in. Even then, I'm not sure, because I know a some men here say they would straight up lie to get what they want out of women.

NarniaFox · 2022-02-05T03:53:16+00:00

TRP preaches non-monogamy and cheating, as well as keeping things casual. I've never done casual and I wouldn't date a man who was dating several other women. Nor I'd stick to a man who'd cheat on me or flirt with other women.
TRP promotes cold and hot games, negging, dreading etc. All of it is a major turn off. If I don't feel safe and secure, I don't feel any attraction either.
There's marriage TRP and it's even worse than regular one. I wouldn't build a family with a man, who considered me "the oldest teen in the house" and wanted by to be his helpmate while he'd "rule our family". I don't find this format of relationships attractive or alluring in any way.
TRP promotes "frame holding" and they tend to describe any annoyance women might have or cause as shit testing. I wouldn't date a person who couldn't open up to me nor someone who'd see my attempts to talk about some relationship issues, me having boundaries, preferences and my own opinion as shit testing.

Aquagurlash · 2022-02-05T04:01:58+00:00

Men who identify themselves as "Red Pill Men" have centered their personality around women. That's unhealthy and creepy.

listenyall · 2022-02-04T22:45:41+00:00

My main concerns are that I want to be in an egalitarian relationship with someone who loves and respects me as an individual, where we are each other's highest priorities. I think someone who believes in red pill stuff often thinks of a relationship as a conflict or competition of some kind and, worse, often thinks of the world at large as a kind of competition between men and women. I don't think it's possible to have the kind of relationship I want with someone who thinks that way.

Kaleidoscopiquant · 2022-02-04T22:33:14+00:00

It's not the RP worldview I'm opposed to, I agree with that. It's that the men who end up on a website to learn this stuff have something wrong with them in the first place. Naturally attractive, socially fluent men have no idea what "red pill" means.

houstongradengineer · 2022-02-05T02:57:45+00:00

1) I'm not an overgrown child, I don't want to be treated as such, and my career and my ideas have value- even if not in the bedroom. TRP says women are the oldest children in the house, right? No, that doesn't work with me. I'm an engineer. I'm also a well-rounded person who is capable of valid input for personal situations. To treat me as less by virtue of my gender would just be unfair and not fun for me.

2) Keeping secrets and having to battle adversarially about everything we want as if that's ever a good use of time... absolutely not, no. I want peace in my life. I'm so very willing to compromise, but not with someone who insists that most of what I value is inherently unacceptable. I don't want to live with or sleep with my enemy. TRP thinks that men and woman have competing lifestyles and values. If that's the case, at least between me and them, I'm out.

3) Marriage, commitment, and waiting at least a good while for sex are my values in particular that TRP loves to crap on. Thats fine, look elsewhere, but I have no incentive to change. I'm good, I'm so very good. Anyone who thinks "it's just your turn" isn't doing it for me- whether they are trying to manipulate me and fight me daily or not.

spinsterchachkies · 2022-02-05T16:22:04+00:00

Short answer. They are predators.

philomexa · 2022-02-04T23:50:54+00:00

At the heart of it all, the TRP dude is weak.

chromie96 · 2022-02-04T22:50:45+00:00

My problem isn't all red pill men. I've met and talked with some of y'all and you're decent and civil and i understand some of your talking points. My fear of dating a red pill man is the kind of men the movement seems to attract. They seem to be more traditional. Refuse to see the complexity to the issues in the world. Seem to think that because it's hard for men then its not hard for women. They want to live in an echo chamber much like the women they scream about.

I don't want to date a man that has openly talked about dating women he's not really attracted to because that's his only chance at a relationship. I don't want to date someone who thinks that what my rapist did to me is justified because he has "biological urges". Dating someone who thinks I'm going to cheat on them with "Chad" and doesn't see me beyond what i offer to them sexually.

Not all red pill men are like this, i know but its what makes me skeptical

Booexgirlfriend · 2022-02-04T23:15:31+00:00

I don't want an insecure man by my side. Also they don't want to get married. We're not compatible.

jenaemare · 2022-02-05T03:31:21+00:00

I like guys who are naturally charming, funny, etc. Not having read "strategies" on how to achieve it. If you are a man who needs strategies to convince the opposite sex to sleep with you maybe you shouldn't be mating at all.

IcarusKiki · 2022-02-05T06:51:30+00:00

If he’s not smart enough to hide it I dont want anything to do with him

OfCatandPagan · 2022-02-05T00:50:10+00:00

Because it would be a lifetime of constant gaslighting, isolation from friends and family, no real sense of companionship, being treated as inferior, viewed as lesser or as a mere barely sentient possession, being belittled and broken down, no sense of personhood, no love whatsoever, serial cheating would be something I'd be expected to put up with least I be called "emotional and manipulative", physical mistreatment is something that I would also expect here unfortunately. I would genuinely be surprised if I was allowed to have a hobby or even a pet as a companion, and even then the first time I say the word no to something or appear invested in the pet or hobby I'm sure that would be the end of what hobby I had or whatever pet companion I had. I notice this Red Pill community or ideology or whatever people want to call it (don't specifically mean this sub through and through) attracts people whose idea of being a man is being a monster. Looking at SOME of the people here who call themselves Red Pill......honestly you're awful people but at least it's somewhat in the open so it can be avoided to some degree. I have multiple reason or not wanting to be in an abusive relationship, due to the people this community attracts and how Red Pillers view women (we're either evil, dumb animals, fuckable juveniles or irrational entities) dating someone Red Pill could easily cost me my physical well-being. I'm sure there's Red Pill guys out there who really are good people, but it's not worth the gamble and being wary and having a backbone has kept me safe through most of my adult life. Also they, RP, don't do relationships of any kind besides hook-ups, so that also rules them out.

CrazyBaby8891 · 2022-02-04T23:51:20+00:00

My concern is not so much for myself since I'm not single and my husband doesn't follow any Reddit ideologies RP or otherwise, as it is for other women who are single or with RP men. TRP inherently views women in a shallow light and as inferior to men, relationships as transactional competition, marriage as undesirable, manipulation and abuse ("holding frame", "plating" and other PUA tricks, "negging", predatory age gaps, etc.) as the optimal way of pursuing women (not "a woman" but "women" because faithful monogamy is considered "beta"), sexist double standards as justifiable, heck even the "self-improvement" bit is all about looksmaxxing in order to "get laid" and there's no soul-searching self-reflection on a deeper level; in fact a sociopathic mindset toward the opposite sex is encouraged. The better question is, why should any woman want to be in a relationship with a Red Pill man?

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zan224 · 2022-02-05T18:56:59+00:00

1 - I don’t let any ideology dictates my life, or hold pre-formed opinions on people. I don’t really respect anyone who is a follower in that sense, especially if that person is consuming a per-make opinion on me, and uses a manual on how to interact with me on an intimate level, it shows weakness and lack of originality or effort.

2 - resentment, men are already scary enough for me as they are and it’s difficult to trust them deeply, why would i trust one who follows an ideology that is built on frustration and resentment?

Because let’s face it, it’s only the men who are frustrated, and maybe angry with women, who will seek out something like rp, and i have seen how theses people talk about women.. nice not at all.

3 - a red pill man will not like me, thank god. Im not a cow to be married by 21 to make as much babies as possible before i hit the wall, I don’t accept infidelity.. I don’t care if he thinks he’s hv or alpha or whatever.

Simply no thank you, I’d rather be alone than to be with an insecure, resentful, delusional man.

BlessedForeva · 2022-02-07T21:51:11+00:00

Please follow r/stopsimpin

thetruthishere_ · 2022-02-05T04:20:22+00:00

Like I said in other posts like this, I dont have to deal with them, Im too old.

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