Number of 'lonely, single' men is on the rise, says psychologist OP: More male hate from the Daily Mail. Another nail in the coffin for women trying to date.

kirewes · 2022-08-15T21:40:42+00:00

Women want emotionally available men yet whenever I try to be emotionally available or i see other men try to be emotionally available we are ridiculed and called weak.

It's a lose-lose situation for us the f*** are we supposed to do? We tell women to be straightforward with us. We tell society to be straightforward with us.

It's not.

Face_Puzzleheaded · 2022-08-15T21:00:32+00:00

So let me get this straight. There are a few million more women than the number of men in pretty much most developed countries where women aren’t aborted. And yet, more men are single compared to women. So how many women are dating the same man?

aries0413 · 2022-08-15T16:55:39+00:00

Yeah why can all men just be over 6ft make over 6 figures and have over a 6" c*ck. I mean its so simple.

Duchat · 2022-08-15T19:54:19+00:00

Article says partnered men are happier. Who are the "un-partnered" men? Divorced, never get to see their kids, living in a dump while paying a mortgage on a house for the kids, ex-wife, and her deadbeat boyfriend.

BalloonPilotDude · 2022-08-15T18:44:33+00:00

This has been posted before but that line about a ‘skills gap’.

It’s amazing how many arguments, complaints, and criticisms of men (in and out of marriage and no matter their history, intelligence or level of achievement) boil down to: ‘Improve yourself, you are not working hard enough.’

2022-08-15T16:50:00+00:00

Women are the primary victims once again. When will these men think of someone other than themselves?

Wrathful_Spirit_666 · 2022-08-15T20:13:05+00:00

Men being at fault again, how typical.

Legal_pharmacist · 2022-08-15T20:33:22+00:00

I’m married and lonely. Might as well be single at this point

the-lone-squid · 2022-08-15T18:21:58+00:00

men are typically healthier and happier when partnered

I was absolutely miserable in my last two relationshits

Single men are more likely to be unemployed

Yea, funny how I was able to retire at 41 as a man who was never married.

2022-08-15T20:29:43+00:00

I like how it's presents the issue as "men are single and lonely, cuz women don't wanna partner with them" how stupid? How about that men wanna be single and left alone?

Why is a single man "lonely" but a single woman empowered? A lot of men I know.. myself included are what the society considers "high value" and single.....BY CHOICE.. fuck this article..

p3ngwin · 2022-08-16T03:15:01+00:00

Men said to be lonelier than ever as they struggle to meet standards of women

That's a funny way to say "women struggle to have reasonable standards, leaving them lonely".

hifi3xx · 2022-08-15T19:32:26+00:00

Women bash and hate men so men leave them a lone and now men are lonely. Hmm wonder why

2022-08-15T22:51:52+00:00

I have never been happier since my divorce. I don't date, don't try and impress sloots. Just focus on me. If i get real hard up, i hire an escort.

rocket717_ · 2022-08-16T01:38:37+00:00

There's a solution to all this:

Poor = Get more money

Ugly = Get more money

Boring = Get more money

ISmellLikeBlackTea · 2022-08-16T06:13:55+00:00

More lonely, depressed men, women most influenced.

63daddy · 2022-08-15T19:05:56+00:00

I think his conclusion making is very flawed. He looked at dating apps and found there were more men than women, so concluded there must be a lot of lonely men.

Off the top of my hand I can think of several things wrong with this:

Not all dating occurs through dating apps. He did not include in person dating and did not include dating websites, which have far more women.
Many profiles on dating apps are bots, zombie accounts, inactive users, scammers, etc. Also, not all people are equally serious. Using the number of members is very misleading.
Just because there’s more guys than women on many apps, doesn’t mean their are more guys overall. It could simply be guys try more apps.
Even if a guy doesn’t find someone he’s interested in, doesn’t mean he’s lonely. Lots of guys look at the dating scene and purposely decide to stay single.

This article is a great example of why psychology shouldn’t be considered science. His conclusions aren’t based on an unbiased, random sampling study. He simply looked at some data from a very small subset of dating data and drew conclusions the data does not prove.

khaste · 2022-08-16T07:03:27+00:00

Nearly every comment ive seen from women on this issue still dont get it.

Most men arent acting entitled to sex or relationships. There is a difference between wanting and needing. the latter is entitlement.

Its ok to have standards, but its also ok for everyone to have their say about their dating issues/ struggles, and not just put them down with some ridiculous insult like - "shut up virgin, incel etc".

Apparently its sexist to even critique a whole sex/ gender now, especially when said gender/ sex can do no wrong supposedly. World is crazy

SecondEldenLord · 2022-08-16T07:32:25+00:00

"Women with higher dating standards look for partners who are are 'emotionally available, good communicators, and share similar values" - such bs, if it was true, they would've found such a man many many years ago, but no, modern women prefer to sleep around in their 20s with chad while complaining there are no good men, when in reality the real good men are invisible to them because of their egenetics.

AyowhatsgoodG · 2022-08-15T22:41:46+00:00

This article is hilarious to me because you can tell that it is extremely biased towards men. It’s suggesting that male loneliness is on the rise because women are simply “raising their dating standards and are seeking out healthier relationship and partners”. I personally never struggled with attracting women whatsoever, but "male loneliness” is so much more complex than "women are raising their standards so now men are lonely”.

Many married men feel lonely too, a lot of men have retreated to the online world and rather play video games, watch porn or tv shows. We need more strong brotherhoods and open up news paths for men to make friends with each other.

Edit: The study linked in the article also shows that the rates of unpaired men and women are nearly identical. 39% Men and 36% Women.

RatDontPanic · 2022-08-15T20:56:56+00:00

What nail? Women of today are less interested in marriage than ever.

2022-08-16T09:10:44+00:00

Here's what's left out of the conclusion. The men also must be loaded and good-looking too. Actually, those characteristics are more important than what's in the survey. But those aren't things social scientists ask. That means that there will be a lot of women who will be just as lonely as a lot of men, because loaded, good-looking men are of course going to pick the hottest women when its time to settle down. They'll just turn to sweets and carbs when they are no longer hookup material - at shock time they'll be even more unattractive than the men they rejected.

Bigb5wm · 2022-08-16T15:10:41+00:00

That article has some contradictions. 62 per cent of men make up dating app. Then later says with so many options women and men are more selective. The first part explains why men are single. The rest of the article is making things up without examples or even a women who is interviewed

beleidigtewurst · 2022-08-15T17:51:07+00:00

Could someone elaborate how men could be lonelier than women please?

Is it because women can install that swiping app, swipe in some direction, get sex, then regret it as the sexy dude could not care less about her?

Imissyourgirlfriend2 · 2022-08-15T20:36:57+00:00

I plan to soon be single and "lonely". I can't fucking wait. To go to bed when I want, to not have to entertain someone every second when I'm home, to not have her ask "are you going to take me out with all this overtime bonus you're working?", to never have her just spring "oh, my mom is coming to stay with us for a month, you cool with that?", to never be told I'm a racist, to never be told I'm a misogynist for saying men suffer to, to be free.

I can't wait to be single again and "lonely".

MGTOW

2022-08-16T11:06:07+00:00

Even broke ass (welfare, non-working, non skilled, disabled) women are pickier. When the state jumps into the competition to take care of a woman's basics needs even the lowest class of women somehow figure they're 'strong and independent' and get pickier.

The game is rigged. It's always been aimed at getting men to work more/harder. The more/harder we work, the more money goes to subsidize women. It's a nasty cycle and it was bound to hit a ceiling at some point.

Men are cost/benefit calculators. The benefit must be better than the cost. This is the profit motive. We know that you never get more energy out than you put in but the energy you put in has to be worth the return in some way.

Where is the incentive for men? Sex is free, even if it's just porn. But hell, if I'd rather jerk off than put in the effort to 'date' then maybe the problem isn't me - the juice ain't worth the squeeze. ha, gross.

Hypergamy floats. It's always going up. Always demanding more.

Compare that to the job market. Wages have been stagnant since the 70's but yet we produce more. The promise was always "if we (the company) makes more, you make more" but we're catching on. I believed that for so long and I busted my ass in my 20's and 30's. When I'd expect more pay I'd either be replaced or the boss would pull out a list of shit to knock my ego down so I'd shut up and go away. So, now I pretty much do the bare minimum to get by. I've learned my lesson.

Look at the labour shortages. Companies say "people don't wanna work" and people are going "yeah, fuck you, it's not worth it." Who's right? Who's tired of being guilted and shamed into doing more for less? Show me the money!

Where are the women willing to subsidize a man's lifestyle? Where are the women willing to 'date down'?

Women are so fucking confused about how economics works.

Men know that our main currency was resource provision, protection and commitment. Women (being subsidized by the state) don't need our resources anymore. The state also provides protection. All men really have to offer is commitment which is pretty close to attention. So, we're withholding our attention and commitment - the women are so confused. And when women get confused they blame men. It never gets old. /s

Women know that their main currency to attract men is youth, beauty, fertility - basically sex. Now they're older, fatter, more disagreeable, have kids and they're standing there going "where are all the good men?"

Keep it up boys. Starve the system. We want them more than they want us, but they need us more than we need them. When a woman withholds sex she's applauded. Let's withhold our resources, utility and commitment/attention.

SwiftStrik3 · 2022-08-16T15:38:29+00:00

I'd say a lot of men are staring to wake up and realize how toxic women really are and have decided the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Dating is dead and women killed it.

Even if you do get into a relationship They lack accountability. You've got no emotional support. You're required to do all the work in the relationship. You can do everything right and it's still not enough. You lose certain freedom's . The list goes on and on , it's like why bother?

Angryasfk · 2022-08-16T18:36:25+00:00

Love the bit that single men are more likely to be unemployed and financially unstable.

Wouldn’t be that men are more likely to be single if they’re unemployed, and certainly men who’ve gone through the ringer of a divorce are more likely to be “financially unstable”.

And it seems that all these articles keep coming back to that same set of somewhat rubbery numbers that seem to select a nice age range to show that more men are single than women are: the difference is about 3%! Something that’s easily explained by women tending to “partner up” with guys a little older than them (I’ve not seen evidence that homosexuality is significantly more common in women than men).

Btw, the psychologist seems to look the part.

Warder766312 · 2022-08-15T20:15:54+00:00

Meh, I’m fine with it. Already went my own way, I should be retired at 50. Contemplating just hiring a surrogate to have a child since that’s probably the cheapest and best bet now instead of getting married.

bfte2 · 2022-08-16T07:44:05+00:00

What's with with these concerned journos as of late, talking about "lonely single men"?... It's like someone flipped a switch and these NPCs started going haywire.

Ei44ghty · 2022-08-16T09:02:05+00:00

We should all be dating each other instead. Homies understand each other so much better anyway. let the human race dies down. I don’t see no future for humankind anymore 😂

A_Good_Redditor553 · 2022-08-16T12:02:22+00:00

Yup, the the has officially gone down hill.

So sad to see it go

ThatRandomCrit · 2022-08-16T12:11:58+00:00

Didn't I see this exact same article, word by word, but from another female psychologist?

Bigb5wm · 2022-08-16T15:10:46+00:00

That article has some contradictions. 62 per cent of men make up dating app. Then later says with so many options women and men are more selective. The first part explains why men are single. The rest of the article is making things up without examples or even a women who is interviewed

Bigb5wm · 2022-08-16T15:10:53+00:00

That article has some contradictions. 62 per cent of men make up dating app. Then later says with so many options women and men are more selective. The first part explains why men are single. The rest of the article is making things up without examples or even a women who is interviewed

Bigb5wm · 2022-08-16T15:11:00+00:00

That article has some contradictions. 62 per cent of men make up dating app. Then later says with so many options women and men are more selective. The first part explains why men are single. The rest of the article is making things up without examples or even a women who is interviewed

Timely-Fisherman1062 · 2022-08-16T18:24:32+00:00

LONELY? ha i say i don't need no woman in my life to be complete I'm a strong independent man. I'm alone but not lonely.

2022-08-23T13:07:25+00:00

Modern Western women don't tend to make great partners either. This isn't a man v woman thing.

DrewYetti · 2023-09-28T08:04:32+00:00

It’s such a convenient time for raising awareness of “lonely men” when the west is in heading to an economic, financial and societal collapse. One of the things these “lonely” men don’t have to worry about is debt and guess who’s the majority demographic that are in debt? Women. So in turn, these articles in lonely men is really to gaslight men who are happily single and financially stable into believing they aren’t happy without a woman so they’ll be oblige to commit to debt ridden women as the clean up guys.

soyjav · 2022-08-16T11:22:19+00:00

I remember,now talking about being lonely and that stuff,about one thing Andrew Tate said,you might not like him (im kinda neutral about him)but hell he was right here:

(When talking about mens mental health)

"As a man,you cant afford to sit here and cry and say,i dont wanna go to work,i dont wanna go to the gym,because you will lose against the men who dont do that,the male world is extremely competitive,and its women who pick the winners"

"So i find It funny that a woman is sitting here telling me that men are allowed to express themselves and cry and then does are the same men they ignore when they dm them"

Edit:this without even mentioning the fact that when men in a relationship open about their feelings,some women use that against them in later arguments but then they will be like "why men dont open to us?"

Strigon_7 · 2022-08-16T18:31:35+00:00

This was radio worthy news today at around 430pm in my country. Men are now forced to address their short comings as people as women are more financially independent apparently. I'm beginning to think the pendulums swing is almost fully in one direction, the swing back will be disturbing and uncomfortable.

thepogopogo · 2022-08-15T20:52:18+00:00

The right wing Tory loving daily heil shitting on normal men, quelle surprise.

nancybotwin1968 · 2022-08-15T18:21:05+00:00

I wish this sub focused more on legal rights, like equal parenting and no fault divorce laws. This reads as: Women have enough choice not to have to settle for a loser, while loser men are generally unhappy when single. dumb

maryhartman000 · 2022-08-15T21:53:39+00:00

Try being kind and honest and a good person - that goes a long way. If you run around screaming about how much you hate women, you won't get super far. No woman requires the 6/6/6, that's just ridiculous rhetoric. We are not very picky, we just want nice humans. If that is so hard, then there will continue to be more single men.

Guess_My_Name2448 · 2022-08-16T03:24:41+00:00

This article does not hate on men, or attribute male loneliness to some individual moral failing of men. It attributes male loneliness to technology, work culture, online dating, and stagnating wages. It only says males can INCREASE their competitiveness in the sexual marketplace by being more emotionally available and gaining career skills, because WOMEN care about these things, and WOMEN currently are the ones doing most of the sexual selection. If men valued career skills in women, women would be told the same thing… but men don’t really care about that.

2022-08-16T03:24:24+00:00

This article does not hate on men, or attribute male loneliness to some individual moral failing of men. It attributes male loneliness to technology, work culture, online dating, and stagnating wages. It only says males can INCREASE their competitiveness in the sexual marketplace by being more emotionally available and gaining career skills, because WOMEN care about these things, and WOMEN currently are the ones doing most of the sexual selection. If men valued career skills in women, women would be told the same thing… but men don’t really care about that.

Andrew__IE · 2022-08-16T09:27:29+00:00

How could psychologist Greg Matos have sat here and wrote about a skill gap that all men need to work on?

Is he pandering? Does he have experience?

His whole article is so off to me. How can he as a man not understand what it’s like to date as a man in the 2020s?

red_philosopher · 2022-08-16T17:35:13+00:00

u/copeharderhun wrote a pretty fantastic bit about women and men, and what women find attractive. In the context of Feminism and society, and the men and women in it, the conclusion is spot on. I would, however, like to clarify their work because it has a few errors that need brushing up.

We have to remember that the average person is not going to comprehend or understand the differences between "emotionally available" and "emotionally intelligent". Emotional availability is, by and large, the degree to which a person can share a healthy emotional connection. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516809/

Emotional intelligence, on the other hand, is generally the ability to effectively use, identify, manage, handle, etc. the emotions of oneself and to a lesser extent others. A certain degree of emotional intelligence is a necessary prerequisite for emotional availability. One cannot have a healthy emotional connection if one's ability to apply and manage their emotions is poor.

To make matters more complicated, "emotional availability" has long been twisted to mean being "emotionally vulnerable" (ie: sharing your emotions, etc.) This is a flat out incorrect interpretation of emotionally available. Women are not interested in emotionally vulnerable men. They are, however, interested in emotionally intelligent men.

Copeharderhun is citing work that is not incorrect. Women do select for dark triad personality traits, and they also do find emotionally vulnerable men less attractive. The reason for this is particularly clear when the above differences between emotionally [available/intelligent/vulnerable] is understood. Men with dark triad personality traits tend to exhibit emotional intelligence moreso than their mundane counterparts. They are capable of leveraging emotions to the benefit of themselves and to a lesser extent others.

Women may also select these kinds of men more frequently because emotional intelligence takes time to learn, and is a hallmark of a well-grounded and effective adult. Children are not well versed in the difficulties of managing emotions, and tend to be emotionally vulnerable- that is, they need help to learn and understand and grow from their emotions. Why would any woman be interested in a man who is as emotionally functional as a child? It would be bad enough that they have to coach their own children, but a man as well? Unlikely.

The bottom line is, learn to communicate effectively, learn how to manage your emotions and learn how to effectively identify and respond to others' emotions, and heal from any traumatic experience that may be getting in the way of that. Don't get caught up in the misapplied definitions of the media; it's written for the lowest common denominator.

2023-08-11T22:29:31+00:00

Women want good men. Is that really something you're mad at? Would you want your daughter to date someone like yourself?? Probably not.

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