Do we live in an actual patriarchy?Ive heard so much talk about it I don’t know what to think

63daddy · 2022-08-27T23:15:30+00:00

No, not even close. In a patriarchy men have power of rule, women have no say in politics and men use their power to oppress women.

We are definitely not that.

Women can and do go into politics. Women have an equal right to vote. In fact there are more eligible female voters. We don’t pass laws advantaging men, we have passed many laws advantaging females.

Feminist patriarchy theory is basically an excuse to create advantages for women. “Men oppress women, therefore we heed to advantage women to create equality” is their basic argument.

AliceTheHousewife · 2022-08-28T01:40:18+00:00

What you've heard about "the evil patriarchy" is bunch of fairytales, myths, legends, stories or just lies that make up modern feminism dogmas. Look with your own eyes at how things are.
With governments, leadership positions and such, it's not that women are "opressed" or "denied" getting there; it's because women don't pursue such positions as much as men do.
Just like the reason why there's no sunlight at night; it's not because the moon "forces" sun to set.
And why feminists brandish "patriarchy" term left and right? Because this is convenient for them, yet completly false expalantion of naturally occuring tendencies. Also it's easy for feminists, to twist and manipulate perception of facts and statistical data to mix causes with the effects, by often correlating multiple irrelevant factors, using beliefs and conclusions derived from logically false assumptions, to concoct apparently believable, but in fact completely false, "arguments" to back up their statements.

As for the actual patriarchy, the other user here differentiated it (pearl_harbour1941 – link to the comment).

Handle-me-timber · 2022-08-27T23:29:19+00:00

No we live in an Oligarchy with gynocentrism as a veil overtop making average men the bottom of the barrel in this hierarchy.

Punder_man · 2022-08-28T01:31:04+00:00

The concept that we live in a Patriarchy is not only asinine but flies in the face of what we experience.

On the one hand Feminists want us to believe that society was / is built by men to benefit men and oppress women.While on the other hand they will say "The Patriarchy hurts men too!!"

Also, just like every other feminist term it has been over used and misused to the point that it has lost any meaning at all.

A man does something a woman doesn't like? Patriarchy!A man gets a promotion over a woman? Patriarchy!Men wanting their own spaces? Patriarchy!

Now, to be fair feminists would have a point in regards to ancient history where our societies WERE more patriarchal.. but that in no way means that our current society of today is "Patriarchal"

The idea that there is a shadowy cabal of men running things behind the scenes to keep women oppressed while benefiting men is laughable.Were this in anyway shape or form even remotely true then you can bet that this cabal would have put their foot down when it came to giving women the right to vote, or get an education or get a job etc..

Those things would NEVER happen under a true 'Patriarchy' because they would run counter intuitive to the goal of the "Patriarchy"

Also, in a Patriarchy, there would be no False Rape Accusations, or if there were it would come from men accusing other men of abusing their 'property' Because that is how it would be in a "Patriarchy".

Rape would also not be a thing because under a "Patriarchy" it would be a woman's job to submit to the whims of the men around her..

None of the above ~~happen~~ rarely in today's society (And in most cases in non-western countries), I'm not saying that the above didn't happen and that women didn't have it bad in the past.. but to claim as if we still live in the same sort of patriarchal system as the past is as I said at the beginning, asinine.

If we truly lived in a Patriarchy then how is it that Men are more likely to get prison sentences and, when they do those sentences are on average 60% longer than what women get? Does that sound lie "A system developed by men "FOR" men?"

Or how about the fact that the majority of homeless people are men?
Same with workplace fatalities.

In closing, I do not believe in the idea presented by feminists that we live in a 'Patriarchy' as they describe it.
I would be willing to concede that our society as a whole is run by oligarchs which create systems to oppress women AND men under them so that they can retain their places on top of society.. but I absolutely can not accept the notion that we live in a "Patriarchy"

denisc9918 · 2022-08-28T00:34:43+00:00

If a feminist said it don't think about it. Anything they 'say' is just a smoke screen.

Look at what they do. Look at what the world is actually like.

Surv1ver · 2022-08-27T23:30:32+00:00

The male power in government isn’t even that black/white. It is true that there are more biological male senators then biological female senators, and that our president identify as a white cis gender man. But women are the majority of the voters, and it is at least according to whatever of the two parties that won the last election, still the voters who has the final say in who gets the seats, and therefore the voters who has the political power.

But to answer your question. No it doesn’t really make sense to talk about a patriarchy. And as a old feminist I know that talking about a patriarchy was largely abandoned in favor of the gender role theory from the mid 90s and only resurfaced recently as a reaction agains the momentum that men’s rights had accumulated.

Brandwein · 2022-08-28T02:12:01+00:00

The idea is just as bigoted as nazis back then thinking of a jewish conspiracy because there are many jewish bankers.

They point at the 0,001% being mostly men and leave context why that came to be out of the picture - things like risk aversion in women. And likewise how those 0,0001% generally do more for women than for men, throwing 99,999% of men as cannon fodder.

dw87190 · 2022-08-28T02:43:34+00:00

Dude, women have more rights than us, and barely any accountability. Patriarchy is fiction

pearl_harbour1941 · 2022-08-27T23:52:15+00:00

There are two different things:

a patriarchy (indefinite article, lower case "p")
The Patriarchy (definite article, upper case "P"), sometimes abbreviated to "Patriarchy"

These are separate things.

The first is a system of governance where men hold most of the power. It can be benevolent or tyrannical, or in between, and even be androcentric or gynocentric.

The second is the feminist boogeyman, to whom they attribute ALL known wrongs. Conveniently, they also say that men perpetuate and are responsible for The Patriarchy, or Patriarchy. So, men are the boogeyman. But by "othering" men into a nonsensical abstract noun, it makes it harder for men to denounce.

Anyway, Patriarchy is not real. It doesn't exist. It is needed by feminists in order to justify their Marxist ideas of oppression, but it doesn't exist. It is a fabricated imagining. However, these feminists really like their idea of Patriarchy, so if you denounce it wholesale, they will gang up against you and never listen to a word you say (which is pretty much what they do most of the time, and hey, who wanted them to listen anyway)

If you want to have a serious conversation with a feminist, you have to denounce Patriarchy as "men-is-bad-is-PaTrIaRcHy" by using their own feminist sources. I like to use a black female writer called bell hooks (no upper case, intentionally). Feminists LOVE her. And in one of her books about Patriarchy, she says that mothers teach Patriarchy to their daughters.

Feminists go rather quiet at that point.

Here's what you need:

https://imaginenoborders.org/pdf/zines/UnderstandingPatriarchy.pdf
p.3 para 1.

equalRights111 · 2022-08-28T08:23:00+00:00

Hi, from the UK here. There is definitely no way to claim that we in a Patriarchy on a legal basis, there are no laws discriminating against women, and there are certainly plenty of policies/schemes that benefit women (and not men).

The usual counter-argument is that we are in a sort of ‘social’ patriarchy, where women are disadvantaged because of expected social norms and gender roles. I disagree with this, but I doubt we will ever convince feminists otherwise…

Sininenn · 2022-08-28T09:44:05+00:00

Men do not hold governmental power.

In reality, women hold much more of it, as they are a much more influential voting bloc. Hence all the platitudes about women, and all the legislation, funding and political and social attention on women..

WingsofSky · 2022-08-28T02:24:16+00:00

Some claim that it's a "Patriarchy" so they can tear down the power men have. Then give it to the "Matriarchy" that they have been forming.

All the power for us.

Black---Sun · 2022-08-28T11:35:39+00:00

Because the gobal elites need to divide the people so they do it by flooding the media and airwaves with false concepts like racism, gender inequality, patriarchy and all this crap.

They are pushing these theories on society to divide the people. If you all stood together in peace and were able to think rationally for a moment then you would probably all agree to vote them out of power.

That is why they push a constant cycle of nonsense divisional theories upon the public.

DavidByron2 · 2022-08-28T05:59:35+00:00

Patriarchies favour women over men so the question is moot.

2022-08-28T07:20:32+00:00

The Patriarchy is a term to label any establishment or group that would stand up to the Female Supremacist Cult/Feminists. If you and your friends speak up for male rights you’re the Patriarchy. It’s their tactic to make it easier for people to attack you; they start by dehumanizing/otherizing you. Try to make you out to be some monstrous ogre simply for being male and recognizing you have value and worth.

Feminism is first and foremost a bludgeon a club. The individuals, if they don’t have them are given a chip on their shoulders through their indoctrination. This movement actively nurses and encourages grudges and attacks against males. It is a cult of supremacy and privilege.

TLDR

“Patriarchy” is the equivalent of saying sic-’em to a bunch of attack dogs. This a go to signal to attack and dehumanize these people labeled Patriarchy.

Bound-Submissive · 2022-08-28T08:30:39+00:00

Apart from the tyranny that happens in the Middle east, which hurts also the men, Patriarchy existed centuries ago. Now it's gone.

It will exist if it's created at home. For instance, my spouse is head of household and I like being his submissive property.

Training-Rich5057 · 2022-08-28T11:16:45+00:00

If we did, then women would not be behaving, speaking, or acting like they do. The would not speak for fear of repercussions, kind of like how men are treated when they speak out. The punishment would be severe for them. Also there would be less chaos.

2022-08-28T16:13:03+00:00

Saying we live in a patriarchy makes it easier to blame men for things feminists are angry about so they (feminists) can perpetuate their victimhood while refusing personal responsibility. It's called a strawman. It's built by cherry-picking events throughout history...like when someone brings up past faults that are irrelevant to "win" an argument and protect their ego rather than grow as a person.

wildwolfcore · 2022-08-28T01:43:58+00:00

Unfortunately, patriarchy has been dead in the west since the 60s. The west hasn't seen hard patriarchy since before the enlightenment and few regions on earth still practice it (see war torn Somalia or Afghanistan during the war)

npcomp42 · 2022-08-28T03:06:57+00:00

The reason feminists say we live in a patriarchy is because they refuse to accept that the world has changed and we are no longer living in the 1890s.

chadsvasc · 2022-08-28T14:30:07+00:00

In what parallel universe is this a patriarchy?

Suicide rates are higher amongst men

Men are the first to be drafted in wartime

The majority of the homeless population are men

Men are the majority in many very dangerous jobs

Yet we rarely hear about the above being a problem.

ZekalMacabre · 2022-08-28T14:42:13+00:00

No.

There has never been any such thing.

It's just feminists trying to justify their hateful and shitty behaviour by creating a boogeyman.

Pay absolutely no attention to it. It's not real.

Blauwpetje · 2022-08-28T14:54:26+00:00

Let the burden of proof lie on the ones telling this baseless myth. We MRA’s get exhausted debunking it again and again.

IronJohnMRA · 2022-08-28T15:01:28+00:00

There is no patriarchy.

Infamous-Mark-8434 · 2022-08-28T15:22:07+00:00

ESPN is constantly trying to shove some kind of feminist bullshit. Everyday at my gym I see almost every 30 minutes that commercial about females that play sports become leaders and females drop out of sports because of the patriarchy or something I dont know.

Citi Bank is another one shoving the patriarchy holding women back.

hehimCA · 2022-08-28T16:19:33+00:00

No. It’s a bs word from academia.

Throwawayyacc22 · 2022-08-28T16:20:07+00:00

Not even close.

RedPill_Hispanic · 2022-08-28T16:35:54+00:00

People think Patriarch just means "Men in control" but in reality it is more than that. It is a much more balanced system than the Gynocentricism we live in today.

In a Patriarch both Men and Women had responsibilities...now only men have responsibilities and women can do whatever they please with no consequence.

veedub447 · 2022-08-28T16:38:19+00:00

There is no Patriarchy in the West .

We understand that:

Patriarchy is the fundamental theory in academic feminism. No one can rightfully be defined as a feminist and not believe that a patriarchy exists and that this patriarchy creates a regime of institutionalized male control over all women.

But because feminists believe the patriarchy controls women, the logical consequence is that females are an oppressed class:

If this sounds familiar it should, as feminism stole this concept from Marxism and many of the original and leading feminist scholars like Betty Friedan were former communists.

Patriarchy theory is not an accurate world view. In the history of the world no class of oppressed humans has ever been better educated than the oppressor class. No class of oppressed has ever had more money spent and spent more money than its oppressor. No oppressed class has ever worked less than its oppressor. No class of oppressed has ever lead healthier and longer lives than the oppressor. No Class of oppressed people ever cast more votes in elections, had more votes counted and selected the leadership of a nation.

You may find something that resembles a patriarchy in Saudi Arabia and the Arab Gulf states and a few other places, but even in those societies the most oppressed humans are the thousands of male foreign workers brought into those nations to work under conditions of economic peonage.

The theory is easily proven both false in the West, where women hold all the same legal rights as males, (and a few additional ones). In the West, women have both economic and political power: - For example: two of the three highest political positions in the US government, Speaker of the House and Vice President are held by women. Kristalina Georgieva is the head of the International Monetary fund. Women can be found at the highest levels of Business, the CEOs of General Motors, Citigroup, Walgreens and many other companies are women.

A more accurate world view is elite theory. This theory holds that a small minority, consisting of members of the economic and political elite hold the most power in society.

There are have and have-nots in every society in the world. But when measuring the people at the very bottom of the economic scale, the homeless, the destitute or those trapped in economic peonage, i.e,-the most oppressed, everywhere in the world; the majority in that class are males.

The true purpose of Women's studies classes is political indoctrination. The program is designed to teach women that they are victims held under and held down by a mighty patriarchy. Anything negative that occurs to them and all problems in their lives are the fault of men. even obesity. Feminists then use this methodology to gain special services and privileges in society based on the status of being victims .

The debunking of Patriarchy theory is the single greatest threat to the so-called scholars in the field of Women's Studies . For unlike other academic disciplines that examine and test multiple theories the entire pseudo science of women's studies rests on this flawed theory. As academics we must challenge this theory.

When patriarchy theory is regulated to the ash heap of history then the women studies journals, the classes, departments, the degrees all collapse and feminism ends.

NoCommunication5976 · 2022-08-28T18:40:30+00:00

No. Look at the rights women have that men don’t, then ask again.

Asatmaya · 2022-08-27T23:17:19+00:00

I think some of the confusion is when "Patriarchy" is taken to mean that ALL men are privileged, as opposed to the situation where most of the privileged (i.e. government officials, corporate CEOs, etc) just happen to be men.

xcheshirecatxx · 2022-08-28T04:00:38+00:00

No. USA is still 1 1/2 foot in theocracy

Forcetobereckonedwit · 2022-08-28T04:02:48+00:00

If society was for the benefit of men, it would be us who chose parental rights in family Court. It would be us who chose to pay alimony or not. It would be us who chose who automatically gets arrested when the police are called to a domestic disturbance. It would be us who decided what constitutes rape. It would be us who decided what function women have in society. It would be us who decided whether or not females would be automatically drafted into the military. It would be us who decided to fund homeless outreach and protection for men. It would be us who promoted males in school. It would be us who decided who gets government funding for education. It would be us who decided where our healthcare dollars are spent. It is so obviously not a patriarchy.

Females have been the protected class since time began.

Guyonstockmarket · 2022-08-28T08:40:35+00:00

coming2grips · 2022-08-28T10:35:14+00:00

YesYesYesVeryGood · 2022-08-28T05:50:42+00:00

If we lived in a patriarchy, things would be more like the past.

Maybe it is so in other countries outside of the US and Canada. In the US, I don't believe so, but I live in NJ. Maybe it's different elsewhere in the country.

Efficient_Creme_3067 · 2022-08-28T12:35:47+00:00

If you look historically, even as late as the 1900s, society was ABSOLUTELY a patriarchy. Everything from how marriages happened to child birth, to voting rights, the list goes on and on.

HOWEVER, what society today loves to do, is take the past, and pretend it is still happening today. There have been MAJOR societal shifts in the last 100-200 years. One was slavery. We had to fight a war to make that go away. The Suffragettes (feminist) movement was the other. In both cases, those movements were absolutely needed, as society was VERY imbalanced. That is no longer the case now. The need and desire to correct those wrongs, has led to a MASSIVE over correction and law and societal norms that have given the majority of power to women and minorities. Through laws and societal changes, men have given up the power they once had (and abused), and have now simply “get along to get along” and continue moving society forward while fighting these changes as little as possible. But we are now seeing that come back to bite us in the ass, as we are now spiraling into being powerless. The sheer power women posses in the ability to absolutely control and destroy a man is to the level of inhumane.

Efficient_Creme_3067 · 2022-08-28T12:35:55+00:00

If you look historically, even as late as the 1900s, society was ABSOLUTELY a patriarchy. Everything from how marriages happened to child birth, to voting rights, the list goes on and on.

HOWEVER, what society today loves to do, is take the past, and pretend it is still happening today. There have been MAJOR societal shifts in the last 100-200 years. One was slavery. We had to fight a war to make that go away. The Suffragettes (feminist) movement was the other. In both cases, those movements were absolutely needed, as society was VERY imbalanced. That is no longer the case now. The need and desire to correct those wrongs, has led to a MASSIVE over correction and law and societal norms that have given the majority of power to women and minorities. Through laws and societal changes, men have given up the power they once had (and abused), and have now simply “get along to get along” and continue moving society forward while fighting these changes as little as possible. But we are now seeing that come back to bite us in the ass, as we are now spiraling into being powerless. The sheer power women posses in the ability to absolutely control and destroy a man is to the level of inhumane.

traveller1976 · 2022-08-28T04:59:37+00:00

Every false movement needs a demon, and boogeyman in the shadows to blame and attack, to strike fear into the hearts of allies and enemies alike. For modern rabid vicious kill all men feminism, that demon is the patriarchy.

Granted for thousands of years powerful men have played with the lives of millions and billions of people, but generally these men have been supported by equally guilty women, their relatives and spouses.

The spoiled brat kid women of today will continue screeching into the wind about the patriarchy, they need to believe in the devil to cover the lies they've been taught.

CallOfRedditNSFW · 2022-08-28T08:10:00+00:00

After reading into the antisemitism of before WW2, I'm pretty sure the patriarchy is just a fake imaginary enemy. Antisemitic theories blamed a lot of shit on the "international jewishry" that tried controlling everything.

AnonymousNeko2828 · 2022-08-28T12:13:57+00:00

Maybe we did someday in the past, but not anymore in most places, especially in the west

bunheadxhalliwell · 2022-08-28T17:24:01+00:00

I think when we say the patriarchy, what we really mean is its legacy and the power that it does still hold. Like women in government or power doesn’t negate the fact that historically men have maintained power structures and fundamentally ran political narratives. Just like the fact that it is cold doesn’t negate global warming lol.

It doesn’t LITERALLY mean The Patriarchy. It’s like the left over residual affect of men being key stakeholders in politics, science, manufacturing, etc. etc. for decades. Like from men creating public policy that affects women’s bodies all the way to being the sole designers and manufacturers of women’s clothing for decades

ImpeccableArchitect · 2022-08-28T08:21:59+00:00

Patriarchy is a social construct. While that construct had some value once, feminists have so devalued and overused the construct, in the modern world it has no value, unless we are discussing saudi arabia or north korea.

D0wnVoteMe_PLZ · 2022-08-28T08:25:26+00:00

Patriarchy exists but it's not common as you think. I'm from a third-world country and we have patriarchy. But it's mostly common among people/families with less or no education.

capitanMorgan89 · 2022-08-28T13:57:23+00:00

No. Nor do we live a matriarchy. We live on Earth and the name of the game is survive thrive stay alive. Then comes Patriarchy, matriarchy, and oooh society and their words have lost true definition.

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bunheadxhalliwell · 2022-08-28T15:49:15+00:00

Is this a serious post?

Azihayya · 2022-08-28T06:41:48+00:00

Men still hold the majority of roles of power, and there are still lingering sentiments from more patriarchal times, yes. (70% government, courts, 80% law enforcement, military; women are still predominantly affected, by sexual violence, stalking, etc. especially in regards to impact reports) Women do have parity when it comes to wealth in the U.S.

Lots of men, also, are negatively affected by classically patriarchal beliefs, especially concerning traditional gender roles or attitudes about circumcision, sexual violence against men, militancy, punitive justice, etc. Some other men benefit from traditionally patriarchal beliefs and social norms.

Patriarchalism is a well-established historical precedent, especially in the Western Christian world which predominantly colonized North America. Those attitudes, of having men lead and control the family, continued into the 20th century and produced a great deal of the media that continues to inform men's opinions. One of the most egregious examples of this is the popularity of pornography that was prominently made by men for men and continue to inform men on how to sexualize and fetishize women.

JayTheFordMan · 2022-08-28T06:57:20+00:00

Most, if not all, of our societies are Patriarchal, that's true. However the 'Patriarchy' as described by feminism is largely bullshit, fundamentally the same argument as Marxist Bourgeoise/Proletariat social descriptors. Leans heavily on the Apex fallacy, and very little evidence beyond presupposition.

Untouchables_lol · 2022-08-28T15:29:57+00:00

If you live in the US, the turning of Roe V Wade should be enough to convince you that patriarchy exists. Since I'm from Asia, I'll share my perspective.

Generally, if a woman wants to go out, she has to take permission from the head of the family who is a man. Men are allowed to stay out way later than girls can. If a girl is out late at night(after 10 pm), she is talked about in degratory manner by her relatives.

An outspoken girl is shut down whenever she speaks out about something. She is considered a disgrace to the mother if she's not quiet, calm, and shy.

From the hair and nails to the length of the socks, everything is regulated in the schools because a teen with a short skirt or open hair can "distract the boys".

An unmarried woman is considered a disgrace of the family while a man is focusing on building his life. While housewives labour all day doing all the work, they're still considered lazy by the in-laws.

In politics, many times the characters of the women have been questioned by the way they dress, the way they talk and present themselves. In the workforce, women are paid 15% less than the men who do the same jobs.

When women are raped, the society questions their character and think with their "boys will be boys" mentality.

Patriarchy is a system of society in which men hold the power and get the advantage over women. So yes, I think my post says a lot of it.

And yes, men have many issues to deal with too. But in my daily life, I have noticed that a ton of men want to box themselves up and not talk about the issues they face. Unless you men solve that problem from within, female feminists, the ones that really want equality, won't be able to help you.

2022-08-28T15:49:20+00:00

My life is pretty hard and I gotta put in a shit load of work.... I wouldn't exactly consider things set up to benefit me since I still gotta do the exact same things as women to make a life.

Plus we have a female VP, therefore it's impossible for us to be a patriarchy as they exclude women.

Scandi_Navy · 2022-08-28T16:33:47+00:00

Depends on where you live.

I mean some European countries are casually a matriarchy, Denmark comes to mind. Some middle Eastern countries are a patriarchy obviously.

Many other countries lean either towards men or women more gently. Some democracies wobble back and forth, just like from left to right.

But in the West there certainly is no patriarchy.

Live-Ad-6309 · 2022-08-28T17:24:01+00:00

By definition. No. The patriarchy is a boogeyman the feminist movement uses to drive a victim hood mentality, which is useful for gernering political power. People who are afraid, will vote for whoever has the solutoln for their fear.

ConestogaCreek · 2022-08-28T17:37:53+00:00

I believe in the US we live in Matriarchy. Women complain, are listened to, and get what they want. That don’t happen for men.

PalpitationOk7640 · 2022-08-28T17:51:35+00:00

No, we absolutely do not. Women have every opportunity men have. They might even have more. That's a silly statement that feminist love to say.

May_nerdd · 2022-08-28T18:02:04+00:00

OP if you’re actually serious with your question and you want unbiased and nuanced answers, you’re asking in just about the worst possible forum.

Affectionate-School3 · 2022-08-28T18:21:53+00:00

Patriarchy strikes me as a religious term. I came from Mormon Utah which is very patriarchal. But the Mormons aren’t a dominant social paradigm and neither are other patriarchal regimes that exist in pockets in the USA. Women are definitely second class in these. If you ask them about it they might express their ‘joy’ in their inclusion in a patriarchy, but will probably lack the cultural contrast to note that other options are available or valid.

The ‘patriarch’ in my Mormon upbringing was the very old man who put his hands on your head and ostensibly divined the will of Lord for you. The results tend to be intriguing to the recipient.

Patriarchy is not a political system, it’s a social feature that can be predominant in a theocracy or totalitarian state. Iran is one of very few theocracies.

People who say we are in a patriarchy probably note the over representation of men in powerful roles. But the notable feature here is oligarchy, not patriarchy. If you add equal numbers of women there, you still have oligarchy, and are no closer to meaningful equality.

The abortion ruling has probably sparked the question anew. I muscled my way out of a theocratic society at cost to my relationships with family of origin. So I bemoan theocratic governance with all my heart. These people are trying to force patriarchy but just look at the response that indicates, ‘hell no, we do NOT proffer legitimacy to theocratic rule; we DO NOT live in a patriarchy.’

Longjumping_Joke_751 · 2022-08-28T18:53:57+00:00

Feminism claim they are being oppressed by the Patriarchy in order for them to get special treatment and free stuff. They are attempting to manipulate the minds of young boys and girls so women can take advantage of men, in order to have an easier life.

2022-08-28T21:02:28+00:00

If you want to see what a patriarchy looks like, just take a trip to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

If you live in the West, we live in more of a matriarchy or egalitarian society at best.

gamerlololdude · 2022-08-28T21:56:12+00:00

maybe the hard power is gone but soft power can remain which is what social workers and activists are trying to comb out. Since human doesn’t go from being sexist and oppressive to not overnight.

Also be mindful of where you are talking about. There is hard power patriarchy in Middle East for example.

There can be structures within society causing inequality.

An example in US would be the banning abortion issue. Very obvious example of how people with a uterus (historically women) are seen as inferior. This is soft power of patriarchy. Abrahamic religions all hold soft power and in some cases hard power patriarchy like women cannot be pope vs a passage about women not being allowed to teach men.

To better understand what patriarchy is referring to look at the intersectionality wheel. Patriarchy is just that cis man-cis woman relationship portion.

Male being seen as default or superior.

Default can be seen in language for example Proto-Indo-European languages use male as default. There was a time when there was only male sex recognized and female was like what male is not (this is how you get the term “opposite” gender. When it’s not opposite, it’s different)

Patriarchy impacts men too so for example hard power patriarchy is men having to go fight in the Ukrainian war. since man is seen as default human to do things in society including fight. They are seen as superior to women for this task even if it’s not like all men will be stronger than all women. The weakest man is not stronger than the strongest woman.

Like there are still antisemitism relics even if there has been education upon education on why hating Jews is illogical.

For the right wingers they need scapegoats so they cycle picking random groups to convince people to target them so to not to notice the real issues of capitalism and other harmful structures leftover from colonialism.

Look beyond yourself and your country. Study anthropology and you will see how the lineage of patriarchy and feminism progressed. That will help you recognize where you are situated today.

Brisco_Discos · 2022-08-28T22:52:54+00:00

I don't think so, largely, but there are some places around the world where women are truly in bad ways: child brides, second class citizens, can't receive education, etc. In the U.S., from.the view of a public servant, it seems to vary from state to state,and even then, parts of states. Women in rural areas seem to experience more domestic violence, have fewer resources, education, etc.

It's all about $. The real power is held by a very small number of wealthy people who, along with their cronies and followers, invent things for us to squabble about so we are unaware of or too busy fighting for the scraps to realize they have the lion's share.

josh9x · 2022-08-29T05:00:17+00:00

Probably in Middle East, no in most other places

jasonrodrigue · 2022-08-29T10:51:30+00:00

Patriarchy is a word used to attack men and men’s ability to help mold society. People that use this word want you to ask for female permission or ask for women’s approval to make any big decisions or just hand the decisions over to women. The people that promote this mean spirited idea of patriarchy and it being evil will never look out for your well being. They want to say it is okay for a man to be submissive and work at the sole benefit of other’s while forgoing his own. Patriarchy’s are the sole system of order that has led to the advancement of man kind. When patriarchy gets weak or it isn’t respected, empires fall.

Title	Do we live in an actual patriarchy?Ive heard so much talk about it I don’t know what to think
Author	yesgeorge43
Upvotes	179
Comments	224
Date	August 27, 2022 10:44 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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