The Number Of Involuntarily Sexless Men Is Less Than Often Thought

Kappador66 · 2022-10-01T08:09:25+00:00

Idk how things are outside in the real world, but in uni there are certainly more than 10% of dudes not getting laid.

gerrta_hard · 2022-10-01T10:19:24+00:00

Small issue with your approach : any man that voluntarily remains sexless before marriage, and is older than 25, probably doesn't do so because he wants to, but because he wasn't able to marry.

hdksndiisn · 2022-10-01T18:01:54+00:00

From personal observations in the US in multiple states in a variety of living environments I would not be surprised at all if 1/3rd of men are sexless.

festethefoole1 · 2022-10-01T17:39:28+00:00

At university I was in a house with 4 other young men.

We just didn’t have sex. We didn’t “do” chatting up girls. It just wasn’t a “thing”.

A night out at a club involved us getting dappered up and then going to a nightclub, having a little drink, a smoke and a dance and then going back home.

At about 3am we’d dick around playing football on the street and then head inside for a few more beers and maybe some weed and play PlayStation.

That was the routine.

What I’m trying to get across here isn’t that there are a lot of men not getting laid, but how “ironed in” the experience of not getting laid can become if it just isn’t part of the culture.

The sheer tolerance of a lack of women in our lives (now that I’m a 32-year old who’s slept with over 25 different women and had a couple of solid-looking girlfriends) is actually mindblowing.

None of us went anywhere near a woman and frankly we all just took it lying down. It was just a non-existent thing. None of us questioned our lack of women any more than one might question ones lack of a Ferrari these days.

Anyway. My point?

I think easily 1/3rd of men fall into a similar situation. 1/3 minimum.

Patrickstarho · 2022-10-01T08:04:03+00:00

Tf happened in 2012

Marksmithfrost · 2022-10-01T12:08:51+00:00

No, that may not be that accurate or the data were taking into account other things while excluding specific factors or group of people (if you link the paper will be better)

The CDC (a more reliable source) reports that virgins make up 12.3 percent of females and 14.3 percent of males ages 20 to 24. That number drops below 5 percent for both male and female virgins ages 25 to 29 and goes as low as 0.3 percent for virgins ages 40 to 44.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/on-late-in-life-virginity-loss/284412/%23:~:text%3DThe%2520CDC%2520also%2520reports%2520that,virgins%2520ages%252040%2520to%252044.&ved=2ahUKEwjp1pCA2b76AhX9RfEDHXD6CygQFnoECAcQBQ&usg=AOvVaw0zLJS5k5mf2hVBm9Eiefp9

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualactivity

Let's do the math.

In the united states, people aged between 20-24 are around 20 millions ( for ex.18 964 001 or 21 520 000 depending the year or the study you take into account). Men are around 51 percent of that sample size, therefore 10 200 000 (at younger ages, there are more men than women since there is a slight natural bias towards males at birth). So 14% of that would be 1400000 of people. Men aged 25-39 are around 34.31 millions. 5% of them are virgins, meaning 1.7 millions of them.

Between 50% of people aged 15-19 never had sex. If you want only to take the 18-19 group, the number of men in that range would be 4.4 millions and if you take only men that didn't have sex, that will be around 2 millions

Above 40, the percentage of virgins men become 1.2% (it is around 0.3% and 2.2% depending on the study you take into account) therefore around 622 thousand of people.

There are around 160 millions of men in USA, slightly less than half are men (less than an half because

If we exclude minors, the number of people that are virgins accross the population is around 7%.

Now this are the people that didn't have vaginal intercourse for THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, meaning you will have that as minimum of the percentage of men that didn't have sex in that year.

The portion of men having no sexual activity between the ages 18 and 24 in 1 year is 30.9% while being 14.1% for men for men aged 25-34. This without accounting that many old men, despite still being able to produce sperm, stop to be sexually active, to the point that the trend reverse with years (as expected), with 38.9 percent of men that are sexually active among 75 and 85 years olds. If you are not accounting a limited age range of men, then that men should be also be included in your statistics.

If you redo the calculations by population, you will see that overall on average 1 in 3 men will not have sex in a year, which match previous findings

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/

https://www.forhims.com/blog/what-age-do-men-stop-being-sexually-active

https://news.iu.edu/stories/2020/06/iub/releases/15-sexual-inactivity-young-men-united-states-no-sex-debby-herbenick.html

Notice that all these data are from the US... and as you can tell internet is not just used by American people. Globally, in many countries, the situation is far worse, with 38% of people around 18-24 being virgins. While many poor countries have lower average of men losing virginity, some other developing and rich countries (such as Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippine, Japan, India, China, Hong Kong, Nigeria, etc; this is likely for other environmental and cultural variables) have an higher average age of people losing virginity, that can even reach 22 or 23 for most of these countries. Apply atleast theoretically all the calculations of before to those statistics. Notice that while having around 10% of people never had sex at 20-24 was the average in America, that same stat is the average of 35-39 y.o japanese men. In fact, among unmarried japanese men (meaning this stat take into account only official celibate men), 25 percent reported to being virgins, and this yet again does not account for people that don't have sex for a long period of time.

So, when you accounting all such factors, saying that 1 out of 3 men didn't have sex in a year may not be so far fetched and it depends the system (which include countries) you take into consideration for your stats.

The fact that 1 out 3 men at the age of 18-24 didn't had sex for example can still have an impact on their mental health due to perceived peer pressure.

Choice_Ad_6230 · 2022-10-01T13:42:14+00:00

Everything you're sighting is skewed on so many different levels in favor of the point you're attempting to make.

sparklyyblueberryy · 2022-10-01T15:37:09+00:00

Plus, the amount of people being virgins is much lower. And even among those there is a big difference if you compare autism vs not autism.

NockerJoe · 2022-10-01T07:57:32+00:00

Speaking anecdotally a lot of women rushed to get a partner during early covid because things were uncertain and extra security was nice, but that doesn't necesarily mean there was a long term social change of that they're all still together. In actuality a lot of those relationships didn't last from what I've seen since as people tried to go back to normal there was an aggressive push to return to prior norms.

I know in spring-summer 2020 I had multiple who had ghosted before suddenly calling me up and I was dating fairly easily for a while but things have since gone back to what they were. Most people in my immediate family and my social circle are also either breaking up with partners met during covid or with somebody they met in the past year, or both.

Even then though 1/10 is still a concerning number, especially since I think the actual biggest issue isn't incels, its the guys one or two rungs above them that are dating but aren't really satisfied with it. A small number of extremists is one thing, but if a good slice of the general public has had problems or can relate to then it'll embolden that minority or make people disinclined to stop them. Once again speaking anecdotally most of the men I know do date but if you get them talking they'll still talk your ear of about how they aren't getting many girls on Tinder or drove 3 hours for some woman who didn't even like them or just plain got ghosted a few too many times. Those guys probably aren't gonna shoot up a school or attack random women at night like the most extreme incels have, but I doubt they give too much thought to social issues or even opposing that first group in any active way because they don't exactly have daughters at risk and when you're jaded about gender dynamics you don't exactly have a lot of goodwill to go out and march for other peoples issues.

Such_Substance_320 · 2022-10-01T07:42:09+00:00

These statistics don’t take into account married men who are instantly celebat when the gold band goes on

Necessary-Worry1923 · 2022-10-01T14:03:06+00:00

Great post, thanks for sharing the data.

Japan and Korea are unique sexual environments with the rise of Herbivore men in Japan and a war between the genders in Korea driving lower birthrate, driving up sexlessness and dropping marriage incidence.

As you noted sexlessness increased in the past 50 years.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2019/04/07/a-quarter-of-japanese-adults-under-40-are-virgins-and-the-number-is-increasing/amp/

When Jaoanese college coeds were asked why they were virgins, the largest category was the " lack of a suitable partner".

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1015555/japan-reasons-no-sexual-experience-female-university-student/

Too young, fear of pregnancy and lack of sexual desire were the other categories.

In both Japan and Korea the economy had an impact on sexuality. In both countries an economic meltdown created an underclass of men who were locked out of the esteemed hired for life class of working elites and became condemned to a life working as contract Temps. As the Fortune article suggests men with high status jobs had more access to sex, which in Japan could include a Soapland or brothel experience. Temp contractors in Korea are treated the same in Japan. Women want to marry high quality mates with economically secure secure jobs. We can see " Hypergamy" in action. Korea also has a vigorous feminist movement anchored around Megalian ,which has become a political platform in elections. The female platform was based on perceived misogyny in Korean work and secular culture and the observation that the vast majority of murder victims in Korea are female. In America the vast majority of murder victims are male.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37018916.amp

I think these two countries are very different from America and while sexlessness is on the rise, they may be contextually different in different countries. Thailand and the Philippines are sex tourist destinations so one would surmise that the vast majority of teen males would avail of the easy access to very cheap sex , and yet there are still virgins in these countries.

In America one factor impacting sexlessness is the massive drop in marriage. Married young people have the most access to sex compared to single people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5889124/#!po=27.3585

https://ifstudies.org/blog/contours-of-the-sex-recession

14ers4days · 2022-10-01T14:41:16+00:00

Even 9% may be overblown. There's no way to quantify if something is involuntary, or just due to lack of effort. The only people who are truly INvoluntarily celibate are prisoners in isolation, people in hospice care, the profoundly disabled, etc.

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Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-10-01T22:57:37+00:00

It may be less, but I think the reason why individuals may notice it more is because social media has enhanced these like-minded individuals to get together and drum on the drum about what's going on in their individual's life and comparing , putting all the statistical information together, it's just like any other subject on the internet. if you search it out you're going to find a mass amount of information to back it up.

For instance in my life I've always been able to get into a relationship easy, I've always had men that have wanted to take it to the next level with me, have been proposed to numerous times, and married a couple of times now. I've never been without male attention my whole entire life starting from the age of like 12 years old onward. I can't understand personally why women are having a hard time finding men that want to commit. However this is my story , my observations in life. Doesn't make it any less true for a good amount of people in the opposite arena. If I searched out marriage reddits , or forums on the internet I'd find all kinds of people happily married not understanding these individuals with no relationships or sex life.

mischeif777 · 2022-10-02T14:31:20+00:00

stuffed if I do stuffed if I dont. Are men compliant donkeys these days, probably. Are women probably. we should all go back to bare knuckle fighting and grabbing women by the hair

RateMe3456 · 2022-12-06T02:01:29+00:00

From what I see, they only get their data from attractive men because it's way higher across the board. From not attractive to average.

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