Does availability of options dictate whether someone views dating as a market?

wtknight · 2022-10-12T15:48:29+00:00

Sure. Economics is kind of rooted in the idea of scarcity. Those who don’t suffer from scarcity are less likely to think about the “market forces” at work that create the scarcity that some people experience.

TheGoldenChampion · 2022-10-12T16:35:56+00:00

Yeah I often find women acting as though dating is just something they do as they please meanwhile dating is more like a massive goal in my life and to be with one woman one time would be a major accomplishment/achievement.

odd_cloud · 2022-10-12T17:20:25+00:00

I think you’re correct. Similarly, if you are from a rich family with connections, you don’t think about job market. Your fathers friend just gives you a good job, so why would job market bother you.

prizefighterstudent · 2022-10-12T17:30:41+00:00

Probably, sometimes.

All of my buddies do fine but we use incel jibes and RP terms in a fun way. We also understand there's a lot of underlying truth to some of the concepts. Some of them can be helpful in the field or to brush things off when they go south.

For blue-pill normies and Chads, none of this shit registers, because both parties are living in the clouds. If you're deadset on the Disney-pill or popping poon like tic tacs, the need to make sense of the world like RP or PPD does will never even present itself.

So those who do alright, I've seen quite a bit of SMV autism. It goes into overdrive for self-aware dudes who get zilch, and doesn't register at all for Chads and blue-pills. Maslow's Hierarchy of Poon.

NockerJoe · 2022-10-12T17:06:21+00:00

The comparison isn't 1:1 and reading too much into it but the whole point of it was initially, to my understanding, that ating and employment were both fucked in similar ways where theres a whole lot of people who are qualified or overqualified for a small number of jobs that don't pay what they used to before a decade of recessions and monopolizing, and also that there are a whole lot of fairly regular ordinary men competing for a small portion of women who are actually putting themselves out there in any reasonable capacity, and usually putting in a really lopsided effort in both cases.

Sure, a lot of women will complain about how men "on the market" act but it takes like 30 seconds on linkedin to find recruiters who will also complain they somehow aren't properly respected and people are being mean to them. But nobody takes them seriously because we all know recruiters have way more leverage and will freely ghost candidates or change employment terms or do all kinds of bullshit the moment it becomes convenient for them without a second thought.

Which is the point. When the dynamic itself means you start all your interactions with way more leverage, you don't really get to complain if treated in functionally the same way you can and do treat others on a regular basis.

EugeneCezanne · 2022-10-12T16:48:52+00:00

This is a pretty good take, honestly. Ironically, it's the people with options who experience market forces most acutely. What we conventionally think of as market forces break down without them, which is part of why monopolies are dangerous.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-10-12T16:10:33+00:00

I think it’s cause a lot of the dudes who aren’t succeeded were good at “book learning” and funding the “right answer to the test” so they look for shit in ways that made sense to them. It’s easier feel better that “market forces are against you” than “ this is why everyone kept telling you to socialize in school and you ignored them, so now you don’t know how to say hello to the cute redhead!”

Bern_who_Learns · 2022-10-12T16:22:15+00:00

I disagree with your premise that women have far more options than men. Women get a lot of unwanted attention from creeps, weirdos, womanisers and more - these are not reasonable options, just like how I'm sure most men wouldn't consider a violent heroin addicted ex-prison woman to be a reasonable option (to give an extreme example).

Women can get laid easily, sure, but they cannot find a reasonable relationship so easily.

As a man who had to try very hard to get any dates, I never once viewed the scene as a "market". I find the comparison weird, as it isn't a scene of investment in ventures or an exchange of goods and services, any more than forming friendships is. Perhaps some see it this transactionally in terms of "I bring XYZ to the table, what do you bring?", but it's weird. You try to date if you like, while you avoid if you don't like. End of story.

I think the entire idea of it being a "market" comes exclusively from the red-pilled manosphere who inherently love to overanalyze the dating game due to their insecure deep rooted misogyny and persistent sexual failure. They also drop such terms to try and sound professional and educated about a topic they clearly know so little about and find intimidating. Various charlatans ride this bandwagon too.

vogel777 · 2022-10-12T16:35:03+00:00

Men typically see dating as a market place because they see women as objects they seek to obtain rather than as fully human individuals like themselves. They assume they hold a certain value and then feel entitled to the woman they believe they are owed as opposed to seeing women as people they should be building relationships with.

gymbro718NYC · 2022-10-12T17:27:06+00:00

Honestly average men have plenty of options. Even when I was a shy, skinny, pimply teenager I had girls interested in me. Now I was too dumb to recognize the signs and take advantage of them most of the time, but that doesn't mean there weren't options.

richard_golbes · 2022-10-12T17:00:19+00:00

It's objectification. They are interested in the process/dynamics of acquiring "a woman" with certain attributes rather than forming a relationship with a person. To their minds, suitable women are fungible.

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Title	Does availability of options dictate whether someone views dating as a market?
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Date	October 12, 2022 3:32 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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