In a war, do you would fight for a woke country, a country that don't value you?

nathanv70 · 2022-10-21T15:24:12+00:00

Fuck no, it’s why I didn’t renew my contract

FaxMeYourHoagies · 2022-10-21T18:18:00+00:00

TurbulentFlow7145 · 2022-10-21T14:23:22+00:00

Absolutely not. They spent that last decade and more railing and discriminating against men for all the world's woes, so like hell will I ever invest one iota of energy for a country and culture that views me as inherently sinful because of the sex I was born as.

Longjumping_Fly_2978 · 2022-10-21T14:16:46+00:00

It is worthless to fight for something which doesn't give you any adequate reward. I would never fight for that. Better to accelerate its end and get to something new.

Motor_bird_cycle · 2022-10-21T14:27:02+00:00

firehedgehog1 · 2022-10-21T12:47:37+00:00

Absolutely not. Let it crumble and give rise to a new nation.

3172695 · 2022-10-21T14:18:51+00:00

If someone attacks us, it's straight up going to be nuclear war. I don't think I could be of much use in that.

Dramatic-Essay-7872 · 2022-10-21T14:23:20+00:00

if we talk about the us facing an invasion what would the other option be?

let the chinese or russians take control to live under them or flee to a country that will fall next?

JACSliver · 2022-10-21T14:45:57+00:00

Why would anyone fight for a country that considers our existence to be unjustified unless we allow ourselves to be hosts to parasites?

NewDemonStrike · 2022-10-21T13:06:59+00:00

No. I'll just leave and go to a neutral and less populated country.

JacktheRipperColour · 2022-10-21T15:42:57+00:00

What's the point ?

GalaxyOverlord · 2022-10-21T16:29:58+00:00

Slibye · 2022-10-21T15:38:14+00:00

Why would i fight for a woke country? Ill be fighting against the woke country.

xXMrSpecXx · 2022-10-21T21:28:51+00:00

I’d fight for my home. For it is filled with invaders.

local_meme_dealer45 · 2022-10-22T00:00:24+00:00

Yeah nope. I'd gladly pick up a gun for my friends and family but never to follow the orders of some self interested politician.

2022-10-21T14:51:06+00:00

No the equally strong feminists can fight the war thanks. In a country which tells us we ain't shit and were not valued and we have no use, why would I then go and sacrifice my life for them hell no. Back when the country had values had families strong communities yes. Now it's just hoes and pleasure seekers, drugs drinkers and degeneracy nope.

WTFOMGBBQ · 2022-10-21T22:57:16+00:00

What does woke have to do with anything? Men have been refusing to fight for stupid causes forever. In recent, not woke history, politicians send men to die in Vietnam and in the Middle East. Smart men realized it was a bad idea and refused to participate. The country has never valued men. This isn't some new thing. Men have always been disposable GI joes.

LoopyPro · 2022-10-21T16:15:15+00:00

I'll only defend myself and my tribe/community in a war. I really don't care about defending a country that mostly takes and rarely gives back.

Seafly42 · 2022-10-21T13:07:29+00:00

I won’t fight for wokeness, but I would fight for this country. There’s a lot of really good stuff underneath the woke cancer and rampant corruption.

boomboxspence · 2022-10-21T19:05:02+00:00

I'm not fighting in any war

PactScharp · 2022-10-21T20:48:59+00:00

I'd fight a war if I believed in the cause, not because I wanted to "represent" my country. For example, I'd hope I would have had the courage to fight in WW2 because defeating the Nazis would have been a noble cause. I wouldn't have wanted to fight in WW1 because I'd have no clue wtf I'm fighting for... in both cases, I'm fighting on behalf of "my country", but only one of those cases is one I'd believe in.

So to answer your question, yes I would fight for a "woke" country that "doesn't value me", if I believed I was fighting for a worthy cause.

stompin77 · 2022-10-22T01:37:50+00:00

All wars are bankers wars. If we all refuse to fight there is no war. Remove any politician that wants a war.

2022-10-21T19:20:05+00:00

Last year, the feminist journalist Mary Harrington wrote a piece entitled 'The Liberal Safari Into Inceldom', linking a mass shooting in Plymouth with 'the black pill'. At around the same time, she wrote an outraged piece about the Taliban taking away women's rights as the US exited Afghanistan.

Don't these feminists understand that if they keep pushing their agendas, it will be in the interests of most young men to sympathise with the Taliban?

dw87190 · 2022-10-21T18:51:31+00:00

Fuck no, I have mad respect for ADF, especially our SAS but the Australian government doesn't deserve me as a weapon of war and the giga volume of misandrists here don't deserve me as a protector

Wokeismiscancer · 2022-10-21T17:04:31+00:00

I am from India, i love my country, but its on its way to become woke. The so called Nationaliwt right wing government itself is trying to become ultra woke. The supreme court of India has crossed all limits of wokeness, and the sad part is majority of people themselves are confused wether they want to be woke or stay conservative/rational thinker. Any fellow Indiannin the comments please don't feel bad, but india is a country filled with hyper emotional fools, and emotional fools are the actual target of woke Feminists and SJWs.

Potential_Energy_353 · 2022-10-21T18:03:14+00:00

There is a fundamental misconception in the question.

In no war was the basic grunt ever been “valued”. You are a number exploited for the interests of the power elite.

Psychadous · 2022-10-21T18:17:02+00:00

If the US went to war and tried to draft me, I'd dodge in a heartbeat.

Unless I agree with the morality of a conflict, I'm not serving.

The last legitimate war for freedom was WW2. Since then it's been politics and profiteering. A bunch of rich old white guys should not be determining when and where to throw away lives.

As for the wokeness of a conflict, it seems like your agreement or lack thereof with the current administration would determine whether this would play a role. You don't really get to determine who you defend when you serve in the military, you're just serving the country as a whole.

BillyDeanMorgan · 2022-10-21T15:03:12+00:00

Never in a million years

Chopersky4codyslab · 2022-10-21T22:36:31+00:00

I was in the military - my hate for the military far outweighs my ever fleeting love for my country. Treat me like absolute shit and expect me to die for you, eat shit.

Reddit1984Censorship · 2022-10-21T14:43:18+00:00

Ill join the attackers

trolsor · 2022-10-21T16:47:24+00:00

In a countries like that people inherently learn their life is worthles from the day they born, normalise . And people who doesnt learn to appreciate their own existance, and lack of that concept are perfect slaves and soldiers. Your question is irrelevant

TheFio · 2022-10-21T17:55:10+00:00

I wouldnt fight for any fucking country. It's just a place. There is no place in the world worth giving my life for. There are roughly 200 other sovereign states out there that are just as habitable as the one im in.

AttachableSheep · 2022-10-21T19:02:44+00:00

Of course not. My country isn't very woke other than its big cities, but it certainly doesn't care about me, or anyone else. It's not because I'm a man, or because of wokeness, or anything like that. I just wouldn't risk my life so I could protect the elites' interests, or so that they could claim more wealth for themselves, killing other people in the process. Pretty much every country is extremely corrupt, and nationalism is on the decline, so I'm not brainwashed enough in that area to put my life on the line for a county.

wildwolfcore · 2022-10-21T20:04:35+00:00

I mean….no country values men to be honest

Tybackwoods00 · 2022-10-21T16:49:38+00:00

I mean most people who consider themself “woke” shit on men constantly.

Klappstuhl4151 · 2022-10-21T16:38:22+00:00

Who are we fighting?

estrogenex · 2022-10-21T17:14:53+00:00

Doesn't

LordPooky · 2022-10-21T17:23:03+00:00

There will be friendly fire unfortunately.

_BlueShark87 · 2022-10-21T19:39:22+00:00

No I’ll desert out of that place.

mcc9999 · 2022-10-21T19:56:03+00:00

Nope

aBlackKing · 2022-10-21T20:31:53+00:00

Difficult question, but I’d rather have what I currently have and work towards reform than to have it all completely obliterated and pretty much have conditions where reform isn’t possible and trying to rebuild would be impossible with a lack of stability from sectarian violence if the invaders leave or an oppressive regime where your position would be even worse under their boot.

2022-10-21T20:42:26+00:00

Hell no. I’ll fight only for my family and very close friends, everyone else is on their own.

-FrankenBerry- · 2022-10-21T21:16:33+00:00

Nope. We are probably beyond repair.

DvnRlm · 2022-10-21T23:11:31+00:00

Proof reading. Never gets old.

SeengignPaipes · 2022-10-21T23:17:09+00:00

I don't think i would be accepted regardless with my mental health issues, but if they don't value me then no i wouldn't anyway.

existhing1 · 2022-10-21T23:51:13+00:00

I would love to answer this if I could read the question

2022-10-21T23:55:35+00:00

Hell no. Furthermore, the war in Ukraine that AOC so desperately wants to join in on should be fought by exclusively her and her supporters first. Only after their tours are done should anyone else get drafted

GBTC_EIER_KNIGHT · 2022-10-22T00:30:30+00:00

Yes, because I wouldn’t have a option to not do it.

C834 · 2022-10-22T00:42:42+00:00

I would rather drown myself to death.

Ugly-Fat-Whore · 2022-10-22T01:38:28+00:00

I do love America and I’m glad to be born here. But I feel like we’ve really lost our way recently in a lot of different ways. And I’m not dying over seas protecting the America right now. I would have been more open to it back in the day maybe

FunAnywhere9205 · 2022-10-22T07:14:33+00:00

Be a piece of meat for corrupt government. No chance.

Wolf_Man_Boy · 2022-10-22T08:14:58+00:00

Absolutely the fuck not

SpookieDookie483 · 2022-10-22T08:34:02+00:00

Hell no. Hell no. Hell no.

2022-10-21T16:16:00+00:00

Either leave or frag every officer

mwfairc · 2022-10-21T16:50:33+00:00

If Mexico invades........I ripping out the sombrero and singing La Bamba. Yo no hablo ingles!

"Yo tengo el gato los pantalones!"

Motorchampion · 2022-10-21T21:26:10+00:00

Wtf, no, never ever. Not even if that country was my home/birth place.

Efficient_Sir_xD · 2022-10-21T15:37:16+00:00

I might get downvoted but yes. Not for the people but for my family, my mother, father, sister, brother friends, partner and my motherland.

SadPatient28 · 2022-10-21T17:40:17+00:00

Let's be clear, it is no coincidence that it's in the BEST interest of China and Russia to have a broken and beleaguered male in the US.

The worst threat to other countries is a strong, confident, empowered and respected American Man.

do you not think Russia and China are watching this woke nonsense ROT the US with big toothy grins plastered across their faces????

cobra6-6 · 2022-10-21T22:35:47+00:00

Fuck that the only thing I care about is defending my family besides that I’m not going back in.

__Roof_Pizza_ · 2022-10-21T15:23:57+00:00

I would absolutely fight for the country my great grandfather did. The idea of America is amazing and it was for so long. It is not totally lost but we are at a crossroads now. It will eventually swing back, but it will be an extremely painful process

WeEatBabies · 2022-10-21T20:10:15+00:00

I would never fight in any war.

Old women of colors sending men to die for oil, no thanks, do your own fighting!

Rob__T · 2022-10-21T16:21:09+00:00

Ah yes, with all the woke countries in the world, this is definitely a serious question.

Any_Cucumber21 · 2022-10-21T13:16:04+00:00

What is a “woke country”?

CHRIS-OB · 2022-10-21T17:10:07+00:00

What does woke mean?

asstronomical12 · 2022-10-21T12:59:07+00:00

Not to be pessimistic but there wouldn’t really be a choice? Health men and women would get drafted right?

equalRights111 · 2022-10-21T14:28:23+00:00

It depends how on whether it is offensive or defensive. I also don’t think I’d be very useful in a war lol, probably just get in the way.

However, I am a teacher so I’d probably get used for evacuating kids and what not.

Bergatario · 2022-10-21T19:42:26+00:00

Is Putin Posting this?

Albertsongman · 2022-10-21T20:47:52+00:00

Who specifically doesn’t value you? … What certification do you need that it does?

gamerlololdude · 2022-10-21T23:08:26+00:00

What does this question even mean?

What do you mean by woke. What do you mean by doesn’t value you. No shit US doesn’t value you. You are a wageslave in their capitalist machine for the ruling class to profit.

veedub447 · 2022-10-22T03:43:37+00:00

I sure as hell wouldn't go fight Russia so Brandon can launder more family money through Ukraine.

qctireuralex · 2022-10-21T14:54:45+00:00

whenever i see the word woke in a tutle i automatically assume your stance on the matter. i just wished we stopped using that word

another-cosplaytriot · 2022-10-21T15:49:38+00:00

Interesting question. Would more productively be framed around a very likely imminent civil war. In that not-hypothetical-enough situation, I will have to decide who to fire at, and the choice is not so easy.

Do I shoot at the literal fascists on the right?

Or do I shoot at the people on the left that are caricatures of human beings?

Probably the fascists are worse, because, you know... fascism. But I kind of want to shoot leftwards too at the next soccer mom who tells me what words are good and bad to say.

This country is making me choose between hillbilly dumbshit useful idiots embracing fascism, xenophobia, and conspiracy theories on the right. Or... I can side with the 20-something morons that think their pronouns are a more important issue than climate change, endless war, and health care.

Honestly, I'm rooting for the evolution of COVID at this point.

WarmFroggy · 2022-10-21T13:13:17+00:00

What is a woke country?

countrymace · 2022-10-21T16:06:28+00:00

I’m going to ignore the woke part because I don’t think it conveys anything useful. There are terrible things my country, the US, does and has done, to its people and to others. As man, I face the misandry in our society. As a trans man, I face the transphobic in our society. (The worst of each are normally opposite ends of the political spectrum, so I basically have no one to align with.) at the same time, there are a lot of great things about this country, and I still have a very good life. There’s also a lot of innocent and good people here, and there potential for more in the future. If a country will eventually be equal for all, maybe one day it could be the US for real. So yeah, I’d fight in an invasion. I’ve never been one to say no to danger or anything really and have always fanatically sought experiences- the more intense, the more I’m attracted. So yeah, I’d stay if we were invaded.

fiverwasright · 2022-10-22T01:18:24+00:00

Yes. I will always fight for my country regardless if I am valued or not.

My people have never been valued beyond slavery or cattle, so if I am ever valued is irrelevant to my sense of duty.

Anything else is just selfish, like you don't deserve to be a free American.

2022-10-22T03:20:50+00:00

Y'all are some sad sacks

UncoolAsACucumber · 2022-10-21T20:03:00+00:00

Gotta be honest I am a MRA but I don't think women belong in the military AT ALL. A man's job is to be strong, provide for his family and fight to protect them even if it means taking a life or giving your own while a woman's is to care for her family, nurture her children and keep a good home. The sexes are not equal in their physical abilities and women should not be on the front lines. I wouldn't want to fight for a woke country but if it helps keep the war off out of the homeland and keeps my son safe then I'll do whatever it takes. Yeah I hate that so many people hate on men all the time but men are stronger than women both physically and mentally. Our country would not stand a chance with women fighting on the Frontline.

Trosso · 2022-10-21T23:15:33+00:00

Only cowards desert their country

2022-10-21T15:13:59+00:00

In a war, do you would fight for a dictatorial country, a country that don't value your body and would force women to have a baby if raped or would take your tax money and would give it unto wealthy mother-fucking religious pedophiles and eliminate their taxes causing massive fucking deficits while destroying any fucking benefits average people might get from their own fucking tax money?

DyingMisfit · 2022-10-21T19:57:59+00:00

You grab a 'cornfield of popcorn', wear a few MAGAs, sit back and enjoy the show...

P.S.: Make Atlantic Garbage Again...

Rahbin_Banx · 2022-10-21T20:23:32+00:00

Depends on my job I guess.

Zipper-Tits · 2022-10-21T22:58:13+00:00

I'm too far in to give up the pension. I regret not getting out after 1 enlistment.

TaruAmara21 · 2022-10-21T23:36:28+00:00

This country is so segregated......😔

NoCommunication5976 · 2022-10-21T23:37:17+00:00

I’d fight for whatever country values me, even if they started it.

livinginlyon · 2022-10-21T23:55:43+00:00

I would forever put my life on the line for the United States. Always have, always will.

bionicmook · 2022-10-22T00:05:57+00:00

Ideally, I’d only fight for a cause I believe in and am willing to die for. If I was forced to fight for a cause I don’t believe in, then I’d fight for my life.

leoawesom · 2022-10-22T00:16:00+00:00

This is a moot point. Lets say your country is going to be taken over by some oppressive regime like China. Do you really want what they have? Is it better than what you currently have? If it is how so? Yes we should continue to push for a more egalitarian society, but I assure you that doesn’t happen by sacrificing what you have for a minute chance at something better.

Mushybasha · 2022-10-22T01:31:01+00:00

I would sooner fight against Canada than for it.

dungeonmonkey69 · 2022-10-22T01:46:55+00:00

Nah man I'm leaving lol

SloppyMcFloppy1738 · 2022-10-22T01:52:02+00:00

Nah, become a merc

DPL-25 · 2022-10-22T01:53:48+00:00

What

Nihi1986 · 2022-10-22T02:44:41+00:00

I'd probably be useless but I'd fight for my country where my family live, what else could I do?

I get your point though...if a woke country (or a country radicalized in any way) pretended to sent their men to war...I don't think those men would be very enthusiastic, specially if they feel like they don't have much in live, not many connections, are discriminated, and so on...

68696c6c · 2022-10-22T03:09:27+00:00

I did not, and wouldn’t, fight for my government.

I would absolutely fight for my country, friends, and neighbors, if we were invaded or faced an internal threat. Whether or not I was valued. Simply because it’s what has to be done in that situation and I know not everyone has the stomach for it, but I do.

cdonaghe · 2022-10-22T03:20:03+00:00

Well… in the end I would be fighting for my wife, kids, and friends, so yes. In the event of a war, the “woke” element would implode and hide.

fresh_lemon_scent · 2022-10-22T04:08:41+00:00

I signed a three year contract because I'm desperate and have no valuable skills don't be like me, thankfully the chances of going to war is slim so I'm gonna ride it out and get out and go to school with the grant money I get.

Ptoney1 · 2022-10-22T04:15:48+00:00

Neither. Flee.

CambionClan · 2022-10-22T04:19:30+00:00

There are very few nations on this earth, if any, that are as hostile to me as a person as my own government is.

DutchOnionKnight · 2022-10-22T04:32:00+00:00

I wouldn't fight for any war that isn't mine.

Njaulv · 2022-10-22T04:50:29+00:00

Hell no. If they would leave me homeless in the gutter with no healthcare while giving huge tax cuts and zero interest "loans" that don't need to even be paid back if the money is lost to huge corporations for example and then on top of that treat me as a second class citizen, why on earth would I even want that country to win the war?

w_cruice · 2022-10-22T04:50:57+00:00

Honestly, depends. E.g., China invades? Fight China. I can fight the cancer within as well, or after. But if China wins, there's no country to save anyway.

Always fight the authoritarian bastards, though. Always. China, NorKs, Democrats, Republicans when they're the problem, too.

MathematicianSad1915 · 2022-10-22T05:19:33+00:00

If you think "Woke' really care about you as an indivisual with an identity you've been fooled my friend. If you pay attention the woke do more to stop conversation that any conservatives ever did. Conversation is the only way to make program and to have that conversation someone will be offended or have there feeling hurt. But once it gets to violence and war the people who tend be woke will be taken out with in hours.

magic_damage · 2022-10-22T06:02:42+00:00

Nope, i will not do it.

2022-10-22T07:20:45+00:00

Not even just woke countries. Not worth risking your life for the elites to make money when you think about it.

stic2it · 2022-10-22T08:56:33+00:00

Uh, sometimes you don’t have a choice. You get selected, sent to the front lines and there u are. If the men fighting the war had a say, I don’t think we’d have such big wars. I can’t speak for the Nazi’s

InigoThe2nd · 2022-10-22T09:20:13+00:00

I’m not dying for Israel or it’s golem America. Fragging is a family tradition.

ErrareApusEst · 2022-10-22T09:24:04+00:00

Is it a choice? Or being woke means not valuing?

Jaffacakes-and-Jesus · 2022-10-22T12:52:47+00:00

If it was a WW1 kind of situation (clash of empires) then no. If it was a WW2 (democracy vs fascism or moral equivalent) like situation then I'd be a lay chaplain or a hospital porter or something. The main way my country doesn't value me is by working for the 1% rather than by being woke.

nailsforbrunch · 2022-10-22T14:26:50+00:00

What the fuck kind of cringe question is this? Who else are you going to fight for? Russia? China?

2022-10-22T16:32:59+00:00

No defect to russia lol

Ramazotti · 2022-10-23T00:51:41+00:00

That's a bit of a false dichotomy.

Title	In a war, do you would fight for a woke country, a country that don't value you?
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