Question for Red Pill: How do you explain women who don’t date “bad men”, never cheat, have male friends that aren’t interested romantically or only date average men?

rubberbandshooter13 · 2022-11-13T08:37:09+00:00

The answers here are peak "confirmation bias": Every women who is decent and acts as OP describes "doesn't count" for some reason lol.

KombuchaEnema · 2022-11-13T12:46:19+00:00

Redpill men often don’t run into these women because their chosen dating strategy (impress club thots so you can spin plates) tends to repulse good women.

No good woman sees a man trying to get as much casual sex as possible and thinks, “Ah yes, he will be a safe partner for me to marry.”

So these women actively hide from the PUAs. Which is why they seem so rare.

Britannia_Forever · 2022-11-13T05:29:08+00:00

They are irrelevant to my dating experience unless one comes into my life. Also they tend to project their experience onto all women on this subreddit.

RahLyt · 2022-11-13T05:45:09+00:00

How do we explain it? They are people with their own individual likes and goals. They are not better or worse than the other "types" of girls. They are also the minority.

edgyny · 2022-11-13T05:33:38+00:00

They're sneaky liars who merely haven't been caught red-handed yet.

figuringMylife · 2022-11-13T13:36:20+00:00

they’re ugly and fat and don’t excite men. the men here only care about hot middle to upper middle class (preferably white) women. why would the women the men in here care about date below average men? that’s silly.

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-11-13T07:01:00+00:00

Those women are the some of the most but not the most unattractive and undesirable women of all. There are most definitely a whole lot of sexless men out there. Just over 30% of all men are sexless and sexually frustrated incels because the women they are actually sexually attracted to don't want to sleep with them and the women who want to sleep with them are very unattractive. A lot if not most women who never cheat are women who are not attractive to be able to have men who want to sleep with them. Only below average women will date average or below average looking men because average women don't want average men. Average woman want above and well above average men only. A woman who has male friends without any added romantic issues, those men are the beta orbiters in her friend zone. There are however women who are in fact dating actual gentlemen and good guys but they are sleeping with bad men because those men have the qualities that turn women on faster than men who aren't abusive. So women will date men who are gentlemen but only have sex with toxic bad boys. Essentially it comes down to a woman's attractiveness. The more attractive she is the more likely she will choose and pick the bad men as her 1st options and the less attractive she is the more likely she will choose the good men as her first options even though because of her very low level of attractiveness those men will probably treat her the way they are treated by the women they actually desire.

Plugandharam · 2022-11-13T06:28:49+00:00

Woman is born to exploit man. Like life, it finds a way. Sometimes, the terms of the exploitation are not readily visible, or are even invisible to both the participants.

abaxeron · 2022-11-13T14:08:13+00:00

Question for Red Pill: How do you explain women who don’t date “bad men”, never cheat, have male friends that aren’t interested romantically or only date average men?

Two words for you to Google.

ODDS. RATIO.

I don't have to explain them the same way I don't have to explain why some Chernobyl liquidators never developed cancer. They DO NOT disprove that exposure to high doses of ionizing radiation is linked to cancer.

Finally, there's Stardusk conjecture at play as well. If 1% of women meet all the criteria you listed, then the competition for them is 99x higher than for the rest of women.

supershotmd · 2022-11-13T14:51:17+00:00

Not every woman can get a tall handsome bad boy. Almost every high school has a handsome jock who is also a bully. Did he date a lot of girls? Sure. Were people like him enough in number to date all the girls? Of course not. There were "average" people in the periphery who got together. But if he wanted to he could take her away from you as long as he could convince her it was "real".

Philip8000 · 2022-11-13T06:25:43+00:00

There is very much a bad-boy appeal I've seen play out too many times, not to mention frequent in romance novels. It's mostly among younger women, but when more wisdom is gained, most realize they aren't good men deep down. There are also women who come from dysfunctional backgrounds and see such things as normal.

A while ago, I divided men's dating prospects into 20/75/5, though perhaps it'd be 20/70/10, depending on interpretation. For those in the middle category, dating's not what I'd call easy, but they usually find a partner. Physical attractiveness is far from everything, but it does play a role. Being socially awkward is a far bigger obstacle for finding someone than physical appearance.

Only a minority of either gender cheats, but it's easy to hold everyone responsible for a couple bad experiences.

KlingKlangKing · 2022-11-13T11:03:42+00:00

Because believe it or not, some women aren't sloots

iliilliiili · 2022-11-13T14:03:40+00:00

they either cant afford that behavior or have had a strict father figure and upbringing that raised them correctly.

but they still have the exact same urges, they are just raised to not be selfish and reckless.

they still are manipulative by nature, and are equally repulsed by simps and attracted to bad boys, they just dont act on them.

men are attracted to women who would b horrible to commit to or give attention, yet not all of them ruin themselves by trying to.they still have the urge to, just more mental fortitude and are way more aware and accepting of consequences, unlike women who dont ever think about consquences and expect society to take care of their self inflicted problems.

Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2022-11-13T14:29:32+00:00

Have you ever met a woman who didn't describe their past partners as toxic or paint them in a negative light?

DisasterPeace7 · 2022-11-13T08:16:36+00:00

How does it explain a woman who only dates “average” looking or below average?

She probably can't do any better

How does it explain women who have male friends without any added romantic issues?

She's either not very attractive or has sought out gay male friends

Is there any explanation for women who never date an abusive man

Either she's had the Fortune of not having to do so or she doesn't stretch out the definition of abuse to include things like "emotional abuse"

bad man

Depends on what your definition of bad is , but maybe she dated a theater kid instead idk

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rsvpxo · 2022-11-13T10:27:46+00:00

I'd argue that redpill is just the starting point. People should be reading academic papers if they want something truly credible. A bunch of redpill stuff is confirmed in some way or isnt directly disproven by the available research.

For example, every man who wants to get married should be sure his hypothetical fiance isn't taking hormonal birth control for their entire relationship before he proposes.

But to answer your question, I have a friend who is very attractive, dating a guy well below her league, and in my opinion it is for a myriad of reasons that relate back to childhood trauma and a dysfunctional upbringing. She is determined to make it work, I enjoy her company so I've tried to be supportive, but if you are considering couples therapy for fundamental issues in a relationship that is less than a year old, imo you are only deluding yourself.

w1se_old_tree · 2022-11-13T13:42:33+00:00

I know in TRP you have this very earnest and strong belief that all women are out here dating these abusive men

I doubt that most RP guys genuinely believe that literally every single woman that exists is like this. I don't like how they speak in absolutes though.

If TRP is supposed to be the holy grail of women’s behavior how does that explain a woman who breve cheats?

IMO most RP claims about female behavior have a basis in truth but they're hyperbolic.

How does it explain a woman who only dates “average” looking or below average?

This is already addressed by TRP, women sometimes seek partners for their money, stability, basically what he can do for her. They call this a "betabucks", most people would call it "gold-digging".

PuertoRock007 · 2022-11-13T07:26:16+00:00

They're probably smart or manipulative. They might figure it's the best way to get what they want out of men is to just be a good girl. I also seen many girls that are average at best behave this way. They know that since they don't have the looks that they need to compensate for it. Or they could simply be lying. 304's typically don't admit they're 304's, even to themselves.

Sad_Top1743 · 2022-11-13T09:07:33+00:00

They’re the minority and even then for many of them, their behavior would be different if they were hotter

No-Rough-7390 · 2022-11-13T15:31:17+00:00

Two options:

1) they are unattractive/overweight

2) they managed to get with their ultimate best option (in their eyes). When that happens, all of those other things you cited don’t appear. They really don’t want to go out without you, other men are largely invisible to them, they mirror a lot of your likes and dislikes. Perfect set up.

N_Count_Council · 2022-11-13T13:31:25+00:00

Ideal, but usually also generally lower value women. My concern is that they artificially lower their standards to get paired with a guy they aren't that excited about.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2022-11-13T20:08:31+00:00

Extremely rare, possibly 1 in 100000 women.

Fun_Push7168 · 2022-11-14T02:26:23+00:00

Bad men, subjective and relative. Just needs to be "badder" than her really

Never cheat......super rare.

Have male friends that aren't interested....she's oblivious.

Only date average.....yeah, she's ugly or has the ubiquitous view of "average" that is in fact well above average. Typically reflecting the mid range of her lower to upper threshold rather than what is actually average in the broad sense of the general population.

2022-11-14T10:24:12+00:00

Good question. Actually I think a very substantial amount of women are like this, and the majority are more or less like this (they will not only date average men for example).

But the thing is, these women are quickly taken and out of the dating market. My cousins were like this, they all were married at 23, 2 with their high-school sweetheart.

And I explain this because these women don't have incredibly high standards and because they were not much exposed to the current dating world.

As a man, my last girlfriend was one of these women. But I was the first man from OLD she ever met and she accepted a second date even if she didn't find me attractive at first... whereas I dated already several dozens of women who told me at the end of the first date that they liked me but weren't attracted to me and therefore, they didn't accept a second or third date.

I am still a good friend of my ex and she shares a lot about her dating life since we splitted. She said that now that she has more confidence in herself and that she knows OLD, she has much higher standards. She dated 25 guys in the last year, most of them were good guys, but now she wants to feel attraction from day one, because she dated very shortly a guy she found really physically attractive and the experience was completely different for her.

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