In b4, "because we want ChIlDrEn one day, dumbass !!!!1"

Hear me out -- if a man wants children, that's perfectly valid. I believe in having personal standards.

If a dude said to a woman, " I want a partner who also wants children like I do and who feels healthy enough to have them with me," that would make a lot of sense. He's mature, self-aware, knows what he wants, family-oriented understands what it takes to raise children for the long haul. Again, I have a lot of friends who desire that, and I can respect that.

On the OTHER hand, you got some guys, mostly in the manosphere, who masquerade as traditionalists or alpha, and instead of saying the most common sensible thing as quoted above, they say, "I want a fertile woman who's hotter better strongest wetting fastest tightest firmest most fertile has EGGS. Any less and she's trash" etc.

And yet-! I notice that these dudes that say this are often womanizers and playboys.

And the family-oriented girls don't want playboys, right?

And there are girls who turn 30 who aren't necessarily promiscuous...take Hilary Crowder, ex of Steven Crowder. She only had one partner for 10 years, then Steven abused her and filed for divorce first despite Hilary trying to keep the marriage together. And yet, some of the redpillers still trashed her, called her 'slutty' and 'used up' and 'post-wall.' Damned if she do, damned if she don't.

Look at how they trashed lolo jones for being a virgin and not being able to find a partner at 38. Damned if she do, damned if she don't.

Has it occured to the playboys that maybe they're attracting the "wild child" girl with the same mindset as them, instead of the family girl who's willing to bear his children? And that when the playboys want the "most fertile" woman they really mean they just want the legally youngest possible women to cajole with? How, then, can they hold these expectations for women that they should want to be family women locked down at 18-ish when those same guys aren't even interested in staying loyal to those women?

While I'm not a fan of Anthony Dream "mmm fertile women" Johnson, at least he's intellectually honest by staying loyal to one woman and being willing to father her children.

tldr; why do a certain cohort of guys obsess so much over a woman's fertility, and do you agree or disagree that these are the least likely to be good father material?