What's up with Feminists claiming that women are mostly unfazed by muscular men?

RepressingFire · 2023-08-18T23:32:43+00:00

It's virtue-signaling lies all the way down. If feminists convince someone that women aren't attracted to muscular men, it achieves the following:

Prevents the interlocutor from asserting that any women are shallow to any degree
Asserts that only men are shallow for being attracted most to physically fit women
Deceives the interlocutor into believing that women's sexual preferences are (and implies that you can and should conform yours to be) morally virtuous and informed by political ideology
Accuses men of being in control of media, to the exclusion of women's tastes

We could go on, but all this feels extremely dishonest coming from them.

First time?

zogins · 2023-08-18T23:33:02+00:00

This must be the biggest joke on Reddit. Why are women afraid to say that they like secondary male sexual characteristics like wide shoulders, firm gluteus, muscular arms etc. This is just evolutionary biology at play - the same biology that make men like some secondary sexual characteristics in women (picture Marilyn Monroe).

I haven't lifted weights in a while. But when I did, I stood up straighter so my 6'1" looked taller, My shoulders rippled through my t shirts and my arms stretched at the fabric of my shirts so that my biceps and triceps looked like they were going to rip through. I can assure you that women of all ages took notice. Serving girls smiled widely at me and I got better service throughout from women.

I continued to train after my son was born 9 years ago but, unfortunately, a serious injury confined me to bed for 6 months and I started getting fat. My God. I can't believe that the medium shirts I bought so they'd be tight and show by abs are now replaced by XXL. This showed me another facet of women, suddenly I had become creepy. one to hold an eye o in shops etc.

How fucking artificial can women be?

libs_vs_commies · 2023-08-19T08:22:51+00:00

I don't know how women really feel about muscular men but I can assure you that as a slightly feminine, skinny, gentle guy you will be invisible to women, at best.

heretik · 2023-08-18T23:16:50+00:00

Who are the examples they give when referring to these skinny and feminine men?

throweezus · 2023-08-19T00:04:55+00:00

Last year, i got back on the bandwagon with regards to my physical health. I went from 245 skinnyfat to 255 ripped in about 8 months.

People fucking noticed. Coworkers, friends, shit even my girlfriend treating me differently.

Huge increase in unsolicited attention from women (and 10% of men lol)

See_You_Space_Coyote · 2023-08-19T00:51:24+00:00

Full disclosure, I'm a woman so feel free to delete my comment if it's not allowed but I just saw this while I was scrolling through my main page and when I saw the title it immediately grabbed my attention because I've gotten some weird gaslighting from other people, both men and women, regarding what kind of men women are "supposed" to like. I've had people tell me repeatedly that I must be a man who's lying and pretending to be a woman, that I'm misogynistic, that I'm misandrist, that I'm an incel, that I want to abuse women (don't ask me how being attracted to big muscular men makes me a woman abuser, I don't know either,) that I'm a pedophile (again, not sure how preferring men who are bigger and stronger than me and have noticeable male secondary sexual characteristics makes me a pedophile,) and that I'm literally too stupid to know what I actually like and am a victim of being brainwashed by the patriarchy for liking men who are, to phrase it in a diplomatic way, leaning more on the masculine side of the spectrum.

I'm not some terminally scrolling Tinder user swiping left on every dude who's even a centimeter under 6 feet and I don't care how big a guy's dick is as long as I can see it, it's clean, and it doesn't smell bad. But I do like men who are more on the manlier side, and yes, that includes men who are taller than me (I'm 5'3 so this isn't a difficult bar to pass,) have some kind of visible muscles, and are physically stronger than me (I'm 110 lbs and get told that I look like I'm about 12 years old on a regular basis,) and the kind of reaction I've gotten to it has, at times, made me question my sanity, my sexuality, and, at times, even my own gender identity (I wasn't the sharpest crayon in the box when I was younger and I hung around a group of people who were very far to the left politically and majority LGBT and being socially inept and not as good as other people at telling when people were trying to convince me to change my behavior to better conform with their belief systems.)

kosmicfool · 2023-08-19T00:17:24+00:00

I know some women who I believe genuinely prefer non-muscular men, which is fine but they also won’t accept that that is a minority position.

It’s the problem you always have when trying to extrapolate individual experience to group identity.

Call_Me_Daily · 2023-08-18T22:58:28+00:00

Feminists love to lie and gaslight.

BKEnjoyerV2 · 2023-08-19T04:43:11+00:00

??? Those types of women are just lying, they’re attractive to physical and personality related aspects of masculinity

DrunKeMergingWhetnun · 2023-08-18T23:21:11+00:00

Textbook denial coupled with the fact that a rather surprising number of woman can't tell when they're sexually aroused, especially related to visual stimuli. Goes back to the original Kinsey studies. I forget the ratio, but I recall it being around 1/3 of women can't tell.

lewdnep-vasilias_666 · 2023-08-19T05:02:11+00:00

I'd say the "male power fantasy" argument isn't completely bogus, but these people are focusing on the completely wrong issue. At least in my opinion anyways, what creates the "male power fantasy" is less that women "don't like muscular men" and moreso that this sexualization of men in question is vastly different from sexualization of women.

Male characters are generally "sexualized" by being portrayed as very muscular, being shown shirtless, having focus on how muscular or strong they are. Chris Hemsworth chopping wood and flexing his muscles, Captain America emerging with oily pecs. It's all centered around the men's musculature and strength. And I think it's fair to say that muscles are heavily associated with strength and power. Hence why I do feel there is a "power fantasy" aspect here.

Meanwhile, all this is completely different from how female characters are sexualized. The framing of shots, the kinds of outfits they're put in, the "assets" that are focused on– yeah they're all starkly different, which I think is pretty obvious.

It's one thing when women say "not all women like shirtless flexing muscular men". But saying "most women don't like flexing muscular men" is a little dishonest, saying this as a lady who is tired of the "shirtless flexing muscular men" trope.

Something I think some people don't understand is that women are capable of buying into gender norms just as men are, which is what I think this denial comes from. The fact of the matter is that... muscular men are pushed as the norm for an "attractive" male body type. And when something is pushed as the norm, that is what will be most popular, because most people will buy it as "the norm".

The trope is based in gender essentialist standards of what's "acceptable" for men and women, we can't make this an issue that's completely centered around whether or not it's what "most women find physically attractive". Cause, newsflash, this being what "most women find attractive" does not and will not make the real problem go away.

zaph239 · 2023-08-20T15:53:07+00:00

They don't like being called out as hypocrites, when they complain about male shallowness all the time. In a way feminists are right, women aren't as shallow as men, they are much shallower.

Get men talking about the women they fancy and they are the women about them. The everyday, the ordinary, as well as unobtainable supermodels. When women do the same, well hang on to your hats, their standards are insane.

I remember being at a work do at a table which was 90% women, were they started complaining about the lack of talent in the workplace. They decided that only two guys were remotely acceptable. One looked like he could have starred in CW show and the other was blatantly roided up to us his eyeballs.

To be honest this would have been understandable if this had been a table full of lingerie models but to put it politely, they were hardly model material themselves.

As for muscles, women haven't got the slightest clue what a natural male body looks like. A guy who lifts without roids does not have the superhero body type women lust after. That is a chemical induced fake and a dangerous one at that. OK for some Hollywood actor going for the next role he has to take his shirt off in. With his team of doctors and other specialists to keep him safe.

Not so great for the guy ordering random shit off the internet to try and achieve the unobtainable body type.

Honestly I would more respect for women if they would own their sh*t and admit they have ludicrous expectations when it comes to male bodies.

Balance2BBetter · 2023-08-18T23:46:47+00:00

Muscular men are popularly seen as attractive but its not universal. My ex girlfriend didn't find Chris Hemsworth attractive, but loved me (I'm very much a twink). Also keep in mind that The Beatles were extremely sexualized by women fans and they weren't super muscular or macho

I think that the qualities which many hetero/bi women find hot online like the qualities you mentioned are often separate from what they are looking for in a partner. So while they might enjoy looking at Chris Evans or Channing Tatum, they are looking for personality and character to a much greater degree in a partner. I'm not saying that there's never any problematic sexualization of men - there certainly is. I'm just saying that I see where the feminists you're talking about are coming from.

psychosythe · 2023-08-19T15:46:15+00:00

If you've never read anything about what people like Henry Caville and Jason Momoa are contractually obligated to do before they can so much as appear on camera shirtless you should.

I made a whole big ass comment on the types of women that go for skinny men, based on experience. Tl;Dr: most of them are predators who see non-traditionally attractive body types as easy prey, (kind of like back in the early 2010's when you had those PUA types who claimed to specialize in fat women.) The others claim to have been traumatized by conventionally attractive people and want someone "safe" i.e. someone they think is too physically small and weak to hold them down. There's also a veeeery small number of size fetishists, and then maybe like 9 women who have a healthy attraction to the body type. So that definitely tracks with the kind of women I imagine hang out in the reddit femosphere.

I will however put a caveat on the muscular part of muscular men: you can't just be muscular, you have to be big, the golden rule of being attractive to women is to be bigger than them.

MGsubbie · 2023-08-21T18:44:18+00:00

What's up with my male power fantasy doing being plastered all over romance novels written for women?.

TheRadBaron · 2023-08-19T01:39:26+00:00

People like to claim that their personal preferences are universal, and people like to moralize their personal preferences. This isn't a unique issue with pop feminism and male bodies, though there might be particular blind spots and trends that make it show up more than it would otherwise.

at I've seen a lot online ... Thirst tweets about Henry cavill are not rare.... endless thirst posts... I'm just saying that pretending that enjoyment and or preference of muscular men is somehow nearly non-existant among women

A big factor here is that Twitter is amplifying specific tweets at you so you get angry, and engage more with social media, because that's what Twitter does. A computer thought you would be angry if you saw women talking about how they don't like muscles, and also saw women thirsting after muscles.

Go talk to actual women in real life, "feminist" or not, and the ones who are thirsting after big muscles aren't going to hide it. The ones who are horny for Timothée Chalamet will rarely need to attack muscly boys in the process. It'll be hard to find many individual people who match the "them" below:

We could go on, but all this feels extremely dishonest coming from them.

SentientReality · 2023-08-20T03:53:14+00:00

Actually, it's true that most women aren't really attracted to "too much" muscles. Surveys have been done and the results I've seen always point to women preferring men who are thinner and less muscular than men themselves would think. Also, think of the pop icons that women and girls have swooned the most over for decades: Brad Pitt, Harry Styles, Elvis, Jude Law, Ryan Reynolds, George Clooney, Bradley Cooper, Channing Tatum, Ryan Gosling, etc. Guys who are toned but not big. It's never Arnold Schwarzenegger or The Rock or Vin Diesel or Sylvester Stallone or big bodybuilder types.

Of course, some rippling muscles are good, but within relatively normal proportions. When guys get too big and the body proportions get weird then they look as unusual to women as they look unusual to men, and women do NOT prefer that.

The links below demonstrate how men consistently overestimate how much women are attracted to muscle. Like I said, some muscle is good, but not much. The reason why women like Chris Hemsworth and Henry Cavill is that they have the sculpted ideal white male face and charisma, not so much because of their muscles.

Edit to add: another thing men vastly underestimate is the "it factor". The dark mysteriousness, the knowing playful/dangerous eyes, the cocky confidence, the seasoned look of experience. These things get women drooling. Men don't really see the "it factor" in other men, so they don't understand it. Men tend to think, "well, I myself and men like me are impressed by buff guys and want to look like that pinnacle of masculinity, so therefore women must be even more impressed." But men's image of peak masculinity is different from women's peak attraction.

theftnssgrmpcrtst · 2023-08-19T14:10:27+00:00

I think I can speak for most women when I say: there’s a world of a difference between the fantasy of admiring an (unattainable) man versus the types of men I’d actually be attracted to, compatible with and want to date in real life.

Men might find Sydney Sweeney attractive, but does that mean you only want to date women who look just like her? I don’t know, seems unrealistic and like setting yourself up for disappointment.

In a similar vain I might find Jason Mamoa to be handsome, but that doesn’t mean he’s someone I’d want to be in a relationship with. For dating I’m much more attracted to intelligent men who yes, stay in shape and have masculine build but don’t center their entire lives around the gym and eating 200g of protein a day.

hyperlinktoZelda_v2 · 2023-08-18T22:55:18+00:00

We're talking about celebrities and book covers though. I think women's preferences play out differently in the real world. I mean how else do you explain the dad-bod craze? As a dude I don't get it, but lots of women I know prefer it over chiseled six packs.

HeavyMetalLyrics · 2023-08-19T01:34:16+00:00

Think of big muscles like big tits. There are many sexy men without big muscles and there are many sexy women without big tits.

Average men enjoy big tits. Average women enjoy big muscles. Many people prefer smaller (either) due to personal preference.

If, with this post, you’re venting about conversations with feminist women who say they don’t prefer big muscles — well, yeah, most feminists are not attracted to strong masculinity. They’re more interested in intelligence and sensitivity, and their worldview reflects that.

If you’re upset about most women wanting big muscles, you should notice when you yourself are attracted to big tits.

2023-08-19T05:34:49+00:00

What turns women on and what makes them happy are often different things. If you ask a woman what she wants when she’s not horny, of course she’s going to say that she wants a not fantastic bodied man, because the muscular man makes her uncomfortable, but that same discomfort is what makes him attractive.

They’re not lying, they’re just telling you based on how they feel in that moment.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-08-19T05:52:02+00:00

I doubt most women find bodybuilders attractive. I certainly do not. I like a muscular fit body, true. But I do not like the overblown muscles on the body of bodybuilders.

They have actually done research on the topic. Men and women both prefer the fit type of body. Muscular, but if I recall correctly, not the extreme bodybuilders.

TheSparklyNinja · 2023-08-19T13:51:43+00:00

It is the body type most marketed to women by men. (Yes, erotic novels are usually written by men) and women are constantly told that they should like it because it’s sexy, so many of them act like they do.

Also women will like a specific guy like Cavill regardless of what body he has.

While it’s not the primary body type woman like, women tend to be very flexible and will accommodate any type of body that it popular.

Women are more effected by trends. So even if a woman normally wouldn’t be interested in something by themselves, if they see other girls into it they will start to like it too. This type of group peer pressure thing, is what is frequently used to market beauty standards to women. And it’s manipulative.

However, in real life when they go to select a husband, they tend to be more interested in normal body types.

Novel-Tip-7570 · 2023-08-21T03:30:35+00:00

Don't forget how they act like women don't prefer tall men and it's all in our heads.

Initial_Job3333 · 2023-08-29T13:48:21+00:00

women aren’t a monolith. if that were true then feminine or skinny men wouldn’t be popular and kpop/boy bands are all evidence that isn’t true.

some women like muscles, some don’t.

Title	What's up with Feminists claiming that women are mostly unfazed by muscular men?
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Date	August 18, 2023 6:27 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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