Wow, some western women live in a fantasy.

BEEZY086 · 2023-09-24T00:13:49+00:00

While reddit can be a great place for discourse and discussion, it can also be a cesspool for dumbass opinions. There are idiots all over the place here who are ready and waiting to give you their unqualified advice, and the loudest ones on reddit are often the most unqualified.

Any sub regarding relationship advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt. These people who are telling you how to live your life are not qualified life coaches. They are often dramaqueens who feed off of condemning others. They get their high off of a sense of superiority gained from shaming other people based on their judgment.

ButWhatOfGlen · 2023-09-24T00:39:45+00:00

Where the hell have you been, the last 10 years? Oh yeah, working your ass off for your ungrateful family.

Welcome to the modern world, brother!

Burned_Out_Paradise · 2023-09-24T00:42:46+00:00

Remember fellas… This is “equality” to many western women. Nurturing the kids and watching life through their eyes is the supposedly Hellish grunt work women claim but beg for, yet once that wish is achieved, is then instantly martyrdom. Meanwhile the man barely seeing his family, working for the soulless corporation that sees him only as a number that can be subtracted at any time, for any reason.. and picking up the slack when he’s lucky enough to get home.. that’s the privileged partner. Gaslighting 101 fellas.. and these tactics have been quite the success with modern western society. They’ve put themselves on golden pedestals with zero accountability while men continue to be the disposable, replaceable machines conned into lawful unions that can be cashed in on at any time. But hey, it’s all your fault fellas… because “patriarchy”. 😉

javoll · 2023-09-24T01:18:15+00:00

Reddit has gotten so bad in the last year or two. It was never this vile before. The mods have also gone completely berserk too. The alt I used to participate in subs like this one and depression was recently permanently banned. Just simply following this sub or commenting in it is enough to get you banned from other subs. I've also been banned from other subs I frequently browse from simply posting in other subs that the mods simply don't like... It seems like Reddit's days may be numbered.

Intrepid-Fan-6122 · 2023-09-24T03:09:16+00:00

Welcome home from your 60 hour work week, honey. I've made dinner. You can do the dishes afterwards - I didn't clean any of them as I cooked. Don't forget to spend 4 hours of your Saturday doing yard work. The kids are yours this weekend as I've had them all week and need a break.

RabidusRex · 2023-09-24T01:43:39+00:00

These women will defend any bad behavior.

EVERY TIME. Huge unconscious in-group bias.

Illustrious-Slice767 · 2023-09-24T02:01:43+00:00

For some inexplicable reason, women are often very likely to defend anything (no matter how bad it is) that someone of their same gender does. Additionally, there are many 'white knights' who also defend women's actions."

"Does your wife appreciate everything you do? Does she tell you how lucky she feels to have you in her life? Does she say 'I love you' every day? Does she tell you how handsome you are? Does she hug and kiss you every day?

StarZax · 2023-09-24T02:25:49+00:00

People are saying « yeah it's reddit, it's the internet », I just hate how usually people tend to think that it's internet, it's not real life

As if these dumbasses that tell you all that shit weren't actually people. I wish they weren't, but they are. And they hold the same garbage opinions in real life.

They just don't care about you. They don't care about what it is to be a man either. They care about them and people like them. There's no point trying to look for advice or any kind of help to people like that. That's why I personally learned the hard way that it's better for me to be very very selective to who I'm trying to talk to. It was hard because I've always been a very open guy, I like to talk and stuff, but you see what you got for opening up about your mariage ?

And then some wonder why men « don't open up » lol

External-Hyena4351 · 2023-09-24T03:17:51+00:00

I was like you, working 60 hours a week but luckily it is from home. So I did all the cleaning during downtime, cooking, home maintenance and repair, lawn care, laundry, you name it. My partner works part time so I see her half the day playing video games lol all I asked of her really was to put away her own clothes after I took them out of the dryer and to clean up after herself so I didn’t have to. So I always get a bit frustrated when I see any man try to post in relationship_advice and AITA and 95% of the comments completely disregard everything he says and assumes he’s not doing chores. Like we need a damn footnote to justify our existence or else we won’t be taken seriously. I remember one where the guy’s wife expected him to build an entire damn chicken coop on his only day off. People are fucking delusional.

How old is your kid? When my daughter got a bit older she became super independent so childcare got really easy. Now my partner is taking on more of the housework and my daughter has her own share of chores to help out around the house. If your wife is pleasant to be around then I assume she’s reasonable. Be open and honest with her about how you feel and hopefully y’all can work out an arrangement where everyone’s happy.

phoenician_anarchist · 2023-09-24T00:21:02+00:00

Is there a point for men when you have done enough?

Not for them. We've come so far, but we still have a long way to go.

Draw a line and enforce it. (And maybe don't let her wreck your credit score too?)

Honestly, you sound tired. Have a snack and a nap. I’m so genuine with this. You need to rest and nourish yourself.

Anyway, care for yourself. You sound really overworked and tired.

Language like this serves to dismiss and belittle your complaints and get you to think that maybe you are being unreasonable. It may sound extreme, but this is psychological warfare; a good step towards gaslighting.

Ok so she works a full time job (yes 35 hours a week is full time) and takes care of the kid, and cooks you meals. But she’s just another child to you? Come on man that’s your wife. If there’s an overspending problem that can be addressed but it’s really disrespectful to call your wife a child when she has a full time job, cooks for you, and mothers your child

Over-valuing her contributions and a guilt trip. The repetition is there at the end to really drive it home that you're being unreasonable.

I don’t think it’s completely fair for you to resent her because you have one of the hardest jobs that exists. You chose that field of work.

It's also your fault that this is happening by the way. You chose this, it has absolutely nothing to do with her out of control spending or anything that she did.

[...] the woman who you married [...]

Again, your fault, and the guilt trip, multiple repetitions of all this stuff she does for you, how could you be so unreasonable and ungrateful?

RandHomman · 2023-09-24T01:54:47+00:00

" Is there a point for men when you have done enough? "

What are you talking about? To these man hating women there's never gonna be enough you can do as a man for them to be satisfied.

helloimderek · 2023-09-24T05:20:11+00:00

Post again and swap genders and just use the support they give

mrID007 · 2023-09-24T02:21:16+00:00

Most. Most western women…

KrazyJazz · 2023-09-24T04:00:06+00:00

Welcome to Reddit. A safe space where you can vent and receive support from all around the world. As long as you are NOT a man.

computer_holic · 2023-09-24T04:16:13+00:00

There will be a time soon when all this toxic femininity becomes so obvious that everyone stops caring about it all together. The cycle always repeats and this time, men tried respecting their needs, supporting their dreams, but it all comes down to blaming men for their failures. There will be a new cycle of patriarchy if this doesn't stop soon

TeeJee48 · 2023-09-24T10:13:39+00:00

There is significant gender bias on Reddit, as in the real world.

Unfortunately I can't remember the post specifics well enough to find the links but there was I think an AITA post where the man was overwhelmingly considered TA, then someone copied the post word for word except for gender swapping everyone and once again the man was judged as TA.

User673412 · 2023-09-24T03:19:14+00:00

I saw a post on AITAH where some guy was asking if he was an ass to want to divorce his wife bc he makes all the money and she still insists on him doing half or more of the household chores. He said he was well off enough and could afford a maid but didn’t feel it was fair for him to literally be doing everything and her sitting around.

The comments that ensued were mostly telling him he’s an ass for not getting a maid, and that doing most of the household stuff is “too much” and he should be chipping in with that and not be an “absentee father”

I almost lost my mind. They really want their cake and to eat it too.

Rionat · 2023-09-24T02:28:44+00:00

I always wondered why when a rich man making $150k a year marries a $30k max waitress/trying to be actress, the woman she feels like she deserves half of that paycheck. In reality she is a loser in financial aspects and would continue to be a loser til the day she dies if she wasn’t given a financial parachute by a possible husband.

Men stop marrying financial losers.

Buckowski66 · 2023-09-24T11:05:34+00:00

You ran into the man hating angy cat lady crowd. They are all over Reddit like flies on shit and their hostility, slurs and uncivil behavior are ignored and allowed by probably 90% of the moderators on the platform . I

In their world every man is a mysoginist, anyone who calls them on their hateful bullshit is an incel and they always claim to be happily married even though they spend hundreds of hours on Reddit hating and bitching about men and deliberately seeking out threads like yours for the opportunity to do so.

Look, there's plenty of normal women out there in the actual world who like men, appreciate their contributions and the reality that both sexes provide things the others need for the best society but you'll not find tons of them on this platform. Essentially, Reddit lets them run wikd like the racists on 4 Chan but heavily police“ uncivil” behavior by men. It's every bit as much Reddits fault for allowing it as it is the women who abuse the privilege. Perhaps they can offer some good cat grooming tips but that's about it.

Perfect_Sir4820 · 2023-09-24T12:13:09+00:00

These are the same people who think a couple hours of manual labor is the same as putting laundry in one machine, waiting for an hour, moving it to another and waiting for another hour. A man can never do enough to satisfy these harpies. The level of pure delusional entitlement is off the charts.

Stunning-Cost-5752 · 2023-09-24T13:55:57+00:00

Most of the subs are modded and controlled by feminists that hate men. Reddit is pretty much cancer I avoid 95% of reddit only here for a few subs

Koush · 2023-09-24T02:16:57+00:00

Is it really a fantasy when you admittedly find yourself in a real situation and they are effectively getting the cake and eating it too? Sounds like only you are validating their insanity.

I'm not saying all people have collectively lost their minds but ones of Reddit certainly have. If you don't play along, enjoy divorce and them claiming that sweet, sweet 50/50.

Baboon_Stew · 2023-09-24T07:54:09+00:00

All a woman has to do is show up and that's enough for most of the internet. You're behind the 8ball brother and nobody is coming to help you.

From the looks of your post, youare going above and beyond. Best of luck.

springy · 2023-09-24T08:53:13+00:00

Feminists claim they want "equality" and that it will benefit both men and women.

However, they only seem to talk about "women's rights" (that is, increasing their entitlement), while demaning that men "live up to their responsibilities".

If you bring up "mens' rights" you are ridiculed as an incel. If you mention the need for women to "live up to their responsibilties" you are dismissed as a misogynist.

In short, you can't expect self absorbed women to have any interest in your everyday struggles as a man.

Timely-Response-2217 · 2023-09-24T00:26:28+00:00

Friend.

This is Reddit. This is the Internet. People want echo chambers. It's an unfortunate reality.

I'm sorry for your situation. My wife does an awful lot of heavy lifting. 50/50 parity is never possible in anything but you both need to find happy mediums where you can both find happiness.

Listen, talk, understand, work together, compromise. All anyone can do.

Best of luck.

ldticp · 2023-09-24T02:32:59+00:00

This is fully inline with my own experience of women in todays society. I've almost entirely given up on the idea or a relationship its just not worth the effort.

Old_Daiwa · 2023-09-24T02:46:59+00:00

You're still married, why?

zourz · 2023-09-24T07:34:31+00:00

While that is really rough I suggest you hire a cleaning service. And if your wife argues, tell her the things you just did. There is no shame in getting help with this. In an ideal world your wife would help you out, but you will have to deal with reality. And remember to pay the cleaning service with your shared money, not set aside personal money. Also in general I suggest you pay for your time back. If your work long hours, and the home front is not decided equally, just get help. Buy a remote grass mover, buy a Roomba, buy other tools that speeds up your duties.

7788alt · 2023-09-24T10:21:19+00:00

Reddit, where if you work you are AH if you don't work you are AH if you do majority chores you are AH if you don't then AH, if your wife cheat she is victim and it's cry for help if cheat you are dog, if you want to split expense 50/50 with wife if both make same money then you are not man, if your wife made more money and you ask some money from her then you are AH,

Tldr: In reddit you will be AH if you oppose women in any format.

road_laya · 2023-09-24T11:07:29+00:00

You can't argue yourself out of being bullied.

almevo1 · 2023-09-24T11:10:05+00:00

My brother divorse his wife for somthing like that, he work arround the same time you , when he return home he had to clean and cook because his wife didnt whant to, his eife even had girls meetings in his home were they drink and eat but she didnt even wash the cups or dishes expecting my brother to do it when he was back from work

Away_Entrance1185 · 2023-09-24T14:43:48+00:00

When I was a teenager I noticed misandry and made a post about it in Yahoo! Answers, everyone attacked me and said that I was delusional for pointing out obviously misandry. We live in a culture of female entitlement and where complaining about anything any woman does is wrong, this isn't universal. In many former Communist countries women have expectations similar to men, this is why women from these countries will often claim "Western men are more romantic", remember, romance is feudalism where she is your lady and you are her self.

Minimum_Direction_43 · 2023-09-24T01:33:38+00:00

They hypocrisy of the modern woman is impossible. That's what you are experiencing. If you flip the script and you were a woman they would be saying stuff like "you go girl" "your a boss bitch!" "you should leave that lazy man!" etc.....

modern western women are entitled hypocrites that are not good at logical reasoning or thinking.

Dormeo69 · 2023-09-24T09:44:44+00:00

Is there a point for men when you have done enough?

No.

Is there any situation where a man gets a fair shake.

Also, no.

Where does this hateful and entitled thought process come from?

Biology and female nature.

thatusenameistaken · 2023-09-24T10:32:05+00:00

despite this she is very pleasant to be around.

Of course she's pleasant to be around, you dop 95% of the house work (as well as all of the outside work I'm sure) while working 60 hours a week and making 75% of the income. I'm pleasant to service workers too.

Don't let her and random women gaslight you.

Infinite_Procedure98 · 2023-09-24T11:10:51+00:00

Now, imagine the reversed situation. If you would swipe the genders in your story, everyone would have said the guy should be lynched.

mrkanu · 2023-09-24T11:45:10+00:00

This is typical entitled behavior largely enabled by government policies and interventions over the last few decades. Women have started over inflating their contribution to a household/family. Many do not hesitate exploit their own relations/relatives (including blood relatives). I think in such setups the housework needs to be formally documented and divided into two parts (as much equal as possible) and assigned between husband and wife. Maybe rotate the half once every week for better distribution of labour. In fact the contribution to household expenses also need to be exactly equal as both of you are into full time jobs. Whatever extra earned by you needs to be set aside for your (or maybe your son's) needs. Till you put your foot down and ask and fight for your rights you will continue to get exploited like this.

anonymousrph123 · 2023-09-24T15:22:07+00:00

If you want non-manhating responses. Switch the genders and write it as if you were a woman on a different account.

Sit back and watch the double-standard!

SARW89 · 2023-09-24T15:33:28+00:00

Reddit is full of feminists.

DearApartment5236 · 2023-09-24T01:59:04+00:00

Know your audience brother. Some women are like poisonous snakes, the best strategy is avoidance because you’ll never change their minds. Good women are rare as Gold and hard to find, but well worth the effort.

dodaf79837 · 2023-09-24T05:24:17+00:00

YOU are the one keeping a roof over their heads.

YOU are the one putting food on the table.

YOU are the MAN of the house.

YOU are the one who makes the rules.

NOT HER.

Baboon_Stew · 2023-09-24T08:13:17+00:00

You will never catch a break, OP. NEver.

The only thing you can do is to start backing off on work hours (and money brought into the home) or duties are home. Start selling off animals on the farm. Get rid of those goats, chickens, ponies, etc. Nobody is going to take care of them if you don't.

Unlucky-Account965 · 2023-09-24T08:45:13+00:00

Throw gender out of the equation.

Is the family functioning if not adjust the family clock.

To much these days is made about gender or sexual identity.. if she ain’t stepping up then step up. Prove with receipts what you’ve been doing. And remember ur worth.

KPplumbingBob · 2023-09-24T09:03:18+00:00

People say "it's just reddit" but this is what men actually sing up to with marriages IRL. Not only is the actual work you put in to provide not appreciated, but you not being home is actually being seen as if you're neglecting her, even if she isn't telling you. This is the case for literally all my married friends. They work whole day, they come home and are expected to clean and do all work around the house, even if their wives don't have a job. If they try to have any time for themselves by connecting with their friends, wife immediately complains how he's "never home".

Futureman999 · 2023-09-24T09:16:21+00:00

I just want to say, a bachelor with a decent income lives so much easier than this. Some "helpmates"

There's a limit to how much harder they can make our lives before we just give up. Gynocentric reddit will always try to spin this as "Men today are falling behind and women are crushing it! They just don't measure up so they can't find wives! Up your game fellas!" but that's not what this is

Drachus_Maximus · 2023-09-24T13:21:52+00:00

Feel sorry for you as i am happy and single since 11 years.... i have a 3 bedroom house and i live alone in peace. Its in you to change her mind to help you more or change the whole situation....

M_a_t_t_y · 2023-09-24T14:26:16+00:00

My household situation is similar (I don’t have a farm). I make the lion share of income, work significantly more. I do well more than 50% of household chores and kid’s activities. It’s still not enough in the eyes of my spouse & other woman in my life. It feels like by the mere existence of being a mom, she should be entitled to sleep in on weekends, have days to herself, etc. It’s all illogical.

Neusprince · 2023-09-24T16:18:40+00:00

Experiences like yours make marriage seem more like a curse than anything beneficial to a man. I'm starting to have a hard time understanding why any man would get married. Also you have to understand. Women have a huge hive mind mentality. Even when the woman is in the clear wrong they will always find justification for her actions. Never seek objectivity from them.

vmedianet · 2023-09-24T22:25:25+00:00

Paragraphs

sunday0wonder · 2023-09-24T00:30:45+00:00

I always have the same general reaction to these things: talk to your spouse, not internet strangers

Positive-Leg-3403 · 2023-09-24T09:28:37+00:00

Kick her out, divorce, move on. I had exactly the same, now I'm much happier. Their toxic entitlement just drains your life force and it will just get worse. When you eventually break due to the strain she'll then walk and use the courts to take your kid and then any money or assets you have.

adam-l · 2023-09-24T07:33:18+00:00

Is there a point for men when you have done enough?

No, actually there isn't. It's a feature built in the human race by evolution. Females are in near-constant discontent, so that men need to perform, i.e. work and take up danger, in order to temporarily get his female off his back. And then it's discontent again.

This comes from the humanid era where marriage was not a thing, so the female had to squeeze the man for all he got, as relentlessly as possible, before he would move on to greener pastures and more fertile women. It's not that evolution in females has caught up with cultural advances, and adapted to the 18-22 years weaning time for the kid. Women are still playing out their prehistoric script.

Where does this hateful and entitled thought process come from?

So I hope you understand where this all comes from.

RayedBull · 2023-09-24T02:21:42+00:00

Wondering how you guys came to this arrangement where she cooks and you clean up? Why not flip the roles on some days. Did you try discussing this whole situation with her ?

leanafro · 2023-09-24T08:46:31+00:00

Us young bucks are catching on too!

Only people who don’t know any better get married in 2023.

hostility_kitty · 2023-09-24T14:52:49+00:00

How much money do you make?

mazaajiya · 2023-09-24T01:02:05+00:00

RE: housework

It sounds like you both have your hands full and doing your best.

Maybe hire infrequent or limited frequency housekeeping service, see how it works with the experience, time gained back for rest or an activity with your family or date night.

raouf_mxs · 2023-09-24T01:04:44+00:00

I don’t know what is the problem at all. If there is a problem between the two of you, you can just get a divorce

brainhack3r · 2023-09-24T09:02:01+00:00

I've been in the same situation. Long story but if I post anything reasonable that goes against 'feminism' I'm apparently a complete piece of shit.

ACatNamedBeanie · 2023-09-24T11:08:14+00:00

props to you for being able to deal with this for as long as you have. i don’t mean to diss your wife, but i find this very sad. words of gratitude don’t mean much to a man devoting his life to his family and receiving only more work in return. i believe that many women nowadays want what your wife has—bills paid, chores done, and she gets to stay home and hang out with the kid. this is why you received skewed responses in favour of your wife, the women commenting want to be in that position as well, no work and all play.

Black-Patrick · 2023-09-24T13:30:20+00:00

It’s pretty simple. You triggered them. Friendly fox in the chicken coop.

GynocentrismCanSMB · 2023-09-24T14:35:30+00:00

You should verbalize your desires more...not all at once, but maybe just a "honey, I'm sick to death of putting dishes away, would you please do it for a couple weeks or possibly forever?"

I don't know, if she's pleasant to be around maybe there's hope, but the problem is she's had it "good" for too long is my guess. You've spoiled her, so any push towards equality will feel like it's off balance to her.

Another possible route would be sign up for couples therapy, don't tell her what it's about (let her suspect the worst) so that when you get there and try to agree on a percentage "how much do I do total vs how much do you do total" you'll have an arbiter to keep the conversation from blowing up...

Catch-the-Rabbit · 2023-09-24T15:12:04+00:00

Some western men could be introduced to the organizational benefit of utilizing paragraphs.

randonumero · 2023-09-24T16:06:22+00:00

The problem is that you asked on reddit. You sought advice on your situation from a forum where likely less than 10% of people can empathize with your situation and less than 5% have been in that situation. So what you got was a bunch of answers based on what they would want in that situation and who wouldn't love to be a stay at home parent who "just did enough".

IMO the better place for advice is to speak with a therapist. A good couples therapist can talk you through your feelings, give you strategies for speaking with your wife and might even be willing to do sessions with both of you. I've found that asking for relationship advice or if you're an asshole on reddit will get you blasted or the warm embrace of the echo chamber.

FWIW maybe a good way to approach this with your wife is to mention that you'd like to scale back your work or hobby farm hours. Then ask her politely if she can take on a few things you do so that you don't have to scale back. I'm not sure how long you've been the primary earner but some people have success doing this because their wives don't want to do a real job. One guy knew got the snip after kid 3 and the wife asking for a fourth when the youngest was 4. After the snip she wanted to go back to school (he was paying off her 4 year degree already). The compromise was that she didn't have to work but she would do all of the household chores, take the kids to all appointments, get off his back about wanting $100 of his own discretionary money every month...She caved because the alternative for her was likely finding part time work at a grocery store or substitute teaching

Namedoesntmatter89 · 2023-09-24T19:05:43+00:00

To be honest, collectively, you are pulling 95 hours per week while raising kids and trying to maintain a hobby farm and house upkeep.

Maybe the issue here is that you are both overworked and might benefit from reducing your workload generally?

ForeignSmell · 2023-09-24T19:43:36+00:00

Need more context not gona lie. Marriage to some is 50-50 but in real life it's different. Maybe speak to your wife about this asking her to do more.

Top-Bumblebee8411 · 2023-09-24T23:55:12+00:00

More like a bag of salt. lol

Top-Bumblebee8411 · 2023-09-24T23:58:06+00:00

I think this is the most reasonable sub I have been on. And it’s the only place men get only a little bit of roasting not a lot.

Woman do alot more ya you suck cause you are a man. But gotta remember that most of those women are probably young and have not lived yet. Or feminists who think women are the most blessed thing on the planet.

Ok_Manufacturer738 · 2023-09-25T00:08:55+00:00

When men are criticized they usually sit by, let the convo continue incessantly and listen. When women are criticized, they immediately go REEE! At least the most outspoken ones

Ebonyarizonian · 2023-09-25T00:15:43+00:00

I can understand your frustration completely... Have you talked to her about all of this? It would drive me crazy If I weren't getting help with cleaning. I don't know the full dynamics of your relationship, each one is so complex, But I would sit her down and lay everything out and come up with some kind of balance. She may be frustrated about something and not vocalized it. Who knows but As a wife I'm the home manager so home should always be in order and the husband leading. If anything about the relationship order is out of whack it throws everything off

Mgtow_savage · 2023-09-25T08:21:27+00:00

How long did you know her before you got married? I feel like that’s a discussion you should have in depth and get on the same page with before proposing. Don’t understand how people nowadays can get engaged to someone they’ve known less than a year. Way too risky.

Stepan_icarus · 2023-09-25T12:18:04+00:00

Repost the exact same writeup in a month with genders flipped from a burner account and see the difference.

TheseSweetlnstincts · 2023-09-25T13:54:14+00:00

Never take dating/marriage advice from redditors. You sound like a good person and so does your wife. I'd just tell her that you think she could do a little more to help you out.

AnteaterEven · 2023-09-25T15:07:42+00:00

Men built the country then handed it over to women. Despite this men are treated as if they've done something wrong. The sooner you realize this reality the sooner you can accept it and go on living your life the best you can.

Don't turn to the general internet population for support, you will receive none.

Cuntplainer · 2023-09-25T16:30:41+00:00

Nope. It's girls' rules.

Notice all the license plates and money for women's cancer (breast cancer) and things that affect women, but nothing for men... despite the fact that men - on average - can expect to die 8 years earlier than women. Imagine if that statistic were reversed... oh the horror!

Key-Faithlessness144 · 2023-09-25T19:32:27+00:00

I try and stick with the roastme subreddit

Title	Wow, some western women live in a fantasy.
Author	Fancy_Still_9918
Upvotes	589
Comments	118
Date	September 23, 2023 9:21 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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